Dahmer re:View - Monster: The Review of Dahmer

when we're on the review set so I guess this is a review is that a half in the bag it's not really a movie it's not a Jane Mike talks about because it's not something we really loved right but it certainly needs to be talked about on today's episode of the Dahmer show we have to title this episode as awkwardly as the actual show is titled Dumber because I think all creative decisions are made by algorithms now so I'm assuming it was originally just called Monster the story of Jeffrey Dahmer or the Jeffrey Dahmer story and they're like well you know for algorithm purposes for for engagement for mentions on Twitter we need people to know exactly what it's called right away so we have to call it Dahmer so this is called a Dahmer Dash monster colon the Jeffrey Dahmer story monster in my colon would have been a more Awkward title [Music] uh so Jay uh for me this this Dahmer show just came out of nowhere just appeared yeah and it was there I hadn't heard anything about it I'm I'm a a a fan of the American Horror Story show um I still watch American Horror Stories the Anthology series which goes from pretty good to terrible to pretty good to terrible and a back and forth uh that shit's got to be like the guiltiest of guilty pleasures yeah yeah it is and uh I don't like American Horror Story at all and then this thing came out out of nowhere this Dahmer show there's no build up to it no publicity it was just on Netflix one day and then I saw it was from Ryan Murphy and I was like oh is the absolute worst person to touch this kind of thing because this stuff is so over the top um but I think his involvement must have been minimal he was a producer on it but it doesn't have his kind of signature Touch of flock and now it's huge everybody's talking about this thing some people really like it some people are angry right which is kind of our interest in it our angle right I watched uh I watched the first like three or four episodes right and I was like I think I'm out because it felt voyeuristic creepy like I don't know uh the exploitive gross and and it's like okay I know this story I'm familiar with all the events that happened with in regards to Jeffrey Dahmer I don't need to see it play out over 10 hours you know and I'm like I'm out yeah and then um you said you watched all of it and then I started reading some things where people were like mad about it and this and that and I'm like okay and you said halfway through it kind of shifts Focus I guess I mean we should point out in case anyone doesn't know Jeffrey Dahmer uh was based in Milwaukee we are based in Milwaukee so there's that angle to it that yeah kind of Interest Milwaukee Police found body parts in a North Side apartment and now they wonder if they've uncovered some kind of death factory you and I are not we weren't living in Milwaukee at the time we didn't grow up here but you know being from Chicago the Chicagoland area we obviously the whole world knew about it but it was very much on the radar when we were younger and everyone knew who Jeffrey Dahmer was it really was well outside the Milwaukee range but but there is still to this day even before this this show came around for as long as I've been here there's always been this kind of like Jeffrey Dahmer shaped cloud over the city that just kind of comes out once in a while yeah our first Studio we should point out yeah we used to be closer to downtown and we were directly across the street from one of the bars the Dahmer picked up victims at and we would see every once in a while outside walking down the sidewalk the the Jeffrey Dahmer walking tour yes where they would and that would talk about exploitation that's the most extreme example of that or or talk about uh not getting your money's worth yeah because yeah there's that there's there's a couple bars you know that are known but um the Oxford Apartments were demolished as you see in the end of the the film series limited series um his grandma's house is still in existence in West Alice and they're I think two or three murders that happened there um the Ambrosia Chocolate Factory is no longer there I mean like so much has changed and it's like the empty parking lot of the Jeffrey Dahmer apartment building it's like okay but people go visit it weird people and that's the thing I've lived in Milwaukee for 20 years I've never felt the urge to go visit the empty lot where Dahmer's apartment building was I'm just not interested in that kind of thing sure but people are and that's with this show kind of bringing attention back to Dahmer again uh and it's there's always that talk of like well he's the center Focus it's taking Focus away from the victims which is what this show kind of tries to bring back but now again there's talk of like oh there should be maybe there should be somewhere in Milwaukee a memorial for the victims but then people uh in the city saying well if we do that it's just going to turn into a mecca for Jeffrey Dahmer people to come visit that yeah and it'll it'll happen again it'll just overtake that yeah and that's that's kind of always the problem every three four five years there's a new Domer movie or documentary or series or something every few years and so this is the just the newest one and it's like what else is there what is the point this is kind of what Ellie I should say I would I would propose that this is the finale this is this is the be-all end-all it's definitely the biggest uh in terms of exposure in a long time well because there's been like smaller movies there's the Jeremy Renner movie the unless