Don’t get RIPPED OFF!

so you didn't get a 30 80 like you hoped and if you're like a lot of people on my twitter feed you're you're saying you know what screw it i'll just buy a cheap use 2080 ti because there's a million of those up on ebay and might as well at least get something for my money well that got me thinking there's people out there that are going to prey on people like you so today we're going to arm you with the information you need to not get ripped off by that skeevy goiter stabber used parts guide trying to pull one over on you [Music] don't get goiter stabbed evga is proud to announce their all-new xr1 obs certified 4k capture card record at 1080p 60 while you game at 4k60 with hdr with advanced pass-through mode that allows you to switch to 144hz refresh rate at the press of a button meaning no longer do you need to disconnect or disable to get the full capabilities of your display to see the full list of capabilities and configurations click the evga link in the description below now we're not going to cover every single part you could possibly buy but we're going to cover the main components because those are going to be the most expensive things in your system so we're going to talk about motherboards both amd and intel graphics cards memory cpus what to look for now let's go and start off with the complete system that one should be pretty much a no-brainer this is going to be kind of like going to buy a used car and not taking it for a test drive we want to see it running you want to make sure that if they say it's got blah blah blah parts in it that you can go into windows and actually see all of those parts in action so you're going to want to check obviously the amount of ram you want to check the speed of the ram check the cpu the core count go into the bios and take a look there because you can't cheat in the bios pretty much it's going to tell you exactly what's identified during initialization and that should be pretty much a no-brainer if the person is like oh no it's already unhooked and already unpacked and stuff and they're not willing to plug it in and turn it on oh i don't have a monitor i'll bring my own monitor oh i don't know i mean we need to meet up at like a starbucks or something like starbucks has power plugs well maybe it's probably harder right now than than before i guess but there are ways and the more you find someone kind of pushing back against your desire to see it running and test it that's a deal worth walking away from even if they start blowing up your phone hey that's i promise it works so just i'll give you your money back if something don't ever trust that guy literally that's the guy that you just walk away from and say thanks have a nice day con someone else so having a complete system is probably the easiest way to make sure you don't get duped because of the fact that you can see it all running the challenge comes when you're buying individual parts now this is something that um when we were doing the scrapyard wars challenge with uh with linus tech and so luke and i were on a team versus um linus and dimitri from harvard canucks uh it's a it's a it's a major stress because of the fact that we're having to find the best deals we can and oftentimes the best deals are going to come from a couple of different scenarios people that are looking to upgrade their system and just get a quick return on the cost that they just spent so oftentimes you'll find someone like me i'm that person i i rarely try and get what something's actually worth i'm like what's it worth all right let's knock like 20 off of that and let's just move it quick and that's usually where it's a good score the problem is you're going to find a lot of people that are also selling cheap because there's something wrong with it and they want to unload it quickly and they don't want to be honest about it because if they're like hey one of these fans on the graphics cards don't turn although someone like me could actually probably fix that and or find another cooler to put on it or something the average consumer is probably not willing to do all that and he's not going to mention it you're going to get home and it's just not working so that's some of the risks involved when you buy individual parts that it's very difficult to test i am capable of putting together a system a test system that's just basic cpu ram memory motherboard graphics card cardboard box even power supply and be like okay if we're buying a graphics card do you care are you okay with me bringing a test system to plug it in and check it obviously that's a very safe way of testing components if you can bring something that you can then just plug the part in and test it most people don't have the ability to do that so let's go ahead and start with amd components because i feel like that's going to be kind of like the main i don't know if we've our react videos have taught us anything it's that i feel like amd systems right now are like nine to one over intel and so i figured that's where we'll look because there's a lot of people getting ready to sell their 3000 series cpus because 4000 series is being announced on october 7th a lot of those people also too might be running an older like b450 or 47d motherboard or whatever the chipset is and are looking to sell their motherboard cpus as a package so let's start with the cpu one thing you have to understand about intel is those are lga pin sets and what that means is the pins are located on the motherboard amd on the other hand is not and i forget what it's called phil do you remember what it's called when the pins are on the on the actual cpu it's not lga i can't remember doesn't matter it doesn't really matter all of the pins are located on the cpu so one of the things you're going to want to do is you