Conservatives, Black Lives Matter, Racism | Larry Elder | POLITICS | Rubin Report

we spent a lot of time talking about the left around here but this week we're gonna be diving into the right my guest is conservative radio talk show host lawyer and writer larry elder larry has written several books on conservative principles with a focus on government and racial issues much of his work is very similar actually to the ideas we talk about here on the Rubin report including religion the role of government and personal responsibility according to his biography Larry uses facts and common sense to arrive at his conclusions that sounds familiar right now if I use those same precepts as a liberal can we both be right at the same time could both be wrong is the answer somewhere in the middle well that's exactly what we're gonna try to find out as I discuss with Don Lemon last week the media talks so much about the left-right divide in this country that it's easy to forget that there are decent people on both sides of the debate this is one of the reasons I've taken the left to task so much on this show the further off the deep-end they go the less will be able to find compromise with people we disagree with just because I may have different views on abortion than Republicans doesn't mean that they hate all women just because I may have different views than Republicans on guns doesn't mean that they're a bunch of rednecks and just because Republicans aren't for legalizing marijuana doesn't mean they aren't fun to hang out with all right well that one might be true but I think you see my point maybe the best way to start a conversation about political ideology is to actually define the terms this is something I've done with the few guests so far because I often think we're all talking about different things while using the same words fear not I have Google and according to the oxford dictionary here's the definition of conservatism conservatism is the holding of conservative principles the tendency to resist great or sudden change especially in politics adherence to traditional values and ideas sometimes opposed to liberalism all right so I think we have a nice jumping-off point they're basically conservatives aren't big on change and when they are they want to go about it slowly I think this concept has been conflated with the concept of right-wing politics so I even googled that according to the concise Oxford dictionary of politics in liberal democracies the political right opposes socialism and social democracy right-wing parties include conservatives Christian Democrats classic liberals nationalists and the far-right racists and fascists you can see how these two concepts have morphed into the Republican Party in America we have an ideology that doesn't want to change the system too quickly coupled with a political affiliation that is focused on economics and some level of moral authority interestingly classical liberals are also included in that group and the more and more I've been talking about this stuff the more I've been considering myself in that category I'm gonna touch on that more in the next couple weeks now that we've laid out some basic terms I think we have a solid jumping-off point to discuss all the issues of the day from abortion to economics to foreign policy to guns can we find out where we agree instead of just yelling over each other I think we can but the only way is to be brave enough to talk to those we don't actually agree with if we refuse to talk to those that we don't see eye-to-eye with we'll just end up taking an eye-for-an-eye my guest this week is a lawyer a writer and host of the aptly named larry elder radio show Larry how's it going well great Dave thank you for having me I appreciate it yeah thanks for coming in I've been trying to make this happen with you for a while aren't you tossing you forever caught up with me you've been in this studio before I have I've guest hosted for Larry a couple times Larry King that hurricane that's that's a Larry man yeah he has the thing it is kind of for the full hour yeah you can only have people with the name Larry that's right I guess so storms did that work out for you so there's a lot of stuff I want to talk about and then in the beginning of the show I set up that I am a liberal you're a conservative I can do insist that by the time this show is over we can move you to the center a little bit and maybe by the time the show is over week it's not gonna but that's what it's all about that's why I've wanted to have you on the show because I find there were some people in the public space that I disagree with but that I'd like to sit down and talk about some of the ideas and and I consider you in that in appreciate but before we get to the politics I like the audience to know a little bit about the history of the people I'm talking about so can you just I know you were born in LA right give me a little larry elder history just wanna race in LA my dad was a janitor he cleaned toilets my dad was born in Athens Georgia didn't know who the mother is I doesn't know what those father is rather my name elder was the name of some dude who was in his life the longest my father was kicked out of his house in 13 years old by his irresponsible grandmother and was on his own from that point on my mom grew up on a farm kind of aristocracy for a black woman she owned the farm they owned the farm anyway my dad and my mom got together and moved to California in the 40s I have two brothers I am as you mentioned the lawyer born and raised in LA and went to college in the East Coast law school in the Midwest stayed in Ohio for about 17 years came back to LA about 22 years ago got into TV and radio and I've been doing it ever since there you go alright so now we got we got the meet what do you do now you're not a practicing lawyer right negative no no I did it for two and a half three years and that was it I find a lot of people in the public space either were lawyers at one time or I know there's a ton of comedians that were lawyers what is it about lawyers a lot of them want to get out what's that I'm not sure that's true it's just a real flexible thing to do you learn how to reason you learn about the law you learn about the Constitution if you're a trial lawyer you learn how to think on your feet and it lends itself to doing other things but most people I know who went to law school at least the ones I went to law school with stayed in the law yeah so is that a perfect segue to get you to be someone that talks for a living right like instead of having to litigate it in the courtroom you could litigate it on air and bounce back and forth with people and that's right although most lawyers are not trial lawyers it's kind of the image of most lawyers is that they're glib and fast most lawyers sit behind a desk and fill out papers there they're tax lawyers or or constitutional lawyers or contract lawyers or something like that only about 10% of lawyers end up going to becoming litigators and even a smaller number of those actually try cases yeah all right so now let's talk about conservatism hmm let's do it so I've mostly been calling out the left on my show because I consider myself part of the left right and I've seen the left sort of really go off the deep end to the left and I haven't been happy about it so I haven't talked that much about the right I've had a couple people on the right so first off how would you define conservatism what do you think that even means at this point in America in 2016 what is it considered well I don't mind being called a conservative I'm sorry but I said to be a four-letter word but I really call myself a libertarian I believe in article 1 section 8 of the Constitution which gives the federal government a small number of things to do Dave meant money put together an army deal with the border is a handful of other things that's it welfare healthcare abortion same-sex marriage doctor sister suicide all the social issues that the Supreme Court takes up in my view they shouldn't take up in the first place that should be happened done on a state-by-state basis that's what I think most conservatives believe as well so I'm with you on a lot of that and I definitely have some libertarian beliefs myself I think most people are libertarian they just don't know it the founding fathers were libertarians the founding fathers drafted a document that said our rights come from a power other than individuals and government doesn't give us our rights we give government