you read a book about it you can't make a movie that encompasses all of it it's it's very long and complex story and it has you know dommers bouncing around all over the place from his youth to you know adolescence when he's in the Army he's living in Ohio in Miami and yes the majority of his killings were in Milwaukee but there were 16 victims and then he had all these different little like nuances and obsessions and incidents and like that's what I was like oh my God like seven more hours of this yeah like we need different different perspectives so a movie will get all the details wrong because it's two hours yeah and then this is as close as you could get to getting his most of the details in it as you can while fudging lots of different things for dramatic purposes right which you have to do and and telling the story in a non-linear way which I don't know if it really benefits from that I'm wondering if something that was told a little more straightforward would have helped because either way it ends up shifting Focus to other people about halfway through yeah and that would be the case if it was so linear and we see him as a kid and then we see his you know picking up The Hitchhiker and we just go in a linear fashion you would still get to that point where there's neighbors there's the cops there's that would be your algorithm talking drain that's true you got to start with the the salacious stuff we talked about this uh off camera yeah the very first episode it's just like kind of mesmerizing just watching the whole scene take place the methodical nature yeah yes he's doing his thing this is his it opens with his final victim he escapes um this is the reason he gets caught it's the reason he gets caught and um you know he takes him to his apartment you're like oh you know but he's going to kill him he's going to kill him I mean General we knew yeah if you start the first two episodes or him is a baby in this crazy mom screaming and people are going to be like checking out well that's and that's where the sensationalism comes in and that's where you start to wonder what was the point of this are they really trying to honor the victims you get to the end of the show and they show the pictures of all the victims and you're I was like rolling my eyes it's a it's like come on browsing the the the Twitter reverse the internet Universe which is always a good idea is that nobody watched it and everyone complained that it was well the first big stumble was that Netflix listed it in the lgbtq plus uh of interest to lgbtq whoops I mean technically that's true but it's not obviously not a positive portrayal uh no um so that was probably some intern it was a who's Jeffrey Dahmer okay oh okay they yanked that right and then um you have everyone up in arms about the exploit of nature of it yes these were real people that got killed by a serial killer um and so not that long ago in the grand scheme not that long ago in the grand scheme of things but the same goes for every other famous serial killer um but they're like why don't you instead of making a movie about Jeffrey Dahmer why don't you make a movie about all the victims in their lives because it's not that interesting the problem is is that people are fascinated by Jeffrey Dahmer people are fascinated by True Crime it's very popular yes watching uh making money off people's misery is is an industry yes and and it's just the truth it becomes like that kind of like Balancing Act you know of the tragedies uh killer killings you're terrible at Wars I mean everything that that is bad makes for drama Dahmer's an interesting fascinating [ __ ] up person he's not a good person right he's fascinating because he is uh he was not like a Thrill Kill kind of like murderer he wasn't he was a very unique sociopath yes and and that's kind of what the show explores but to what end right and that's I was wondering like Yeah you mentioned they had the the lgbtq tag on Netflix obviously it's produced by Ryan Murphy I always look you do this too I know where you look at the directors of episodes I noticed uh a lot of the episodes are directed by black men and obviously Jeffrey Dahmer targeted you know a lot of young black men uh one of the episodes is directed by gregoraki who did a lot of really transgressive Indie movies in the 90s so I was like is the point of this to kind of like Take Back Control of the narrative from for communities that were more directly affected by you is that the point because it almost doesn't matter when the Target demographic for all these uh True Crime things there was a poll I looked it up earlier this year it's soccer moms 73 of the target audience for all this true crime [ __ ] is middle-aged women his diet right it's been a long time since I I've seen a Dahmer film I think I saw my friend Dahmer uh i s I have not seen the Jeremy Renner or maybe I did and I just don't remember I mean it's pretty forgettable uh the the I the earliest one is one called The Secret Life colon always with the colons Jeffrey Dahmer or Jeffrey Dahmer of the secret life something like that and that was made in the early 90s that was like that's exploitation where it was made specifically to try and get negative attention to draw attention to the movie um but it's also probably the most like straightforward version of it it's just here's the series of events that happened but it was made super low budget and it's not good but right um it's not doing any sort of artistic flourishes or anything yeah uh like this new show is trying to do the Sun Holy Spirit the forgiveness of sin well the new thing that