- Hi, friends, how are you today? I hope you are having
a wonderful day so far. My name is Bailey Sarian,
and today is Monday, which means it's Murder,
Mystery, and Makeup Monday. (babbles) If you're new here, hi,
my name is Bailey Sarian. And on Mondays, I sit down and
I talk about true crime story that's been heavy on my noggin, and I do my makeup at the same time. If you're interested in true
crime and you like makeup, I would say subscribe if you want, you know, that's up to you, 'cause I'm here for you on Mondays. Right now, every other Monday, but I'm working my way up
towards going back to normal. Today's story I came across
randomly the other day, and it just like engulfed me,
is that the word, engulfed? Saturated? It took over my brain. Okay, because I had never
heard this story before at all. And it was just like, oh my god. So it takes place in New
York with this woman, her name is Alice Crimmins, and she was like labeled
a, quote, unquote, "tramp" who was responsible for the murder of her two young children. But hold it there, 'cause
there's a but and it's a big but. Alice was seen as a victim
of like trial by innuendo. She was seen as a woman being persecuted for her defiant anger at a justice system who was like more concerned
with her social life than solving the murder of her children. The story is weird, it's
wild, and it's kind of, it's deeply upsetting, because you'll see. So if you ever curious
to know what I'm using, I'll list it down below,
but other than that, I will shut up, and let me
tell you about today's story. I got the worst sleep last night. So if I'm a little brain foggy, I got the worst sleep last night. Glad we had this talk. Okay, so I'm gonna tell
you about Alice Crimmins. So listen, Alice was born March 9th, 1939 in the Bronx, New York. Her parents were said to be
devout like Irish Catholic, and very strict, you know? You know. Alice would go to school
at Saint Raymond's convent, like it was a Catholic school, but it seemed like
Alice was a free spirit. She wanted to grow and
like be her own person. She wanted independence, you
know, and the older she got, the more she like kept
her eye on the price. Meaning, independence. So sometimes, the fastest
way to get independence or just out of your
parents' house back then was to get married, right? So in 1959, 19-year-old
Alice goes on to marry her high school sweetheart,
Edmund Crimmins. So with Edmund, there wasn't
much said about this guy other than like he was
handsome, he was six foot tall, had sandy hair, and like some considered
him a catch, you know? But other than that, we
really couldn't find anything about the guy's background, and that seems to be the
one thing that is consistent in this whole damn story. So the two would go on to get
married, and that same year, they would have their first son, Eddie Jr. Then the following year, they would have Alice Marie, she was born. So they're a cute little family and they moved to the
Regal Gardens apartments in Kew Gardens, New York. I think that's how you
say it, Kew Gardens. Maybe, Kew, I don't know. Kew Gardens is an neighborhood
in the central area of the New York City, borough of Queens. So it was said their marriage was good as they usually are in the beginning. Not to sound like an old
witch or something, you know, but the early years of marriage is good, and their marriage was good. 26-year-old Alice, she was a homemaker. So she would be at home,
take care of the kids, clean the house, look presentable,
make sure dinner's made, lunch, breakfast, all the above. Alice was said to be the type of person who cared about her outer appearance. I know that sounds shady, whatever, but like this is, you know,
she always had full glam on, she dressed nice, her hair was
done, nails done, she cared. It was said when she was a teenager, she had struggled with really bad acne. So that's when she first started wearing like a lot of makeup to cover that and cover up the acne scars. And then over time, she just
kind of continued it, you know, she just continued wearing
makeup moving forward. But like to us, it's kinda
like no big deal, right? But this was back in
whatever year I just said, I already forgot, but I know it was a year that like things were different. Women were supposed to be
more like naturally beautiful, and like, or like, you
didn't wear a lot of makeup, or it wasn't noticeable
you were wearing makeup. But for Alice, like it was
obvious, she was made up, hair done, nails done,
outfit, like just fitted. She was just, she cared, right? Anywho, her husband, Edmund, at this time, was working as an airline mechanic. Over time, he started to spend
like little time at home. And to Alice, it really seemed that he preferred working overtime and drinking with the boys rather than be home with the family. There came a point where
Alice was just feeling lonely, and quite neglected in this marriage. So she started to wonder
like what else was out there. And by her own account, she had only slept with
one man in her entire life. And she was kind of at the point, where she was feeling curious about maybe what she was missing out there. You know, she wanted to
explore the swinger's lifestyle a little bit, allegedly. It got to a point where just the couple was not working out anymore. And Edmund actually moves
out of the family apartment. They're still married, just
separated at this point, but he gets real weird before moving out. He gets real weird, okay? He wasn't happy about
the separation at all. Actually, he was freaking pissed. He didn't wanna think about his wife being with somebody
else, and she was honest. She wanted to be with
other people, you know? So you know what his ass did? Well, sorry, that was a
lost bit, that came out. Edmund wanted like proof
that she was sleeping with other men, so he decided to install
a wiretap on her phone and another wiretap from
the basement to her bedroom. Oh, yeah. So he could sneak into the house, and like listen to her
making love to other men. He was just like a
psycho, jealous, just ugh. So Alice was working
as a cocktail waitress, which was like, what? Back then, again, wild times. It was seen as like taboo
for a wife to get a job. She's supposed to be at home
with the kids, goddamn it. Taking care of the house. But Alice needed money, and
she wanted to be independent. She didn't need a man. So she got herself a job
regardless of what others thought. Good for her, right? There would even be
regulars who would come in, and like she would date,
quote, unquote, "date" them. And she was just really
feeling it, you know? It was said that Alice was a, quote, "blue-eyed redhead" who
was both slim and buxom. Eye roll, of course. They were like, she's slim and buxom. Every single a woman is supposed to be. But listen, there were other sources that said she had brown eyes. So I don't know here, but either way, she