our rights and power and everything else should be left to the states and the individual so that's how the Constitution would start it that's how the country was started and I think that's how most Americans really feel when they really think about it well that's one of the funny things to me and why I've defended somebody like Rand Paul who's a lot of people would say as a liberal I shouldn't be defending he's a libertarian but he's a libertarian so on issues such as legalizing marijuana or gay marriage a libertarian because you don't want the government in your bedroom you shouldn't care about threats issues and as a liberal I want people to do what they want and marry who they want so that's somewhere where a libertarian and a liberal can really sort of join together right I think so however you have people like Bill Maher running around calling himself a libertarian Bill Maher is not a libertarian he believes in higher taxes he believes in a minimum wage he supported Ralph Nader for for government who wants to take over businesses and have government run them so a lot of people use it because it's a sexy kind of term and have no idea what it is right so that's the the economic side of it so you you're sort of he's liberal on the on the social stuff and in a way as a conservative you're actually pretty liberal on the conservative on the social stuff again I believe that same-sex marriage doctor assisted suicide all these kinds of things abortion should be done in a state-by-state basis in California we had two opportunities to vote for or against same-sex marriage proposition 30 and another time when we voted on I think was called issue 8 a measure 8 and in both cases I voted in favor of same-sex marriage in both cases I was overruled I have no problem with the idea that the majority of my fellow Americans or fellow Californians did not agree with me I don't believe that I then go to the Supreme Court and cram it down the throats of the other states right ok so then that's that's the states rights issue and and sort of so you would say that the Supreme Court is legislating from the bench or something to that effect yeah I would yeah and that so so you're basically okay with what happened you just don't like how it had yeah so someone like Rand Paul because it sounds like you have a lot are you supporting no I'm not you're not I don't know I don't like Rand Paul because of his position on foreign affairs and defense a lot of libertarians and I don't think being a libertarian leads you to being an isolationist although most libertarians are reasons that I think are kind of confusing but Rand Paul is one of those guys who attacked George W Bush for the Iraq war I think we were justified in going there I think that the reason for going there were legitimate and I think a lot of liberals are hypocritical on this issue too you talked about how you you chastise people on the left for being hypocrites I'll give you one big one the argument against the Iraq war is that George W Bush foolishly wanted to impose our values on another another culture had no idea what the aftermath would be if we could rid of this bad guy right however Obama comes into office he joins with the British and the French and bombing Libya getting rid of Qaddafi why did he threaten us no they did so for humanitarian civil rights reasons Hillary recently at a debate was asked about why she did that she said well they so they could have free elections where was the left a same thing with regard to to Egypt we get rid of Mubarak he was a thug but they're all thugs the brother Muslim Brotherhood comes in there and Obama backs them and and the country's worse than it was before same thing and then a senator now backing the guy that took over right the moment then Assad for reasons that escaped me Obama decided or saw it had to go yeah why these these countries did not threaten us the way in my opinion Iraq did Iraq was a deal after the after 9/11 90% of the American people believe that we're going to get hit again and this guy was was stealing from the oil-for-food program he was he was interfering with our patrolling the southern no-fly zones he had used chemical weapons on his own people we know that because he used him on the Iranians he used them on the Kurds he tried to assassinate George Herbert Walker Bush he was a threat and like it or not at least we had a legitimate reason for going there and he got the backing of both the house and and the Senate Obama did did did Egypt and he did Libya and he did a Syria without the backing of Congress and yet the left didn't say a damn thing right sue Perkins yeah so I'm with you on the hypocrite mark because I listen I was there's plenty of video I was against the Libya thing because at the very least at the very very least if we're gonna have a military action we should have congressional approval right so then instead of calling it a war they called it a kinetic military action well and beyond that Libya did not pose a threat to us he had no WMD because he gave them up after we went into the war in Iraq he was scared bleep less he gave up the WMD not the United Nations he gave it to us if they're under lock and key in Tennessee as we speak so what was the rationale and where was the left the same people yelling and screaming about George W Bush and Dick Cheney and neo-cons and a nation-building where were they they didn't say anything it's hypocritical yeah well listen we don't have congressional authorization right now so I would assume by a lot of standards on the left Obama is probably a neocon to them right if they were if they were being consistent but they're not so but what was the actual threat I mean so I'm with you on some of this in terms of that we all sort of pick our sides and then chart our values suddenly change depending on who's in power but what do you think your principles you don't do that and I write myself to be principled I I consider myself to be principled as well so everything that I've said in the past related all the stuff still still sand tough but what was the actual threat from Iraq look I know that that Saddam did horrible things and you've laid out a couple of them but what was the actual threat george w bush properly said that they were a grave and gay during danger after 9/11 90% of the American people thought we were gonna get hit again and thought the hit was gonna be bigger than 9/11 so George W Bush looks around and says where are the threats we were still technically at war against Saddam Hussein we went to war against him in 1991 and he promised to fully and thoroughly declare his chemical and biological weapons he failed to do so he violated resolution after resolution after resolution and we feared that he would either use him himself or give them to a terrorist and use them against us and make 9/11 look like a picnic that was a threat we gave him 15 months to turn over the stuff and he refused to do it Bush went to the night that it did turn out that there were no nuclear weapons of mass destruction I disagree with that as well I believe the weapons were there we gave him 15 months to thoroughly declare what he did in that 15 months in my opinion he got rid of it and I'm not the only person that said that Dave the the National Intelligence director our top spy his name is James clapper he's in office right now under Obama has publicly said he believes that Saddam was saying did in fact have stockpiles of WMD got rid of them in the during the 15 months run-up to the war the Israeli Mossad feels the same way and there's several other American officials that have said that so I don't believe George W Bush got the intelligence wrong we have 16 intelligence agencies all 16 said at the highest level of probability that Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons Obama had the same CIA director who served under Bill Clinton George Tenet he said the likelihood that Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons and biological weapons was a slam dunk and the same people that called George W Bush a won him wanted him to go so all 16 you guys say that he's got this stuff and you save got it George I just not feeling it so I'm not gonna do it but he's a so when you say that this is one of the cases that part of the problem and I think this is a through line through everything we're gonna discuss for the next hour is that I don't know who to believe anymore that's become a thing so James clapper he just met right he's the same guy the same CIA director who sat in