David Whyte - A Wellbeing Series for Changemakers

good morning Aaron this good morning from my part of the world welcome and so we've invited people to check into the call just by sharing it from a chat where they're dialing in from how they're feeling it's a group that spread out around the world and they're people still arriving and so you're getting a bit of a sense of our global community as we go through this time together today we're really excited to have you with us you're following Sharon Salzberg and Peter and Parker Palmer who have been absolutely wonderful in hosting us in reflection over the past two weeks so thank you for bringing us the gift of poetry at a moment that's not an easy moment for all of us and in the world more generally for us after the kind of sessions that we had with Parker and would share and we thought it was important to also breathe in other threads of what's important in this world this moment and poetry felt like something important the arts feel like something important in that they can transport us nourish us and allow us perhaps to perceive in ways that go beyond our intellect and so we're glad to turn this over to David there's a lot of your fans actually in the session with us today and people that were very excited about spending a little bit of time with you so David maybe with that I can pass it over to you okay thank you Aaron in Paris I know that you're all in various places in the world probably confined we're all in our little hermit ages or sometimes prisons depending on on how we're feeling about them and you know it's a it's quite a remarkable time when the world stops around us and many of the ways we participate in that world stop and it's it's interesting to think that it's actually part of a very ancient understanding in our spiritual and artistic traditions the necessity of stopping that conversation on the outside or having it stopped for us yeah so we're having we're having a societal conversation stopped right now but every one of us is having a personal conversation stopped the way we do our work the way we were able to walk around and rub up against the world and be in crowds of other people and travel all of those things are temporarily stopped and we're in a time where we actually don't know how it will start again so this is a this is a magnified representation and physical experience of something that's well marked in our all of our great traditions yes so there are there are there's a lot of understanding about about what you can do that's good for you and for your world when the world stops around you I've been I've been working for many decades on the whole phenomenology of conversation and in other words phenomenology is just a very fancy philosophical way of saying what happens along the way when you try to have a real conversation and I'm writing that book at the moment actually and but I always say that the first step in a courageous conversation is to stop having the one you're having now not to ameliorate it not to reorganize it not to re-strategize it but just to actually stop it dead yeah and and this is almost always because not because there's anything wrong with in a way with the particular conversation we're holding it's just that it's at the periphery it's that the edge and the yeah and the understanding is to stop the peripheral conversation to drop down to this other horizon when you think about it other human beings always work in the conversation between an external horizon which is certainly being closed down for us at the moment and an internal horizon inside the human body and inside the human imagination and the pilgrim the ancient pilgrim journey whether you believe in religion or not is holding the conversation between this interior horizon and the one that seems to be represented on the outside but of course were biased towards the horizon outside and the horizon insiders can be actually quite disturbing to drop down to because why because the horizon is inside what I call our wounded bodies and in order to drop down to that interior horizon you have to drop down into all the ways that your you have refused to have certain forms of exchange so I often think that every human being has the right to say I I really you know whether you believe in God or not the internal conversation often goes listen God if this is a conversation you want me to have I'm not going to have it it's too difficult it's too traumatic it's too vulnerable I'm going to create an abstracted conversation in which my body and my sense of self is not implicated here and the interesting thing is is that we can turn even what was the most heartfelt endeavor in the outer world into an abstract something we keep at a distance even as we're doing the work because it actually touches our physical vulnerability it touches sense of self in the world so first of all I just wanted to begin with their morning permits morning where I am I know for many of you sometimes it's some some of you it's the early it's before dawn some of you it's the evening if you're in Paris like Aaron but this is a morning palm because I often think that waking into the morning when you first open your eyes it's a discipline in and of itself and this poem was originally called Easter morning but it's I know I just call it blessing for the morning light blessing for the morning light and it's out of the Irish tradition of blessing where you wish something good for someone else yeah my mother was Irish and and the interesting the genius thing about a real blessing is