had eyes, we know that. She had reddish hair,
'cause she was good looking, and it was said it was easy
for her to get attention. Again, when Edmund found
this out, it enraged him. He hated this, okay? So he was again, a little creep about it. Later on, Edmund admitted
to sneaking into her place on numerous occasions just
to be around her stuff and touch her, quote,
"personal things", end quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In my mind, I'm thinking
underwear specifically, he was probably being weird with, because usually, when
guys break into a house and wanna touch things, it's always the fucking underwear, right? Ugh, anyways, but that's
just my imagination. All he said was he would break in and touch her, quote, "personal things". There was actually one night when Edmund was the basement listening in, while Alice had a lover
upstairs in her bedroom. He obviously was livid
and stormed into her room chasing the guy, whoever it was, out of the house completely naked. And I think he kicked the shit out of him. But I can't confirm nor deny, because I read it in one place, like the little details seem
to be a little off here, but either way, gross, this
guy is just inappropriate. Oh, but get this, 'cause this
makes it even, like what? Yeah, it's a side note, but
Edmund also admitted to Alice that after sneaking in, he
would go to a nearby park, and expose himself to young girls. Huh, yeah, he was just doing that. That was his hobby, I guess, he loved it. Live, laugh, love, he was trying his best. Later on when he was questioned about it, he would say that he made that part up to make Alice feel better
for being a shitty person. I'm not kidding, he's like,
"Yeah, I made that up, because Alice is shitty. And so I just wanted to
make her feel better. Like, no, actually, I'm worse." But sure, I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most dudes, that wouldn't be their go-to answer. So I think it's safe to say that Edmund ain't right in the freaking head. What do I know, I know nothing. Okay, well, tensions are building. And mind you, there really isn't
much mention about the kids or like the parent relationship
with them at this point. It's just all about like
Alice, very bizarre. But anytime Alice did leave the house, she always had a babysitter in place or Edmund would have the kids. Edmund seemed to bad mouth Alice
in front of the kids a lot. You know, just doing what
you shouldn't do as a parent. There was mention of one night where Edmund was sitting
with his son, Eddie Jr. He was telling his dad that, quote, "Mom would invite cousins
over who would walk around in their undershirts, and would
spend the night," end quote. Edmund hears his son say this, and he was growing more angry with Alice and how she was like
mothering the children. So the night that really
sent him over the edge was when one evening, Alice decided to leave the
kids with the babysitter while she went out to a party
with a boyfriend of hers. So Alice is 26, 27 at this time, and she was seeing
52-year-old Anthony Grace. It's like such a kind of pretty
name though, Anthony Grace. Anthony was like a wealthy
building contractor. Like, he had money, okay? He was a fancy man who wore silk suits and a diamond pinky ring. It was said that he had
many prominent friends within New York City's politicians. But it was also said
that he had many friends within the, quote, "hoodlums" end quote. In other words, he had mob
ties is what was rumored. Alice and Anthony, they
attend a party together, and it was on a boat that was docked, and then the boat was gonna
take off to The Bahamas. It was a Bon Voya, wait, Bon Voya, Bon Voyage party. (laughs) Am I saying that right? Oh, I hate me, anyways, so it was a party on a fucking boat, okay? And then the boat was going to The Bahamas once the party was over. So the couple, you
know, Alice and Anthony, they're gonna go together, they're gonna go have
some fun on this boat, but while on the boat,
you see what happened was that Anthony and some
other men at this boat party, quote, unquote, "playfully"
locked some women in a bathroom on the boat. So they're like, "We should lock them." And then they locked them in there, and it's like, okay, cute. I think this was totally
planned, but whatever, locked them in there, ha,
ha, ha, it's so funny. Ha, ha, ha, and then guess what? The boat took off, and
set sail to The Bahamas. Hello, sweetie. You have children at home,
what are you doing, you know? Like, stupid, just really stupid. But they were like, LOL,
whoops, tee-hee-hee. And like, I guess the boat was set at sea for like quite some time,
I think a week, maybe. Yeah, she fucked up, and to
be fair, Edmund was pissed. Do you blame him? No, no, not at all with this one. Well, back at Alice's home, you know, the babysitters
watching her damn kids, wondering where the hell Alice was at. So she ends up calling
Edmund, the babysitter, and she tells him like,
"Hey, Alice isn't home yet." Okay, it's late, and she, the babysitter, she needed to leave,
like, hello, thank you. So this pissed Edmund,
obviously, all the way off. So he immediately goes
to pick up the kids, takes them back to his
mother-in-law's house, AKA Alice's mom's house, and decided that he was
going to file a suit for full custody of the kids,
which he did in June of 1965. So Alice Crimmins' own
mother even sided with him, saying like he was a good man. He would take care of the children. And Alice's mom, she was honestly not really
fond of Alice's behavior either, and she was all for him
having custody of the kids. Honestly though, I think we can all agree this was very stupid
behavior on Alice's part. Swore it was an accident,
but whatever, you know? It was just that one time. So a week before the custody
hearing on July 14th, 1965, Alice went to wake her kids, and found that little
five-year-old Eddie, Eddie Jr. and 4-year-old Missy
were not in their room. What, yeah, listen. So she kept the kids' door
locked from the outside, which is kind of weird, I
know, I was thinking it, too. She said it was to prevent,
quote, "chubby Eddie" from coming out of his room at night, and raiding the fridge. If you look at a photo of little Eddie, he doesn't look chubby at all, like what? But then again, I don't know. I don't know, what do I know? I know nothing. Anyways, but that's why she
locked it from the outside, because I guess, Eddie Jr. would wake up in the middle of the
night and raid the fridge, and she didn't want that anymore. But when she opened the kids'
bedroom door that morning, she noticed, obviously,
the kids were missing, but also that the beds had been slept in. So like they were there,
and the casement window, you know, the window and
then like the beds, right? Casement window was cranked
open about 75 degrees. Window open, now, remember that, okay? Alice remembered closing