front of Congress and said that we're not spying on Americans remember and he was scratching the top of his head because as they say in Seinfeld when you're lying you touch the higher up you touch on your face the bigger the lie is right a nice guy and he says we're not wittingly spying on the American public we now know that that was what he said when I gave the least untruthful answer I could give but later on he admitted and so to me as far as I'm concerned he's oh he's legitimately honest guy well I guess he gave the least honest answer he least untruthful and least untruthful right but it wasn't I guess I guess but it wasn't truthful well it was classified yeah it was classified he wasn't opposed to talk about it all right so without without getting too caught up in the words though but do you think that's part of the problem that we just don't know who to believe anymore no I believe our government officials we barely believe the media well I have my own issues with government but it might think my problem with the Iraq war is that Republicans failed to say what I've said and defend it even Jeb Bush has not defended it properly he was asked when he first started running what do you think about the Iraq war well I well I mean honestly if you can't even defend what your brother did how can other people do it so I think Americans have forgotten why we went there at one time 73% of the American people supported this war you have to remind people that why you why you've gone to war might be what the reasons are and people have forgotten and now they have this vague idea that George W Bush overreacted and went in there and posed somebody because he just didn't like him and that's why we were there and let's not do that anymore that's kind of how people have given the Cliff Notes version of what happened and it's unfair so what would you say to the people that would argue that Isis it wouldn't exist right now if we hadn't toppled Saddam because he at least had for all the horrible things he was doing and the bath party was doing terrible things and they were executing people and throwing gays off roofs and you know using mustard gas on the Kurds and all that stuff but at least he was keeping a sort of lid on the actual craziness that we're seeing right now my my problem with that is that we don't know what's that I'm just saying would have done had we not gone there even though we didn't find the stockpiles there were two people that George W Bush sent to find the stockpiles one was named David K the other was named Chuck Topher both of them said we didn't find any stockpiles we screwed up however this guy was going to reconstitute his WMD program and reconstitute his nuclear program when the heat was off so we would've had to deal with him anyway the second thing I say is that President Obama pulled out all the troops because he ran in 2008 and said the Iraq war was a dumb war we never should have gone there over the advice of Hillary his Secretary of State over the advice of his then Secretary of Defense leon panetta over the advice of his former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates over the advice of the Joint Chiefs he pulled out all the troops he was warned if you do this there'll be a vacuum he did it anyway Ray Odierno is a member of the Joint Chiefs he just retired and he gave us speech when he retired and he was asked if he does he believe that we should have left people there he said yes have we done so I said who could have been dealt with so in my opinion however you feel about it when Obama walked in and heritage this mess yeah he should have made it better it not worse he made it worse so in a way you're so you're sort of blaming both sides right in that in that or I guess I would blame both sigh don't put words in your mouth I would blame both sides hearing that we went to the wrong war and then by Obama leaving the way he did even though most of the Americans very clearly didn't want to be there anymore and when he ran for president seven years ago that his whole thing was we're gonna get out as soon as possible but that then created the the breeding ground for this because we didn't leave in a in a sword I'll go half way with you yeah we didn't go into the wrong war went to the right war for the right reasons I think the intelligence was good and I think the problem was when Obama came in he wanted to get out so quickly that he did not realize what the aftermath would be and I'm not the only one who said this Robert Hayes written a book scathing attack the most scathing attack on a sitting commander-in-chief by a former member of cabinet member I have ever read and he even recently if the few days ago Dave said that Obama's national security and foreign policy advisors are dangerously naive they see the world through this prism that they want which is why the Benghazi thing happened the reason the McCarthy thing happened as Obama is running in 2012 GM is dead GM is alive Osama bin Laden is dead and al Qaeda is on the run therefore Benghazi was not thoroughly defended because they thought that the Libyans were happy with us because we got rid of Gaddafi yeah and so he states they in my opinion the Obama administration sees the world through their a prism of this ridiculous idea that if we are nicer to people and reach out with an unclench fist they will reach out in kind the world doesn't work that way we have bad people who hate us and we need to deal with it right so I'm with you on that part for sure because look if you think back the big speech that Obama gave in Cairo which was that everyone said yeah this is the reset this is that we're gonna be different and we're gonna try to deal with people and we did that's with bombs more with discussion I mean the Middle East especially but most of the world we've we're more in more of a precarious place now then I don't think any part of the world is better off with Obama n and I think that you look at polls now George W Bush left office in the in the low 30s I don't think any president has been that unpopular in my lifetime you look at polls now more people like George W Bush didn't like Obama Obama's rating is at 45% Bill Clinton's at this juncture in the seventh year of his turn he was at 65% most American believer on the wrong track economically and most American believer on the wrong track in terms of foreign policy yeah all right so I don't want to get too lost in just foreign policy so last thing on this is a lot of what you're saying sort of sounds like neoconservative stuff to me is there can you be a libertarian and a neoconservative I mean I know this is what you're getting for it this is sort of why you don't like Rand Paul but do those things seem like they have nothing to do with each other and yet I know that there's a lot of people that do sort of get what you're what you're saying well the term neoconservatism to me is a four-letter word is a term that people invent to to malign somebody's position I see the world realistically I think we have enemies we need to deal with them I did not believe as you did just now pointed out that we should have gone to war in in Libya I don't believe in doing anything unless this is consistent with our national security interests when Jimmy Carter for example through the Shah of Iran under the bus in the 70s what was that all about he did it because he wanted freedom he wanted to liberate the people who were behind bars the same people we now call terrorists these are the ones that Obama forced the Shah to let out of prison and they ultimately toppled the regime what's that all about it's not our job to impose them democracy is our job to make sure that countries are are not our enemies our countries are doing things they're consistent with our own national security interest and that and that's my problem right so you don't want a nation bill do you want to do things that you consider sort of defensive posture correct we went into Haiti I think during Bill Clinton's administration because they were having difficulty it's not our job I want to get this right so I want to look at my notes for this according to this you are black correct that is correct not african-american that's not a term I like you how come you don't like the term man ridiculous I was born and raised in America I've never been to Africa why am i an African American most of my people have been here longer than most of others the other people in this room yet most people don't have a - you know I'm an italian-american Greek American