Crucifixion or Cruci fiction? Sheikh Ahmed Deedat

[Music] bismillahi r-rahmani r-rahim in the name of Allah most gracious most merciful we will start the evening with a recital of a portion of the Holy Quran by Abdullah Hudson Berg all the Bnei Menashe a thorn already building some duel in Europe 'banahna me nor man your fee manikyam indeed he would wire canister the nasarah stuffy Serena him very mellow be our name mean a bill filly Wally Wally diamine bismillah r-rahman Ibrahim and if [Music] me the Nikita bula rahi Buffy who don't thin levy 9 you mean una be lovely BYU ki-moon asana will be munot Santa wasn't for know you people know I mean what's nothing I mean onna be my email see Learning Company Inc is here aunty wookie new [Applause] sorry [Applause] [Applause] why should I be an imam muslim or be my [Music] if Barnum la mesa meme one tower think I want off your good side [Music] one more thing you look I mean I am I am far more by in a goofy mom don't feed the honeymoon [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] failure ooh la la you are funny mean lovely comment I think honky aruna masala we sign the low-income a sunny autumn mean ergo a lancome pink of AA Tonkin me and uncle Olli assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu peace and the blessings of Allah upon all of you brothers and sisters in Islam ladies and gentlemen we welcome you one and all here tonight to the lecture by Mustafa medida on the topic crucifixion exile in or crucifixion CTI om we leave the judgment to you after mr. Deedat has delivered this lecture this is but one of a series of lectures on similar or related topics we still have two more lectures after tonight that is al-quran the visual miracle the Athlon Civic Center on Monday evening and on Tuesday evening in Kensington Civic Center is Jesus God we invite you to those lectures to mr. Hamid Edith this day and age needs no introduction we all know is from Durban its borne out by the fact that he doesn't speak Afrikaans the banana boy he has just returned from an extensive Arab country tour lecturing on these very topics we are indeed fortunate to have such a man in homage and such a man we so willing to answer our call when he came from his extensive tour I am sure you didn't come to listen to me so I wanna ask mr. urfe medida to take the floor cause we let initiate any regime miss Miller here of man you love me whole child who was the hopple bottle in Malabar Villa Kaunas hookah when necessary mean Alper anima washing farm I mean when I a single volume in a la posada sadaqa sadaqa long varanasi mr. chairman and my dear brothers and sisters on the subject of the crucifixion the Muslim is told in no uncertain terms in the holy quran the last and final revelation of god he is told in chapter 4 verse 1 5 7 vomit a Telugu wah masala Bible that they didn't kill him and they did not crucify him why Lacan should be hollow him but it was made to appear to them so that is what they thought they had done the Jews when Alison Estella foofy laughing shocked and minimum and those who dispute therein are full of doubts Malibu bohemian realm they have no certain knowledge Allah t-boz son the only following conjecture guesswork fiction wahhhh marketable we opinon forever surety they killed him not mr. chairman ladies and gentlemen could anyone have been more explicit more dogmatic more uncompromising in rejecting the dogma of a faith than this the answer is impossible the only one who could afford to do such thing would be the almighty omnipotent omniscient Lord of the universe he's the only one who's entitled to speak in such terms it electabuzz son they only follow conjecture guesswork fiction the Muslim believes in this authoritative statement of the Holy Quran as of God from Allah but Allah Himself hence he asks no questions and he seeks for no proof he says my Lord said this is what my lord says amanhã siddhatma we hear and we offer - this Muslim attitude the Christian retorts that we do not accept your book the Holy Quran as of God and as such it holds no authority for us and a further reason that how can a man a thousand miles away from the scene of the happenings of the alleged crucifixion and six hundred years away in time tell us what happened in Jerusalem some 600 years before we say that this is from god the omnipotent omniscient all-knowing he knows and he has revealed this knowledge to his messenger Mohammed the Christian says had we believed in these statements of the Quran as a God then there would have been no problem we would all have been Muslims and that is actually what would have happened if they believe that this is a las Kalam they would do all Muslims they say for the claim that we have written records in our scriptures of eyewitnesses and your witnesses to the happenings in the Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John now if the Christian reacts against the Muslim and attitude if he reacts strongly we can understand because his salvation depends upon this belief to him this is the most important thing of his religion as st. Paul the self-appointed 13th apostle this s Alpha pointed 13th apostle of Jesus Christ as he claims in the book of Corinthians 1st Corinthians chapter 15 verse 14 he says if Christ is not risen from the dead our preaching is vain your faith is vain in others you've got nothing he's telling his Christian fellow Christians is a look if this had not happened Christ coming back from the dead then all of Christianity is worthless worthless the Americans would say garbage is all garbage nothing you haven't got a thing the only thing you have is is telling Paul is telling the Christians is the death and resurrection of Jesus if that is not there you haven't got a thing to tell anybody else and you know the truth of the statement because no Christian comes and tells us that we will teach you hygiene I'm talking about personal hygiene we are the most hygienic people no Christian will come and tell you that we will teach you hospitality we are the most hospitable people no Christian can come and tell you that we will teach you ethics or morality though we have our little shortcomings but in South Africa we can boast that the Muslim he has the lowest alcoholic consumption in the country he has the lowest gambling rate in the country he has the lowest cruising rate in the country he has the lowest suicide rate in the country he has the lowest divorce rate in the country and he has the highest charity rate in the country there is not another religious group in this country who can show a candle to us that we are better than you there is it the only thing the Christian can tell us is that you have no salvation there is no Jenna for you there is no heaven for you because all your good deeds he says are like filthy rags rubbish all your good deeds your salah your zakat your ozone all these are like filthy rags and he quotes from the book of Isaiah chapter 64 verse 6 filthy rags they come for nothing salvation only comes through the blood of the Lord Jesus now the title of this evening's talk as well as the booklet on the subject that has been given to you crucifixion or crucifixion c11 itis the words it's hard for you to catch the joke between friction fi exile and crucifixion and fic tion fiction it sounds the same when the speaker is speaking crucifixion or crucifixion what is it is repeating the same word how can it be or this but when you see it in front of your eyes and you see this fiction is something else from the FI Xin fiction the title might seem to some of our brethren somewhat a little provocative but let me assure you my brethren that these words are borrowed words I have borrowed it from the Christians own toolbox these are not my words I didn't create them you see the American Christians the hot gospel it's the bible thumpers the Crusaders fellows like garnet Ed Armstrong the executive vice president of the plain truth a magazine which is boasting today six million copies a month free distribution six million a month this garnet a damn strong he attempts to answer his own puzzle under the heading was the resurrection a hoax hoax not my words his words easy the hoax was asking the question is it a hoax and he elucidates his poser hoax with the words the resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is either the supreme fact of history or a flagrant deliberate fabrication strong words not my words this is how the Americans talk is a flagrant deliberate fabrication another budding young Billy Graham from America a certain Josh McDowell of the Campus Crusade he accuses in his book that has a Russian factor saying I was forced to the conclusion that is after 1000 hours of specialized study on the subject of crucifixion he said I was forced to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is either again they always keep on using the word either the first fellow said either this or that either one of the most wicked heartless wishes hoaxes look not my words these are not my words this is how they talk the Americans this high-pressure religious salesmanship superlatives of the highest order they know how to use them this is since it is not possible I say for an oriental like me an Eastern like me to emulate the superlatives of our Western president we have to borrow the words and we use them in meetings titles like this we just had a meeting in in December last year a debate between myself and a member of the Church of Christ great debate Christ crucified hoax or history the other words hoax or history and we went on to prove that he was a hoax last month that is March 84 the same plain truth the father of Ted Gaynor Armstrong his father Herbert Armstrong he says the resurrection fact or fable yeah these are not our titles we don't use words like that it is they say is it a fact or is it a fable I said fact or fiction am I going too far out he says he's asking the question fact or fable so I stood looking to the fable as a fact or fiction so mr. chairman mr. chairman should you sense any tenseness or electrification in the atmosphere people seems to be too tight you know I can see my brothers and sisters a bit too tight the spellbound mesmerised I want you to relax a little please and please relax and to do that look if I'm a sidetrack a little I have the printer on did you give it to me you forgot I had an idea you haven't worried it what have you got with you Naruto security I want to make you people feel a little at ease I won't offer this pintia dance do anybody here anybody who can give me the source of disco tation this statement I am I gonna make now whether it was Moses the holy prophet Moses Marx Karl Marx or Muhammad who added these words relax relax I'm coding for those my enemies who would not that I should reign over them rule them bring them hither bring them here and slay them before me kill them in front of my eyes the first person who gives me the author of that statement yes this Moses Marx or Muhammad put up your hand would have your head come on put up your hands pindy rats anybody Moses Marx or Muhammad come on come on please man look these 20 runs are going I don't know put them back in my pocket they're eating my Christian brother yes the brother wants me to repeat it as a disc rotation where does it originate I was asking Moses Marx or Muhammad the quotation is for those my enemies you know my enemies my enemies who would not that I should really rule them I want to rule them I want to rule you all I want to be the king dictator of you all and if you don't want that I'm telling my followers you have my disciples look bring them here and kill them slay them before me who said that Moses macho Mohammed who said that come on come on one more one more try you can have those Jesus Christ see people don't know their own Bible Luke chapter 19 verse 27 Jesus Christ said for those my enemies who would know that I should reign them rule them bring them here in front of me and kill them slay them before me Jesus Christ did you say Jesus did anybody hear him say Jesus salad salad that brother are you a Christian he knows his Bible he deserves 20 wrath those James at the back on that side could you please reserve that row for the ladies you can join us on the stage please let happy it's a little better laughs we are a little more relaxed now me to see those 20 runs reaching this was Jesus Christ on his way to the triumphant royal entry of Jerusalem that with Easter weekend when he supposed to have been crucified he is marching on to Jerusalem and this is the statement is meeting on the way and on the way his followers people they're flocking around him and they're matching with him and they're saying the kingdom of God will be established any minute riding a donkey to flooville prophecy Zachariah chapter 9 verse 9 say tell ye the daughters of Zion behold thy King cometh your king is coming sitting upon an ass when a donkey and a great multitude spread their garments and branches in the way and the multitude cried saying Hosanna to the son of David hooray hooray to the son of David hasanah to the king of Israel hosanna in the highest hooray hooray hooray Matthew chapter 27 verses 5 and 9 and the beloved physician Luke he says because he was near to Jerusalem and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear Luke chapter 19 verse 11 immediately David there was a turmoil in the air there was electrification in the air Jesus Christ was marching on to Jerusalem to the Temple of Jerusalem and they were making a big noise they were throwing flowers in his way they were throwing palm-leaf families in his way hassan ra hassan ra & the Jewish priests they pleaded with Jesus say look subdue your disciples subdue them you know things might go out of hand the Romans are ruling us any minute they can find an excuse for killing us our people subdue them so Jesus says if these were to be quite Indies that even the stones will cry you can subdue these people can't you see the spirit if they are subdued the stones will cry out and he matches him into the temple he upsets the money changers tables he takes a whoopin he starts whipping the people he say you making the house of God into a den of thieves the kingdom of God was almost to be established but the whole thing went off like a damp squib failed all the vasanas worthless all the who raised useless now you see this is a reward for success similarly there is a price you have to pay for failure the kingdom of God rule of God Almighty on earth was to be established any minute immediately and the priests started crying he see the whole though all the people are going mad after him damn skip the thing was a failure it didn't work so now we reach that upper room in Jerusalem where they supposed to have had the last supper while having the supper he knew that this guy Judas Iscariot was in league with the temple authorities he was going to betray so Jesus tells in go and get going with do what you have planned to do get it over with and he tells his disciples he says you remember previously I sent you out on your mission of preaching and healing and when I sent you I told you when I sent you without purse no extra clothes and scrip and shoes lefty anything did you like anything this is no they said nothing then said he unto them but now but now he that had no purse let him take it and likewise his bag and he that had no sword sword the one who cut people's throats chopped off people's necks