Compound bow 40 years old

I understand hand from artery supplies there we go look at this 40 year-old compound bow and I want to talk about what's different with archery today and what this bow was like 40 years ago so first off a customer came in my shop and said here Steven here's a bow which is really old would you like it I said sure I'll do a review on it now I actually don't know what brand this bow is there's no there's no markings on the limbs that says down here made in Canada but there's no branding on the bow at all but it reminds me very much of the old Jennings bows from back back in the 1980s which are used to iron back when I used to shoot so I thought let's take a look at this let's do a review and see how compound bows have progressed so the first thing you're going to notice about the compound bow this is a cast riser back in the olden days back in the 80s all the bows were cast risers which means that poured into a mold and they come out with this these days only the cheaper compound bows have cast risers so the first machine rise above I can think of was a York and it was called it's CNC there might be another one before it that's the first one I can remember and I actually owned one from York artery which went broke I think that was about 1984 the first of the Machine risers came out so back in the old days the grips were very much like a recurve of the way they kind of sat now you'll see that parallel like this and very thin uses is quite a fat grip here and they used to put these rubber things around the handles now the concept of the rubber around the handle was when your hands get sweaty or if it's cold the rubber will basically take away that moisture and stop your hands sweating you can see here there's no attachment I think back in the olden days we used to put a bit of tape on the front of this to hold it in place some people I'm back in the old bear days when we had bear archery and you're gonna say bear still exists well it's a bit different today they used to have a grip which used to connect on and you used to be able to get grips which detached and change the angle some back height back in the old days in 1980s they had low grips high grips and medium grips he just clipped them in and it changed the position very much like the recurves but this is a very additional grip now you'll see the position of the Griffon it kind of makes you hang on the position where it's meant to be it's comfortable that's wider than a normal grip but it's kind of it feels good to hold on to so that's the first thing and what they used to do back in the old days we didn't have film dipping back in the old days and all the bows used to come out either black or like this this is a marble green paint so this is pretty standard stabilized a hole there and back in the old days I was watching a film yesterday on people shooting back in 1985 the Australian Horsham classic and there was Katie Smith he was black world champion Becky Pierson and these two was shooting out indoors at 18 meters and they're like 10 10 10 they had an old beau white yes they'll shoot him with just a front stabilizer and they were just hit him 10 after 10 after 10 so you don't need the fancy bows that that exists today it's just so much easier with the fancy bows that exist today so there's no callaway riser you'll see today a lot of the bows have cutaways and now the reason for this was well they hadn't thought of it back then so the bows were very much like the recurves but also you used to shoot fingers back in the old days and basically it was a basic air arrest like this to stick on IRS and you shoot off the rise of like a recurve and a lot of people would shoot bare boughs so you just look down the arrow and shoot you'll see that here there's no flexible cable slide so nice slide here on the cable guard and look at the thickness of this cable guard it's so thin now as you pull this back this is going to flex so it's almost like the flexible cable guards that exist today out of carbon that's just because the rod is so thin which is interesting now back in the old days there were three types of limbs I'm gonna hate to put you through the thing of wait limbs were made this was a wood laminate limb this was seen to be you know one of the top limbs the cheap limb back in the old day was a fiberglass limb and this was a more expensive limb you can see the multi laminates here now what Martin did Martin had three limbs I had a fiberglass slim straight limb like this and then a woodland the recurve woodland was seem to be their top of line limb now I'm only mentioning this because if you're an archer and you're thinking what's the best bow what's the best limb combination what's the best cams these questions have always been there and manufacturers have always said well the recurve limbs better than straight liam or the woods better than the fiberglass you didn't really know why they just said it now this was a very much a standard cam back in the old days you had a one position here and another position here this position here when you sweep you swap your wheels around you change from a 50% lead off to a 30% lead off now a lot of the top shooters used to shoot 30% lead off to create more holding weight which was more than common now on this side here you could change the draw length each one of these was one inch in draw length you can see here the cable is actually touching on the cable which means this string here is too long so the string would have stretched a little bit because this the cable should not be touching the cable now the yoke system here muddin actually changed this and they had four spots here so you can change the position of the yoke each one of those spots adjusted by a quarter of an inch so you get your one inch adjustment here on the draw length and then quarter of an inch here on the yoke the Mun came up with an idea what was said well we want to be able to time these cables so they had micro adjustment here on the yoke now if you want to adjust the timing on these the only way to do it was to twist up the cables which he really didn't want to do on a steel cable so that's basically how the bows were built Dacron strings now you couldn't really fit a fast string to this because it pull the tear drops off and back in the old days the cables used to break right here and it could hurt you know hit you in the face so they came out with fast flight systems which can't go straight to the cams so that was another change that existed but people still shot pretty decent scores with these bows you know so what's the difference today honey I say the difference today is an average shot back in the old days shot pretty average we're the top early arch is still shot pretty good now an average arch issue very similar scores to the top elite Archer so the bows are so good it makes an average Archer really really good much easier to shoot now with the 90 percent alert offs their high performance lens now you see these limbs this is a 70 pound bow which ones down to 55 you'll see these limbs are almost dead straight there's very little pressure on these limbs which is why even though this is a 40 40 year-old bow with original cables original limbs there's not much pre tension on these limbs which they we use fiberglass limbs only pull those limbs down and put heaps of pressure on them to create more tension on the strings now look at that this is a 70 pound bow and look at this you can't do that with them put them on but look at these cables oh God