Romanian American it's an absurd term it's a term that Jesse Jackson almost single-handedly crammed down the throats of our media and after Jackson began to talk about why blacks should have some connection to Africa all of a sudden New York Times LA Times all of the media began using that expression it's thick ulis yeah I mean I personally don't use the term african-american that much because one time I had a guest on the show and I referred to her as African American she said well I'm actually Jamaican so you know you mean so I guess that that goes to your point it's all right and I remember reading one time Dave somebody was given a description of some suspect who had done some crime was running away and he was described as an African American how do you know where he was from could've been from Africa come in from Jamaica it could be from Canada so what do you make of that when someone like because I know you really rail against Jesse Jackson and and these guys on the left that use and I want to talk a lot about identity politics okay so the guys that use these phrases what what are they going for there well they're whatare goal that the goal is to tell black people that were victims that discrimination and racism remain major problems in America when in fact they don't and they want black people to vote for the Democratic Party the Democratic Party gets ninety five percent of the black vote and the reason they get it is because blacks are convinced that the number one issue facing the country right now is social justice racist white cops discrimination systemic racism microaggression whatever a new word they come up with and it's a bunch of nonsense a number one problem domestically faced in this country is a breakdown of the family and President Obama said it I didn't a black kid or our kid not just a black kid a kid raised without a dad is five times more likely to be poor and commit crimes nine times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail so you're far more likely to end up in jail without having a dad than you are because of a white racist cop right so but you wouldn't not acknowledge that there are some systemic issues give me an example tell me what you think the most systemic racist issue is what is it well I would say that because black people in most cases in many cases were descendants of slaves that racism as a as an institution that it just 2000 amount of it just exists i 2015 that give me the most blatant racist example you can come up with right now I think you could probably find evidence that in general cops are that cops are more willing to shoot if the perpetrator is black what's your date of end white what's your basis for saying that last year though look I know a lot of people would say look what's going on I know what they would say I'm talking about what the facts are 965 people were shot by cops last last year and killed four percent of them were white cops shooting unarmed blacks in in Chicago in 2011 21 people were shot and killed by cops in 2015 there were seven in Chicago which is a third black a third white and third Hispanic 70% of the homicides are black on black about 40 per month almost 500 in the per year last year in Chicago and 75% of them are unsolved where is the black lives matter on that the idea that a racist white cop and shooting unarmed black people is apparel to black people is BS it's complete and total BS and and the reason for these so-called activists saying this is the assumption that racism remains a major problem in America the media CNN especially MSNBC runs down whenever a black cop shoots somebody and in and it's a some some march on Washington it's ridiculous black people half the homicides in this country are committed by and against black people last year there were 14,000 homicides not talking about suicides I'm talking about homicides half of them were black 96% of them black on black of that 7,000 wears a black black lives matter people on that so that there's where you would say that this is purely because of social justice this you're purely because they want ultimately for people to be angry enough to just keep voting Democrat that's right and where's where's the evidence of a lack of social justice when a black suspect is killed by by a cop believe me the media is on it people are watching it and and justice will will for the most part occur in Baltimore where Freddie gray was killed Freddie gray died in a van I shouldn't say was killed died in a van yeah you have a city that's 45% black City Council is 100% Democrat the majority of City Council is black the top cop at the time was with black the number two cop with black the majority of the command staff is black the the mayor is black the AG is black and yet here we are talking about racism I mean it's it's absurd yeah absurd so it's funny I find myself caught in between this a little bit as a liberal where I want to always try to defend the other so in this case the other being black people I'm always sympathetic to that and they yeah yeah at the same time I hear you laying out a pretty solid well just the facts say something else too there was just a study University of Washington and it turns out cops were more reluctant more hesitant to pull the trigger against the black black suspect than a white suspect probably because of the fear of being accused of racially profiling and the fear that the Civil Rights established was going to come down on him so if anything whites are more likely to be shot by a cop under under certain circumstances than a than a black person and in last 30 or 40 years the number of percentage of suspects killed by cops who are black has declined 75% however the percentage of whites killed by cops has flatlined yeah and so if anything people are more concerned about shooting black people for fear that they're gonna be called racist and almost all every one of these incidents whether it's Eric Gardner in in New York who died because he was selling loosies and resisted arrest whether it's Tamir rice in Cleveland who hit was twirling around the gun whether it's Michael Brown in Ferguson who had just committed an art strong-armed robbery almost every one of these incidents involves somebody resisting arrest why don't you just do what the police tell you my dad said when I get pulled over have my hand at ten o'clock have my hand at two o'clock say yes sir say no sir make sure my paperwork is in order and if I feel the cop is mistreating me get a badge number and deal with it later on if Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and Obama and the whole group of them told black people to do that we'd have a lot fewer of these things to deal with in the first place yeah all right so I'm with ya I'm hearing a lot of what you're saying in here so as a black conservative then who now you've you've laid out your case there but you haven't laid out yours I I asked you to name the most important example of racism and you gave white cops going after black people and I and I told you gave you the facts for that so that's nonsense so what you must have something else what else is it if you think racism remains a problem in America give it to well I think it remains a problem not it even some it may not be systemic in that we have it's not like you're not being hired because you're black there's no systemic reason you no legal reason that that exists that kind of thing but I think that racism as a general I need fury I need this I need some specific sorry you gave me the white cop thing what else give me another example what you think is a problem well well as a black conservative tell me how to know you how do you get people to come around you're the one who made the assertion that yeah racism remains a major problem in America I asked you to give me an example you gave me white cops going after blacks I as far as I'm concerned you didn't hold it up very well what's the other argument you have what's the other thing well I don't know that it's systemic in that in the sort of macro set I don't know what it is you're talking no no I believe me that's a hundred likes are not getting into school bs that we have a race we have affirmative action so a black person with it with an SAT and a GPA of X will get into a school faster and easier than the right person with an SAT or a GPA of X and if going to going to school there's a route to the middle class you can make an argument that blacks have an easier route to middle to the middle class if you're talking about blacks about