not just wishing something for someone else that's good for them but as my mother used to say it's wishing something for them that they did not even know they needed themselves but when they hear it they recognize it and that's the best kind of blessing of all yeah so it's interesting to think that if you can if you could wish a good blessing for a friend or someone who you know that they don't recognize they need and that is an art form in and of itself then you could actually wish yourself a blessing and you could say that this is the art of poetry often say poetry is the art of overhearing yourself say things you didn't know you knew about in a world and quite often didn't want to know to begin with guess is too disturbing but to be able to wish yourself a blessing so this is a in a sense wishing myself a blessing for the morning light but also wishing everyone else it at the same time blessing for the morning light the blessing of the morning light to you may it find you evening your invisible appearances may you be seemed to have written from some other place you know and have known in the darkness and that carries all you need may you see what is hidden in you as a place of hospitality and shadowed sheltered and shadowed shelter may you see what is hidden in you as a place of hospitality and shadowed shelter may what is hidden in you become your gift to give may you hold that shadow to the light and the Silence of that shelter to the word of the light may you join every previous disappearance whether this new appearance this being seen again new and newly alive the blessing of the morning light to you the blessing of the morning light to you may it find you even in your invisible appearances may you be seen to have risen from some other place you know and have known in the darkness and that carries all you need may you see what is hidden in you as a gift to give may you hold that shadow to the lights and the Silence of that shelter to the word of the light may you join every previous disappearance to this new appearance this being seen again new and newly alive so there one of the intriguing lines in that poem and I often think if you've written a decent poem a good poem it should be just as surprising to you as it is to the reader and as I say the act of overhearing yourself say things you didn't know you knew about the world but you didn't know them already you just hadn't said them you hadn't dropped down to that part of you that's actually lives at the center of the pattern and in the writing of portrait it's a very physical act of dropping down to this center of the pattern that knows how the pattern is about to precipitate so this was a very intriguing line may it find you even in your invisible appearances when you think about it every new appearance in the human life is always first experienced as a potentiality or a seed it's not fully manifest in the world you're just getting the first emanation of it and you have to be able to recognize what is growing your own body what is real for you and what is becoming more real so the ability to converse and meet with what is not quite young yet visible in the world and I think this is very very important I mean all of you are are activists in the world literally you're active in the world so and your world has been that active world in in some ways has been taken away from you except through zoom but the ability ability to have that conversation stopped you suddenly are in conversation with what is invisible inside yourself about to become visible the ability to drop down into the body and hold a conversation with it when that conversation is not fully formed when what it's saying to you and what the center inside your body is saying to you is not fully understood as yet here the ability to work with the unknown and I often say the corollary or the second step that naturally comes from stopping the conversation on the outside is the necessity of holding a conversation with the unknown so immediately when this outer peripheral active conversation is taken away from us with then put into a relationship with the invisible and with the unknown and the great and difficult question is what is my relationship to the unknown do I have any relationship at all to it or is my life my active life on the outside mostly involved with eliminating the unknown as much as possible in keeping control over circumstances in naming things and I often think that as human beings were constantly naming things too early in a love relationship where we name the love in there far too early before it's matured into the pilgrim destination that we didn't know we were setting off on and it's in the first place we're constantly naming other people's powers and how they are it's a way of keeping control and then we're constantly naming ourselves in ways that are far too small for ourselves so the ability to be present to physically dwell in your body without knowing with a proper relationship with the unknown this is this is really important here and the last line in the poem the last lines perhaps are even more intriguing may you join every previous disappearance with this new appearance this new morning this being seen again new a newly alive may you join every previous disappearance with this new appearance this being seen again new and newly alive I mean when you look back on your life isn't it amazing all the times you've disappeared here where your life seemed as it made sense seemed to come to an end and and then you had to reimagine and reappear in the world