PERHAPS THINGS NEED TO BE DECLASSIFIED IN A MORE TRANSPARENT AND FAST FASHION THAN THEY ARE. GUYS, THANKS SO MUCH. WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE TARGETED FOR YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS BY THE FULL FORCE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? WE'LL ASK THE MAN, DeSOUZA. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. THIS PARDON HAS SET OFF A FIRESTORM OF FREAKOUTS AMONG PEOPLE ON THE LEFT. AND TODAY WE HAD AN ESPECIALLY BIG FREAKOUT FROM A FORMER OBAMA U.S. ATTORNEY ON MSNBC THIS MORNING. LET'S WATCH. >> IT CONCERNS ME NOT ONLY IS HE VIOLATING THE NORMS OF NOT GOING THROUGH THAT NORMAL PROCESS, BUT IS HE PAINTING A NARRATIVE THAT SENSITIZES THE PUBLIC THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS OFTEN UNFAIR TO PEOPLE. WHICH I THINK HAS LONG-TERM DAMAGING CONSEQUENCES TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. >> THE LEFT HAS FREAKED OUT MORE OVER MY PARDON THAN MAYBE ANY OTHER. I WAS WATCHING SOMETHING ON CNN, I THINK IT WAS EARLIER TODAY, OR YESTERDAY, THESE THINGS BECOME A BLUR, AND THEY WERE SAYING HOW DANGEROUS IT IS THAT I GOT THIS PARDON. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT, AND IT OCCURRED TO ME, I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AT. IT'S DANGEROUS TO THEM. IT'S DANGEROUS TO THEIR IDEOLOGY, AND DANGEROUS IN A WAY THAT OTHER PARDONS -- THINK OF THE CLINTON PARDON OF MARK RICH. YOU'VE GOT A GUY HERE WHO'S AN INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADER AND POSSIBLY A TAX FRAUD, INVOLVED IN ALL KINDS OF RACKETS. BUT HE'S NOT DANGEROUS TO THE IDEOLOGY AT CNN. IN FACT, HE HELPS TO SUPPORT PROGRESSIVE CAUSES, HE GIVES MONEY TO THE CLINTON FOUNDATION. I, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A NONWHITE IMMIGRANT WHO CAME TO AMERICA WITH $500 IN MY POCKET. AND I'VE BEEN EXPOSING THE WHOLE PROGRESSIVE IDEOLOGY. SO I'M DANGEROUS IN THAT WAY. THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. >> Laura: JOHN AVALON ON CNN TODAY WAS, AGAIN, THE MEDIA, THE DEMOCRATS, THE NEVER-TRUMPERS, THEY'RE ALL QUESTIONING WHY THIS OCCURRED. AND LET'S WATCH. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? >> I THINK YOU SEE THIS AS THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY MEANS A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD. THIS IS ALSO WHO'S BEEN A SELF-STYLED CONSERVATIVE INTELLECTUAL WHO HAS BEEN A TWITTER TROLL FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME RIGHT NOW, APPEALING TO ALL THE WORST INSTINCTS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES. >> I'VE NEVER ALLEGED ANY CONSPIRACY OF ANYONE. WHAT I'VE DONE IS EXPOSED THE SORDID HISTORY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, A HISTORY THAT ACTUALLY CONTINUES TO THE PRESENT. I'VE ALSO EXPOSED A LOT ABOUT OBAMA. OBAMA WOULD NOT HAVE INDICTED ME IF I DIDN'T MAKE A FILM THAT DEEPLY UPSET HIM. I DIDN'T JUST GO AGAINST HIS IDEOLOGY, I KIND OF GOT INTO HIS HEAD. AND SOMETIMES WHEN I SPEAK ON CAMPUS, PEOPLE GO, WELL, GEE, DIN ESH, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK OBAMA SAW YOUR DUMB MOVIE OR CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THE REASON I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE HE WAS ATTACKING ME ON HIS PERSONAL WEBSITE BARACKOBAMA.COM. THERE YOU GO. THIS IS A NARCISSISTIC PRESIDENT WHO RECRUITED ERIC HOLDER TO CARRY HIS WATER FOR HIM, TO GO AFTER ME. >> Laura: CNN SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY, DINESH. THEIR POINT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, AND PEOPLE LIKE ME, WE'RE ALT-RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT A CONSERVATIVE AND YOU'RE NOT WINNING IN THE ARENA OF IDEAS, YOU'RE ALT-RIGHT, OR YOU'RE XENOPHOBIC, AND I LOVE IT WHEN THEY CALL YOU RACIST, THAT'S ALWAYS FUN. IT'S A WAY TO AVOID AN ARGUMENT, A DEBATE. WE SAW THIS GOING BACK TO COLLEGE, DINESH AND I WENT TO DARTMOUTH COLLEGE TOGETHER, WAY BACK BEFORE THEY CALLED IT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. THEY WERE TRYING TO AVOID THE FUNDAMENTAL DEBATE ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION, HOW OFF-TRACK THEY HAVE BEEN ON SO MANY ISSUES, THE DECLINE OF TRUE INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT AND DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT. THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT DEBATE, THEY WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE DEBATE IN LINE WITH, FRANKLY, WANTING TO SHUT YOU DOWN, OR THIS SHOW. >> HERE'S A TINY DETAIL ABOUT MY CASE THAT'S SO REVEALING. THIS CLINTON APPOINTEE JUDGE WHO ADJUDICATED THE CASE, SAYING THERE'S NO POLITICAL TARGETING HERE, AS PART OF MY SENTENCE HE SENTENCES ME TO MANDATORY PSYCHIATRIC COUNSELING. LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE. WHAT ABOUT MY CASE? HERE I'VE GIVEN TOO MUCH MONEY, MY OWN MONEY, TO A CANDIDATE, A COLLEGE FRIEND OF MINE RUNNING DAHMER. I DIDN'T PUT BODIES IN THE REFRIGERATOR. WHY DO I NEED PSYCHIATRIC COUNSELING? IF NOT THAT IT'S THE PROGRESSIVE VIEW THAT I'M NOT JUST WRONG, BUT I'M SOMEHOW CRAZY? THAT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM REQUIRE NOT PERSUASION, BUT THERAPY. AND SO THIS IS THE KIND OF REEDUCATION PROJECT THAT WAS ATTEMPTED ON ME, AND FINALLY THE JUDGE BECAME SUPER FRUSTRATED AND THREW UP HIS HANDS AND BASICALLY SAID THE REEDUCATION HAS FAILED, THIS MAN CANNOT BE PSYCHOLOGICALLY REHABILITATED, WHICH I TOOK AS A GREAT COMPLIMENT. >> Laura: MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT YOU UP ON THE RACK, AND WATERBOARDED YOU. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ENHANCED INTERROGATION THEY WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED ON THE LEFT. I ALSO WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT BY STEVE BANNON, FEATURED TONIGHT ON CNN. HE SEEMS TO BE REENTERING THE PUBLIC ARENA, HE'S BEEN OVER THERE IN ITALY, MAYBE WORKING ON THAT POPULOUS MOVEMENT OVER THERE. HE SAID THIS ABOUT THE MULLER INVESTIGATION. >> I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT -- I SAID, DON'T FIRE COMEY. I'VE SAID, HE'S A COMBAT PLA REIN. THAT OUGHT TO PLAY OUT AS IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF IT. I WILL SAY THAT ACTUALLY MUELLER WAS THE HEAD OF THE FBI WHEN MY CASE FIRST SURFACED. AND THE CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TRYING FOR A WHILE TO GET MY FBI FILE, AND COULDN'T. AND THEN FINALLY THEY GOT IT REDACTED, BUT IN IT, IT IDENTIFIES ME AS A PROMINENT CRITIC OF OBAMA. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY INTERESTING, BECAUSE WHY IS THAT IN MY FILE? IF THIS IS A CASE OF LADY JUSTICE BEING BLIND, INVESTIGATING A CAMPAIGN VIOLATION, WHY HIGHLIGHT MY POLITICS. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE MUELLER FBI IS SIGNALING TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE HOLDER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, HERE IS A GUY WHO'S ONE OF YOUR POLITICAL ENEMIES, HERE IS A GUY YOU MAY WANT TO GO AFTER. THIS IS WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE LIKE ME DANGEROUS TO THEM. THIS IS WHY I'M NOT AN ORDINARY CONSERVATIVE, BUT SOMEBODY WHO ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE LOCKED UP. >> Laura: WELL, THEY'VE SEEN, AND THEY'VE TRIED TO SILENCE CONSERVATIVES BEFORE. AGAIN, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO COLLEGE CAMPUSES. THEY SHUT DOWN SPEAKERS. YOU'VE HAD PROBLEMS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES. OBVIOUSLY ANN COULTER, WE'LL TALK TO HER IN A SHORT WHILE, SHE'S HAD PROBLEMS. EVEN BEING ABLE TO SPEAK, PHYSICALLY BEING ALLOWED TO SPEAK AND PARTICIPATE. NOW IN THE OBAMA ERA, DINESH, THAT WAS USED AS A TACTIC, INTIMIDATION, FOLLOWING FOX NEWS REPORTER CHERYL ATKINSON, HER COMPUTER WAS BROKEN INTO. THESE ARE INTIMIDATION TACTICS THAT GO BEYOND THE STUFF THAT WE'D NORMALLY THINK OF. WE TALK ABOUT RUSSIA, BUT THEY'RE ADOPTING THE TACTICS OF THE OLD SOVIET UNION. >> THERE'S A DEEP LEVEL OF LYING AND DECEPTION THAT GOES ON HERE. YOU KNOW THAT BOTH OBAMA AND HILLARY WERE THE DISCIPLES OF SOLYNNSKY. >> Laura: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS IT'S MOVING FARTHER AND FARTHER LEFTWARD? >> TO ME, THE PARTY IS IN MANY RESPECTS ROTTEN TO THE CORE. AND WHAT'S REALLY HOLDING IT UP IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF, BUT BUT ITS OWN WEIGHT IT WOULD COLLAPSE. IT'S SUSTAINED BY A KIND OF OUTSIDE ALLIANCE INVOLVING PEOPLE IN ACADEMIA, THE LEFT IN THE MEDIA, AND THE LEFT IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. THE LEFT CONTROLS THESE THREE MEGAPHONES OF OUR CULTURE, AND THEY CAN PUT OUT LIES AND DISINFORMATION AS LONG AS THAT CONTINUES. THEY'RE WHAT'S HOLDING UP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE THE COVER-UP ARTISTS FOR THIS PARTY.