poverty the poorer you are the more accessible loans and grants are for you the the problem the biggest burden that black people have in my opinion again is the percentage of blacks 75% of them that are raised without fathers and that has every other social negative consequences connected to it crime not being able to compete economically in the country being more likely to be arrested that's the number one problem facing the black community and when I hear people tell me about systemic racism or unconscious racism I always say give me an example and almost nobody can do it so so the families I'll follow your logic they're on family stuff what can actually be done about that then I mean what because that's a big reverse to welfare state in 1890 1900 you look at census reports a black kid believe it or not was slightly more likely to be born to a nuclear intact family than a white kid even during slavery a black kid was more likely to be born under a roof with his biological mother and biological father than today what's happened is we launched this so-called war on poverty in the 60s we're literally Lyndon Johnson sent people knocking on doors and I lived in the 60s and people knocked on doors uprising women of their availability to welfare provided there was no man in the house and we went from 25% of blacks being born outside of wedlock in 65 to 75% right now and you look at how much money that we spent on welfare and the lines are parallel it was a neutron bomb dropped on this country not just in the black community but on people in general at one time only about 5% of whites were born outside of wedlock now 25% of whites are born outside of wedlock I was in college in 1970 and there was a report called the Moynihan report the Negro family a case for national actions written by liberal by a man who became a Democratic senator for the firm from New York and at the time 25% of black kids were born outside of wedlock he said my god this number is is horrific if we don't do something about it it could get even higher well fast forward 25% a white kids are now born outside of wedlock it is the number one problem in this country and what we've done in my opinion is we economically incentivize women to marry the government we've allowed men to abandon their financial and more responsibility and now we have this so the left has done this right ok so do you think then that as a black conservative that the biggest issue is it's impossible to have this conversation right right like the stuff we're talking about right now is rarely really discussed in the media you know people you've written some books about it and people talk about it every now and again but we rarely have this discussion because and this is where I will agree with you that the left has made language such a problem and everyone's so trigger warned and safe space that were afraid that if you have this conversation that somehow I'm gonna come off racist you know you know or that's not what the conversation we'd have the conversation because the left would then have to look in the mirror and go jesus H Christ look look at what I've done and they don't want to do this I've had a radio show for almost 25 years I've invited Jesse Jackson on 50 times 60 times I've invited I'll sharpen on that that number Maxine Waters another loudmouth black woman around here who's running around talking about racism she won't come on my show either they don't want to deal with these issues why let's have a conversation if I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong tell me how I'm wrong give me your data give me your facts tell me what you got yeah and I could quote the the Brookings Institution which is a liberal think tank and the Heritage Foundation which the conservative think tank and they'll both tell you that there there's a relationship between crime and bad schools and going to prison and not having a dad so this is not just a liberal kind of thing or a conservative kind of thing it's a real world kind of thing and they don't want to have that conversation I've never heard a reporter asked Obama about the connection between the rise of the of the single-parent household and the rise of welfare spending I've never heard anybody ask him that question not one time yeah and so as far as I'm concerned this is this is desire not to have this conversation for fear that it then will cause you to rethink your assumptions a psychologist will call that cognitive dissonance the this this anxiety that you feel when you have had your assumptions challenged and you don't want to do it it's uncomfortable yeah so how then would someone like you or someone that believes in what the things that you're talking about how do you wrestle away a little bit of the narrative from the black lives matter folks because obviously you tell I tell the truth they're about the same thing course I do I care I tell the truth I talk about the number one cause of preventable death for young white men is car accidents the number one cause of preventable death for young black man is homicide committed by other young black men I tell the truth I give the facts and the facts are racist yes take facts are racist right so you know I'm friends with another black conservative David Webb you probably know on Sirius XM and he's a Fox News contributor and I had been doing a progressive show a while back and I was on with someone and they didn't know him personally nor knew that I was friends with him right and they kept saying he's the token black eye right now I'm sure you get plenty oh my goodness token bootlicker Uncle Tom Tom coconut as in brown on the outside white on the inside Oreo same concept the Antichrist and you got because they've got to malign somebody like me I am a bigger threat to their whole ideology that almost anybody else a black guy who does not believe that he's a victim a black guy who believes in hard work and personal responsibility a black guy who doesn't believe in handouts the black guy doesn't believe in the welfare state a black guy he doesn't believe in affirmative action I am the antithesis of everything they stand for and therefore I can't just be dealt with with facts and and rebut it with X I've got to be maligned I've got to be a castaway I've got to be treated as as if I'm Darth Vader that's what the left does so that's interesting and again this is where I've really struggled with my guys on the left because in a way that is actually showing it's racist of course it is right because I don't have the same right to have an opinion if somebody else I've never heard rush limbaugh be called anti white because he criticizes Hillary in the left but I criticize black left people and I'm I'm anti black it's bigotry it's racism calling somebody an Uncle Tom is as offensive as calling somebody an n-word lover yeah so when it comes to to the black community and politics so I I got you on a bunch of a bunch of this stuff the black community in a lot of ways isn't for some of the things that the Democratic Party is for right because the black community a lot of times and it has a lot to do with the church is more socially conservative the only thing that that connects black people to the Democratic Party in my opinion is this notion of social justice and this notion that racism remains a major problem in America look down the list of things that black people like and and support blacks are more pro-life than whites are blacks were more anti gay marriage then the whites were that's one of the reasons its proposition passed here in California is because of the way blacks and browns voted again I didn't vote that way but it's the way a lot of blacks and browns did blacks want to be wealthy when the reason Donald Trump is getting about 25 percent of black which is five times by the way the percentage that Mitt Romney got is because of Donald Trump's swag and his and his being proud that he's made money and so and and in the inner city wait that's really fascinating little piece right there never one more quickly important the Democratic Party is completely beholden to the teachers union and vice versa the Union is adamantly opposed to vouchers where the money follows the kid rather than the other way around inner-city black women and fathers inner-city black brown women and brown father's want vouchers they realize the schools suck I went to Crenshaw High School in South Central right now three percent that's not a typo three percent of kids can do math at grade level I'm gonna send my kid to that