this series could explore in the 10 hours is the other side is is less about Dahmer and his methods and you know how he grew up and all that kind of stuff but the the racial component is that the cops were sort of like dismissive of a serial killer in the gay community gay men would disappear they'd be looking for this person posters what do they call them not wanted posters lost and found what's the poster that you hang up when you kept missing the missing person's missing persons um like with this person's missing yeah and then you know even the land in a predominantly black neighborhood yes yes and that's the um that's the like the big incident is when the young boy escapes who's all drugged up and he's in his underwear and people are just like what's what what are you doing yes you're letting him take this he's obviously underage and they're like it's some kind of gay thing you know whatever immediately dismissive yeah very dismissive and the the neighbor would call the police and you know they will look into it we got other things to do and so the fact that yes all these people are missing and the cops aren't like knocking down every door or trying to find them if it was a 19 year old blonde girl that'd be uh everyone's coming out of the state breaking tonight A search underway this evening for a missing woman in Butler County tonight a community vows to continue its search for a missing mom from Belle Isle a large search is underway for a missing woman in Bates County Missouri I think that people saw those images and realized this could be my daughter this could be my best friend tonight police in Bangor are asking for help your help to find a missing woman tonight new clues in the search for Heidi plank a Los Angeles mother last seen more than two weeks ago she was last seen about a week ago getting money at a Bank of America off Goldenrod Road and Hoffner Avenue in Orange County more than 100 people gathered in Nevada this weekend to search for a woman who was kidnapped from a Walmart friends and family also say she hasn't been responding on social media like she usually does did you notice the show slipped in a little little wink wink joke it's very subtle wing-wing joke to what well I think it's in the the father's house um when he's like in the living room I don't know what he's doing with the cameras coming in and the TV is on and there's a Head and Shoulders shampoo commercial that's a joke is oh Head and Shoulders like what kind of shampoo does Jeffrey Dahmer use if that was an intentional nod to dab them that's pretty pretty tasteless on the part of the filmmakers [Music] and I think this was kind of fudged too like his very first victim um The Hitchhiker guy that he hits over the head with uh barbell or something yeah then he cuts him up and he has them in garbage bags in the back of his car and he's drinking beers and driving and gets pulled over and the cops are like what's in the garbage bags I think this was in Ohio not good and he's like oh lawn clippings and I think in reality I could be wrong but I think the cops got called away on another more important call and they're like oh yeah we gotta go like okay just drive home blah blah we're not going to but in this they're like you know you look like a nice uh young white boy you know like where you got you I think he says like you've got your whole life ahead of you we're not going to load you a ticket so you got your whole life ahead of you which is like um clearly reminiscent of uh that rapist kid who raped a girl in an alley in college I forget his name it starts with a B the public outcry still soaring tonight over a six-month sentence slapped on former Stanford University freshman Brock Turner for sexually assaulting a 22 year old woman while she lay unconscious next to a dumpster outside this frat house last year he he raped some girl in a an alley and uh instead of getting like 10 years in prison he got like six months probation because the judge was like you're you've got your whole life ahead of you kid which you don't even need to interject again yeah something like that where it's inspired by something more recent yeah when the reality of the situation is what happened with that underage loation Boy Yes you don't even need to interject modern uh uh right situations related to cops because that is the most [ __ ] up thing and it's still amazing to this day it's shocking yes and those two cops did get suspended but then they got put back on the force but then at the end of of the show they're they're they do this like um paralleling thing where they're getting awards at like the police Union's ball yeah and then the neighbor is getting a Citizens award and they're very two very different looking events ones in like this dumpy like room yeah like fluorescent lighting in the ceiling and the others like this Grand police ball where they have like champagne and they're toasting right that seems very like um dramatized like I don't know if that happened but I know and one of those two cops did he got promoted and he happily retired just a few years ago in like 2017 I think so yeah I mean so that stuff dealing with them like you know we're we got to put you on on leave and they're like oh we're gonna talk to the union and all that stuff and everybody applauding them when they come back it might be exaggerated from reality but it's pretty close yeah and also I wanted to mention the neighbor Glenda Cleveland I think is a amalgamation of many different people and then she kind of becomes sort of like a metaphor for everybody at the end yeah it's like all these things