sword s wo are these sword those who have no sword let him sell His garment and buy one Luke chapter 22 verses 35 and 36 preparation can you see preparation for war for defence that March had failed and now trouble is brewing in that upper room they will be sitting targets sitting targets for the Jews so he takes his disciples in the middle of the night midnight and he walks some five miles out of town to a place called Gethsemane and olive press a courtyard stone walls and he puts eight of his devoted disciples these disciples who were beating their breasts in that upper room said master anything happens to you we prepare to die for you master we are prepared to go to prison for you determine lot to the capacity what the circumstances would allow armed to the teeth and he puts eight of his devoted disciples at the gate he says he's a city here while I go and pray yonder I hello al go and pray beyond sit you sit at the gate watch with me I said watch what what is there to watch in the middle of the night in Gethsemane all impressed there's nothing dead watch no keep God because the Jews were after his blood they'll be coming for him so you keep guard here 8:00 at the gate and he takes with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee Peter the rock and the two sons of Zebedee described the sons of thunder in the book in the Bible and he makes an inner light line of defense he says and he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee then said he and with him tarry ye here and watch with me Matthew chapter 26 worth verses 37 and 38 and he goes a little further and prays to God for help he goes a little further and falls on his face and prayed to God said o my father if it be possible let this cup pass from me meaning remove the difficulty from me but not as I will but as solid as a good Muslim he submits his will to the will of God if you want me to die I don't mind but oh my lord save me and being in an agony we are told by Luke chapter 22 verse 44 and being in an agony he prayed more earnestly and his sweat was his sweat was as if it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground a man of God the true man of God a righteous servant of God crying with such agony using the God of mercy wouldn't happen to his prayer when he said that you ask and he shall receive seek and ye shall find knock and it shall be opened unto you so who's ever asked that receiveth and he that knocketh it shall be opened unto him which man is there of you that if his son will ask for bread will give a stone or if you ask for fish will be a mistake is there the father in heaven the loving father in heaven would he do that no changes one of the father brother of Jesus Christ according to the Christians James chapter 5 verse 16 he says the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much it carries weight some cynic remarked that if you cry out like that even the good Lord of Mercy the father in heaven will come down from his throne to answer your call you cry like that bring him down from his throne you must configure 8 and God accepted his prayers says who in the days of his flesh means right he was here with us here offer the prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears and to him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he feared he was heard means God her his prayers what has it been godhood does it mean what is deaf at any time he is all-hearing but he has everything here's the whispers it was secret thoughts leaders what does it mean God heard it means God accepted Zechariah in his old age he prayed for a son and God heard his prayers and John the Baptist Ya Ya Allah sallam was born father Ibrahim Ali Solomon is old it prayed for a son and Allah heard his prayers and Ishmael was born Ishmael is my ear you know what it is my L means called her literal it means in Hebrew God what the prayer of Abraham materialized Ishmael L in Hebrew means God heard the prayer of Abraham so God Almighty answers his prayer and he appeared an angel unto him from heaven strengthening him Luke chapter 22 verse 43 the angel came and strengthened him in the hope the assurance that God Almighty will come to his rescue but strange as it may sound the term was the Jesus crisis will the preparation had made eight at the gate in a line of defense when he offers hot borings to God and when he returns the guys are going to sleep his disciples going to sleep can you imagine the people who tribute to give the life for him go to prison for him they want to sleep Jesus says what could you not wash with me for one hour one hour Matthew chapter 26 verse 40 you can't wait with me watch with me for one hour I put you on God you know if they were in the South African army they would have been caught master shot a lot of them your masters life is in danger the man is crying sweating blood and you go to sleep and he goes and prays again any returns they fall to sleep again and again they want to know Jesus says now a friend mark tells us 1440 mark says they couldn't explain the disciples couldn't explain why they were behaving like that neither knew they what to answer him they'd be me what to answer what's wrong with you what is happening to you my life is in danger and you're going to sleep again and again so monk says Mather knew they who were to answer him what would answer what excuse would they give and looked 22:45 says and when he Jesus rose from prayer and was come to his disciples not Luke is a physician a doctor medical man of his time Luke he was not one of the twelve but he is now giving an excuse what was happening as a physician we must listen to him he says and when he Jesus rose from prayer and was come to his disciples and he found them sleeping for sorrow for so low there's a queer explanation by God I tell you you ask any medical man anybody knows anything about medicine anytime our physiology about human body you go and ask him can you sleep for sorrow anybody can you sleep for sorrow when your father is dying somebody says I'm coming to burn your house burn your father and mother down and you sleep for sorrow can you sleep for sorrow nature elaborate Allah the Creator has given to ask every human being that internal self injecting hormone adrenal the adrenal gland it's secretion to the body a hormone you can't sleep under trial tribulation turmoil you can sleep ask any lady any woman her child is sick when she goes to sleep in sorrow her husband is dying if she sleeps in sorrow or the man can sleep in sorrow when his wife is dying you see for sorrow when the life of your hero your master is in danger you see for sorrow no wealth look he didn't know anything about medicine what we know today how do you know you would not put that thing in you see the disciples of Jesus that they had everything on the house here means everything free in that upper room free food and free wine when you eat too much and you drink too much this is what happens there is no other reason you can stay for sorrow you can stay for fear the only time you can go to sleep when you get at your post in the army if you have been eating too much and drinking too much now mind what is happening around you the bombs are falling you can still go off this is what happen they go to sleep so when the Jews came with the Roman soldiers they found them napping but the nappy sleeping literally the englishman says with the pens down they were caught with the pants down the disciples they were snoring away and these guys with the Roman soldiers they just doubled over them and they're going to the garden and they want to apprehend Jesus so in the inner line of defense Christ was very close to them crying sting talking to God so they couldn't sleep so one of them say master master shall we smite them with the sword so they had sought we is more than one there are thoughts we didn't get them from Jesus told them you remember arm yourself devant what for to defend themselves against the Jews but the Jews were clever than what he thought look after his human being Tomica duomac our Allah Allah federal marketing and they plan a new plan but the best of plan is God Jesus planned in the Jews planned in this case the Jews plan was better than his they came with Roman soldiers an untrained disciple oh man what spirit you have you know overeaten turn and now comes along you know the Roman soldiers trained men and you're gonna start putting me have a fight Peter did he / the year of one of the gods and Jesus said put down your sword I said put again that sword into its place or all day that take the sword shall perish with the sword Matthew chapter 26 verse 52 didn't you know that before the boutique of the sword shall perish by the sword did you know why do you tell them the arm why the change now it's not natural once you get caught out the good general he throws in the towel the British in Singapore against the Japanese eighty-five thousand British they threw down the song the guns eighty-five thousand the biggest surrender in the history of the British Empire eighty-five thousand they surrendered to the Japanese eighty five thousand can you imagine 85,000 soldiers with all the anthon ammunition to surrender like women no don't call themselves the waiver knows where the shoe pinches the general knows better luck next time put down the sword quarter million British they fled at from Dunkirk you remember what illusion can you imagine quarter million we can't you have to see them what a million as a old woman no better luck next time 30,000 Egyptians in 1973 they were surrounded by the Jews this happens again an October group a hundred thousand Allied soldiers had to flee for their life this man great thinker you can see that now his calling and if his disciples would have any resistance each and every one would be wiped out so he said put down your sword because now he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword as a situation changes he was telling them to turn the other cheek he was telling them forgive 70 times 7 then he says now arm yourself and you find that it didn't work he said now put down your sword this is sensible man sensible jungle sensible officer being the job the Jews captured him and they take him before the Sanhedrin the learned men of the Jews and they bring false witnesses against him one after another and they can tell you in their evidence why because it's all false they making false charges against his Messenger of God and fast it's a fast it's not a trial it's a fast it's a joke so Jesus Christ couldn't tolerate it anymore so he says it says I speak openly to the world new secret doctrines with him openly to the world I ever thought in the temple and in the synagogue with the Jews always gather in secret have I said nothing that you can implicate me nothing I'll never preach anything in secret which I was not prepared to preach in public in that case you would have had hundreds of witnesses to testify against me but you're getting witnesses and they're all false they can't even tell it in the concocted evidence the argument that Jesus was putting forth was so potent that what are you trying to do so the officer who was standing by slapped him in the face shut him up what they call the third degree you know the third degree before habit Biko our Imam had it Imam Abdullah who third degree quality of the poor man gives up third degrees as a slap him in the face did that silence him a silence him no no he says if I have spoken evil bear witness of the evil but if well why smite us tell me what you're hitting me for remember that how he spoke back defended himself against the Sanhedrin that you people have come courting things and this is very unfair unjust and now you you trying to apply the third degree hitting me to silence me what's wrong with is this is this Jewish law or any law any sane law civilized law doing things like that but they were intent on doing away with the man because they had decided even beforehand that it was expedient that one man died for the nation this man young man very enthusiastic he's going to be following he can pray Komal and in the community and in that case there will be an insurrection and the Romans will come back with a crime being bound upon us and kill our Jews rather we killed this one fellow and save the mission says it is expedient not right or wrong it is expedient that one man died for the nation they had already decided upon that hook or by crook so this is about thou the Christ the Son of the Living God and he was the Christ he was the Messiah son of the Living God it was a very innocent Jewish expression God has brought sons by the tons in the Bible that question time you may ask me and I'll give them to you like that sons by the tons T ons tons in the Bible says yes so this is then his blasphemous makeover what need of me for any further evidence and he start tearing his clothes this is the demonstrate that roof is made for blasphemy kill him but they had no power they say so they take him to the Roman governor next morning when they take him there they change the charge see they said look this guy to them some I mean internally this this as blasphemy making cover for that she deserves death he is Christ meaning God son of God meaning God which means nothing like that in the language it didn't mean that but if you are looking for trouble because you don't have to go very far in any innocent expression we can find false and they found that it's a right but now they can't kill him so they take him to Pilate the Roman governor and they can tell him this man has made Kufa blasphemy with his joke he had his men goes beyond counting so another member of the Jew so what so this is known he's claiming to be Christ a king now that which in the word Christ mean a king to them is a Christ means of art it's kufur now to Pilate he's claiming to be Christ a king so Pontius pilot questions Jesus he says 'add now the King of the Jews are you are you the king he says now says that's what you say I didn't make any such claims and when it's pressed further he says may Connie Craig is new from here well me My Kingdom is not of this world me Connie Craig is needed here the word me in other words man is a spiritual Kingdom so to Pilate he said look the guy may be mad he's not right in his head but he is not a danger to the state so he comes forward and says I find no fault in the man at all he is innocent of what you people are charging him is an innocent man so they say if you let this man go you are not a friend of Caesar in others we will complain to Rome said you allow people like this to carry on and one day if it creates trouble they said look you a war so Pilate is blackmailed into giving in to the Jews but in his heart and mind the man is innocent he said I find no fault in the man at all his wife had seen a dream says a stretcher in which she was told that no harm should come to this just man she sent a message to husband look don't be anything wrong with this man is a good man on account of him had so many things happening to me see to it dialysis is innocent but what is he to do he is weak jesus said that the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak human beings are like that we know where the right is but sometimes we give him so Pilate gave him now I will learn at Christian prison the preachers they tell us that Jesus was led to the slaughter like a lamb like a sheep before he shared his gum he opened