school because I don't have enough money to send my kid to a better school it's it's it's an assault there's a program called the DC hope scholarship program where every year parents who subscribe to them to the program and it's four times as many people want to get in as there are seats will give kids about 10 to 12 thousand dollars to go to a non DC government school and every two years when it's over Obama and the Democrats trying to try to shut it down and the reason they don't is a bunch of black parents go to the streets have a press conference start crying and so all my kids doing better I can't think of anything more damaging to a kid's future is to send him to a school where it's a School where the kids are are not learning where a lot of them are not learning because they don't care and where the whole level is now dumb down to cater to that lowest common denominator in a class and as a result you have kids that have poorer SAT scores and the otherwise would if they had a chance to go somewhere else that challenged them and so inner-city parents want vouchers young black people when they're told about the benefits of privatizing Social Security want to do it because 65 years old blacks die sooner than whites do and when you die all your contribution to Social Security go poof as opposed to being able to will it to your child when blacks are taught about this young blacks want the opportunity to put their money into a account that they can control so when they get 65 years old they have real money so privatizing Social Security vouchers abortion same-sex marriage all of these issues blacks are really not in lockstep with a Democratic Party but the Democratic Party has successfully convinced blacks that racism this white cop this is why it spread the man's out to get you and vote for us and we'll deal with it so how much of this is a messaging problem if I grant you all of that right how much of this is just a messaging problem by the Republicans because it seems to me and I've said this several times but someone like Tim Scott who is a black Republican senator right from the south right he should be a hero not only of the black community but he should really be a hero of the left right because this is a successful well I should be an American hero he really should be I mean he should some certainly Ally at the very least be bigger in the national debate why isn't he a bigger surrogate for whoever he's going to support I assume it will be Republican why is this guy lost in in this scheme well it's the same reason that black states vote 95% for the Democratic Party he's considered to be an Uncle Tom he's a Republican he's a black Republican he said he's a he's some sort of unicorn I don't know what he is that that's how that's how they feel so then what do you do what do you do as a Republican to break this narrative you know I got it you told the truth I got it you tell the truth but obviously there has to be something bigger than messaging here because well telling me the numbers 90-95 it's an uphill fight I mean to me there is a access of indoctrination you have the media you have academia you have Hollywood all of which tell black people that they're victims most professors are to the left the media certainly is off to the left and Holly was to the left and so you get up and and you're indoctrinated all the time with things like social justice inequality the man's out to get you we need a higher minimum wage you name the left-wing a policy and and and you and you pick it up through osmosis that's why when we first started the conversation I said I hope to move you towards the center and you say I hope to move you towards towards the towards the center and I say it's not gonna happen because because I there's nothing you can tell me I haven't heard but I probably can say some things your audience hasn't heard because LA Times New York Times CNN ABC NBC CBS new year times you name it these are all to the left whatever left-wing position you're gonna hear it you're gonna hear why how and where but but the other position you won't hear unless you watch Fox News or listen to talk radio and a lot of people won't do it if you make them if you pay them right so I hope it's clear in our 40 minutes or so together so far when I say I'm on the left I consider myself a classic liberal and that I stand for liberal principles John Stuart Mill type liberal exactly exactly that's not a liberal and and I know in a lot of ways that that makes you a concern you're a Jack Kennedy kind of kind of Democrat he cut taxes right he was a cold warrior he was he liked hunting he liked the Second Amendment so doesn't this show you how stupid the words are so what I did at the top of the show shows you how the Democratic Party has evolved to the left and abandoned principles my mom was a was a Democrat my mom was a Republican my dad was Republican all his life and my mom stopped voting for the Democratic Party and she said as many people have said I didn't leave the Democratic Party they left me she didn't like welfare she didn't like the idea of rewarding people just because you had a kid and then given you more money when had an additional kid she didn't like any of all of that right and she started voting for george w bush her last two election cycles so it's really ironic that's not messaging it's the fact that the country and the country in general has gone to the left and the Democrats to the to a greater degree than Republicans have gone to the left the country has changed in part in my opinion because of immigration including illegal immigration people who are coming to the country illegally from third-world countries like Mexico they don't know what I'm talking about when I talk about limited government they believe health care is a right they're taught that in Mexico they taught that other places and they come here in America and they pull that lever for the Democratic Party which is why in my opinion the left wants what board is to be porous because it changes the country page of the electorate it changes the demographics the Democratic Party has not won the white vote since 1964 the more white people there are in the country the worst Democrats do the more left-wing the more people have color there are in the country the best the left does and so what incentive is there for them to to police the borders what incentive is there for them to shut down sanctuary cities to stop catch and release there isn't in my opinion there's been a very subtle and very diabolical changing of the mentality of this country by left people so that a state like California could never vote for Ronald Reagan as they did in the past could never vote for Richard Nixon as they did in the past you have New York and California just write them off and there's 10 or 12 states now that we fight over everything else is now written off it's ridiculous so at the top of the show when I was laying out some of the principles that we're talking about here I saw classical liberalism falling into the conservative category as you just said and it's funny because while I consider myself a classical liberal and ie can lay out every liberal principle there is that I would defend it's it's scary to me because though because we get so caught up in words that you know oh I don't want to be considered a conservative because I'm a liberal right it's a scary proposition right well again it's it's it's about limited government and personal responsibility as far as I'm concerned what you've told me is that you are really somebody on my camp far more so than somebody on Bernie Sanders camp well I'm liberal in that I'm for gay marriage and I don't mind if you smoke weed in your bedroom as a general rule I do like lower taxes but I think we could have a progressive tax at some level so we probably disagree a little bit there I do think you should if you keep making more and more and especially as you're getting into the the dozens of millions and the hundreds of millions yeah we could have a progressive tax that would tack the tax those people more I'm not necessarily for the 90% tax that that Bernie wants so I you know some of the economic I wonder let me ask you why is it that nobody gave Dick Cheney love because Cheney had a more progressive position on same-sex marriage than Obama did when Obama was still but you're changing all evolving Cheney but Cheney didn't have until he was out of office so that's you know it's a little disingenuous what he did he say he still years before Obama said he