probably really didn't happen with her specifically but um I don't I know there was a neighbor of Dahmer but Glenda Cleveland lived in the building across the street okay and she was not there at the incident with the the 14 year old boy it was her daughter and there's all sorts of like because they show the uh it's a reenactment but they say in the show like this is the actual phone call yeah and those are the real words spoken but that wasn't by her I I think it was by her but she she lived across the street okay and her daughter had told her about what happened take back the complaint ultimately when one sits down and watches Dahmer right what what are we getting out of this right and that's what was running through my head the whole time I think that the positive note I'll say is I learned more about the victims yeah yeah we have to get through halfway through the show and see all the goddess you got to be in it for the long haul and I think for a lot of people the early half that's focused more on dahmers what they want to see so I guess in that way it's sort of subversive but I I don't know like when you when I see people online talking about this all they're talking about is Evan Peters and he gives a good performance I've heard some people say his accent's a little too exaggerated but no he Nails it we'll talk about Evan Peterson we'll talk about that in a bit I guess but uh uh but yeah that's and now there's like people that treaty are treating this as if it's not reality that are making like thirst posts about Dahmer because Evan Peters is an attractive young man and what the [ __ ] is a thirst well Grandpa it's just people like like oh he's hot so you know stuff like that talking about Dahmer and it's like they're really talking about Evan Peters I get it but it's still it's obviously not the effect that they're going for or that you want to take away from something like this [Music] yeah that second half that that's where like I found the aftermath stuff to be the most interesting yeah um like because it deals with with culture and media and fame and like the the families what what they had to go through the I don't know if the cops really crank called the laoshan boy's father right or not but you know the the weird fan letters to Jeffrey Dahmer the trying to get money uh Joseph zilbert buying up all of his items and putting them in a landfill so people couldn't collect them dragons couldn't get his hands on them yeah um and so like all that kind of uh stuff was interesting um Jeffrey Dahmer's father has written a book and my guess is it's going to sell way more copies than some comic book so it's not a cautionary tale no maybe you could say it's bringing attention to the fact that some of these communities are not given the proper police protection that other neighborhoods would be but we've seen so many other versions of that right digging up Dahmer feels like you're doing it because Dahmer is a name it feels salacious in the fact that you're you're it almost feels like it's that's your excuse like oh yeah this is the real reason we made it look at it crazy we're really having a message of social change in this look at that there isn't he crazy like look come on down to the carnival everybody and watch the watch the salacious material we have on Dahmer which is why I almost have a little more right we showed the pictures of the victims at the end yeah in memory of right it's just a sad fact of human beings people love to look at a train wreck look at uh awful things it's in our nature I say every few years there's a new Dahmer thing and I always say do we really need another thing about Dahmer and then I watch it anyway so it sells it sells and it also it's like I I think it's just I think it's because people that murder especially serial killers are is so the opposite of what a normal person would do and that's why I think that stuff's so popular with wine moms they love this true crime stuff because it's a way to to escapism it's escapism it's a way to be exposed to the darker sides of nature uh that they that because their lives are so boring and normal in comparison maybe True Crime is like the fight club for soccer moms and they could watch some story about another soccer mom who gets murdered and be like Oh I'm glad that didn't happen to me sure but but for people that like serial killers uh I don't know how much soccer moms like serial killers I think they just like like True Crime stuff more yeah marriage has gone wrong where the husband kills the wife yeah fairies are under the Dog House in the backyard you know they like stuff like that yeah um serial killers are weird guys in their 20s and 30s who listen to death metal but or people that are just kind of fascinated by their mental state you know or or their compulsion to do things like this and that's the thing it's like you'll never as much as you shout about it you're never gonna just take away that Allure of famous serial killers I mean can you name a victim of Ted Bundy no what about John Wayne Gacy name a victim I can't I'm not being disrespectful here I'm being oh yeah no that's what I say and that's like I think with this show they're trying to bring more attention to that right but all anyone's talking about is Evan Peters is dauber would we consider it a bad thing to to bring all this up again I'm sure the city of Milwaukee isn't happy it's I mean yeah and that's that's we obviously we're a little bit closer because of that the Milwaukee connection and I know we bought we bought filmmaking supplies at the same Ace Hardware where Jeffrey Dahmer would buy his