it the night before, because there was a hole
in the window screen, and she wanted to keep the bugs out. So she's like, "I know I closed it." But other than that, I
mean, her kids were missing, and she didn't know what the hell to do. So she's in a panic. She picks up the phone, calls Edmund, and starts accusing him of taking them. On the phone, she's just
yelling at him like, "Don't play games with me, Eddie. Like, don't fool around, do you have them? They're missing." Freaking out, as I'm sure
any of us would do, right? On the other end, Edmund was like, "No, no, it wasn't me." Like, he was just strongly
denying taking the kids. But he was furious at her for neglecting the "children", quotes. Because the kids going
missing was her fault according to Edmund. After the two hung up,
Edmund called the police, then headed over to the home. So then detective show up. Well, police and all them show up, and let me tell you what
a shit show this was. So a man named, Detective Gerard Piering and his partner, George Martin, met both parents at Alice's house. Detective Piering decided
this was gonna be his case. I mean he, at the time,
he was up for a promotion, and really had something to prove. So like, this case was gonna be it, okay? So when he gets there, like to the scene, there were already
police at the situation. And one of the officers,
filled the Detective Piering in on like the little
backstory that they got that the couple was separated, in the middle of like a custody fight, but that's all they really knew. This is not the color I want. I want it to be brighter. If you watched my last murder
mystery, it was all concealer. (laughs) Oh, someone died. Sorry, let me get back to that now. It only took one glance at
Alice for Detective Piering to know that something
was up with her, okay? She did not look like a mother who just found out that
her kids were missing. Mind you, no note about
Edmund's behavior, but okay. So when they got there, they took a look around the apartment and it confirmed to the detective, you know, just the unfavorable
impression he had of Alice, around the apartment, they noticed that it
was modestly furnished, but neatly kept. In the kitchen, a mental note was made of the bottles of alcohol
that were in the trash can along with a box of macaroni. Now, that's important. Remember the macaroni, thank you. Then Detective Piering saw in
Alice's bedroom a few things that really caught his attention. He's looking around. Hmm, he sees empty liquor
bottle, birth control pills, (gasps) and brassieres, (gasps). Not brassieres. Brassieres, I know. Ugh, how dare she. Along with that, they
found her address book, which was filled with contact
information for numerous men, and this all stuck with Detective Piering who was said to be a straight
laced Roman Catholic, again, who just got a really bad feeling about this Alice lady. So they keep looking, underneath her bed, they find like an overnight bag, which was kind of like her memory box. It had dinner programs,
little trinkets in it, just memories that
documented her relationship with the Anthony Grace guy, the boyfriend. You know, it was kind of like that box that you keep in your house. Maybe you don't, maybe you
do, but I know I have one. I have all my photos in there,
maybe letters, dinner menus, like, "Oh, this was from our
first date," or something like, you know, stuff like that. You know what I'm saying,
I know you know, thank you. So when Detective Piering saw this, it was said that these
items disgusted him. How dare she have
brassieres, birth control, like the birth control pills
probably really got him. Hello? The brassiere though seemed
to really bother him, and I don't know why. Maybe he's never seen one before. No, he was like married
with like six kids. So he had to take one off at
some point or maybe he didn't. Again, this was just not helping her. Detective Piering seemed to focus again on Alice and Alice only. It was noted that she was
neither sobbing nor hysterical, but instead she was heavily made up, and her hair was perfectly styled. These are the notes that they're taking. I take better notes. The detectives also noted that Alice was sharply dressed
looking chic in her outfit and high-heeled white shoes. Again, no notes on how
Edmund looked, but okay. By his own recollection,
Detective Piering disliked Alice the moment he saw her
saying to his partner that, quote, "She looks
like a cold bitch to me." End quote. Detective Piering told his
partner to interview the guy. And quote, "I'll take the bitch." Yeah, if you haven't noticed,
this guy's a real douche. Alice told detectives what
took place the day before. She said in the afternoon, she and the kids went
for a picnic in the park, then returned home around 4:30 PM. After that, she made a
phone call to her lawyer to go through some of the
upcoming custody hearing stuff. And also, she had other
issues to discuss with him. He had like another call or something. So he was like, "Hey, I'll
have to call you back." And then they hung up. So Alice went to the store to
pick up dinner for that night, bringing home soda, veal, and beans. After dinner, around 7:30 PM,
she called her lawyer again. After this, she took the
kids for an evening drive. They drove by Edmund's home
to see if he was there. I came across like mixed
reasons as to why she did this. One reason said that Alice
wanted to see if Edmund was home, because if he was, then that meant he wasn't
following her that evening, and her anxiety could relax. Then I read another
reason why she did this was to see if Edmund had
like a lover at the house, she would do little drive by, and be like, "Ah, fuck that guy." They had this like very just toxic love-hate situation going on. But either way, she and
the kids went for a drive. When returning home, which
was like within the hour, she then bathed the kids,
got them ready for bed, and then at around 8:30, the kids set their
prayers and went to sleep. Alice told detectives that
once the kids were asleep, she called her boyfriend, Anthony Grace. And this conversation didn't last long, because he was going to the
bar to have some drinks, and she offered to come meet
him, but he told her not to, because he wasn't gonna be there long. After hanging up the phone with Anthony, Alice said she got a phone call from another friend slash lover. His name was Joseph Rorech. Now, Joseph was a successful businessman who happened to be
married with seven kids. Holy Toledo, I know. These people be having babies. Joseph called to ask Alice to come and have a drink with him,
and I guess she declined, because at this time, he was drinking too much
and was just going downhill. He's getting sloppy, it just wasn't cute. It wasn't cute at all. Plus, on top of that, he was married, so I think that's a good reason why he just shouldn't, you know? Alice said around midnight, she took Eddie Jr. to the bathroom, then helped him back into