want to take the cpu hold it up to some light and you're going to want to look exactly down the plane of the substrate this is the substrate the flat part that everything's attached to that's known as the substrate so you want to hold that horizontal to your vision and just kind of rotate it and you want to look for any pins that are bent and you can do this in both planes and look like turn it 90 and then do it again but anything that's bent will show up on any plane that you look at it actually any any direction and you want to look for any bent pins secondly you want to look at the top and look at any obvious signs of pins that have been restrained now although we have done a guide on here showing you how i use a razor blade to re-straighten bent pins the amount of people that have thanked me for that video because it's it saved them from what they thought was a dead cpu because they were weren't careful then they dropped it these things are like cats they always land face down pin side down and when that happens these are just tiny little pieces of gold and copper and it's very soft metal usually you can fix it and bend it back once and if you try it again they'll snap off the problem is if you straighten it back out although they'll make contact correctly inside of the socket they're never going to look perfectly uniform on top again so you want to look for signs of a cpu that has had pins restrained unfortunately i don't have any here to show you and i'm not going to bend some pins to bend back for the sake of the video but through the magic of google image search this is what a restraint ryzen or fx or amd any amd cpu with restraint pins looks like you can see it's not perfectly uniform like it is before there's any sort of damage to it there's no reason to believe it doesn't necessarily work if the pins are bent but you certainly are going to want to press to see it functioning and you certainly are going to want to haggle the price no matter what it is if the pins have been met now that brings us to amd motherboards which means there's a lot less that could go wrong with an amd motherboard versus an intel motherboard because of the fact that if you look at the cpu socket you can see that it's just nothing but a bunch of recessed holes because of the fact that the pins are on the cpu like we just showed you but things are going to want to check for with an amd motherboard does it have the retention clips a lot of amd motherboard coolers or cpu coolers remove these clips and use their own back plate and stuff but a lot of them still use this now this is something that people will often take off and just chuck in the trash because they're like i'm never gonna go back to a stock cooler that's stupid so they'll just throw them away or like me throw them in a bin and then lose them later and then need them and can't find them so if they're missing that retention bracket it's not a problem it just means you want to make sure that whatever cooler you get has its own self-contained retention system and then of course you're going to want to haggle the price a bit more if it's missing that you want to make sure that all of the pins inside the pci express are straight there's no sort of foreign debris in there there's no so when we've done our overclocking challenges and we've used paper towel like blue paper towel to stuff around areas to make it insulated so that if water drips it's caught every now and then i've accidentally gotten blue paper towel fibers down inside the socket and i was always able to get it out but it's also a risk in that sometimes if you're using something whether it be plastic or metal to try and pick that out you can accidentally bend a pin now that's not so much a problem because they are in guides but anything that looks abnormal out of place is cause for concern again it doesn't mean it won't work it gives you room to haggle on price and to be honest this video is kind of a two-parter in terms of the messaging here it's one how to not get screwed and two it's how to get a better deal the other things you want to check for obviously is that all of the surface mounted items pins are not bent or broken that's obviously going to be like the usb 3.0 pins these are ones that are notorious for getting bent that's this big rectangle guy on the bottom right here and i think yeah there's one on the side right there usb 3.0 plugs are tight there's a little notch that you need to use to line up when you plug it in but a lot of people don't pay attention to the direction of that sometimes and you can see that there's a pin missing in there in the top right corner of the bottom plug right here there's a pin missing so if you try and force that in upside down you can oftentimes crush the pin down here in the other corner where there would be the blank when you're pushing the thing down so you want to make sure that all of those are intact make sure your rgb header isn't bent and messed up same thing with your front panel connectors just you want to look at everything a lot of people will just focus on the main part like yep socket looks good all right let's go and then you go plug in your front panel connectors or whatever and there's literally broken off or missing now you're gonna be opening up your case pushing your surface mounted button if it has one to turn on your computer because you're just it's not going to be a fun time if you have to try and figure out a way to get your front panel connector working when there's a broken off pin you'd be surprised how many of these things get broken because when people are doing their cable management and stuff they're running cables through and it gets hooked on there and they pull the cable through from the backside and just wrench the crap out of that little header it happens