not his mouth he had say Monday knee will come out me he had Sam under knee group tomate me he opened not his mouth he opened not his mouth I am asking how did he speak ask them when they tell you he didn't open his mouth he was led like a sheep before his Shearer's is dumb like a lamb his being they slaughtered him and he'll be me open his mouth ask them how did he say if I have spoken evil bear witness of the evil but if well why smite us tell me how did the words come out from his head maybe the words come from he didn't open his mouth is the mouth shut was he a ventriloquist you know when he locust Charlie McCarthy and his doll you know he makes the doll Bo buddies I drink eyes from his throat and meeting is that knowledge talking when three localism look we believe that he gave life to the dead Jesus Christ by God's permission he healed the blind and the lepers by God's permission but I'm not prepared to believe that he was a ventriloquist he was throwing his voice underneath and you know with his mouth closed and he was making people to think that they hearing voices coming from other way other side he opened not his mouth before Pontius Pilate he said My Kingdom is not of this world where did the words come from he said he opened not his mouth you know amazing thing this born-again Christians fellow a lawyer by profession he writes a book born again he's born again and is a lawyer he writes a book in which he says I'm quoting he says Isaiah predicts about Jesus Christ one he coach he would not defend himself at his trial he would not defend himself at his trial and in bracket Jesus did not in inverted commas he opened not his mouth these are noise trained lawyers professional lawyers born-again Christians with the spirit in them and then they write these things he opened not his mouth I says please tell us how did you speak how do people did he say before God is trying so my father if it be possible let this cup pass away from me did he utter those words trial and tribulation before Sanhedrin did he speak he did why did the guys slap him because it was very potent defense he was putting up what did Pilate said why did he say I find no fault with the man because he put up a beautiful defense My Kingdom is not of this world but I know how to reason with these people I don't know very great difficulty with this type of sickness when the guy comes along to your house I tell you it is useless please tell them where is the hot Omaha jahil una Casa llama when you meet the ignorant one you say peace Salam alaikum bima cumali Adi and then you say to you your religion into my mind you go your way I go my way to see people but we are all not sick unlesss testifies in the Quran say mingle among them the Jews and the Christian there are good people Allah says so what form will fossa kun but the majority of them are perverted transgressors so there are two different ways of dealing with them I have given you this booklet it deals the how to deal with the type who comes along you know with a sickness then you must know how to get the sickness out of him otherwise open the Quran show it to him this is what Allah said this what Allah says I need to work what light will work with your tea and your persistence with your tea and your Samos it will work change them this is the destiny of Islam Allah has given it to us he says we use a hero who a Latina cuddly he's given you a Dean to master overcome and super system all OH me that will be Judaism Buddhism Hinduism christianism communism every ISM Islam is destined to master them all this is your destiny little bit of homework that is all and I made this booklet available to you to deal with the sickness how you deal with it look it's so easy once you know it's so easy the man says he opened not his mouth asked him how did he speak it was he went to elope list as a Muslim I can accept that when we look with stirring voices after his eldest crucifixion it was Sunday morning the first day of the week Mary Magdalene she goes to the truth hello that's what the Bible says and when she goes to the tomb we are asking why did she go there so the gospel says she went to anoint him so we have asked him you see this Hebrew word anoint means his Messiah Messiah means to rub to massage to anoint so we are asking the Christian he says do Jews massage big bodies after three days do they because within three hour rigor mortis sets in you know the hardening of the cells the body starts fermenting from inside such a rotting body when you massage it falls to pieces does it make sense after three days she wants upon Messiah the dead rotting body do Jews do that as the Jews they say no I say you Christian do you massage the dead bodies after three days the answer is no we Muslims you have the closest to the Jew do we massage dead bodies after three days do you you Muslims yeah closest to the Jew in every ceremonial law then why should a Jewish want to go along and wanting to massage a dead rotting body so she closed it and she she's worried about the - not a grave - and when she goes there she find that the stone is removed she was worried about the stone who's going to remove the stone she's alone the stone is removed and she looks inside the winery she's inside so she starts to cry now let us cry for our brothers and sisters at the back for a few seconds if you don't mind there is a crunch there at the back mr. chairman is that any way you can solve some problem what is it they are a few empty seats in front here for the ladies that were standing at the back with the Jameson offer the seats to these ladies if there ain't more isn't there some gents on that side that side was reserved for the ladies there our source of seats on the stage for the James please we have stopped now to help you if those people they please come to the stage I'm sorry I'm showing my back to you my business [Music] there's still some men sitting on that side please could you offer those seats to the ladies so the lady starts to cry it's an anticlimax to what she had expected Jesus was watching her from wherever he was not from heaven but from this earth you see this pump was a privately owned property belonging to Joseph of Arimathaea a secret disciple of Jesus a very rich influential Jew who could afford to carve out of a rock a big roomy chamber which according to Jim Bishop a Christian authority he says it was five feet wide by seven feet high by 15 feet deep with a Ledge or ledges inside around that Pumbaa was his vegetable garden now don't tell me that this Jew was so generous he was planting vegetables five miles out of town for other people sheep and goats to graze upon I know Jews don't do that no Christians no Muslims will do silly things like that she must have forgot his gardeners quarters people to look after his garden and perhaps his country home we're even during the weekend for his holidays with his family Jesus is there he sees this woman you know who she is and he comes up to her and he says throw war on VA we Suki says woman why weepest thou moon seekers now I'm asking doesn't he know why does he have such a silly question he knows that she's looking for him and he knows she's disappointed she's crying why does he ask such a silly question I said no no it's not a silly question actually is pulling my leg metaphorically he still got the sense of humor says fro viral DNA is okay say her hiding the detain year was she supposing him to be the gardener I said why does she supposes the guy whose erected bodies look like gardeners do that did everybody all of us when we are resurrected everybody who look like a gardener so the wife can't make out a husband she doesn't know the difference between her husband in the son-in-law she's cool I'm a grandfather and a father everybody's the same all gardeners know there is the wretched body will be you yourself everybody will recognize you it'll be the real you not this coming flat this is from flood it's changing all the time the real you the real mean you'll find you will be recognized inshallah so she's supposing the guy says sir manure as he come with a drag if you have taken him hence say for me were you home near hell ahead tell me where have you laid him to rest to relax to recuperate an Excel home retina a neck heck alone self home him not eat a dead rotting body Rathnam that I may take him away I said well what does she want to do with a dead rotting body after three days take him home put him under a bed pickle him what does she want to do with a rotting body I asked you know she's not looking for a dead rotten body she's looking for a live person she was about the only woman besides joseph of arimathea Nicodemus with given the final rites of the body of Jesus she was there so if she has seen signs of life she was not gonna shout until the twosies alive he's alive because they'll make doubly sure that they kill him so after three days she goes there and she wants to treat him help him take him away for treatment and Excel home the choke is gone too far so Jesus says Mary the way he said Mary she recognized that this is Jesus you know all of us we have our unique ways of calling of a near ones our dear ones yeah I might know your wife's name but the way you call her and the way I'm going to call that name is not the same you'll agree we have our unique ways everybody so he says Mary we said Miri she recommends she so she wants to crabby to do what to bite him no no to pay respects we hastened people and his master her master so he says rock mainly on me touch me not I say why not he see a bundle of electricity a dynamo there if she touches him she'll get electrocuted No then I said why not I said because it hurts you tell me why for I am not yet ascended and to my father as if she blind can she see the man is standing there beside her what does it mean I'm not gone up when he's here I say in the language of the Jew in the ETM of the Jew he is saying I am not dead yet so from there we find he tells her gives her advice to go and tell his brother and that she is risen so she goes and tells them an amazing thing these disciples of Jesus amazing amazing reaction mark chapter 16 verse 11 and be the disciples and they the disciples when they heard that he was alive [Music] that he was alive Li Li not resurrected this is the scripture mark 16 11 that he was alive and had been seen by her by Mary Magdalene she says she saw him alive [Music] they believe not the balance they didn't believe the woman says look I saw him is a lies and they didn't believe it why didn't they believe she's testifying that look I read to him I spoke to him and they didn't believe why would they not believe because of the back of their minds this man Jesus was dead and he stopped she's talking about a live person if she had said she seen the ghost of Jesus the spook of Jesus the spirit of Jesus they were I believe but she is not talking about spook and goes in yes she's talking about the man he's alive because they had they know they believed still is going into pigs it's in the Bible the spirit will need the pigs in 2000 a herd of them they ran down the hill and they all got drowned spirits going into pigs they saw they saw with own eyes spit his way into pigs they saw speed going to trees and tying them up from the very roots they saw they believed everything but to believe that the living Jesus is alive that they couldn't believe she said I saw his spook they would have believed his book was all right but not him I'm only quoting she she says he's alive and they didn't believe the disciples wouldn't believe he's going to Emmaus on the way to Emmaus he's got two disciples of his walking side-by-side and he's preaching to them about what had happened the previous three days five miles they walk and they still can't recognize the man ask your wife he's disguised like Paul Muni in the good old days you look like a real the king and I that was a 12 Brina you know when these guys when they take those parts you think the guys in Venetian or II in the Chinese Siam is the same is king you believe that when you see the guys on the screen you believe that the guy is a scion is king when is a European at a Jew no brainer when it accept part of Pharaoh in the ten commandments you think that he is Pharaoh he's an Egyptian no no they it's so realistic so Jesus Christ is was such a fantastic disguise he's talking with his disciples why because this guy's not because he's resurrected he's disguised so when they reach a mouse he makes it that is going to carry on so they say come come it's time to eat come and join us so he's persuaded when he is persuaded and it came to pass Luke tells us chapter 24 verse 30 and it came to pass as he sat et has he said 'i do with them he took bread and blessed it they said the manner in which he break bread the eyes were opened it means open means they recognized the man he didn't mean they were walking 5 my eyes closed look this is a figure of speech means now they recognize the man the eyes were open not that they were walking 5 by with closed eyes the eyes were open they recognized the man so when they recognized the man Jesus vanished what did he do the Indian rope trick you know going up the rope and vanishing he vanished mean he went away out of sight so these disciples they run to the upper room where they had the last supper and they find the others there they were either 8 today 8 way there and they tell them say Jesus he was with us and he sat down to eat and you know the way he was breaking bread breaking bread the way he was messing it like we say bismillah the saber Adonai Eloheinu melech ha'olam hamotzi Lechem min Haaretz this is the Hebrew way of saying this meal life of mani Rathnam get started so do we he said it they recognized that this is Jesus so he vanished you see man these guys now era danger they might go and tell everybody and I get into trouble so this run to that upper wound they telling them say Jesus she say he was with us and I can believe and they said we can't believe and in came Jesus some said he stood in the midst like that vanishing trick you know that these guys in Star Trek you seen that your TV sets you know the guys they do materialize and dematerialize somewhere and the D materialize it you think they did something like that hasn't nothing like that in King Jesus doors being shut that doesn't mean he came in through the keyhole you know like this you see sometime in film they show you know the smoke coming out and materializing into a gin gin he didn't say he threw the crevasse in the wall he crept through thing of the kind the doors were shut this was a mansion my humble home in vanilla we've got four entrances my humble home this is the mansion and Upper Room surely there were other rooms other ways and means of getting into the house I don't know how this brothers got they I don't know how they got there look at them how did they get there I don't know but there must be a way they didn't materialize and dematerialize from there there must be a way I don't know so in that Upper Room he goes in and the doors were shut up inside the disciples were terrified I am asking why were they terrified when you meet your long-lost master your uncle your grandfather we Eastern people we embrace one other we kiss one another why should the disciples of Jesus be terrified so Luke tells us that they were affrighted before they thought he was a spirit Luke chapter 24 verse 37 he thought he