his bed, and then after that, she couldn't remember if she locked the kids' door or not, you know? But after this, Alice took
the dog out for a walk, and let her pee, the dog. Alice said she had fallen asleep for a short while afterwards, and then woke up around 2:45 AM. She heard some kind of like loud noise. She said it wasn't concerning, so she didn't like check on the children, but she heard the sound noise. So she hears this noise, and now she's up, and it's around like 3:00 AM. She gets a phone call
at 3:00 AM from Edmund who wanted to talk about
the custody hearing. Yeah, at 3:00 AM. Make it make sense, I don't know, but she said the phone
call didn't last long, but now, like when they
were done, she was up, okay? So she took the dog out for another walk, ran herself a bath afterwards,
telling the detectives that she finally went
to bed around 3:30 AM. So that was Alice's version about like what she did that night. Edmund was interviewed about
his whereabouts that day. He told detectives that he
had played golf that day. Then after he was done playing golf, he went to the golf club
area, the clubhouse thing, and had a few drinks. Once he left the country
club, what are they called? Golf club, you get it, like, where they have the
bar and all that stuff, at the golf course. Once he left that area, he
drove past Joseph Rorech's home to snoop around and
see if Alice was there. He was aware of their situation. Remember, he was listening
in to their conversations. He knew. Anyways, she wasn't there that night. So he decides to go to
one of his local bars, which it was said that
he normally drank beer, but like on this night, he
was ordering gin and tonics, and was said to be very loud. It was very unlike him,
he normally wasn't loud. He normally wasn't
drinking gin and tonics. Many speculated that perhaps he was trying to create an
alibi by being super loud. Like, "Hey, everyone, pay attention to me, because I'm gonna need you
tomorrow when the police come." Yeah, then around 3:00
AM, he left the bar, and went to Alice's apartment, and there were some witnesses who said they actually saw Edmund watching the apartment from his car. Hmm, a little creep, huh? But then, there were others who said they saw him by the children's window. These things were mentioned
that they were eyewitnesses, but like the detectives never
went like interviewed them. I don't know, considered
them as eyewitnesses. He just took his statement, and
they were like, "Thank you." And they did nothing with it. It was bizarre, but some
people say they saw him outside by the children's window, and
the police were just like, "Okay, sounds like something
he would do great, thank you." He said he saw the lights on
inside, and decided to go home, and call her to talk about the hearing. Like, bro, it's past 3:00 AM. Who calls someone to talk
about a custody hearing at this time? 3:00 AM, just, okay, whatever
you two, get it together. So while they were being questioned, their home was being
processed by forensics, which they did an awful freaking job. There were only a few pictures taken of the crime scene, like four. It seemed like, like you could
probably count it on one hand how many pictures they took, and they said it was because
of the lack of instruction they got from officers. And also, there were no fingerprints taken from the window sill. Remember, the window in
the kids' room was open, 75 degree angle or whatever the hell, 75 degrees, it was open. So most likely, if they
are missing, they probably, I don't know, just this
is my amateur opinion, if the window's open,
maybe they went out it, oh, I don't know. I'm no professional here, but
they didn't take fingerprints or anything from that section, that most likely if they
were to go out the window, they would use their hand. You know what I'm saying? Dumb asses, I swear. Oh, get this, get this. So outside of the children's window, there was a stroller with
an empty box sitting in it. This wasn't processed or even
considered as evidence either. It was said that there was
one fingerprint collected that did not match either of the parents. Now, this didn't matter though. Nobody gave a shit,
because Detective Piering said that he was convinced that Alice, she had done something to her children. He just needed to prove it. "Fuck that fingerprint," he said. Fuck that fingerprint, Alice did it. So he gives her a test. So while at the scene, poor
little Missy Crimmins' body was discovered in a vacant lot. She'd been strangled to death. Yes, I'm sorry, awful. Detective Piering was told
that the body of a little girl matching Missy's
description had been found, but nobody told the parents. I mean, the detective was
literally with Edmund and Alice at their apartment and
they didn't say anything. They're like, "Oh, 10-4, you know?" Now, instead, this detective thought it would be a good opportunity to try and test Alice, see if she knew more than
like she was leading on. So he puts her to the test,
and this is one sick test. So the detectives take
Alice in the car with them, and they drive to the vacant lot, where Missy's body was found. Mind you, they did not tell
Alice where they were going or that they even found
a body, so imagine that. Instead, they drove her to the scene, where she was escorted directly to her 4-year-old daughter's body. No warning, no heads up. The fuck. Alice sees her daughter,
Missy, lying on her side, dressed in her PJ still
with the pajama top, wound and knotted around her neck. When Alice finally realizes
what she is looking at, she says something along the
lines of like, "It's Missy." And then she fucking passes out. Also, there were police
officers all around and also the press. So she found out her
daughter had been murdered and had to ID her daughter in
front of a bunch of strangers with no heads up. Now, the detective
wanted to do this to see if she got like antsy or
reacted in some kind of way. When they went to the vacant lot, that was what like the test was, and no reaction besides when
they took her to the body. So I hope that sick man is happy or so. I don't know, just like so shitty. Just so shitty. Who does that, that should be illegal. Maybe it is, I didn't look it up. I only know like in this story. So she passes out, the
detective thinks she's just kind of being overdramatic
and playing for the press who was nearby. So the whole time, he's
like, "This bitch." Anywho, so after Alice
IDs her daughter's body, they put her in the car,
and they drive her back to her apartment complex. The detective noted that on
the drive, Alice did not cry. Again, very odd behavior to them and it is very odd behavior, but maybe she was fucking
shocked to her core. I don't know, either way,
it was very odd behavior, To them, it was like this mother
just suffered a major loss, and she wasn't shedding