uh his blue barrels yeah exact same one I know like some of the relatives of victims are not happy about it they're pretty the one that's shown in the courtroom in this that starts like screaming at him she's been really vocal about it saying it's re-traumatizing and it's like you don't want to minimize that but at the same time people are never going to stop being fascinated by stuff like this so it's like I don't know what do you do so dredging it all up is serving what purpose obviously the show to to make money yeah uh and what are they going to do with that money are they going to donate anything any amount of it anywhere probably not you have to should you I mean that's even a topic in the in the movie itself yeah profiting off Dahmer his father was doing it and you know Joseph zilber tried to stop people from doing it yeah to artists filmmakers TV creators have a right to tell salacious stories that the public wants to hear without feeling an obligation to have it have a charitable effect absolutely this has every right to exist just as much as the Dahmer versus Jesus comic book we have Dom reverses Gacy upstairs on DVD we've never watched that I'm sure that's quality I'm sure that's a great film you'll bury 30 people in the crawl space your house what kind of ignorant low life does that maybe the fact that this is in in a dramatized form and not a documentary makes it look different I watched a documentary I don't know if you watched it was on Hulu it's called captive audience now it's about Stephen stainer a kid in California in the 70s who was kidnapped by this weird guy when he was like four years old and he was living in like a trailer community in like Yosemite National Park or somewhere super like remote and he was like saying the kid's his son and he lived there for like 10 years and then he escaped and then it was like oh he's back you know and then it was like media explosion uh they made like a TV movie about it and Corinne nemec played little Stephen stainer in it Parker Lewis himself Parker Lewis himself and he's interviewed in the documentary um but it's interesting because the reason why I bring it up is because they have all this audio of the producers and writers talking about how they're going to structure the TV movie and they're like well the mother uh uh she might have been a good mother but let's let's have her uh drink a lot and uh yeah and taking a real world thing and turning it into entertainment kind of like twisting certain things yeah and then um [Music] like I just kept taking these weird twists and turns wow but um that all happened I think that happened after the TV movie came out yeah the TV movie was called my name is Steven or I think my name is Stephen um and uh and so but but the interesting note is that they were talking about ways to dramatize it right I was lost I turned away from God so you believe in God yes I do towards the end he said he wanted to get caught like he was tired of doing it he he got really drunk to work up the courage to do the creepy things he did he made sure the victims were not awake when he killed them he was a very Midwest serial killer drinking and trying to be as polite and accommodating as possible sure maybe I could bring some brewskies by your place we could but there was something definitely wrong with his brain and that's another angle of the series is you know nurture versus nature was it how he was raised and and at first that was a big turn off like on the shows like uh oh God they're gonna try it seems like they're trying to explain it because the mom took a lot of pills when she was pregnant and was kind of a you know distant mother the father was like teaching him how to do Taxidermy with roadkill yeah just because he showed some kind of interest but Dahmer was just like it was just like this piece of [ __ ] kind of boring guy yeah who was just like a failure at everything and so kind of aloof and and uh detached yeah yeah I don't know but he was born in Milwaukee moved to Ohio you know went to high school there like did terribly in high school but graduated the dad sends them to Ohio State University where he just drinks yeah fails there and then they're like well you know I'll move back in for a week uh you need to get a job of you're going to The Army Goes to the Army gets some kind of medical training which makes them learn about drugs and stuff yeah but eventually just keeps drinking in the Army and fails out of that and goes lives with his grandma before that he says uh once I get discharged from the Army I'm going to try to live on my own in Miami oh yeah yeah and he lives in a rented hotel room in Miami working at a butcher shop and then eventually gets kicked out of the hotel and sits on the beach and drinks and then fails and then has to come back home and move in with Grandma yeah where he works uh I think at another Deli and then at the Chocolate Factory not not even an intelligent person I don't think yeah just uh just a complete complete failure of a person and and uh with uh proclivity towards a weird weird sexual problem yes which uh that should be discussed I suppose sure take it away Jay oh my God he just wants to cuddle he just wants to cuddle he doesn't want he wants control he likes control yeah and no confrontation but uh there was a big element of wanting complete control over someone total control one of his early like I don't know if it was a victim or just a person he was with but he he didn't like them moving like either maybe during sex or after he was like getting like upset by it and so yeah there there was something going on