i've done it before fortunately i've been able to bend them back without a problem which brings us to the next point make sure they're nice and straight and don't look like they're all curvy like a question mark because someone tried to restraighten it and then you're going to try and restrain it more and you're going to break it and they're going to be exactly what i just said so every now and then i've had some peripherals on older motherboards like bend the actual contact pin inside the usb and then it gets like smooshed back like that so instead of being flat it just kind of goes and i've had that happen before don't know how it's happened but i just every now and then like why won't this go in and i look and i'm like how the heck did that get bent fortunately most motherboards these days have lots of usb so if one takes a dive like that you have plenty to rely on but it's obviously something worth checking short of turning it on and seeing it work um you're always going to take a chance with the motherboard because things that you can't test without doing a full boot and a full post on it and putting it all the ram in there is whether or not all the dimm slots work whether or not all the pcie slots work and whether all the fan headers and all that sort of stuff work because things that you can't see without fully loading all the ram and stuff is whether or not you have a dead channel i've had brand new motherboards come with a single bad ram slot and the thing is you might put in two sticks of ram and then you find out it doesn't work when you put in four sticks around because it's a bad dim and then you're just not going to be happy if that's the case but these are things that you just are going to be taking a risk on because as i started to say with the older motherboards too a common dead thing on a motherboard is fan headers fan headers have been built beefier now than ever but i can tell you right now i have overloaded fan headers in the past before to where i like to daisy chain a bunch of fans and run them at full speed well there's a certain amperage rating to those fan headers and if you exceed that you can blow up the fan header where it doesn't work anymore or in my case it stopped being controllable the controller burned out on it by trying to run as much power as it needed to have eight fans daisy chained on a hub that i built now everything i just said for amd motherboards applies to intel motherboards it's just you're going to want to make sure that the actual socket on an intel motherboard has been protected has had its cover placed on when it's not used and it has no bent pins so we're going to move on to the last part of the motherboard conversation which is how was it stored if it's not obvious by now i keep the boxes for almost everything and that's because the way i when i'm done with it i put it back in its box now this is where you can tell the level of quality that you're getting by the way that they store their parts how are they presenting it to you are they just like here's a cardboard box and then they dump it out and parts go flying everywhere or is it repackaged in a way that it came from the factory so this x299 micro this was actually a part of a system that we built for pdx land back in like 2016 i think it was and that was when jerry came down and we did a little build off i already have to wonder why the heck i have a why do i have a heatsink floating around in here see i just asked myself a question why is there a heat sink floating around in here so that's obviously what you want to ask that guy why is there a heatsink floating around did this bounce and cause damage in there well fortunately this particular motherboard box has this protective tray um does it have the i o shield that sucks if you don't have it but it doesn't keep your system from working if you don't care because you can't see the backside anyway but if you know that usb 3.0 or blue and usb 2.0 or black and always black or usb 3.0 can be red depending on the motherboard um and you know the layout of your the color scheme anyways of the audio plugs and which lan ports what then you don't technically need it but it does give you a way to be like i'm knocking 10 bucks off the price here's the protective like foam that was on there here's the anti-static bag that's a big one is the motherboard just resting in there in a cardboard box with no anti-static bag and does it have the size this is so light compared to the things i've been that's right these are mounted down okay so things you want to check why is that loose i happen to know that there's a screw that goes through there that's part of the mounting mechanism for this case so that's why this screw is missing you can actually see if you look at the bottom right there phil zooms in on it the hole for that goes right through the mounting hole for the standoff so that's why that one is loose but as you can see we've got the mounting cover on there and we're gonna go ahead and pop this off and as you can see there's our socket what's interesting about this one is if you look carefully as i move it you can see there's a spot where they don't look damaged but it looks like something might have touched them now the thing is this is these are two motherboards that we use for a little build off for who could build the computer the fastest and it was versus jerry and i there were some questionable things jerry did so i don't know if this was his or mine i don't know why this is off by the way it's clearly not on right here but it honestly looks to me like it would still make contact like it needs to but if i saw this quite honestly as a as a used buyer i'm gonna be like you know i think i'm going to move along because the problem with bent pins on an intel motherboard is although they are