a tear on the drive home. Like, it just, to them, any normal mother would be devastated. I don't know, have you ever cried so much that you just can't cry? Well, I don't know. I don't know, I don't have children. I don't know how I would react. I don't think any of us
know how we would react, really, until you're in
that position, I don't know. It is weird that she didn't cry. Well, again, there was like
press at the vacant lot area, but the media had gotten word in general about what was going on. So there was a bunch of press lined up at Alice's apartment waiting for them to arrive at her place, cameras in hand. So Alice like gets out of the car, and she's photographed
walking back to her apartment, and she has tears in her eyes,
but the detectives believed she was crying and acting
up for the cameras, and that it was all calculated, like, "Oh, she knew
exactly what she was doing. Don't believe those crocodile tears." Wait, is that what it's called, crocodile tears or alligator tears? But, you know, one of those guys who lives in like creeks, and moats, and shit. So they really were
like, "She's faking it. Don't believe her. She's faking it," well,
now what, you know, shit. So they leave Alice for the night. I don't know if Edmund
stays the night or not, I'm so sorry, I forgot to look that up. But either way, the next morning, the detectives come back
to question Alice more, and when they showed up, she had asked for a few more
minutes to finish getting ready while they waited in the
living room area for her. Not a good look. This did not help her case at all, because the detectives
again were thinking, "How could this woman
be putting on makeup, and getting ready when instead
she should be grieving?' Plus at this time, her
son was still missing." And to them it appeared that Alice was just continuing on
with her normal life like nothing ever happened. They just kept complaining
about how she was acting. Oh, no. It's unfortunate, because
like this does not help. Oh, Alice, no. Okay, so there was an
autopsy performed on Missy, and the results raised
even more suspicion. The contents of Missy's stomach showed that she hadn't eaten veal that night. But instead, she had been fed macaroni. You remember, earlier, I said
there was macaroni in the box, I mean, in the trash can? Yeah, so there was
macaroni in her stomach. Along with that, in her stomach,
there were carrots, beans, potato, and chewing gum in her stomach. But remember how the macaroni
box was found in the trash? Well, there were no photos taken of the freaking crime scene. So when Alice was like, "Yeah,
we had macaroni that night," because she kind of flipped
flopped in one interview. Well, in the original interview,
she said they had veal, and in another interview, she
said that they had macaroni. But if someone would've taken
a picture of the trash bin, I don't know, it could have
like helped solidify the truth. But no, nobody wanted to
do their job that day. Truly unfortunate. Missy had been strangled. There were no signs of sexual assault, but the medical examiner could not give an exact time of death, but speculated she had been
dead between 6 to 18 hours. And to investigators, this
meant that most likely, she had been murdered between the hours of 10:00 PM and 4:00 AM. It would be five days later that Eddie Junior's body was found. Now, here's the sad part, like I could not find
information like where his body was found or how anyone even found it. It was just like there was nothing. There was nothing, I don't know. But he was found five days later. Now, poor little Eddie's
body was so badly decomposed that they could not determine
like a time of death, and a cause of death
could not be determined. Investigators believed he had most likely been killed around the same time as Missy. Now, both of the parents,
Alice and Edmund, were questioned a lot. The detectives tried to
get something out of them even offering a lighter sentence if one of them wanted to confess. They never did, because
they said there was nothing to admit. Alice and Edmund had ended
up moving back in together to comfort each other
through like their grieving, but Alice continued to date other men. The detectives decided it would
be best to tap Alice's phone and have police follow her in hopes to like get evidence for their case. They believed Alice would
have to have accomplices, because the locations and times
which the bodies were found meant that like someone
else had to transport them at least one of the bodies. So they believed like there
had to be someone else who helped. So they're listening in, hoping to hear a
conversation about payment or maybe a conversation about the crime, just anything related. Instead, they got an earful of like sexually related conversations. I guess, they heard many
conversations with Alice in different men that were pretty spicy, and this seemed to the
investigators off even more. Of course, it did. Although, they used this against her, they went to her place of work, and informed them that their
employee, Alice Crimmins, was a promiscuous woman who was suspected of murdering her two young children. What do you think happens when
a detective goes to your work and says that? You're probably gonna get
fired, and guess what? Alice got fired. Hey, thanks. Wow. You know, then they went to Edmund, and they let him know that
Alice was entertaining other men in the bedroom. They felt it was their duty to inform him. Yes, their duty. Duty, I don't know, I don't know. Sick, the fact that they
went to her place of work blew me away, like what? It's not like she's actually
been like trialed for it or anything. No, these assholes just
wanted to ruin her life, and they sure did. For now, Alice had lost
her children, lost her job. She's not doing well. She's actively trying to
find work, which was hard, because her name and freaking
face were everywhere. Newspapers, everywhere. Plus, the police were just
straight up ruining her life. It was said Alice began drinking
a lot, I don't blame her, but she began drinking a lot, and started to like put shit together. She's realizing that these
detectives are not trying to help her find out what
happened to her children, but instead trying to
pin these murders on her. She's like, "Wait a
minute, wait a minute." She's realizing some shit. On top of that, this is when she found out that her phone had been wire tapped. I couldn't get clarification as to exactly how she figured
this out, but she did. When she realized this, every
time she picked up the phone, she would speak to whoever
was listening on the other end by saying something
along the lines of like, "Hi, boys, drop dead." Very polite, but she
knew they were listening, and they knew that she knew, that they knew that she was listening. Now, they also notice, because they're following
Alice everywhere, and listening to all of her