was a spirit I'm asking did he look like a spirit this is no then I said why should they think the man is a spirit even it didn't look like one Buzzard as I tell you why you see the disciples of Jesus they had heard from hearsay that the master was hanged on the cross they had heard from hearsay soon agree but what they had heard that he was hanged on the cross that he had given up the ghooost he had died and now he didn't hear it for three days and many said such a reputation you expect him to be stinking in his grave such a person when you see naturally a terrified see the reason why they are terrified because they were not there they were not eyewitnesses or witness to the happenings because mark chapter 14 was fifty he says for all his disciples forsook him and fled who had almal who had almal home for lot and her flock almal I am asking the Afrikaner does almal mean almal in your language does it mean all you Englishman does all mean all in your language you Zulu this bone came in bunker in your language cities so they were not there all the knowledge is I'm here say what they'd heard so now they're terrified that he's a ghost so Jesus wants to assure them that is not what they're thinking they're thinking he's a ghost he's come back from the dead so he says ke naam a Honda and my footer cake cake have a look at my hands and my feet what it is Excel that it is I myself I'm the same fellow man them fools what are you afraid of before fool and may n cake handle me and see what yes that me fleas and bianna so as the other scene data kept me but a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have so if I were flesh and bones in that case I'm not a spirit I'm not a ghost I'm not a spoke as is that what it means in your language you English man yes and you africana yes a new era so on Zulu Elijah says behold my hands and my feet in me enough that it is I myself who Sunni ones uru handle me and see my new Hollis Allah who love movies Amma for a Spirit has no flesh and bones it is so simple and straightforward but how people can be programmed brainwashed people can be brainwashed we - we must be on bad people can be brainwashed they are reading something and seeing something else they're not seeing what is there they're reading something in their own mother tongue and they somebody is making them to understand just the opposite of what they're reading just exact opposite not what a certain day but opposite he said a spirit has no flesh and bones this is pure desperation bones funny Jesus say this really does no fashion born in other word he is not resurrected he is telling them that he's not resurrected because the resurrected bodies have Spiritualized so the clever follow says who says so as a Jesus you say where as a Luke chapter 20 verse 36 we are talking about 24 36 go back four chapters you'll find it what Jesus is so what does he say I say you know the Jews we're always coming to Jesus with poses and boodles I want to make a fool of you when to make a mockery of him now they come to him they said master in the Hebrew language rabbi left chef Imam master rabbi Moody Sahib Mawlana says there was a woman among us a dress and that woman has seven husbands seven husband she had according to Jewish practice you see the Jews they had a custom that he one brother died and if he had no left left no offspring than the second fellow takes at wife and when he fails the third and when that guy failed the fourth and the fifth and the sixth and the seven seven guys had this one woman one after another but there was no problem because it was one by one now they want to know from Jesus that at the resurrection Yama Yama when all everybody wakes up same time from Adam to Eternity then seven brothers also waking up same time in they see this woman this MF ro everybody same a fro there's a war in heaven between the brothers this is mind other guys this is mine there's a fight seven brothers because they all had her they want to have it on the other side so they want to know which guy is going to have her on the other side because they all had her yeah this is what the Bible says they all had her here's what they're gonna have her on the other side who she is going to have him who will be entitled to have her on the other side in answer to that Jesus says neither shall they die anymore once there is a wretched they will be Eve not alized this is a mortal body which is what his mortal needs food shelter clothing sex rest without these things no Indians left no African has left no Malays left nothing that body will be an important body move food no shelter no clothing no sex no rest so neither shall they die anymore for their equal unto the Angels meaning they will be angel eyes they will be Spiritualized they will be spiritual creatures they will be spirits for their equivalent to the Angels and the children of God such are the children of the resurrection spirits he says when he set me free symbian sua sillas seen that a kidney spirit has no flesh and bones I am NOT resurrected ha you see simple basic knowledge why does he have to convince anybody that the spirit has no flesh and bones you don't have to prove it to an atheist or an agnostic well Hindu to a Jew anybody everybody that the speech spirits have no fashion balls because they are thinking he is a spirit he's come back from the dead sister I'm not bad how do you see you fools what's wrong with you and they believed not for joy they are overjoyed and wondered what happened so he says have you here any meat something to eat and they gave a piece of broiled fish and honeycomb and he had it honey 'm and fir Heather Walker yet and he took it any act in the very sight as it were what that is a post there is a spirit that is resurrected resurrected bodies he eat boiled fish and honeycomb do that he's proving to them the same father man what's wrong with you fools look Mary Magdalene he was alive you know the other disciples they said look he's alive they said and they believe knowledge now these ten they tell Thomas Thomas wasn't there the master was here and he ate with us no fish and honeycomb he said I will not believe there's doubting Thomas she's become famous for doubting Thomas is this was his name he said I will not believe why won't you believe because they telling him is the living jesus is alive not his ghost he said look we saw the ghost of Jesus they see them every day in those that they're seeing them every day coast about spook about spirits they're talking about him himself the man-eating piranhas fish and honeycomb he said I will not believe eight days later Jesus comes again now he's she's described how much they say Thomas Kafka he cheated that finger and behold my hands and put your hand into my side and we'll be faithless now this is my cover my lord so now the Christians say he recognized that Jesus is God and his rod here is it you know you explain you going to report me to the Special Branch the d that was preaching communism here to your communism so they come along give me harass me they give me trouble and they tell me eventually he says you know he says look it's real friend man who mr. Mohammed is that he is the guy who was you know prodding us so and I meet him he brought smiley face my benefactor my friend I say sadly my god who is he thing to do sadly my God he's my god as I Sally Allah good thing you have done Sally Allah Allah what's wrong with you people this is an experiment about the fool that I was man rather the pen disciples telling that he is alive and I said I will not believe what reason did they have to lie all the 10 he disbelieve them all why because they were telling that he was alive now you know this crucifixion it has become a joke by God it has become a joke you know the way they have been trying to tell us about what a thing it was it is not so serious as people have been preaching all along in the Philippines in the footsteps of Jesus you'll find in this book of mine page 85 don't open it now don't open it my page 85 you'll find an article from Dar es Salaam of the sunday news you'll find there Jesus's footsteps and you find in there that this crucifixion crucifixion that seven persons let me read it to you let me read it to you he says here on Good Friday at least seven cases of crucifixion were reported in the local press but the word crucifixion is in inverted commas six times in this article the word crucifixion occurred and every time in inverted commas you know what that means means they were not crucifixions it means the so called you see when it is inverted commas in level people talk about crucifixion that it was not really crucifixion in inverted commas instead of writing every time the so-called force of friction the so-called crucifixion the newspaper loses this value so they don't want to tell you but they put it in inverted commas this reporter Rick Otton you know he had the brains he knew what he was doing six times every time the word crucifixion is in inverted commas meaning it was not really the crucifixion listen on Good Friday at least seven cases of crucifixion were reported in the local press one of these was a Lucien was Luciana arias a third 23 year old factory worker and the first woman known for perform the ritual first woman got crucified but she wasn't crucified because she was alive she lives just a living see so what do you call that these Christians this attorney from mamuni a born-again Christian and this guy Josh McDowell they wrote a book and in that they are asking me the question they haven't got a word in their language for a person going on the cross and going through the ordeal and not dying would you say he was crucified when 20 years later somebody shot him or 20 years later he was hanged or five years later a motorcar knocked him down what was his aim crucified no what was happened on the cross there is no word in the English language for that - making a mockery of me I said I'll supply you the world you know this educated fools I tell you fools they haven't brought a word in their own language to tell us what happened a man is taken to the gallows the newsy spoon run his neck the Rope is pulled but before the man expires they cut the rope was the man hanged what one would give me one word in your language there isn't you haven't a word in your language to describe that is that my fault I said what it is it is not crucifixion in inverted commas it is crucifixion these are fictions taking place these are fairytales son so a woman now a woman is doing that she did it first woman to do that the crucifixion son shown live on television they show them alive on television have now become the climax of Easter week in the Philippines in some cases they attract thousands of visitors to provincial towns the atmosphere is a blend of carnival and deep mourning something suggestion for our Christian brother here what about connecting something here in CDs or somewhere around here in Ponyville look you'll get thousands of people coming along to see the fun they are doing it in the Philippines they're getting themselves hung on the cross nail nail and they're not buying this piece they bring it for kicks you know chicks for enjoyment for pleasure one man fainted after being removed from the cross he had to be carried to him waiting bus another was up and smoking a cigarette as soon as his hands were bandaged these are the crucified people who defiled and crucified who is he victim did not crucified who's affected and what's taking place is crucifixion fic tion fiction not f IX iron is not crucifixion it is cruci fiction fic th the fiction is taking place and they're doing the real thing not like what they do in films they just try and show you as if the man is getting you know like these films you see Jesus of Nazareth the day of triumph King of Kings they show the man you know going through the audience is all acting play-acting this is no plaque thing they will go through the real thing but this is crucifixions they are fiction there are crucifixions one of them mario baptists a 33 year old when dad had gone through the ritual for the fifth time he was crucified five times already for the fifth time every year he's going through the process and like the back adore penitence he prongs to return next year he said he had vowed to perform the crucifixions for ten years after his wife recalled from cancer ten years he's going to be 10 times every year he get crucified he's getting crucified he is getting crucified and these are crucifixion fictions you know fable fiction these are fictions taking place no you don't have to go all the way to the Philippines tufa to in Natal there you see on page 36 and 56 of the book I gave you pictures of a man in Natal in Newcastle crucified man hung on the cross and he did do something more than the Filipinos do he put a spike through his tie also to show that the man has mind over matter is proving that you know the mind where it can be and he's a bad man from the birth from the bogan africana he's done it hitting on the floss and goodies he was crucified what would his fault that the newspaper crucified man hang on cross was he crucified priests bad news to kill the man is a lie one word I said he was being fictive and these are crucifixion this is what fi x io n you must call them fiction is a crucifixion they're playing with the game and now the Christians they give you a choice they give you a choice is born again that spirit is coming into them you'll find that this man here of the Campus Crusade he publishes a book the resurrection factor in that book on page 47 he shows as Jesus Christ on the cross after 1,000 hours of actual study on the crucifixion he comes along with this picture you got the book if you haven't on the bat when you go out you must get the book it's absolutely free you owe it to yourself you must have it his Lord and Savior you put him up like a frog you'll see the page 47 you see he's like a frog on the cross actually like a frog so I'm asking now is this froggy fiction as illustrated here Allegra frog I didn't do it this is the Campus Crusade publication page 47 is like a frog you see there on page 47 if you have the book open it and see page 47 will you mistake it when you go out like a frog page 47 huh or 80th and I'm sorry this is 47 of his book his book in his book page 47 I'm sorry yes all right Friday for a froggie fiction as in page 87 then we see the Jehovah's Witnesses they getting the cross stuck in the throat the Jehovah's Witnesses so this is no the Lord was take a fight he was put on a stake a totem pole you find that on page 74 he's put on a stake like that not like this like that see that page 74 so now that is taking fiction look they're giving you a choice you can take your choice now what froggie fiction or steaky fiction or crucifixion on page 33 will show you that he was not nailed page 33 you see what a choice what a choice the Christians are giving you now take your choice either your Lord was foggy victim or whether he was take effect 'add or whether he was cross affected what the choice they're giving you numerous choices see for yourself we didn't do it we are not theorizing we don't say what happened what not if this is what you're telling us like a frog like a steak or like a cross what did you do what happened now I will give you a quick summary I'll give you a quick summary number one that this crucifixion is a fiction that it didn't happen the