again but it's interesting to think that we have a we have a relationship with all the previous people that we've ever been all the previous people that seem to have to disappear so it's really interesting to think about who's disappearing now inside you the person you are in your thirties is not the person you were in your twenties the person you were in your twenties is not the person you were in your adolescence or your team so what's about to come into being but also them the more difficult question is quite often whose disappearing now who do I have to let go of the name I've given myself the way of being in the world I've I've had here and can I do well in the unknown where my new name is not quite being spoken yet my new way of being in the world and sometimes you know we if we're if we have some kind of spiritual or meditative practice we can actually learn to start that conversation ourselves there if we have no relationship with our interior person then often the conversation gets stopped involuntary on the outside and you get plunged into this darkness in a way in which you don't feel as if you've participated in the entrance there are great lines in Italian if we have any Italian Serie of all Italians know the first lines of dentist comedian which Nelnet so del camión de nostradame de nostra Vita merely through Vai para una salvo hora que la vie Rita Veera eres Morita in the middle of the road of my life I have walked in a dark wood where the true way was wholly lost ya Nelnet so in the middle of everything it's a very physical line in the Tuscan dialect that he wrote which was just a dialect them and Tuscan only became Italian because don t made it so beautiful that the rest of the Italian peninsula wanted to learn Tuscan so that they could read antic meditate he starts in the body Nelnet saw in the middle of everything you don't know how you got to this place you don't know who's to blame you don't know why you're just here your conversation has been stopped there's no other place to start except this place Nelnet saw in the middle of everything now myths or don't come in this is a beautiful word new Italians the same word in Spanish Camino El Camino the way yeah and it's beautiful like the word way in English because it it's not only the way that you go but the way that you are when you go here now let's add El Camino middle of the road and my life merely through vai and this is a gorgeous word - in Tuscan Italian I came back to myself I awoke I came back to the way I came back to myself I welcomed myself back into this body even though I was in a really difficult place even though Danny had experienced a terrible trauma of being of being expelled from the city that he loved and told that he could never return the only place he could start was in his physical body in this place and it's interesting that Danty chose not to write in Latin I mean he wrote this in 1300 ad and if you wanted to speak to any other educated person in in Europe at that time you wrote in Latin because no one most people didn't understand French if they were in England most people didn't understand English if they were in France most people didn't certainly didn't understand Italian if they were in if they were in Germany so you wrote in Latin so that everyone could understand you but Dante literally started in his physical body by writing this great epic in his local dialect in Tuscan it was a radical act but it's literally as mother tongue it's his place of origin it's the language he first learned with his own body and no other body so very radical act a radical act that brought him back to himself but also was the foundation for the future Italian language it's incredible so he brought this internal horizon and this outer horizon to gathering in what in the first stanza of this piece now mats Adele comedian author Amita mere a throw by I came back to myself that when a silver scorer in a dark wood gala theater via era swearing to where the true way was wholly lost this is really powerful line is saying the only way I can actually have this conversation is with the unspoken and the unknown if I try to gather our work together all everything that I know already and all the names I've given to anything it won't make it I will just be in my old world and I will be in my old defensive world blaming everyone for why I'm in this predicament of Exile and not being able to go home so the first you know the first possibility when we experienced trauma is is is to feel incredibly disappointed here and to look and to you know one of the ways that we deal with trauma is to pretend that it's not happened yeah so all of us are in our in our societies at the moment traumatized yeah all of us are feeling grief consciously or unconsciously here and the great question is you know will you come to ground in that trauma and in that grief will you feel what your body feels the first patient is always to say this is not happening this has not happened and to create your life being corroborated with all the names you had previously don t could have done that he had a retinue of servants so he could have had them address him it with his honorific yeah and he could have kept he literally could have kept a physical bubble around him in which he was kept in the manor and in the hierarchy that he inhabited when he was in the city of Florence but don t he didn't do that he didn't say this has not happened happened here the second temptation in trauma is that what has occurred is so disappointing my work my well-being my relationships