and you look about that that's how loose that is there some okay anyway we're gonna shoot this just the just the way it is you'll see if it falls apart on me I should probably turn that screw up right but okay so first it's the first thing I want to do is describe the draw cycle of this bow so start off with it's gonna be strike to start off with now to get a really fast pose they start off really heavy at the start so they do it up instantly and the way they do that is I put lots of tension on the lens so as I pull this boat back it starts off what its building up building up and now it's dropping and you really can't feel the valley with this bow it's kind of really nothing there builds up and it's really nothing right I say nothing it doesn't there's no valley it doesn't just rule and when you get to the back here where you're aiming you know what we're doing currents you don't with the modern compound bow you pull back in it's dead it's like it's dead draw stuff you cannot bury that spot so what that means is more consistency of a modern bow compared to an old bow now what I want to do is I want to shoot this for a chronograph go chronograph there I've got the same arrow as I shoot now this is longer than 29 which is where I normally test all my bows the arrows I'm shooting gold tip Velocity's these are for hundreds with a 90 grand point I think is 324 grains this bow should be set at 60 pounds it doesn't feel like it that's a 70 pound bar when I've rounded down two turns but let's have a shot I'm not expecting big speeds out of this now what I recall from shooting compound back in the 1980s was compound was very similar to a recurve as far as scores it wasn't much in it the compounds shot a bit better but not like today where the compounds are just so much easier to shoot them recurve I mean a good recap shooter still shoots an excellent score but there's very few really good recurve shooters so let's see what speed we get through 193 feet per second 193 feet per second so let's just put this in perspective 193 so the fast compounds are we're testing today about 310 feet per second on you know the 29 inch drawer 60 pound with these arrows the recurve that I tested at 40 pounds I think shot about this speed so this is assuming about the same sort of speed as a recurve 192 feet per second and you'll see that wing at the end now the twins got through this look at the vibration that's true it's like wool now back in the old days because you've got so much of the twang like your guitar we used to fit silencers to these strings to quite them down and we'd fit stuff here we had cable clips to try and hold these cables together to try and reduce the vibration of this now today with the string stops there extra tension they put on the strings it eliminates a lot of this vibration so the Bose today is so much quieter and so much faster so much so so so much easier to adjust draw length the drama the justment today is an outstanding they are so great performance there's so much performance and even a cheap compound bow and people say to me well you shoot pretty good with the cheap compound bow compared to a thousand dollar bond I say absolutely you do the cheap compound bows are actually extremely good you know the thousand dollar compound is absolutely better but you know compared to this and like I said at the start of this video there's people who used to shoot these bows and shoot extremely well with them now I wouldn't want to shoot this type of bow today like but there's people who collect them you know for old time's sakes this would keep on shooting but I figure if you're gonna shoot this your mods will shoot a recurve now the other thing I want to mention is about finger shooting so back in the 1980s when this bow was big and compound bows everyone used to shoot fingers and they'd shoot fingers and just look down the arrow like I did down and guess where the arrow was going to land then out came the compound bows the modern compound bows they reduced the axial axial size you can see this is probably a 44 inch bow axial axial where today the bows are 31 inch axial axial with ninety percent lead offs so if you have only a 60 pound bow you're actually holding six pounds back here with your fingers which means if you twitch your fingers to the side or you let go badly with the shot that string is going to jump straight off the cams the cams are big the cams are thin these cans are chunky that's small the chances of derailing a bow like this with a 44 inch axel axel with a low let off I mean you never used to see derails with bows like this with bows that we've got like today with the short axel axel with a high let off if you're going to shoot with fingers you risk derailing the boat and you're gonna have I always have people come my shop say I've shot compound for years never had a problem and what I broaden you want I derailed it well it's it's it's completely different this is like a recurve bow to shoot back in the old days we didn't have any derails they didn't really exist it's only when they made the bow shorter higher performance high let-off made the cams dinner to improve the performance improve the speed that things became magnified talking if you took the rise or it magnifies the issue because they're both short axel axel everything's magnified you can shoot amazing scores with new bows but release aids and getting the correct grip not talking the bow is a must so whenever any whenever anyone says to me look up and shooting for 20 years I've never had a problem with it and they were shooting a bow like this I'm like you're just not going to have a problem with the bow like this so if you want to shoot fingers shoot bear bow you know looking at an old compound bow even if it is 192 feet per second which is extremely slow is not a bad option now you could shoot lighter arrows with this so you know when they recommend spine of arrows a lot of its depending on speed off the bow not the actual weight of the bow so even though these 400 spine arrows are for a 60 pound bow and this is a 60 pound bow I am sure with 500 spine arrows this bow would be fine maybe even 600 spine arrows this bow be fine because this boat is so slow so and that would just be a trial and error thing to test that out but with modern bows which are shooting three hundred feet per second it's very different than an old bow which is 192 feet per second so I'm Steven Han for archery supplies I hope that's giving you a quick overview of the old compound bows that existed now the other boats that existed back in the 1980s were six wheels and four wheel whether they cooked on here and they have very very different so if I get a chance I'll review one of those later but this is pretty cool I don't know what it is someone suggested it's an Allen but I don't know and there's still they do not dry fire sticker there so and I reckon this bulb probably okay with a dry fire that you do snap these things off eventually if you dry fire them but they're pretty bulletproof just because there's not a lot of energy in these bows but that's an old bow vests as a new bow and I'm not done to it testing thing of shooting this because I'll just embarrass myself but not a what I was like in the 1980s thank you for watching bye

Channel: Archery Supplies

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Keywords: compound bow, ancient compound bow, Old compound bow

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Length: 15min 29sec (929 seconds)

Published: Sat Apr 20 2019