way the Christians claim those things didn't happen number one he was reluctant to die he didn't he didn't come prepared to come for any type of sacrifice Luke chapter 22 verse 36 you'll find he's preparing for a fight he had he come to die there was no need for him to tell his disciples to go and arm themselves number two he besieged caught for help Matthew chapter 26 verse 39 number 3 God heard his prayers Hebrews chapter five verse seven number four an angel of God came to strengthen him Luke chapter 22 verse 43 Pilate finds Jesus not guilty he's good reason to keep Jesus alive John chapter 18 verse 38 number six pilots why have shown a dream in which she was told that no harm should come to this just man in the other words that you should be saved alive Matthew chapter 27 verse 19 number 7 supposed to be on the cross for only three hours according to the system invoke no man could die by crucifixion in so short a time which means that even if he was fastened to the cross he was a lie number eight the other to his cross mate on the on the respective process way a lie so Jesus too for the same period of time must be a lie John chapter 19 verse 32 but when they came to Jesus and saw that he was dead already so what that he was dead already as you know on page page that the six and thirty 37 and 38 I give you a list of 11 different persons in the newspapers were certified dead and they were not dead by doctors with stretcher scoffs they were pronounced dead and they were not that they came back to life and there is a society in England I've given you the picture of the Society of people who have come back from the dead with the old resurrected no but they were said if I did this man seeing a person in the process he thought he was dead and he saw that he's dead already I said what does it mean and so when doctors make mistakes in the fruits care hospital way Chris banner operates a white woman has put said if I didn't put it in the matcha tea next morning she came out a lie when you make mistakes by the day said if any people did when they are not dead what this means that he was dead already so I said Jesus was John 1933 that there was a mistake in seeing number 9 encyclopedia Biblica and the article cross column 960 says that when the spear was thrust Jesus was alive we didn't read the Encyclopedia Biblica number 10 and when they launched him on the side with the spear so forthwith they came out blood and water which is a sign of life number 11 his legs not broken as a fulfillment of prophecy as the legs can be of any use only if Jesus was a lie and this is the fulfillment of prophecy says the Christian he keepeth all his bones not one of them is broken Psalms chapter 24 verse 20 number 12 there was a thunderstorm earthquake and darkening of the Sun all within three hours to despoil to disperse the sadistic mob where enable his secret disciples to help keep him alive number thirteen the Jews doubted his death they suspected that he had escaped death on the cross that he was alive [Music] now the next day the next day they go to Pilate the chief priests and Pharisees come to get into Pilate saying sir we remember so-and-so and we don't want to make another mistake like we had made in the first that the last error shall be worse than the first error what was the first error they made you know what they allowed the body to come down without breaking his legs now they want to make doubly sure but they miss the bus the Jews missed the bus you know yesterday last night there was in the address that they didn't miss the bus in Palestine you know within 24 seconds 25 seconds they killed three Arabs and you know who are out to do some terrorist business they kill three they didn't miss the bus there but here in the Bible to chapter 27 verse 62 to 64 they missed the bus because the next day they go along to make the sepulchre secure next day after the horse has bolted you go and lock the gate there's something wrong with you the Bible says next day Pilate number 14 Pilate marvels to hear that Jesus was big it's the Pilate marvelled if he were already dead and calling to him the Centurion he asked him whether he had been any wild ed mark chapter 15 verse 44 you only marvel if you know the thing that they're talking didn't happen if you take a man to a firing squad and you put six bullets through him and if he dies there's nothing to Marvel but if he didn't die you Marvel now Pilate marvels that look no man can die within three hours in other words according to the experience that man is alive number 15 billion broome ashamed big roomy chamber close at hand and began 84 willing hands to come to the rescue Providence was out to keep Jesus a lie number 16 stone and winding sheets had to be removed only necessary if Jesus was alive John chapter 20 verse 1 number 17 report on the winding sheets German scientists who carried out experiments on the Shroud of Turin said that the Heart of Jesus had not stopped functioning that he was a lie number 18 he was ever in disguise these guys not necessary if Jesus was resurrected only necessary if it was alive John chapter 21 was for number 19 he forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him touch me not for this reason that it would hurt because he was alive John chapter 20 verse 17 number 20 not yet ascended unto my father in the language of the Jew in the idiom of the Jew he was saying I am not dead yet in other words I am alive John chapter 20 verse 17 number 21 Mary Magdalene not afraid on recognizing Jesus because she had seen signs of life before she was looking for Jesus who was a lie John chapter 20 verse 16 number 22 his disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper all that knowledge about the crucifixion was from hearsay therefore they could not believe that Jesus was alive to help Alma from Charlotte and her flock they were not there number 23 at food again and again in his post crucifixion appearances food only necessary if he was a lie Luke chapter 24 verse 43 number 24 never showed himself to his enemies because he had escaped that by the skin of his teeth he was a lie number 25 took only shot trips because he was not resurrected not spiritual eyes but alive given to Emmaus he went to the upper room back again after eight days he only took short trips because he was not resurrected otherwise it would burn up in heaven no sense in going and coming back up and down up and down not from heaven - down and up above he's going around in and around Jerusalem all the time number 26 testimony of men around the pool they say why seek ye the living among the dead why are you looking for a live person among the people in the cemetery Luke chapter 24 verse 4 and 5 that he is not dead but alive why seek ye the living among the dead number 27 testimony of the Angels the angels say the angels were said that he was alive that hey lever that hey lever that he's alive what are you reading the Angels what did they say that is resurrected no he said that hey lever he is alive listen no he is not alive is dead he did not say resurrected but the actual word uttered by the Angels was alive Luke chapter 24 verse 23 28 Mary Magdalene testifies they heard that he was alive and had been seen by her they believe not mark 16 11 mary did not watch for a spook or a ghost or spirit of jesus but alive jesus what they could not believe was that the master was alive mark 16 11 number 29 dr. primrose his senior anesthetist of the Royal Glasgow infirmary he says that the water in the blood was an account of scourging by stage and upset of the newest vessels that which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive and now the last and final one for tonight Jesus had himself for PO that he was going to remain alive ma Matthew chapter 12 verse 38 39 40 he himself had told that he was not to die that is his prophecy the Jews come to him again David coming again and again making a mockery of in the master rabbi mister on Swiss rock at you can find in seeing the master we would have a sign of thee we want you to show us a miracle to convince us that you are the man we are waiting for you are all Messiah Jesus Antwoord and safer holla laughter and were spelling us as laughs sukhna a chicken in korean chicken salon home Sofia would me evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign but they shall no sign be given unto it except the sign of the prophet Jonah went sua seola breda and renata in the Hat from the Ruth viswas so shall be seen from the man's breda and three nafta in the heart from the ad obvious for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth the only sign is that I'm prepared to give you is this the sign of Jonah and we are asking of a Christian brother what was that saying you know what was the sign of Jonah go to the Book of Jonah this is the Book of Jonah this is the Book of Jonah one page in the Bible I enlarge it for you it's hard to find but you find it you don't have to even go to it if anybody has been to Sunday school he knows the whole story this is the book this is the book of jonah i am not exaggerating there is only one page in the Bible called The Book of Jonah this one here front and back for short chapters it won't take you two minutes to read it but you don't have to do that you everybody knows the story the him who knows it the Christian knows it the Muslim knows it the Jew knows it everybody knows about Jonah Jonah in the way so Jesus says the sign the miracle that I'm going to show you is the miracle of Jonah so we are asking what miracle did you now perform so you could with the Book of Jonah and you read there that Jonah was sent to the Ninevites a city called Nineveh of a hundred thousand people god almighty tells him go to Nineveh and warn the people that they must repent in sackcloth and in ashes meaning they must humble themselves before the Lord but Jonah instead of going to Nineveh he goes to Joppa and he's running away he's been to perish because he's despondent that these materialistic people wicked and adulterous generation of his time they will not listen to me so presumptuously he is running away and exodus a sperm and according to the supership superstitions of these people anybody who runs away from his master's commentary such a drama let's see so they began to question who can be responsible so Jonah Yunus has at unisza Rossella Jonah now realizes that he's the guilty man because he's running away from his master's command so he volunteers is a look I'm the guilty man God is after my blood and he's gonna sink the boat to kill me and in the process you innocent people will die you rather take me and you throw me overboard it'll be all right for you he makes a manly comeback they say no no no you might be wanting to commit suicide you want us to help you no we have our own system finding out right from wrong what is called casting of lots like he wrote a and according to that system it came to the turn of Jonah that Jonah was the guilty man so they took him and they threw him overboard so you're asking of a Christian brethren that when they threw him overboard was a dead oversea alive but we make it easy for them we have to tell them that this man volunteered and when a man volunteers you don't have to strangle him before praying when a man volunteers you don't have to spear him before throwing when a man volunteers you don't have to break his arm or limb before throwing him away he wasn't it eases through me so when they threw him overboard was he did or was he alive what do you say what do you say tell me quickly a lie a little more loud I want to hear it from your mouth a lie a fish comes in gobble him up they don't like a lie from the fish's belly he's praying to God for help do deaf people pray no so he was a lie three days and three nights the fish takes him run the ocean dead or alive alive on the third day one with him on the seashore a lie look Jesus said for as Jonah was socialism of man be the moon America he didn't say blind but him as I healed him you wrote that woman with issues she was bleeding for ages and she touched when she got healed you know those two thousand pigs I destroyed you know the fig tree I dried it up from its very roots nothing you know less as I brought him back from the dead nothing the only sign I'm giving you is the sign of Jonah what happened to Jonah is going to happen to me the miracle of Jonah is my miracle so we are asking how was Jonah dead or alive and the Jew says he was alive and the Christian say he was alive and the Muslims say he was alive for three days and three nights the man was alive through in true it's a miracle it's a miracle that you throw a man into a raging sea and he doesn't die it's a miracle a fish gobbles a man he ought to die he didn't die it's a miracle three days and three nights suffocation and heat in the wheels but here to die it's a miracle it's a miracle of a miracle of America can you see even possibility but that's what makes it a miracle yes I now ask of a Christian brother how was Jesus in the tomb for three days and three nights one thousand two hundred million Christian they say he was dead is that like Jonah in your language or unlike Jonah in your language is that sua seola or nice was Jana handsome in your language the man says once was Runa sua seola like Jonah Jonah yes I said in your language please tell me you are telling me Jesus it will be like Jonah you are telling he was unlike Jonah so who's speaking the truth your Jesus who is speaking the truth is Jesus a lying or you are lying tell me now who between the two of you the thousand million Christians or Jesus Christ who is not speaking the truth will you please tell us he said he'll be like Jonah and you stand as the only miracle no no no no no no they say he said no he was emphasizing the time factor can't you see he said for as Jonah was three days and three nights so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights he uses the word three four times to emphasize the time factor I said look there's nothing miraculous about a time factor three days and three nights is not a miracle the miracle is we expect the men to die and he doesn't die that's a miracle you know the first time I came to your country beautiful Mother City you know it took me three days and three nights in the Train that old train or in Express three days so it's a miracle the miracle of the dad took him three days and three nights is that a miracle it took me three days and three rise to take three days and three nights it's a nonsense silly and how can you talk like that yes how can I provide that is that there's nothing miraculous about three days and three night or three weeks and three years what it is that the man drowning man clutching at straws whole salvation is depending on this so since the day the night and day is no it's a time factor all right time factor when was he crucified so he say Friday afternoon how long was he on the cross some say three hours some say six hours I said whatever you say I accept you know the Jews were in a hurry to put him up you know why because of the general public he was a hero to the people he was a hero and if your hero's life is in danger there could be a riot people things that can go out of hand so before that happens quickly quickly hurry hurry hurry they want to hang him up but when they put him up according to the Scriptures they're now in a hurry to bring him down you know why because of the