there where he he just wanted them to be uh submissive or controlled and and the The Hitchhiker guy that he killed he he enjoyed like uh he chopped him up he pulverized all his bones and and he spread them around the house and he's like I just felt good having him around and it's like like he there was there was a lot of stuff going on upstairs yeah a lot of stuff not good stuff bad stuff going on upstairs to where you're just like what caused all this and and it you know a lot of people say there's the cannibal angle but he wasn't like carving them up and he didn't have a giant meat locker and he wasn't consuming people 24 7. like he tried it he ate a little yeah but he kept that wasn't his driving motivation that wasn't that was one of many different things that he was up to and it was like it was more like I want to keep these these men close to me I want to keep parts of them around I'm going to bleach their skulls and keep them as trophies keep one in the fridge you know and it wasn't even so much about like covering up the murder the murder was like the least important part for him yeah and that's that's like what I think is interesting is like people kill because they enjoy that feeling of killing someone but to him that was like the most um unpleasant part yeah is this something you have to do to get to the end result that you want right that's another angle is that Jeffrey Dahmer does talk to a therapist in this and he he diagnoses him with with some kind of um mental issue a problem with uh being sexually aroused by organs right you know there's a term for what you're describing it's called splanchnophilia when someone finds viscera internal organs sexually arousing and I think there's a general term I think it's paraphiliac where it's just like sexual weirdness it's not it's like like Kinks or just you're attracted to something that's super [ __ ] weird um and uh I I think he talked about the the organs like the sliminess of them and he's like he's like it's very reminiscent of a woman's vagina and Jeffrey John's like okay um and he and and Jeffrey Dahmer existed during a time in the early 90s there's AIDS uh he was he was gay but his family didn't know he was closeted um Jeffrey Dahmer probably couldn't get the help that he needed because it it was so [ __ ] far off the radar yeah where it's like oh God I'm having thoughts of really wanting to have this guy be unconscious in my bed for weeks and I'm in a you know like I gotta go get some pills and I gotta go speak to a therapist I may have something wrong with me yeah it wasn't the kind of environment where he could come out and say that yeah plus he was an alcoholic on top of everything else which which just made the problem much worse it exacerbated the problem so different from everybody else there's something wrong with me no I'm serious dad there's there's things that I want to do and and there's stuff that I've done that oh yeah um that that could be another kind of takeaway that one could learn from this is that uh back then Jeffrey Dahmer was in a climate in an environment where he he didn't feel like he could uh discuss his his weird fetish or his problems he he had to resort to stealing a mannequin and sleeping with it in his bed um maybe in today's world someone would be like I think I kind of want to do these bad things maybe I should talk to somebody yeah I don't know that I'm trying to think of what young people would learn from this I just got an idea um that's that's what's fascinating is like what was wrong with his brain how did this happen people are complex brains are complex but it's you know it's just like one in a million yeah he's like the opposite of like Einstein Einstein he's the polar opposite Einstein uh you know brilliant physicist one in a one in a million maybe even more than that right and then you got Jeffrey Dahmer yeah like most people piece of [ __ ] most people are average most people are average every now and then there's someone that's just that reaches to the top or reaches to the bottom of the spectrum of Life intelligence weirdness excess desires just flat out Talent you know there's all sorts of components that make up people but Jeffrey Dahmer was just he had all of the bad ones yeah maybe if Jeffrey Dahmer had looked more like John Wayne Gacy he would have had a harder time bringing men home from the bar that's another case of like yeah you look at Gacy and you're like oh yeah that guy's a [ __ ] serial killer Dahmer looks like just generic Midwest man right which is how not because that's sort of uh Ted Bundy's thing is he's like he's a good looking guy uh Ted Bundy was yeah different yeah and but Dahmer's just a tiny bit of a of a mullet back there and just goofy glasses very unassuming and that's probably what like like had the cops stopped Gacy with the Laotian boy you know he's my boyfriend and they're like yeah I know Dumber maybe yeah I always found one thing interesting uh I'm sure others have noted uh there's not really that many similarities between Dahmer and Cobain Kurt Cobain and Jeffrey Dahmer I think it was just the fact that I was growing up coming of age they they both existed on the world stage for almost the exact amount of time like and they look similar too never mind came out in 91 Dahmer got caught in 91. that both exploded on the world stage yeah and then in 1994 Jeffrey Dahmer gets murdered in prison in a 1994. Kurt Cobain gets murdered above his garage in a room gets murdered well Kurt Cobain died by a shotgun blast at the head Jeffrey Dahmer was bludgeoned with an allen wrench [Music] yes we know uh that