was in favor of gay marriage said I'm in favor of allowing states to determine this he said that years before while he was in office though I don't think that was while he was all I know was years before Obama because when Obama became president 2008 he's not only said that he was in favor of traditional marriage he said God was in the mix all of a sudden years later God's no longer in the mix four years ago then got out of the mix but anyway the point is that Dick Cheney said that he supported same-sex marriage on a state-by-state basis well before the left did well before Obama did well before Hillary did got no love so isn't actually well that I think would just go there because politicians are pandering I mean that I don't know that that makes Obama any more of a liar than any other politician I'm talking about I get you I'm talking about why somebody didn't give it give Cheney a couple of Atta boys on that I know that people on the left hate him called him a neocon and believe he whispering in george w bush's ear and got bush to do all sorts of bad things but I would have thought on this issue since the less considered such an important issue I don't by the way that they would have not have given Cheney a little bit of ways you can sit what do you mean you don't consider same-sex marriage to be that big of a deal to me it's give people equality and then let's not to think about it anymore that would be fair enough I'm just saying I I think the number one issue in this country is self-defense and in the number one domestic policy issue as I mentioned is the destruction of the family these other things same-sex marriage war on drugs global warming I consider to be further down the list yes so the war on drugs you're actually for legalizing drugs right I'm for the the government getting out of it both federally and at the state level yeah and that would and interestingly this may be a little boring for your for your viewers though but in the in the earlier in the 20th century we had the war against alcohol the Constitution was amended to fight the war against alcohol and then it was a minute again when we decided didn't work we've had since Richard Nixon this war on drugs the Constitution was never amended for that and I don't understand why people don't make the argument that it is illegal what the federal government is doing because in order to get rid of alcohol Congress knew that they had to change the Constitution which they did there's no power article 1 section 8 that gives the federal government the authority to wage a war on alcohol or a war on on on drugs but to do the one in alcohol they change the Constitution and then reach Ange it but they never did that for the war on drugs yeah so how much of that do you think goes to why the black family has been affected I mean when you think about the amount of black people black men especially and minorities in general that are in jail we now for-profit jails and a huge percentage of these people are in jail because of drug offenses well not that many about 12 to 15 percent but-but-but-but whatever that seems pretty significant whatever the percentage is I think the war on drugs should be rethought and we should deal with it as a health problem and not a criminal justice problem but the reason for the large number of black behind bars it goes back to what I said earlier about the breakdown of the black family and not being taught the right kinds of values and that has all sorts of other social consequences including a greater propensity to commit crime yeah all right let's back up for a second because you you quickly said something about Hollywood and I know I follow you on twitter and you rail against Hollywood all I do basically your arguments like kicking a puppy though yeah I can tell you know it's not it's not that difficult right so so just the other night you know you were you were tweeting a little bit about the Golden Globes and the targets that your base was taking last night I saw you you kept on CNN Don Lemon who I had on last week was on the show last week he was talking about Tavis Smiley and you're not a fan of Tavis I've known him a long time he's a he doesn't preach what he practices wait what he is is a hard-working guy who came from Indiana with a big poor family and has done quite well with his life and instead of telling people bust your butt do what I did work hard stay focused it's the man's out to get you social justice races and racism everywhere it's nonsense Hollywood is an easy target because these guys the Golden Globes they've got these fine clothing designer clothing and designer tux and and their jewelry they're all anti Second Amendment but they're all protected by armed security guard and how many of them applied into a Prius to get to and from the the the ceremony I mean you're saying very few I think it's very very not a large number limos yeah and notice that notice there were several Bill Cosby jokes I think three or four Bill Cosby rape jokes not one Bill Clinton rape joke pourquoi yeah yeah do you think I mean I'm a firm believer that a lot of them actually privately are supporting Republicans or at least they're voting Republican but there's this idea that okay we're gonna go on this you can't sell out you can't say name one a list young actor or actress who's an out of the closet Republican just one young that means yeah I mean 2030s there you can do it once you're Clint Eastwood once you're Kelsey Grammer boy doesn't cut it right no no but but somebody in his 20s or Jennifer Lawrence Age star Nate one there's got to be somebody right they can't be 100% left-wing but they will not say so because they know they won't get parts right and you would say that's not necessarily because they believe those things as much as just the structures in place it's the bigotry in Hollywood that the open-minded empathetic people they're fine as long as you don't say something that pisses them off yeah and and you say that you're gonna support Donald Trump you won't work if you're twenty or thirty years old you won't work you're gonna lose jobs yeah so let's talk a little bit about this and think and think about that these are these are the people who are in charge of eighty percent of what we see on TV and on in movies and if you come out and you're twenty or thirty years old and you're a rising star and you say you know what listen to Larry oldest show the other day I think I'm gonna vote Republican finished done done now now what kind of power is that to influence the minds of young people to shape this country culturally it is massive there was a book called primetime propaganda by a young man named Ben Shapiro we're getting him on the show and and because he looks so young and looks liberal whatever that means he was able to get on the record all these Hollywood producers people that did Golden Girls people that did cops and got them on the record saying I would never hire a conservative a conservative in this town will be screwed a conservative in this town cannot make it I intentionally put left-wing messages in my fare I tried to influence culture this way has him all saying this and has him on tape and the book came out and it didn't make any difference they didn't say I'm sorry I didn't say we ought to rethink our assumptions he interviewed Fred Silverman who at one time as a head of ABC CBS NBC has Fred Silverman on the record saying a conservative cannot make it in this town now if Hollywood has a great impact on how we think on our culture and you have this Gestapo essentially shutting out people who are conservative what does that say it's scary too frightening to me yeah well messaging messaging is everything which actually brings this back to what you said about Trump before which I think is sort of fascinating that he's polling better with the black community yes because he has this sense of swagger which I think you could probably relate directly back to you know rap music and stuff like that these guys aren't they're not ashamed of their success and that so in a weird way Trump is sort of doing the exact same the exact thing that you want to happen I agree but I think there's another big reason that Trump is scoring with black people one of the most under polled things in this country is how black people are pissed off about illegal immigration when I was younger there was a movie that came out of the 70s called car wash mm-hmm Richard Pryor was in it yeah and George George Carlin was in it and it was about a day in the life of this