Sabbath and Friday at sunset according to the Jewish calculation it is Saturday we are now Saturday according to choose this is Sunday we are in Sunday night according to Islamic calculation we are in Sunday night but for you say we say Saturday night meters otherwise you get confused so before sunset on Friday they had to bring the body down and they say they brought it all right and they gave me a burial wash which takes a couple of hours according to this Campus Crusade author a couple of hours and I put one hundred pound weight of medicals around the man camphor and frankincense and 100 pounds he says don't put it like that hundred pounds and then they put a winding sheets around him by the time they finished is already evening so Friday night in the evening they supposed to have put him into the Sbrocco right and the whole Christian world says right so Friday night he's supposed to be in the grave I said watch my fingers he says right he said right Saturday day time his be what Jesus divided the day into day and night part so we do the same Saturday day he still supposed to be in the grave right he's a right Saturday night he still supposed to be in the grave right he's right Sunday morning first of the week Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb in the previous empty right this is right so how many days in how many nights believe me that the Lord man the born again is looking between my two hands as what's wrong can't you see look at this man no he can't is puzzled you know why weather once was you not really dying dream Napa than the - when the fruit trees was so salty sinful man really died and dream after is sin for as Jonah was three days and three nights so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights he had seen that now when he sees this is puzzled something has gone wrong he's gonna get caught so he can't says he's making me can make up his mind I said look I will help you look I said supposed suppose suppose you know why because you could have come out Friday night around there was this vegetable garden and this secret disciples all mentioned but because the Bible doesn't say we won't say so watch again Friday night right Saturday day right Saturday night right Sunday morning he's not there right this is right how many days in how many nights is two nights in a day look given an Einstein can't help you here so he failed again a second time he said he'd be like Jonah you say his no unlike Jonah you say the Christians is unlike Jonah that mean one of you is lying either Jesus Christ or you you must decide between the two of you who is the liar number three you said he said three and three and you only see two and one he failed a second time so now this plain truth people you know the plains Armstrong family Armstrong these Armstrong family they say no there is no such thing as a good friday this is the pagan idea these are pagans this Easter is pagan Christmas is pagan who says the plain six million copies a month they give our free beautiful magazine you soiled beautiful magazine look at this free absolutely free they say that it was a good Wednesday when Christ was crucified not a good Friday it was a good Wednesday see you must count backwards from Sunday morning count backwards so when you cut backwards you minus three and three then you get good Wednesday so now you start going forward you'll get Sunday morning three and three you'll get it fulfilled so it's a good Wednesday absolutely my people I'm telling you now you must be on God because this magazine is very programs as sooner or later all the Christians will opt for this I'm telling you and when that happens our government is going to change Good Friday to good Wednesday and I want to tell you that event that happens if I'm alive I will come down from Durban and we will march on the Parliament House and I want you to follow me on the Parliament House protesting that we don't want to change Good Friday you know why because of Good Friday we get the maximum number of people coming to all messages [Music] no you know people fire and while they're working here and there we can't get together on Fridays a lot of her people can't even come for Juma but on good Fridays no excuse and our Imam got extra pang the lecture to us know then when it's Good Friday we get four days holiday it was good Wednesday you will never get four days holiday so won't you match with me on the volumen house yes we must protest so I'm asking this head of this movement he was in Durban mr. fait so I said now very Christians the Laputa when these new things come out their lap it up they all lap it up no they don't ask question and they won't answer questions this Christians they go along one to deliver lectures but they will not allow themselves to be questioned we say common question as go ahead folks I know privately in tough times I am asking him as a lute man it sounds very beautiful this good wins the business of yours but how is it that the Roman Catholics for 2,000 years you know they say they have an unbroken chain of popes how is it that they were deceived and the thousand million Christians are all deceived I saw who deceived them they don't know the difference between a good fight and a good Wednesday would deceive them so he says the devil he said the devil deceived them I said if the devil can deceive the Christians in such a simple thing about the good wins they are a good Friday how much easier for the devil to deceive you in more important things of the Spirit in the more important things of God what is the devil worried about Wednesday or Friday what does it hurt you where does it hurt him nobody will hurt him that instead of worshiping the one true God he makes you to worship that created creature a created being that would hurt him so if he's successful in elementary things how much easier for him to succeed in the serious things of life so my dear brothers and sisters we have given you the literature and we have given you the format how to go about doing the job you have to memorize some of these verses see this is kay-kay now my hand and my footer month disease Excel memorize it in Afrikaans and memorize it in English so your Afrikaans is improving your English is improving and you are doing a double job every time you're quoting you're giving a two-hit in Afrikaans and English Afrikaans and English you are privileged Allah has given you that privilege you are all bilingual so do it bilingually learn the verses in Afrikaans learn it in English and the people that you're talking to also they are bilingual to blows Afrikaans English African English may I wish you the best wish you all the success in this work of Dawa it is possible that in our life then we can change this country it's possible you just do a little bit of homework a little exertion and Allah will do the rest for you because we don't have to apologize for anything you know unless put us in that such a position you don't have to apologize for anything at every step this is the Christian who has to apologize for his religion he must apologize for his Bible he apologizes for his Trinity he apologize for everything he has to apologize you don't have to apologize for anything so go to town and this is a privilege Allah has given us we use here equality Nakula Allah says it's true yo has given you a Deen master who will come and supersede every other way of life laughter with the one and in some delight of anatomy thank you very much mr. Deedat for a very lively lecture we also thank each and every one of you who is come here tonight to listen to it we would like to remind you that the free literature that you had been given should please be passed on to your friends particularly if we have taken more than one copy of any one particular kind the translations of the Quran in English and Afrikaans of a sail 750 each 214 reigns the normal price 2015 reigns for two and ten grains each of recon strands Latian five rains per copy tonight it is for rains we also like to bring your attention to the fact that the tape the cassette tapes will be ready they are some already completed and the videos will be completed in about three weeks from now we have here though for sale already a video recording of the program on sa TV s ABC TV Islam and Christianity which is a copy of the debate that took place this 25 rains when you finish with it and give it back okay 225 rains so also for the videos of the series right to Durban send you 25 reigns get your copy once you've seen it shown your friends made your 10 copies send it back you get your 25 reigns it is now the lecture is over there are many people who understand that if I go to a lecture I expect to have the lecture ended and then I go home it's arranged to have a question time yeah we do have a question time but I say if this gathering has been organized by us then I do believe that we reserve the right to state the format we will allow questions we will allow you to come and make a statement we will allow you to come and point out a correction and yet the statement and the correction if you know how to phrase it you can turn it into a question - but you're free to come and make a statement or a correction and even the question we do not see this as a debate we do not see this as mudslinging or an argument if you want to debate please on any of these subjects hire a hole in for mr. Deedat inform the thousands of the public and let him sweat it out with you but please not a debate here if there is any question that you have please ask it here I beg of you do not ask the question outside the man is tired it is late and I also ask all Muslim brethren please do not participate in questions outside tonight now us next fight a tyranny I don't believe that we can gain anything from it I also ask the audience that if somebody puts a question and an answer is given to him we can't put his question please don't laugh we are tolerant on the other hand people putting up from the microphone please don't become emotional all questions must pertain to the topic that was on the discussion tonight I think that is fee if there I remind you now of the lectures on Monday night and on Tuesday night let alone Civic Center Monday night and at Kensington Civic on Tuesday night if there is any question please come to the microphone here this more than one question or somebody to point out the correction you can stand behind I will be as tolerant and as considerate as possible but I will stop you and I will ask you please to sit down if you go beyond the limits thank you yeah instead of wasting time if there is another question you question you can queue up mr. Ahmadi that the word crucifixion with a C tion where did you get that word course why I went to the library and I picked taked out I heave Arabic dictionary with English and I was looking and I don't find it in all the other dictionaries because here I have it in the tool is written to prove it there is no other word as you have said thank you you see I am solving the problem for the Christians they do not have a word in their language the Oxford Dictionary hasn't got it the Webster dictionary has imported in the languages of the Christian world there is no such word that a man goes on the cross he goes through all the process and he doesn't die one word one word for that is non-existent in any Western language so therefore I am trying to get them out of the misery they are in a misery you listening I want you to listen because now what I am talking you want to talk please and have patience when you spoke I just sat down gave you a full chance not just listen so I want to get the Christians out of their misery of not finding a word they are putting them in inverted commas that book that is given to you see there six times crucifixions in inverted commas so what is the inverted comma for that means it is not crucifixion and what is it so therefore I said look because you don't have a word I am finding it for you and very soon it can happen in the next Oxford Dictionary you'll find this word coming in because they didn't think of it I am thinking and I'm giving it to you I am putting that word in your mouth now whenever you say about that as a fiction you see it Funderburk what happened to him was there was it was he crucified so it says no what happened when he was affected so you learn the word from me if you keep on using that the Oxford Dictionary in the Webster dictionary and they're all they'll have to start adopting taking our word and putting it into the dictionary because they didn't think of it before that's how many words I mean so this is my creation thank you next question if please could you speak into the microphone could you speak into the house I will do that this mr. duet are you aware that the soon in theatres soon in theory that clients wound up on the cross or fainted upon the cross was first put forward by a man named venturina some 200 years ago it has been resuscitated in recent times by a Muslim sect called the immediate the next question will be sorry sorry I'm sorry is there a question yeah so one question at a time please three so you can answer three one time it's the same thing all right but I mean I'm not giving a pun but I wouldn't like a trinity of Christians that's one please alright alright yes for the next question it will be invite take it a place of the back here if you have heard me correctly tonight everything that I have been proving to you was from the Christian Bible I never used the word swoon in all my life in all my lectures from lecturing for more than 20 years now but I never used the word swoon at any time I'm only telling you that Mary Magdalene says that he is a lie the angel said that he's alive the poolman that we around the tomb they say he's alive so I'm only using your scripture exactly as it says I don't go for intrusion and I don't go for Mirza Ghulam Muhammad for anybody else the Bible which you have in your hand I have used it and now you tell me now where I have gone wrong in using your Bible to prove my case that Christ was not crucified thank you the lady please into the microphone mister D dad actually these actually quite a few things that it is which you have made tonight in twisting the Word of God saying things of the Word of God you that made a mockery of the Word of God and Christianity which we as Christians wouldn't do of Islam and the Holy Quran and that breaks my heart tonight but what I would like to do is to just read the verses of the Word of God you've really been studying the Word of God I'd like to know what we have to say on these just these three verse which are chartered and amongst many others but the time is not they Philippians chapter 2 verse 8 and being found in fashion as a man he humbled himself and became obedient unto death even the death of the cross and in in John chapter 11 verse 25 we read Jesus said unto her this was to Martha with the raising of Lazarus Lazarus I am the resurrection and the life he that believeth in me though he were dead shall I live and also in Revelation the last book in the Bible chapter 1 verse 18 we read jesus said I am he that liveth and was dead and behold I am Alive for evermore thank you very much the only verse which has any connection with the subject of this evening's discussion was the last verse quoted from the book of Revelation where Jesus is supposed to be telling to John in a dream in a vision that I was dead