freaking phone conversations, and they did a little following
when it came to Edmund. You see, Edmund had been
acting pretty odd himself. Now, his behavior always
seemed like they had an excuse or something, or they just kind
of, I don't know, let it go. It was bizarre, I don't
know what their deal is. So Edmund, he was constantly asking police about their findings and
what the medical examiner had to say. He was very interested
in the investigation, and because of this, it was weird. I'm giggling a little
bit, 'cause it's like, he might just wanna know
what happened to his kids. I don't know, maybe they
both just wanna know. But what do we know? Eventually, the investigators asked Edmund to take a polygraph
test, which he was like, "Oh yeah, no problem. I'll totally do that for you, guys." But the day before it was
supposed to take place, he was spotted at a local library reading many, many books
about polygraph tests. Yeah, odd, hmm. The next day, he literally
took the polygraph test, and passed with flying
colors, which is nice, like, okay, but what was that about and why didn't they ask him about it? I don't know, because
they didn't want Edmund to be the bad guy, I guess. Alice told investigators
that she was receiving anonymous phone calls from a man who was like making threats towards her. And remember, the police are listening in. So they even noted that
the man on the phone sounded like Edmund, but
Alice was still their focus. Time kept on going by, there were no suspects other than Alice, and the case seemed to go cold. Maybe because they were
focusing on the wrong person. But I don't know, what do we know? We don't know nothing, we stupid. I'm having a really, really,
really ugly makeup day. I mean, I like where this eye is going, but my skin is so dry. I'm PMS-ing so everything looks like shit. I just smudged the fuck out of this. I'm having such a bad makeup
day, but I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try for ya! I just need to get it off my chest, because the standard needs to be lowered. It's not bad, but it's not great. Then the detectives receive
an anonymous letter, which they believe was
their break in the case. The letter was dated November 30th, 1966, and it was from someone who
claimed to be an eyewitness. The night of the children's murder. The letter said, quote,
"The night was very hot and I could not sleep. I went into the living room, and was looking out the
window, getting some air. This was at 2:00 AM. A short while later, a
man and woman were walking down the street." This was like around Alice's apartment. "The woman was about 5
FT. in back of the man. She was holding what appeared
to be a bundle of blankets that were white under her left arm. And was holding a little child
walking with her right hand. He hollered at her to, 'Hurry up.' She told him to, 'Be quiet
or someone will see us.' At that moment, I closed
my window, with squeaks. And they looked up, but did not see me. The man took the white bundle and heaved it into the
backseat of the car. The woman picked up the little baby and sat with him in the
backseat of the car. This woman was then with dark hair. The man was tall, not heavy, with dark hair and a large nose. This took place under a street light, so I was able to see it quite plainly. P.S. about one hour later, I thought I saw the man
getting into a late model white car," end quote. The first thing the
detectives wanted to do was figure out who the
hell sent this letter. They wanted to question this person. You know, they need some
like actual eyewitnesses. It's like, please give us something. So within the letter, they did find clues. I only read you a little snippet, like I left out the other
parts that were boring, 'cause there was just a bunch
of street names and whatnot. But within the letter, there were street names
and different clues. So they used these clues to track down or locate like what apartment
complex or whatever, what building this letter
may have came from, and it led them to a woman
named Sophie Earomirski. So Sophie was a middle aged woman who suffered from insomnia. She was known by her friends
to be quite the exaggerator and an attention seeker, yeah. When investigators interviewed her, her story seemed to change a little bit. Sophie told them that the
woman that she saw that night said something along the lines of like, "My God, don't throw her like that." But the woman she saw, and she said this with confidence, she was like, "It was
Alice Crimmins," you know? And it was like, okay, bitch, but like, why didn't you say
this in the letter originally if you felt so confidently about it? Sophie had seen Alice
around the neighborhood, but they didn't have much of
a relationship besides that. I mean, investigators were like, "Hmm. It's kind of weird that
originally in the letter, you described seeing a
woman with dark hair," you know, Alice had lighter, reddish hair. But regardless, this was the
break they were looking for. At the same time, they were
trying to track down Sophie. Investigators were also
trying to track down one of Alice's boyfriend's leathers, Joseph Rorech, remember him? Joseph. Police had heard some
spicy phone conversations between the two, and they
wanted more information. When looking into Joseph's background, they saw that his business
was going downhill. It was going downhill real quick, and he was drowning in a lot of debt. He had also written a
handful of bad checks, and was in some serious legal trouble. Plus, on top of that, he was
having an affair with Alice, and he was also married. So it was just like not a great look. When Joseph was interviewed, he recalled having a
conversation with Alice, where she was talking
about her custody battle with her husband, and during this conversation,
Alice said to Joe, this is according to Joe. "I'd rather see them
dead than with Edmund." This is a quote, but it was just something
she said stupidly. I think it's called a hyperbole. Anyways, you know, the
thing you just kind of say. You just say it, but you
don't actually mean it. That's what he's told investigators. And then other than that,
she had never said anything like directly incriminating
to him according to Joseph. But detectives and
whatnot, they wanted more. They weren't happy with this
answer he just gave them. They felt like, "We can
get more from you, Joseph." So investigators brought
up his criminal history, and offered him immunity from
his crimes only if maybe, you know, he gave them
some more information that would incriminate Alice. Now, remember, Joseph was in trouble for some serious crimes, so immunity, maybe I know a little
something, I'm not sure. Let me think about it. Well, listen, bitch, all of a sudden, he recalled, he was like,
"Oh my God, it's crazy. I just had this like,
that's a raven moment." He recalled that she