my ability to walk out to the local bar and get a tapas you know is gone and is to be existentially disappointed in the world and to actually begin to shape an identity around disappointment and eventually shaping an identity around disappointment always creates the identity of the cynic so after a while I start hunting down further disappointment to corroborate my previous disappointment so first possibility this is not happening and I'm going to act as if it's not happening I'm just going to try and carry on in the old way second possibility what has occurred in my life is so disappointing that the whole of life must be just made up of disappointment here and then the third possibility that Dante took is that you just look life straight in the eyes there and you dwell in your body exactly where your body is now with everything that it's feeling you walk into this 100 buddy you sit into this wounded body you pray and this wounded buddy you walk into this wounded body and that's and that's when you write the first lines of the commedia Nelnet saw in the middle of Nelnet so they'll come in dear after Rita miracle by Perona salvos Cora Kayla did it via Alice Mary Theresa this is waking and to know in a way he's saying you know one day I just had to stop telling the old story why it had been true once but it wasn't true now yeah and when I stopped telling that story everything seemed to go dark but in that darkness there was a small narrow place onto which I could step and from which I could step into my new life so this is this you know this is a very very powerful moment the the willingness to step towards this inner dark horizon that set inside us here that is the physical body and not to be afraid of it it's not Billa it's not long before before don t gets a hand of of help in that darkness you know but to begin with you've just got to converse with the body with the darkness with that internal horizon on its own terms there's a beautiful lines by a 17th century Welsh mystic his name was Henry Vaughan and he called this interior horizon a deep but dazzling darkness a deep that dazzling darkness just a beautiful line in English it's deep because its foundational but it's dazzling because it's hard to get below to begin with it just reflects all your surface personality and most especially all your surface flaws and difficulties fear you have to settle in the silence you have to sit down you know I've spent I spent many years of my life sitting in Zen meditation retreats and the first if you do a five-day session retreat you know the first two days are really uncomfortable for everyone and everyone shuffling everyone can't get comfortable and you can feel the tension and stress in the room and it's this settling in to its the outer conversation being stopped and this settling into the body which is which has become an unfamiliar horizon here so this is a piece I wrote it's called sweet darkness and in many ways it's a hymn to that horizon it's a praise poem to to the other more unfamiliar line across which we have to go inside ourselves here so what all our outer pilgrim journeys are stopped at certain times in our life suddenly we have to approach this interior horizon here I'd wrote this piece I was writing a book called the house belonging and many years ago and I was writing at a desk on the top of some stairs with a window by the souther a beautiful place to write and it's now my language desk but I can only write a book in one place and then I have to move on to another place in the book which means you have to add a room to your house or move house if you were if I if I want to write a new book but mmm it's a little like woman with her pregnancy clothes you can't never wear those clothes again and I can never write another book in the place that I wrote one book here but this was the beautiful place to write the house of longing but as I was getting into the intensity of writing 6 7 8 in US maybe 9 or 10 hours a day towards the end of the book I was writing into the night and into the hours of darkness and I began to notice that I had a completely different relationship with the horizon outside the window at night than I did during the lighted hours of the day and I realized that that horizon in the darkness was much further out much more to do with the unknown and the unspeakable and much more of a reflection of the intake interior horizon which was also shrouded in darkness inside of me so I wrote this piece is called der it's called sweet des partners when your eyes are tired when your eyes are tired the world is tired also when your eyes are tired the world is tired also when your vision is gone no part of the world can find you when your eyes are tired the world is tired also when your vision is gone no part of the world can find you it's time to go in to the dark where the night has eyes where the night has eyes to see its own there you can be sure you are not beyond love where the night has eyes to recognize its own there you can be sure you are not beyond love the dark will be your home tonight the night will give you a horizon further than you can see you must learn one thing you must learn one thing the world was made to be free in you must learn one thing the world was made to be free in give up all the other worlds except the one to which you belong sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet confinement of your alumnus to learn anything or anyone that does not bring you alive is too small feel the world is tired also when your vision is gone no part of the