and now I live forevermore that's the only place in the whole Bible where Jesus after such a world during his post crucifixion appearances as recorded in the Gospels he never used the word that I had died and have come back from the dead never this is the only place and this is a dream a vision that John had seen and in dreams we dream anything and more specially in the book of Revelation you read about the Beast you know and the beasts had eyes how many eyes are outside and had eyes inside and eyes outside it has seven horns this is something you know it is not historical it is not factual an imagination of man and we all it happens to me sometimes when I eat too much then you have these dreams this indigestible thing too much meat and you go to sleep and then you dream you have nightmares so this is like a man who is dreaming but I still claim make Bowl to say that Jesus Christ while he walked this earth he never used the word at any time telling anybody anywhere that I was dead and now have come back from the dead he's proving to the contrary that I'm alive I'm alive I'm the same fellow eating food have the need of food and shelter and hiding from the Jews afraid of the Jews simply because he died and he didn't conquer depth because if he had died and if you had conquered death they would have been no need for him to be afraid anymore because the resurrected bodies can't die twice who says so the Bible he says it is ordained unto all men once to die and after that the judgment but because he didn't die he had every reason to be afraid and terrified every reason for a disguise that's the only connection that your quotation had with the subject of this evening stop madam next question please but even English gentleman good evening mr. Chaidez first of all I would like to get an invitation when you get to doctorate because he invented few new words I think it would be quite interesting to get you know to the ceremony when you get to know your doctorate because he invent a few new words thank you and you mentioned a few things tonight concerning spirits made some very strong statements here that an a a spirit cannot eat cannot be seen etc now I would like to refer the audience and yourself to surah 19 verse 17 the surah of Mary here we see he breed we send unto her our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a prophet of the perfect man in other words we read here clearly that God send a spirit and it appeared in the likeness of a man in other words this man was seen this man was hurt and most probably even could have been touched we gathered all about that but you told us many fairy tales we can assume this also I think tonight and so I think you know we must ask the question do we yet the question we ask the question do we believe the Quran is do you believe the Quran is your guidance as revelation then don't talk in this way about the spirits and about a resurrected Christ Christ then we must also ask the question whom do we give more authority a word of a man or a word of jibraíeel a word of an angel it says in the holy quran or it says in the Bible when Jesus was risen the tomb was row the stone was rolled away from the tomb Mary Magdalene she saw an angel inside and the angel said he is risen do you believe more an angel or a woman who comes and tells people he is alive right thank you now if you know your Bible and it seems that you know your Bible - well you read in your Bible that the disciples of John came to Jesus to ask him are you the one that cometh or do we seek or wait for another that word disciples of John in your original good Bible which I take you have it you read there the Greek word there is a jealous and a jealous means angels this is in the Scofield Bible if you wanna have a look the word there in Greek is e de los and EDI laws means angels so but you when your translators when you're translating for the disciples of John you don't say the angels of John what do you say the disciples of John when it suits you that the person is angelic you are an angel so when it suits you you translate angel as an angel and when it suits you you translate angel as disciples so who was this inside that's Mary say that this creature had wings this angel had wings when you go to the Quran you said that the person that came the angel came to her as a perfect man a man in all respects in other words in appearance it appears like a man if he appeared like an electromagnetic wave can you imagine what would happen to Mary if he appeared like an elephant you know what would happen to her so the natural thing God Almighty does is he when he is sending his message to anybody he makes that person to receive so he appeared as a man the angels can appear man but Jesus Christ is proving to the contrary he is telling that and I'm not what you are thinking he says a spirit has no flesh and bones you are thinking that I'm a spirit he said I am NOT that because if I was I wouldn't have this simple logic he's proving to the and he's eating food to prove what that I'm the same fellow man what's wrong with you I'm not that apparition he asked me some questions man I didn't ask you any question I'm telling you I'm telling you this this is my statement to you he notified body as such he could eat but he didn't hit my brother I take it you know the rhetorical question Ryan that was a rhetorical question me anything mr. chairman and ladies and gentlemen I would like to correct three or four statements could we make it three all right and then I'd like to ask a question at the end all right mr. Deedat you offered 20 rent to ask the people who accorded and all a shortlist the statement bring the people here there are my sliding and you quoted that Jesus mentioned that in Luke chapter 19 but if you read that scripture properly you would have noted that Jesus was with was actually telling the people a parable about a monster and asking his servants what they did with a talent said he gave them and at the end of the parable the master said bring the people here there are mice lay them and the second little comment that I would like to make during your Jase you quoted Jesus is praying in the garden of gethsemane and you said that the angel trying to strengthen him and then you put in your own words which a Bible does not have translation desert that they came to his rescue now how did you jump to a conclusion like that that the angel came to strengthen them in order to come to his rescue Thank You doubt it and weep it is difficult for me yeah to follow all the questions to give an answer I think it must be pretty difficulty also way to fix it now it's made to correction which is going to reply to God so if you stop the input your question then it would be fear okay now my question is unrelated to that but very much related to your dress you said that Mohammed had the revelation in the Bible that Jesus was not crucified and neither did he die and you said that Allah revealed that to him now no other witnesses you are taking that statement from one man and apparently according to my little knowledge about Islam and the Quran Muhammad went to his wife and she does news weather but in the Bible says what he said it Muhammad SAW Allah Allah wa sallam then went to his wife you know Khadija and I'll be pleased with her and said I have seen this I wear this revelation but in the Bible after Jesus had risen from the dead if you look in that same chapter Luke chapter 24 when he from first I write it down you from verse you know 45 and it is in another place other than that revelation scripture when he expressed that he had to die he actually mentioned that word death at that stage also and in Corinthians the Bible says that he appeared through the 12 first and then to 500 people they after now let me explain just one thing to you could we get the question that is the question because Muhammad had no witnesses Jesus had 500 witnesses right and more now who is more to believe the Bible or Koran right thank you very much we do not have to go into the pros and cons of the Bible or the Koran you see I have used your scripture Jesus himself is proving that I am NOT what you are thinking again and again he's in disguise Mary Magdalene can recognize it his disciples can recognize him when he returns their disciples are terrified every reason I'm giving you the reason for the fear is because they had no first-hand knowledge all the knowledge is from hearsay when you come to talking about parable that Jesus Christ was leaving a parable a parable is a story form of something that is actually is describing what is the parable about he had told his disciples that they were going to sit on twelve Thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel not so it was so so while he is going to Jerusalem he's giving them the parable that to be a given certain talents each and everyone was given certain opportunities if you do not carry out the opportunity don't fulfill it all these things will be taken away from you you are given so many talents what do you do with it you are given so many opportunities what he will do with it and now comes the supreme opportunity of establishing the kingdom of God and the Bible said he was immediately appear it wasn't immediately to appear so in that context and is marching to Jerusalem he is marching to Jerusalem and is telling for those my enemies who what is the pattern of art whose enemies what is the parable for he is telling them that look this is it for my enemies who would not that I should reign over them who's this other person who wants to reign over the people and who is telling them that they should kill the people if they don't allow them to rule oh he is talking about himself he stuff he's talking about who God is coming along to reign over them this is not the enemies of God he had to one bring he's gonna tell you and me bring my enemies God is so powerless that he's depending on you and me that he's gonna bring his enemies before him and slay them before me he hasn't got people to do the job however you see you have quoted so many things that each and everything calls for a lecture when you talk about one witness muhammad is testifying that god almighty has revealed this play now will take anybody's witness Matthew Mark Luke or John you find that Matthew you say he bore witness Matthew Mark Luke and John and you find that Matthew didn't right Matthew must be like Matt Luke being like Luke and John didn't like John this is this is in your Bible he says the Gospel according to st. Matthew the Gospel according to st. mark the Gospel according to st. Luke the Gospel according to st. John and I have been asking learn admins of your religion one point what is this according according according in other words this is what you assume you see when you read the internal evidence of the book that you are quoting take matthew matthew 9:9 you find Matthew didn't write it he says while he Jesus was going forth into the way he saw a tax collector called Matthew and he Jesus came up to him telling him Matthew follow me Jesus and he Matthew followed him Jesus let ask any school child whose pocket is Matthew talking this or is Jesus talking this whose word that is so is neither Matthew nor Jesus nor God this is somebody speaking from hearsay this is the type of witness that you have got one man clapping the other wholesale and this is what your JB Phillips says the pre boundary of the Chi Chester Cathedral in England he says that early tradition ascribed this gospel to the Apostle Matthew but scholars nowadays almost all reject this view that means Matthew didn't even write Matthew so this is the work of the books that you are quoting my friend this book the Quran is God's Word and Monday night I'm proving to you people anybody everybody visually that this is the Word of God and if God says Jesus said the disciple is not greater than the master he God Almighty when he speaks his word is more authoritative than the billions of mankind the word of Jesus is more authoritative than the billions of the Christians Jesus says you remember that I will be like Jonah that's what Jesus said and you are telling me you're not answering any of my questions at all for one and a half hour I have been proving to you from your book jesus said this and I said jesus said that jesus said he'll be like Jonah and you say he's not like Jonah why don't you prove that look he is like Jonah I said Jesus said he'll be like Jonah and you saying he is unlike Jonah jesus said we'll be three days and three nights and you say is two and one why don't you settle that problem there is the problem about the crucifixion you are getting into side lines giving prophesies after the event you know what is cinemax event two prophecies after the event the books were written decades after the event you know that it was not written in the lifetime of Jesus not one word was written in his lifetime nor did he instruct anybody to write the word this is the whole the worth of the whole testimony that you have got so one point please excuse me the fellow with the green shirt I'm a Muslim but I stand here I try to be as impartial as possible Ron only person that intetics you is myself if you perhaps take too long to put your question I don't think mr. data does could you please not interject any answers right and you were too short you like me please put the mic down please I would like to ask when a person becomes a cabinet maker or a carpenter they are laws to obey and principles before you can you can't just take a piece of wood otherwise you wouldn't know what to do so the Bible teaches us that to interpret the scriptures that it's only by the Holy Spirit that we can interpret the Scriptures and you can only have the Spirit of God when you obey the god when you obey the Lord in other words when a big God's Word like for instance you will know about Muhammad if you obey the Quran so you can talk about Walmart I just want to read to you to tell it you are putting a question now yeah well as we make my point clear yeah in 1st 2nd Peter chapter 1 was 21 for though now you must look to speak into the microphone for low prophetic a message ever came just from the will of man but men were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God and then in the book of John chapter 14 there's 15 brother what yeah but what are you trying to prove what question you would like to ask wait I'll ask you down I know that you've got support you know the in the tick's yeah could we get the question right okay the question is if you becomes a bricklayer or a carpenter you muscle do you have to obey the principles and the laws to become that or can it just become a Brickley order or a carpenter thank you very much can you answer me now likewise I would just make clear to you you can't interpret God's Word if you don't obey God's Word and you only have the spirit so I would say then any person that is not loving according to the Word of God he's got no right to interpret the Scriptures because yes God says it's only the spirit that will enlighten your mind and gain wisdom am i right then that if not to get into that part of the argument but taking your word without going there if I'm a Muslim and I haven't got the spirit which you speak up and the Bible is as you say for all mankind well either not be able to understand or interpret it well you can't have the Bible but Christ said why do you call me Lord Lord and you don't