Jeffrey Dahmer loved exorcist part three yes we also know he loved the emperor you turn in the Jedi the emperor is so [ __ ] cool which they don't really mention that in this yeah um did they mention the emperor I know he wears the contacts at some point but well he's like you ever see Return of the Jedi oh he does mention it that's right yeah I think they're watching it yeah well they probably didn't show footage from it they didn't they had sound alike yeah that's right now I remember you hear like laser blasts or something yeah you hear some kind of like Disney wasn't gonna okay that no Exorcist three probably pretty cheap to license a clip from that right although it was very inaccurate when he's fast forwarding rewinding there's a uh the guy who plays zilber uh is an actor from The Exorcist part three but the priest father diet Joseph Dyer there's a lot of actors in this that show for like one scene where I recognized them but they look a lot older than when I remember them but I remember them from Ari gross shows up he's like the uh the lawyer in prison talking to Domer and his dad that guy was in a lot of stuff in the 90s before you have a chance to type it yes I recognize Linda Park from Star Trek Enterprise stop it so Jay are we done talking oh real quick Evan Peters Evan Peters uh Nails The Voice he's too attractive to really be Dahmer but they do a pretty good job of frumping him up trumping him down you know it's I I like Evan Peters a lot he's really good um and he does the an impression of Dahmer really well right um he obviously studied all of his interviews and got his mannerisms spot on uh and Evan Peters was a good choice because you he's like in his early 30s I think and Dahmer the story required Dahmer to go from like high school to like 30s from like high school to prison and Evan Peters could do that he is sort of a boyish face yeah um but he's a little too he wasn't he wasn't scary as Dahmer he just has that like little round boyish face he looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy like like a thin version of that yeah and Dahmer when like when you see him in courtroom you know and he's he's just like he's he's creepier there's nothing there's not creepy yeah um but that aloofness he certainly captures that that kind of just uh yeah I I there was a joy in the the shows listening to all of his excuses it just I don't know it's one of those things out of context of the show it's very funny obviously it's not supposed to be funny but there's so many parts of the show where people are just asking him his dad or whoever his neighbor like what's that smell and he just excuse after excuse without even really thinking about it they just keep coming to him and nobody takes them seriously or looks further into it well you know I had that meat that went bad can't really sleep so I just do yard work I did it on a dare little thing was just a joke use that saw to cut up roadkill it was big enough yeah right away in the barbecue I was trying out a new way to cook it no it's just like my stuff like baseball cards you're not gonna tell me are you no no no because they're just like the beyond the realm of possibility that he could be doing this I mean I kind of get that but because he's not uh combative at all like some people when you confront them about something they might get more and more worked up but it makes them look more guilty he's just so detached to everything when he talks yeah so as as a performance as an actor you know he's he's great but I think maybe some unknown who wasn't famous who had more of a imposing scarier look to him he just looks so like wholesome there's nothing spooky about him and and I and if you're if their goal was to kind of make Dumber sympathetic Evan Peters is a good choice but if you if the goal is to like make you hate him yeah um which it should be uh you you maybe cast an actor who looks more like the real Dahmer I don't know Grandma Jeff I always do the grandma voice grandma [Laughter] [Laughter] well Jay we talked a lot about uh Jeffrey Dahmer we talked about the good things about this new series the bad things the questionable things we brought up the idea of what do you get out of this and I don't think we're any closer to the answer no people's fascination with the stuff is never going away so things like this will keep getting made friends and family of the victims will keep getting upset and there's nothing that's going to change about that I don't know what what the answer is yeah that's this is well stated well stated I mean I guess there could be people that are younger that don't know about Jeffrey Dahmer and this is their first exposure to it and hopefully they realize it's a real thing like the Titanic well that really happens yeah yeah so maybe better policing cops listen to the lady who calls you who says someone's being murdered next door yeah do that and if you feel like maybe you want to drill a hole through someone's skull uh go tell somebody and talk to a therapist about it that's probably a good idea these are my two takeaways okay this is some things that could be learned from the Jeffrey Dahmer and Ryan Ryan Murphy just made a whole bunch of [ __ ] money and I hope he gives it to all the people that are constantly being tormented because this happened to their relative buy him a nice new car that'll make it better thanks for watching and try usinger's sausage Milwaukee's best sausage [Music]

Channel: RedLetterMedia

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Length: 45min 28sec (2728 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 07 2022