car wash in South Central not too far from where I grew up virtually all the employees were black I defy you to go to a car wash in South Central now and see any any employee who's black illegal immigrants that come over and taken over this business and black people see it and they and they realize it and they are angry about it and the Democratic Party however because of what I said earlier about trying to shift the electorate to the left has in my opinion thrown blacks under the bus on this issue and a lot of blacks who are aware of it are not happy about it and Donald Trump position on immigration resonated with a lot of black people the other thing about about Donald Trump that I think in general not just black people is appealing to me anyway and I'm not quite sure why some of my fellow Republicans are so adamantly opposed to Donald Trump this guy Dave can self-fund he doesn't need your money Donald Trump was at a group called the Republican Jewish coalition and he was asked a question about does he feel that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel his answer is not important and he said something like I'm not sure I haven't thought it through and he got booed and Donald Trump looked up and he said I don't need your money now there's a guy named Nelson Sheldon Adelson in Las Vegas he's a multi-billionaire alas election cycle he gave Newt Gingrich 10 mils a lot of a lot of people feel that but for that Newt Gingrich's attack on Mitt Romney and all the footage that he gave Democrats to use in the general election Romney might have won that's not the point the point is he is a kingmaker and right now he is trying to decide whether he wants to give money to Ted Cruz or to Marco Rubio he has lost Vegas business interests I'm not mad at him for doing something to pursue his interests but the point is he expect his phone call to return to be returned Donald Trump can say screw you to all these people the people they get subsidies for milk the people that get suffer these for sugar the people they get subsidies for this ridiculous product known as ethanol the unions that keep Amtrak running Donald Trump does not need their money he does not have to take their phone call so what guy can really do what should be done for the American people which is to get all the crony capitalism and all these so-called special interests out of our government and get it down to the size that ought to be Boeing gets money from the government Google gets money from the government Dutch royal gets money from the government this is corporate welfare and the reason happens is because they give contribution to the politicians who in turn then do their bidding Donald Trump does not need their money he is in a position they downsize the government in a way unlike any other politician I've ever seen yeah so there's I mean there's a lot of irony there it's you've what you're really talking about is that's truly systemic political tell me roblem tell me about it polity so that's and that's half that should unite everybody across the board sure that stuff our sister should I mean right now la is gonna get to team two football teams probably yeah Oakland and San Diego and st. Louis are all vying to come out here by the way all three of them used to play here the rams used to play here okay play here and the first LA Chargers one of the AFL teams started here and they move to Sandhya now they I want to come back why because their respective cities won't give them hundreds of billions of dollars in tax subsidies why should a multi-billionaire get millions of dollars from taxpayers who then in turn have to pay all this to go to the game and watch multi-millionaire ballplayers it's right be yeah well that's like City corporate welfare that's a city's disgusting City field where the Mets play in New York you know that it was funded by partly by taxpayer money I mean while the government's bailing out citibank who has their name whole thing is reduced so the Trump thing real quick one of the things is in the first debate the first Republican debate about three months ago now I thought the unmasking that he did was actually kind of amazing even though I disagree with him on pretty much everything but you know when they asked him about going to Hillary's daughter's wedding right Elsie's wedding and he was like yeah I give him money buddy I'm a business guy I got it you know I got to do what I got to do so in a weird way even if you don't like so for my for my liberal friends and my friends I left even if you hate the messaging and you know all the Muslims stuff and all that even if you hate all that the unmasking of the system and that's why I've also talked about how Bernie and Trump have a lot in common because the core of what they're doing is the biggest threat to the system right Bernie and and Trump have a lot in common in the sense that the establishment is scared to death of both of them but Bernie will make things worse taking over large corporations will make things worse raising taxes on job creators will make things worse what Donald Trump wants to do I will make things better hmm all right well I barely got to any of the questions there which is a testament to you so I'm glad we got to sit down so let me end this thing and a little bit of the future where do you think this country is going in the next year do you so I sense are you supporting Trump I haven't taken a position on anybody yet yeah so I will support whoever the nominee is over Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders certainly yeah do you Hillary and Bernie both sort of as equally yeah equally is equally bad I mean I mean when you when you've asked Hillary to give the difference as Chris Matthews recently did between a Democrat and a socialist she couldn't do it Debbie wasserman-schultz the chairwoman of the DNC was asked the same question she couldn't do it and Hillary has gone further to the left because she's threatened by Bernie Sanders she's now come out by talking about a surcharge tax on on on millionaires she didn't do that before and she's also coming out on the left now and gun she didn't to do that before so Bernie's pushed her to the left so as far as I'm concerned their positions are pretty much indistinguishable yeah and again this may go to show why the system is just broken because both sides in the primary process have to stake out these positions that they know that they're not going to govern by right Richard Nixon used to say when you want to win presidency in the primary you run to the right and then when you run in the general election you run to the center that's kind of how it works in the primary season you have to run to your base and then kind of run to the center to try and trying to get independence yeah how it works yeah all right well listen I've thoroughly enjoyed talking to you I didn't expect we were going to agree on everything we didn't that's fine maybe I learned a little something here maybe you learned a little so I see a glimmer in your so if you move a little bit towards the center well I consider myself as a classical liberal I don't I don't consider myself off the deep end left and maybe I just I think in general a lot of people on the left are starting to realize how do you feel about voters I think we should have vouchers I think you should have access to God how do you feel about affirmative action how do you feel about giving a black person or a brown person additional points just because they're black and brown over some equally qualified white person are you happy with that unhappy don't care oh man now I'm being interviewed all right so yeah I would say that I think at some time at some point in America there was a reason that it really did make sense because they because some of the more systemic stuff still exists today and today it probably doesn't make as much sense anymore I think you would agree with me on that because that's pretty much what you don't think it ever made any but that's but that's exactly why I want to have these conversations and why especially I think that that liberals and libertarians should realize that we're sort of in the center together and that there's a way to there's a way to work together so that's exactly what I wanted to do this fair enough so all right so I thank my guest Larry elder you can check out clips of the larry elder show and more Larry's work at larry elder calm

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A bunch of moderates sitting in a circle is what I say