world can find you it's time to go into the dark where the night has eyes to recognize its own there you can be sure you are not beyond love there you can be sure you and not be the dark will be your home tonight the night will give you a horizon further than you can see you must learn one thing I remember writing that line with an empty page below you must learn one thing and I had absolutely no idea what the one thing was and I was like a gun dog with my part you know ready for there and then the next line came and it was like this incredible letting go this radical simplification of all of the willful effort on the surface here you must learn one thing the world was made to be free in give up all the other worlds except the one to which you belong sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet confinement of your loneliness to learn anything or anyone that does not bring you alive is too small for you it's interesting to think you know many of you are involved with in your activism with freedom and the dynamics of freedom and creating societies our organizations that grant freedom to people and but it's always a very sobering question to ask ourselves how free do I feel myself and how much of a of an embodiment of freedom am I do I feel imprisoned by my work for others do I do I feel incarcerated enclosed by my necessity to do my work able to be born into the freedom of the work itself you must learn one thing the world was made to be free in give-up every other world except the one to which you belong sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet confinement of your aloneness to learn anything or anyone that does not bring you alive is too small for you you could equally write that last line as anything or anything anything or anyone that does not bring you alive you have made too small for you you have made too small for you many of us are are imprisoned with loved ones at the moment yeah well some of us are are alone and that's that's real difficulty in its own but there's also the difficulty of being enclosed with someone you actually love and but whose floors therefore have a magnified effect on you and it's amazing that sometimes even our own children don't bring us alive sometimes the most intimate loved one doesn't bring bring us alive you know the way we're holding the conversation with them has made them too small and often my ability to dwelling that conversation to reinvigorate it has to do with this radical letting alone of the other person to leave them to have their own life even if it's in the same house anything or anyone that does not bring you alive you have made too small for you if we have any parents listening people who have children or I've had children here it's one of the great difficulties of parenting is when your children are driving you absolutely crazy yeah and and and you're feeling overwhelmed by both their presence yeah and the lack of silence but also everything you have to do in the world to provide for them and sometimes just as in a love relationship with one other person you can just turn yourself into a logistical army of two you know either around looking after a kid or around what needs done around the house you know the ability to settle into the essence of the freedom of being with that other person you tend to think you have rights over that other person here and you have the right to say this and the right to say that you don't have any rights at all yeah the ability to let the other person have their own radical pass here which can never be yours you can be a beautiful witness to it and a beautiful companion to it but especially if you're enclosed with them to really let them alone and this is this is just in a way preparatory remarks for saying what would it be like if you could let yourself alone that the same way in which we're constantly at another person constantly besieging another person is just a reflection of the way that we beseech ourselves I often think if you spoke to other people the way you speak to yourself in the mirror if you spoke to other people the way you speak to yourself in the mirror you would never have another friend in your life it's all about coercion about standing up straight about losing weight about why did you say that last night why did you have that second drink and then to look at yourself and see yourself as if you've just arrived here to take away the coercion in the besiegement the blessing of the morning light to you the blessing of the morning light to you may it find you evening your invisible appearances may you be seen to have risen from some other place you know and have known in the darkness and that carries all you need the blessing of the morning like to you may it find you even in your invisible appearances may you be seen to have risen from some other place you know and have known in the darkness and that carries all you need may you see what is hidden in you as a place of hospitality and shadow shelter may what is hidden in you become your gift to give may you hold that shadow to the light and the silence of that shelter to the word of the light may you join every previous disappearance to this new appearance this new morning this being seen again new and newly alive new and newly alive so of course this being newly alive is is being born into your body just as it is you know one of the remarkable answers that Buddha gave when he was asked by one of his disciples about about how you live the perfect life this man was a follower of Buddha but he was also a bit of a rascal