very fixable it doesn't mean you're going to be able to fix it because the way the pins work on intel motherboards is their springs they they kind of go up and then they're like a hook and then when the cpu goes down it pushes the hook down and then it makes a good contact with certain pressure against the pins if they're bent it might not contact where it needs to it might contact in between the little pads on the cpu so this would be a good example of a motherboard to maybe walk away from and now that i know that those are bent i'm going to sort of just push this out of the way over here we're going to write that one off as questionable needs to be tested let's talk about intel cpu since we've kind of made the roundabout discussion from amd to intel because the pins are located on the cpu or on the motherboard not the cpu you can see these are the contact pads at the bottom of the substrate and you can see that they're very close together and there's very little space between them and as such if those pins are not lined up it means that your cpu might look like it doesn't work but it's really the motherboard now other things you want to look at is a cpu um stock what i mean by that is can you still read the numbers on it a lot of times people will lap their cpus and what that means is you take a piece of glass which is perfectly flat you take sandpaper and you sand this down to where it's perfectly flat because every single ihs or the heat spreader on top of an intel cpu is either concaved or dished concave to dish the same thing or domed there we go concaved or domed they're never perfectly flat and that's just the nature of the way that they're assembled very rarely does it make any sort of a difference to anyone using their computer in a traditional way when we're doing major overclocking we need the best cooling we could possibly get therefore we lap them that does two things one it modifies the cpu so if this were still under a manufacturer's warranty you're not going to get it warrantied if something goes wrong with it and it's left two it removes the markings so if you can't turn it on to verify it is whatever cpu they're saying it is you've got to take their word for it now i'd like to think everyone's honest but i don't so if i can't see this running and i can't see a bios that says what it is and how many cores and threads are working then i'm not going to buy the cpu the other thing is you want to check for any obvious signs of water damage the bottom right here if this sees water will start to discolor this is a nice green with a very gold shine to it now there are areas that look dark around the corners that's simply because the pad is smaller so it looks like there's dark spots on there but it's not that's just because those particular pin pads are smaller than the ones next to them for whatever reason it's just the way it is but what you want to look for is any discoloration is there what looks like a bed piece stain on here it's the best way to describe it it really just becomes an odd shape discoloration and that means water pooled in here which could mean it's dead it doesn't mean it's dead necessarily phil and i during our major overclocking competitions have had moisture build up to the point to where it literally created a lake inside the socket the bottom of my 9980xe has sat submerged in water that killed a cpu because i heated up the cpu too much when bringing the system back up to room temp before turning it off you don't want to just turn it off frozen but i misunderstood vince's from from kingpin or evga's vince you know kingpin telling me to turn off the system when you get to about negative 20. i just saw 20. so i rose the system up to 20 which means all the frost turned to water it pulled inside the cpu socket killed the motherboard i thought i killed the cpu when i took it out and it just dripped water everywhere i went well another one bites the dust i'll be damned to the cpu didn't work continue to get us records and is now what's running nebula with all the ugly piece stain discoloration on the bottom because it's also satin puddles of acetone when we were doing or liquid no dry ice overclocking it doesn't mean it's bad but you need to see it working memory pretty simple are all of the pins intact are any of the pins damaged does any of them look scratched or like they've been see these pins the way they work is is you've got the substrate again and then the pins just hook over it and then they're basically crimped and adhesive down and then these pins just make a path trace back to the to the mother or the motherboard the pcb on here and then they make communication where they need to so the pins are very capable of sometimes getting caught uh not in the motherboard but just if you're not careful because you can see right well i guess you can't really see too well these gold contacts just meet a trace that's on the pcb and they're very close together so if one gets damaged and it's touching the pin next to it then it's very possible for it to create a short fill and i've also had some ram arrive that had a sticker like a clear sticker on some of the pins we have no idea what that was all about but you want to check for things that just seem odd like that um short of turning it on and seeing it work at its advertised speeds again it's a risky take if you can't turn it on and see it working nothing says you can't bring your own tower and be like can i throw this memory in my tower to test it before i buy it if the buyer has nothing to hide they'll never say no i mean i i know about you i'm comfortable when i go to sell something and i'm saying hey this is what it is and the guy goes i'm going to bring a tower can i test it by all means because it work if it leaves working and i see it working and you see