had told him something that was quite damning. With Joseph and Sophie's accounts, investigators put together
what they think were, what they thought had happened. They believe that night,
Alice was receiving help from a man with mob ties. They theorized that Alice strangled Missy, because maybe Missy
was in the way of Alice and one of her boyfriends
getting hot and heavy that night, which must have just enraged her, leading to her lover making a quick exit, and never being heard from again. Then Alice made a phone call to her other boyfriend, Anthony Grace, and they decided that the call must have been about like Missy's killing. Anthony according to them, then made some phone calls
to his mob friends for help. He told the, quote, unquote, "hoodlum" to go over to Alice's place,
and silence little Eddie, and that's when Sophie
spotted them leaving, believing that Missy was dead,
being carried in a blanket, and her older brother was walking behind. Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence? Do they even find a blanket at the scene? I don't even remember them
finding a blanket at the scene. Oh, whatever, listen to this. So on September 11th, 1967, it's been two years and two months after the deaths of her children, Alice Crimmins was arrested
for first degree murder of her daughter. I know, what, yeah. She was not being charged
in her son's death, because of how badly
decomposed his body was. It could not be medically proven
that he had been murdered. Of course, bitch, the
press was loving this case. Oh, it had everything, sex,
murder, more sex (laughs). I don't know what else
it had, but, you know, they focused, of course, on Alice's looks, her tight fitting outfits,
and the fact that she worked. Again, this was a time when
women should be homemakers, and not money makers. She was branded as a man hunter and a lowly cocktail waitress
who smacked gum loudly. Yeah, they were coming for her
for how she chewed her gum. Isn't that wild? Hey, I'm gonna be real
honest with you, guys. I'm having such a bad makeup day today. Like, everything is
going so wrong (laughs). I'm so bummed. I'm so bummed, okay, it's not about me, but I'm just letting you know
like I'm so bummed right now. I just wanna give up. Don't give up. Okay, listen, on top of that, of course, the media love to
focus mainly on her love life, which was causing moral
outrage with the readers. One of the papers labeled
her as sex pot on trial and described her as a,
quote, "a misbehaving wife, a Circe, an amoral
woman whose many affairs appear symptomatic of America's
sex revolution," end quote. So as you can see, nobody is actually coming
through with evidence. You know, they're all just talking shit and rubbing her to threats, and people following the
story were buying into it. Everyone was outraged by
Alice Crimmins' behavior and wanted her locked up. It got to the point where
Alice could not escape from the rumors and gossip
that was all around her. Poor thing. The trial started in May of 1968, and it was sensational to the extreme, partly because of the
sex related testimony, and partly due to Alice, her emotional outburst during the trial. Now, get this, 'cause
this was my favorite part. The jury was made up of
12 white conservative men. There wasn't a single woman on that jury, so I'm sure this is gonna go well. It's like what the fuck? They're setting her up to fail. Nobody wanted to actually
solve any murders, and see like, who the hell
killed these poor children? Nobody, like, what the hell? Anywho, when the physician
who first inspected Missy's body testified, he started describing to
the courtroom what he saw, then going into detail about what Missy was wearing at the time, Alice out of nowhere, she like
stood up and shouted, "No!" Yeah, and then she started to cry. It was pretty loud. So the judge was like, "Girl,
you better shut the fuck up, and let this man finish his testimony." So he went on and described the tie that was around Missy's neck
and how it appeared to him. And again, Alice was
crying uncontrollably, and this caused a scene, of course. So the judge put the court in recess telling Alice to get it the fuck together. Then Joseph Rorech took the stand. Oh yeah, now, this was
deeply upsetting to Alice. He told the pact court
that prior to the murders, Alice had discussed the
custody suit with him, and speculated that she
might simply take off with the children if she thought she might legally lose them. He also repeated her statement that she would rather see
them dead than with Edmund. Later, he said that the two lovers had been talking about (gasps) (laughs) I'm sorry. I literally saw something
that scared me in the mirror. (laughs) It was my reflection (laughs). I'm so sorry, I'm a fucking mess today. Later, he said that the two lovers had been talking about the children, and that's when Alice with tears
in her eyes had sadly said, quote, "Joseph, please forgive
me, I killed her," end quote. This was the additional information
he gave to investigators when offered immunity for his crimes. So, I mean, if you wanna
believe him, you can, but do you? You do? Get the fuck out of here. I'm just kidding, look, a lot of people like did believe him. So when Alice heard this in
the courtroom, she stood up, and she screamed like,
"Joseph, how could you do this? This is not true, Joseph. You of all people, oh my God." Like, she was just going off. Nobody could calm Alice down, and it was not a good look to the jury. I guess, it was said
that literally the day before he testified, he
asked Alice to marry him. Maybe this retaliation for her saying, "No," just a thought though,
I don't know anything. Then Ms. Sophie was brought
in to take the stand, and it was said, her testimony was one of the
most dramatic of all of them. Sophie said she had seen
a woman carrying a bundle, a man, and a little boy
that night at her window. He took the bundle, he
swung it under his arm, and then he walked very
quickly to the car. When she was testifying, it was said that the courtroom was (shushes) shut the fuck up. It was like shushing each other, because like they were
listening in anticipation, like leaning in, like, what
is this bitch gonna say? She was just a really
good like storyteller. Whoever this guy was, took this bundle, and threw it into the back
of the backseat of the car. She ran over to him and she said, "My God, don't do that to her." And then he looked at her and
said, "Oh, now you're sorry?" And she said, "Please, please,
please, don't say that." So this was like a new
little spin to her story. It was like, okay, cool. When asked if she recognized
the woman in the courtroom, Sophie instantly pointed her
finger just like, boom, Alice. She said, "That woman, Alice Crimmins," Alice, once again, deeply offended. She jumped to her feet screaming