obey me only those who obey God and have the spirit it further thank you brother I think your point and I don't doubt your Nick sticks it will only be supporting the same thing could we what I'm saying but I feel one person can interpret the word without the Spirit of God see see the person is not born again right he doesn't have the spirit so he either the devil will use you know or you will talk things out of it you know I don't I don't doubt your your thoughts on it and I think we have got your the picture we will answer you could we go to the back please we'll only have three more questions after the same please now must we make it four because they are forced then it could I excuse you please with a blazer will have form mr. Deedat did you hear that Ben's question you didn't hear these questions you don't know me to answer this question but everyone will answer you do not want me to answer and say sorry for that and say this is an amazing situation that have a Christian brother and say that you must have the spirit before you can understand the Bible and everybody claims we have the spirit there are in South Africa 1,000 different sects and denominations among the whites 1000 different sects and denominations among the whites and they all claim to have got the spirit there are three thousand six in denomination among the Africans three thousand and they all got the spirit and these thousand white denominations are all going in different directions and they all got the spirit the three thousand African trend denominations they all claim the spirit and they are also going in different directions now how are we going to arrive at truth unless we use our god-given intelligence because the one man says look there is a tree in reading the Bible the other fella says there is no Trinity in the Bible one father says that when you take this piece of bread it becomes the flesh of Jesus when you drink the wine it becomes the blood of Jesus literally in a mystical way the other photo says no it is metaphorical now who has got the spirit I want to know which guy are we going to believe and as soon as you ask the man what church you belong to he doesn't own up his interdenominational so you can't catch him anyway as soon as you corner him he say well I don't believe that look what I have done I have spoken for an hour and a half simple straightforward language proving to you from the Christian scriptures that the thing that they are alleging didn't happen didn't happen didn't happen Christ was not crucified he was not crucified he was not crucified an amazing thing nobody is asking a questioning me on what I said no one isn't it amazing what is the spirit bring to them where does the spirit do to people that you are not listening simple basic English I'm speaking to you I am quoting you verses after verses this is what Jesus said and you don't contradict me you want to say Peter said this and Corinthians said this and this guy said this what is all this what is happening to you where is the right the spirit deserting people I says please ask me direct questions on what I spoke and I'll give you a direct answer you know gentlemen let me be feign when I looked at you just now I said three more questions then out of courtesy I saw they were four of you Ryan so I said alright four but now we have fine I've in fact while you were through thank you sorry I want to ask left chalice to forgive because what I do it isn't to say the time yes everyone should have the three wishes yeah the question is wisdom I did that before Christ was crucified the Romans also crucified the person people but you know why Christ died actually Christ didn't died of excruciating pain the thing was this he died the scripture says they died of a broken heart and now mr. Hamady that proved to say that he wasn't crucified it wasn't he now who was then crucified and the thing is this when Mary came to the - it was it that he has risen now that same body that was taken before the Sabbath from the cross all of you you spoke of of the crucifixion could you give it a time show it what the answer will come thank you John no I must give my question yeah but we've got that for me now yeah did think no was the one that was crucified there was no crucifixion what I'm saying is have been proving to you for an hour and a half that is the fiction a crucifixion fic tion fiction had taken place and no crucifixion in the sense of a man being killed on the cross one and a half hour I was proving that to you like a man was telling a story about Romeo and Julie whole night Romeo and Julie at the end of the morning early in the morning the goblins don't know whether Julie was about a girl Thank You next question please could you please speak into the microphone he won't hear you the muslim judgest mr. d that I don't know if you're aware of this the Muslim digest in August 1960 page 27 and you are being quoted to say the following words because right now you said you never used the word Sunni in all your lectures but yeah your coach saying this in August 1960 page 27 in the Muslim digest I believe that Jesus was not nailed to the cross since he was not taken up to the cross the question of swimming does not arise Roger you just want to point at the edge use the word swooning right thank you it looks like from 1960 the brother is following the Muslim digest wanting to find out what did that said and what he didn't do those words this look is an amazing thing you come to a lecture you listen to the man for one half hour and you haven't got a single word which you can contradict now in 1960 or 69 what it was he says d-dad said that I didn't believe in the word that was used in my life as I said I never used the word swoon for the things that has happened and I'll still stand by that in my lecture it has in my lectures right it's an amazing next question please yeah I would like to make a statement and then I ask one final in silence I would like to make a statement and ask one question you can just give me a couple of minutes I've been listening tonight to the spiritual part of man we've been walking all in the spirit and we read about different stations of the Muslim and the Christian but it's I want to get down to the natural now we all know natural people different colors and I want to be in the natural and I'll just like you to give us a couple of minutes to shade in the natural these one certainty in the natural for all color race creed whatsoever I would like I'd rather debug to answer me that certainty in life you know I was a big horse racing fan I've been a gig gambler and they gave me a host to to gamble and I gave with the certainty excuse me to ask you this but the horse lost there's one said in life which affects all of us sitting here irrespective of the color creed race and the biggest problem is as the certainty is death can you see the biggest problem in your life today is sicknesses is death in separation separated from your loved ones irrespective of color creed and what we need something to take this away if it is Jesus Christ even is Mohammed whoever it is we will accept it even Mohammed doesn't is right I will surely accept it tonight because the problem today is that people is dying we are living in a dying world can you see laying down your loved ones yes'm you can laugh but you also gain we are there going one way we're all going to die thank you brother I think your point is very well made could we come to your quick yeah we want to come to the question why did Jesus I did marry now the question is is Jesus was he buried or was indeed was he crucified or not okay let's say he was he in let's say brother did it is right there Jesus is a fake let's poke along in the natural he's a fake okay he's a prophet but he's not son of God excuse me brother I'm speaking at the moment please don't intervene right Jesus is dead now if we do not believe that Jesus came to give us life we will also die no we did but just say that Jesus was crucified and he is the son the righteousness of God and you have to stand between him one day as the mediator between God and son then you're gonna lose out thank you very much the big question I want to ask her brother dealer is this why didn't made it take so long before she came to anoint you use the word anointed you know we use and word anointed we will see in the word blessing you used the word anointed in massaging why did she wait so long to massage the wounds the wounds are already in septic by the time when she came after three days right I'll leave this decision to you thank you okay silence silence the the happenings the alleged happenings about unity at Calvary where on Friday evening according to the Christian scriptures Friday evening and Friday evening is the beginning of the Sabbath and on the Sabbath day no Jew was supposed to be out doing any work therefore she had to go away she wasn't living there she was living in the city not around Calvary so Sunday morning is the first opportunity she's got before sunrise of coming there for Sunday morning because she is not living there this person the body Jesus was in the hands of his secret disciples Joseph of Arimathea Nicodemus they were there all the other 12 according to your scriptures they all forsook him and fled they were not there so now she comes along after three days because she had seen she must have seen signs of life because she was about the only woman that's what the Bible says that she was sitting across from where these things were taking place she was the only woman that is being described in Matthew and Mark that she is watching she is watching what's going so if she saw signs of life she was not gonna shout until the people that the guys alive so after three days she comes along the given equipment and the word for annoyed as I said is masaha which means all these meaning shades of meaning it carries so what does she want to go on and anoint a body if the sense that you are thinking a 100 pound weight of medicals around the man so what do you want to when I'm 90 with what you tell me what she wants to anoint hundred pounds weight Americans and I shut out around the man what do you do with a person like that what a moment it means nice to go and put him in a hole bury him but no she's not talking about burial she wants to invite so I said the only sensible thing is she wants to teach him how next question is last question for the time first of all I would like to apologize and I don't think it's fair you know tea in the raft but they must admit certain things you know which was said tonight go really in my heart and move my emotions so that I can perhaps cry because I feel very much hurt because my word of God and Jesus Christ is torn actually do the dirt and so sorry when I interrupted and you mentioned to people during the dresses evening jaja McGowan was whom your head symposium about three years ago on the 30th of August I believe 81 on the same topic and you advertised quite a few you advertised this tape and I would like to encourage the audience to get hold of his thing and to listen to the fool joshan McDonald as you put it through audiences evening to listen to the site of the food Joshua McDowell who clearly explained to the people in Durban why Jesus Christ was crucified then I would like just atler at the end quote from you the verse which is recited to us in Arabic in English and that is surah 457 58 and because of their saying we slew the Messiah Jesus of Jesus son of Mary Alice messenger they slew him not nor crucified but it appeared and to so under them the word crucified is even used in the Quran and lo those who disagree concerning it I in doubt they're off they have no acknowledged no knowledge they are safe pursuit of conjunction right they slew him not of spa certain but Allah took him up to himself now mister D that you make the statement no one were crucified somewhere else was crucified instead of Jesus that is Islamic teaching and I think that is my question why do you actually tells people something about the Christian faith and this destroy the Bible and you don't get back to your Quran I would assume if I would be a Muslim I would be utterly disappointed for this evening because I didn't get anything from this book from this book from this book I got something he started but nothing from that which always answer this thank you I started with the verse which we have just finished off with call him in Catalan al maseeh and they said in boast that they kill Christ Jesus he said no Miriam rasool ullah Jesus the Son of Mary the Messenger of God wah marketed ooh hoo ha masala boo and they didn't kill him and they didn't crucify him brother well a kinship be alone but it was made to appear to them so when did I say somebody was substituted did I say anything like that did I said somebody else was in his place I said whatever you are thinking since you say you have your authorities witnesses eyewitnesses and your witnesses with the happenings as a let us examine your witnesses this is the most sensible legal thing that people do in any civilized country when you make a claim anybody makes a claim and if there is a counterclaim you go to court and you present your case and your witness is being cross-examined to prove whether it is speaking the truth or false and that is actually what I did I use your witnesses your witnesses from your book and showed you that whatever you're imagining didn't happen and that's my case I closed my case now either you have to refute me by telling me there are Spirit has flesh and bones jesus said the Spirit has no flesh and bones and this resurrected bodies eat royal fish and honeycomb I am prepared to listen to you but nobody has come forward if you keep on talking about josh mcdowell now you're talking about some page what has that what will be with this meeting tonight you know it's an amazing situation you are personally present here what do you want to know about Josh McDowell his lecture what he said and what he did what has that got to do with this meeting you're talking about the tape you know you're confusing the people they don't know what you're talking about you put forth your claim what is it what do you want you and josh mcdowell state i said look we don't stock them you go and write to John Gilchrist your partner in Benoni he will do it to you why do you want it from me what is this Josh McDowell have stupid to do with your question time now nothing so it's an amazing thing you know that you're listening for one and a half hour and there is not a thing that you can challenge me on you say that I have made a misstatement and this is wrong and prove your point we thank everybody for my dear brothers and sisters look here is a proof here is the proof what you have to do you master that little booklet and I tell you there isn't a Christian born who can stand before you your fan Sikh people you know they say they are born again and they'll keep on you track talking to the wall don't talk to the wall the ordinary people Allah says mean human ona there are good people among them talk to them invite them for tea talk to them show them the Quran and reason with them and inshallah we'll be able to do the job the professionals you leave them to me at meetings like these assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu good night ladies and gentlemen

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Published: Tue Jul 23 2019