it working there is no foot to fall back on saying you sold me something that was bad let's talk about coolers i personally do not recommend buying used aios go buy a new one period with the way aios can i can't remember what the actual science term is called but the evaporation that happens through the tubes the bottom line is every aio evaporates something over time and that creates percolation aeration and bubbles that are going to form obviously inside the loop there's no unless it's like brand new in packaging and the guy changed his mind and wants to go with something else and it's trying to recoup some costs offer him about 70 of what the sticker or the msrp currently being sold is or whatever the current pricing is and walk away with a bargain if it's still sealed yes people can re-shrink wrap things but you'll know if it's been mounted if the pre-applied paste is still on the aio which they all have you got to win but when it comes to air coolers there's various things you want to look for basically just make sure all the mounting hardware is there make sure that they didn't mount it to a you know an intel system and then they through they lost the screws and they give you the amd ones you can buy a new mounting mechanism from the manufacturer but what you want to look for is what does the surface of the mounting area look like again was it lapped uh does it have scratches and gouges in it if they were just tossing this in a used parts box and it gets scratched and gouged on the section that's going to be touching your ihs on your cpu well we just talked about what a very minor change to the flatness of it can do in terms of cooling imagine what a big gap or gouge is going to do for temperature sure it can be filled in with thermal paste but the thicker the thermal paste the less the transfer if it looks good and shiny like this guy right here you can still see the machining marks in there all pretty and stuff then you're pretty much good to go there's some other things you can look for like the cerakote on here or ceramic coat you can see it's a little scratched right here these are things that aren't going to matter that's superficial that's probably just from the when i was putting it i don't know how to scratch it right there but if you take a look at the mounting surface again you can see around the edges right here there's what appears to be a little bit of scratching that's actually overhang on the particular cpus that we use this on this was used on like a standard mainstream cpu if you're using on an extreme cpu or x series then that area will touch the cpu but again on the very edges like that it's really not that big of a deal can't feel it with my fingernail those are just very minor i wouldn't worry about those any big scratches in there i would worry about lastly let's talk about graphics cards i know it's the way i started this video so of course we're going to end it with the thing you wanted most because viewer retention these are the these are the ones that you definitely are going to want to test and the thing with graphics cards is with the way they've been leveraged over the last few years in terms of cryptocurrency mining which is less of a thing today know yes cryptocurrency miners are obviously still out there doing their thing but with the invention of asics designed specifically to mine the type of currency that they're mining have really taken the load off of gpus and put them onto those specific asics you can buy which are way faster than a gpu when they're designed to do the instruction specific to your currency so fortunately that means that our graphics cards are no longer really being sold in massive quantities to those people but those people who've now moved from asics to or from gpus to a6 are now selling their gpus the problem with buying a car that's potentially been mined on is the fact that you don't know the load that card lived at so oftentimes bitcoin mining or cryptocurrency miners want to find the most efficient power range at which to run the card that they don't exceed their roi in terms of their cost of electricity a lot of people are running big solar systems and stuff to power them so they might be running them at full tilt all day every day they might be only running at 50 60 percent every day which then really at the end depending how much you gain is less of a load than gaming the bottom line is it's running on and non-stop regardless of the situation which does eventually degrade the card cryptocurrency mining has made a lot of people very afraid to buy used graphics cards fortunately if you're looking at buying a graphics card that was built let's say from pascal or newer the likelihood of it being a cryptocurrency mining card is very low a lot of people actually used amd cards to do cryptocurrency mining because they were just simply better at the hash rate to get more roi and a much cheaper card so if you have a card like amd like the rx 480 which was a mining monster um cost you know 350 bucks 400 bucks and they were able to run that thing for years then they're not going to go to a more expensive nvidia card to make less money with a lesser hash rate or lesser hash rate making less less hash browns so i'd feel pretty confident in buying an nvidia graphics card as it wasn't necessarily a cryptocurrency miner now there's some things you're going to want to look for here do the fans work if they've got a graphics card for sale and they're upgrading their card there's no reason whatsoever they can't show it working in their system at the very least have them take a video of it running in their system and this applies to any of the components here today have them take a video if it running in their system then have them in the in a single take take that card out of the system