and he when Buddhist talks were over he depreciate them and then he go off drinking with his friends and he get in all kinds of trouble and then he'd stagger neck back the next morning and he'd listen again he was a faithful a faithful disciple of Buddha but he was and he was a rascal you know a lad as you say in English but one day he stood up after Buddha had finished and he said listen Beaudry said this is all Marvis and you're perfect and you're such a Peregrine's and you're and you're so wonderful but me you know I stand up I take a step forward and I'm always falling down do you have any advice yeah and Buddha said yes I've got great advice here and he said what is that advice he said just fall in the direction that you want to go just fall in the direction you want to go in other words in this new this new this being seen again this new life you're not suddenly begun going to become a paragon of perfection you're born with you're born with all of the difficulties and reluctances yeah the difference is that you're you're fully in your reluctance you're fully in your body you're fully in the woundedness that you carry you're not trying to deny it you're not trying to get another perfect body instead of your own you're not trying to live a perfect act active life instead of the one you have now another thing that Buddha said was he said he said the whole of spirituality can be found within the footprint of friendship the whole of spirituality can be found within the footprint of friendship this is a very North Indian image actually because the biggest footprint you would see in the ground especially in the monsoon would be the footprint of an elephant yeah they were used to carry goods to people carry people you know so you would see the footprints of elephants on the main roads almost everywhere so so this is a very large footprint sir and and it's really interesting to think you know that French grip friendship with another person no matter their difficulties you know friendship with the world friendship with the essence of the people who look like your enemies and then the most difficult thing the friendship with yourself what my good friend Jonah done if you Irish friend used to call the Anam Cara the soul friend you know to be a soul friend to another person but to be a good soul friend to yourself you know how can you wake up in the morning and be a good friend to yourself not immediately start with all the things you haven't done with your to do list with all the ways you feel powerless in the world but just to begin in the miracle of perception the miracle has been seen and seeing the miracle of hearing and being heard the miracle of actually waking into the world I mean it's it's really astonishing what we go through every cycle of sleep there's a really remarkable book out there called why we sleep at the moment it's a best-seller but it's worth it from a practical point of view as to learning how to sleep properly here it's an Englishman whose name I can't remember but why we sleep is the name of the book but it's also remarkable in that it looks at the whole phenomenology and physiology physiological journey that you go through in the night hours you go through this incredible radical reorganization re-imagination and cleansing of the brain and the body during during sleep and then you wake in the morning coming out with this cargo of Revelation all your learning takes place in sleep all the best learning where you're actually a your will is given up and you allow yourself to drop to the center of the pattern yeah so this is a piece I wrote it's called what to remember when waking about waking into the body waking into the day waking into your life again as if you've seen it for the first time so let me just it's a longest room I think I have it in my memory but just in case I don't care what to remember when waking so I I wrote I wrote this as a as a reminder to myself here about the discipline of waking and myself when I wake every morning I try just to have an experience of that threshold before your plans come in before your to-do-list comes in the great tragedy of the to do list is is that it was written by the person you were yesterday with that person's priorities what to remember when working in that first hardly noticed moment in that first hardly notice moment in which you wake coming back to this life from the other secret and more honest world and frightening lis honest world where everything began there's a small opening into the day that closes the moment you begin your plans and that first hardly notice moment Inge in which you wake into this life in which you wake coming back to this life from the other more secret movable and frightening lis honest world where everything began there's a small opening into the day that closes the moment you begin your plans in that first hardly notice moment in which you wake coming back to this life coming back to this life from the other more secret movable and frightening Li honest world where everything began there's a small opening to the end of the day that closes the moment you begin your plans what you can plan is too small for you to live what you can plan it's too small for you to live what you can live wholeheartedly will make plans enough for the vitality hidden in your sleep what you can plan is too small for you to live what you can live wholeheartedly will make plans enough for the vitality hidden in your sleep to become human is to become visible while carrying what is hidden as a gift to others to become