and show the serial number on the card then when they show up with that card you can see the serial number matches they can't pull the serial number sticker off these cards they're cut in such a way so if you go to pull it off half the sticker stays on the card if they try and pull a quick one on you they're not gonna be able to do it so it's just an extra level of precaution if it's something the buyer is willing to go through for you they're serious about selling the card and they're more than likely being honest the other thing you're going to want to look for and this is a very um it's controversial because it's actually illegal to do this in the united states and that is to void warranty for servicing something yourself for instance both this evga card and this msi card have stickers on here that are designed to let the manufacturer know if the card has been opened up or or tampered with or disassembled the problem here is whether or not that sticker says warranty void if removed now this msi card specifically says warranty void if removed and it's a sticker right over one of the four screws holding down the cooler on the uh the pcb right here what the [ __ ] is going on outside there's a crossfit gym a couple doors down that they're in the alley right now doing tractor tire flips i should probably get myself out there i could probably but okay if we look at this sticker right here from evga it's covering one of the backplate screws it doesn't say warranty void if removed that's where the the issue becomes the reason why i'm even talking about this is because if these stickers have been punctured that's what they're designed to do they cover a screw you can't pull the sticker off for the same reason i said for the actual um serial number but if that sticks that stick shirt if that sticker's been punctured you at least as the buyer know this card has come apart then ask them if i see that you've uh taken this card apart why uh they start stumbling over their words then start to be more questionable why okay what was the problem did you fix it let's see it working if he was like i wanted to put better thermal paste in here and it worked it actually came down blah blah degrees and you saw a video of it working or whatever i would be perfectly fine with buying that card most of mine had been taken apart in fact phil noticed that the actual um part number sticker here with the serial number says warranty void if removed that's for obvious reasons you're trying to do some you're trying to apply it to something else or whatever um so i know this video's been a little bit longer but the the thing you should take away from all of this is there are some great deals to be had in the used market in fact we've already talked about it we've got stuff here that we need to get rid of because it's taking up space it's no longer relevant to our content and that needs to go and i can tell you right now almost everything i have here has been used and experimented with in some way but before i sell anything i do full testing of it all to make sure it all works i come up with a fair price and then i'm firm on that price if someone's firm on their price then you can probably feel comfortable as well of the fact that it's probably going to work as advertised but like anything electronic failure is a part of it failure happens to all of these parts if they run long enough but that failure is more than likely not going to happen in the time frame in which you're going to own it because we're finding parts that are running 10 plus years now the the manufacturing quality is way better than it's ever been you're getting longer life out of these parts but i think the major takeaway is see it working if you can if they're like well it's not i don't have a system right now to test it i sold all the parts i'll bring my own system let's do it and if they really don't want to see you test it walk away from that and find something else as good as the deal might seem how are you going to feel if you spent 500 on a 2080 ti just to find out the guy tried to put a water block on it broke off a transistor and super glued it back on uh oh the other thing i would obviously recommend is if you're buying off craigslist or whatever you're it's very difficult to find anyone with any sort of a buyer rating or score but if you're buying off ebay what's that person's history do they have a good history or do they have some neutrals and negatives in the past six months or a year if i see those i immediately become a little bit skeptical of okay why is this guy negative why does he have five negatives in the last 12 months i don't care if you sold a thousand things why do you have five negatives most forums now have a buyer feedback system or at least a thread that people will be like here's my feedback thread leave feedback here or they'll even have like uh heatware i think it's called heatware which is a site you can go to and leave transactions based on any form i've got a heatware there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to buy used parts get a good deal and not get ripped off so what's your best advice for somebody buying used parts is it sit there and flip a tire at an alley when someone's trying to make a video or is it just use common sense comment down below with your best buying guide for or suggestion anyway for those buying used parts and with the 3080 availability i think the people selling used graphics cards right now just got a little bit of extra sales power if you will if you're selling them for 500 i guarantee you they're 600 now all right guys thanks for watching as always we'll see you in the next one i'm gonna go put some cards up for 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Length: 30min 59sec (1859 seconds)

Published: Mon Sep 21 2020