human is to become visible while carrying what is hidden as a gift to others to remember the other world in this world is to live in your true inheritance you are not a troubled guest on this earth you are not an accident amidst other accidents you are invited from another and greater night than the one from which you just emerged now looking through the slanting light of the morning window to the mountain presence of everything that can be now looking through the slanting light of the morning window toward the mountain presence of everything that can be what shape waits in the seed of you to grow and what shape waits in the seed of you to grow and spread its branches against a future sky what shape weights in the seed of you to grow and spread its branches against the future sky is it waiting in the Fertile sea in the trees beyond the house in the life you can imagine for yourself in the open beckoning and lovely white page on the waiting desk what - remember when waking there's this line you got a troubled guest on this earth that sir it's taken from a damn sorry a goethe former German great German poet and scientist and he has the last lines of this poem called diesel IGAs em soft some of you some of you from Germany might know it but the last line was our and soul and a snitched cast DZ's stabbed aunt Verdun beasts dunno I'm to be gassed after dumpling Eden and so long as you have not experienced this to die and so to grow you are only a trouble guest on the dark so long dude a snitch test Jesus stabbed aunt Verdun be stoner I'm Trueba gassed after dumpling Adam and so long if you have not experienced this to die and so to grow you're only a troubled guest on the dark David thank you we're coming to the close of our time together and what's been beautiful to see is actually everyone sharing links to these poems as you've gone through them and as me yeah with your beautiful lilt just for everyone to know we did try to convince David to do this with a fireplace roaring in the background we thought that I could add quite a bit of ambience as well to his sharing with us David one of the people in our community and in our group was actually inspired to propose to his fiancee as a result of the poem Street darkness and the two of them are one of the two of them has been working on just drawing the experience with you today and with all of us today I think the idea is actually also to get a sense for what she's come up with and so bilal i think you're gonna be helping us with this if i'm not mistaken so this is a kind of scribing that normally happens as the artistic reflection on this as well yes about the me being too small and it has totally shifted things for me so thank you so much well are you able to share in the chat oh yeah sure are you gonna show the picture you can also share the screen thank you so much David hello thank you very much yeah I'm just trying to find the best way to share this and Josephine I think you might need to send us the link because I think we're the only ones that can share screen actually on the way they know that we have a soon setup okay to you there please super thank you and then just to share for the next few sessions as well as we're getting this set up the next few people that will be having come in to host this in these weekly sessions are Rhonda McGee and we'll also be doing a session again with Parker and Sharon a Parker Palmer and Sharon Salzberg together just to work with a lot of the questions that came up so the link also will remain the same for all of us and so that makes things a little bit less complicated and we just want to say thank you to our friends at the Skoll foundation and someone who's incognito today for their their help with this and I'm just going to share the image that we have for this conversation and we'll send this out to everyone as well Emily thank you very good thank you and so David thank you very much for joining us it's been a pleasure and a privilege to have you with us carrying us with poetry it's felt nice actually to be nourished in that way there's something about that that brings a sense also of feeling more of this world which feels very beautiful and beginning this Sunday I'm doing a series three Sundays in April you might want to look on my website and and join it if you're interested and we've got a very very heavily discounted rate just people such as yourself who are doing work without great payment in the world so so I have a look at that ask all three Sundays in April it's been a pleasure to join you I know it was lovely to meet Erin in Spain last year and I know I know the work that you all do around the world is is so needed and I know it must be quite a trauma for many of you not to be able to actually engage in that work but I do hope this time is a time for you to go into that it's given you an excuse and an opportunity amidst all the the trauma to step down towards this interior horizon which which quite often when we're busy putting the world to rights knit gets neglected so so I hope I wish that for you during this time that you will come to a a good foundation in yourself for all the future work and help you'll be giving people in the world so thank you very much thank you David and this brings us to the end of our time together so we'll see everyone next Tuesday or almost everyone next Tuesday and we just invite you to take in the space take in the community and appreciate what we have together as we close the session thank you everyone [Music]

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