like, "You liar, you liar." I guess, she said this like 10 times. The judge demanded that Alice once again get a freaking grip. I don't blame her though. Like, I don't know if you've
ever watched someone lie about you to your, like,
about in front of you. I don't know, it'd be hard not
to like wanna fucking fight. I don't know (laughs). I would beat this bitch, sorry. Sophie's testimony was very
popular with the courtroom, and most of the people there
were strongly convinced that Alice was indeed guilty. Alice's attorneys tried to
point out inconsistencies between Sophie's story from
what she told in investigators to the one she now told or
was telling in the courtroom, but it wasn't looking good for them, because people were
like, we believe Sophie. Like, she's not lying,
we believe this woman. She is older and we trust her. And like, damn, that sucks. Then Alice took the witness
stand in her own defense. Oh yeah, this could go
really bad or really good, but most of the times, it never goes well. But look, she takes a stand. They took her through like her background and the troubles in her marriage. When the questions had
turned to her children, it was said that, quote, "Crimmins began to shake uncontrollably, and tears began streaming down her heavily made up face," end quote. Yeah, that's what they said. Again, nobody seems to
be reporting on like, I don't know, like evidence and stuff. Like, where was it? So after that, the
judge declared a recess, but the trial actually had to be postponed until the next day, because
Alice on the stand had, I guess, when she was
done, she had fainted. And I know this totally
sounds like a soap opera or something, but she fucking fainted. Well, the next day,
she repeated the story. She had told the police
about like the night of her children's disappearance. Alice strongly denied that
she ever confessed to Joseph that she killed her daughter, Missy. It was everyone's word against
hers, and it was rough. Her boat was sinking. Look, it didn't get better
when she was cross-examined. They didn't have anything
on her, you know? So the prosecutor just brought out every possible detail of Alice's sex life knowing it was going to make her look bad. People were outraged by non-marital sex, especially done by a woman. What was the point of
even bringing up all this? I know, I don't know, that's all they had. As if that proved she killed her, this whole story just
like had me so livid, because who killed the kids? Doesn't anyone wanna fucking know? Sounds like the detectives don't. When Alice left the stand, she knew she made herself
look bad to the conservative, old fashioned men who made up the jury. And indeed, one of the jurors
commented to another juror, "A tramp like that is capable
of anything," end quote. I know what you're thinking. They should get a mistrial
over this juror's comments, and Alice's team tried to get a mistrial over these comments, but
the judge denied that idea. After 13 days in court, the
jury came back with a verdict of guilty of first degree manslaughter. Oh, what? With what evidence? Just with Sophie's and Joseph, I guess. The shock of the verdict caused
Alice to lapse into a coma. I'm not kidding, she went
to a full blown coma. She ended up in the jail
hospital for two weeks after her conviction. Then was transferred to prison when she, you know, got better. When she arrived at the prison, it was said that she became
like briefly hysterical. Then eventually, she calmed down, and she settled into the prison routine. Behind bars, Alice hired a
new lawyer who was well-known and well-respected in New York City. Many people were confused that
this guy like took the case, because first of all,
he's expensive as hell, and second of all, she was
just a, quote, "tramp", you know, you don't know,
but now, I'm telling you. That's what they, isn't that fucked up? That's just what they were calling her. But it turns out that the attorney was convinced of her innocence, and offered their services free of charge. The first thing the new attorney did was go to Queens County
Supreme Court Judge for bail on the grounds that
there was a good chance the conviction would not stand. It was granted, and
after 24 days in prison, Alice Crimmins was free,
but it's not over yet, okay? The second trial began in March, 1971, and it was six years after the deaths of the Crimmins children. I mean, this time, the
stakes were even higher than they had been and the first trial, because now, Alice was being
charged with both murders, first degree murder of her son, Eddie, and first degree manslaughter
in the death of Missy. Over the last couple of years
though, here's the kicker, the public had evolved. Women having sexual
relations was no longer as shocking as it once had been. The woman's liberation movement
was all the rage in 1971. And some early feminists,
as well as, many others believed that Alice was being
trialed for her sex life, and not for murder. Facts, come on. Edmund Crimmins, now divorced from Alice, testified in this trial. He did in the first one, too, but like nothing was like,
there was nothing really said. And like, same with the second round. Like, there was nothing
that implicated Alice. He stated that he had no feelings for her, and it was like, that was it. It was like, what about you
like taking your pants off, and showing like your ding-a-ling
to the kids at the park? You wanna talk about that? No, they didn't ask,
ain't that something, huh? It's literally the only thing I could find about like Edmund besides that. It was kind of a joke. Detective Piering testified
where he added something new. He added some spice to his statement. He said that Alice had told
them during their drive, quote, "The children were acting
up in the back of the car, and she swung and hit
the girl," end quote. That sucks, man, that fucking
sucks, everyone's against you. What if she didn't kill
her kids, you guys, you ever think about that? Guess who else took the stand? Anthony Grace, the boyfriend. And the prosecutor repeatedly asked him if she had requested any help that night, and if he had sent anybody
over to that apartment. He denied, denied, denied
that he had anything to do with the children's deaths. Once again, Sophie came back
for a dramatic testimony. You know, she gave her
testimony about the people she had seen from her window. Again, she was asked to identify
the woman in the courtroom, and she replied, "Alice Crimmins," ugh, I pointed like a psychopath. But Alice Crimmins stood
and shouted saying like, "It's not, you're a liar. In God's name tell the truth." The judge like uses gavel (brush thuds). Oh, that was loud, sorry, brush. The judge gaveled for order,
but she continued screaming. She was like, "You're a liar. You swore to tell the truth. Do you know what the truth is?" Again, the judge asked Alice
to get a grip on herself, and then declared a recess. And when they came back,
Alice's attorneys attempted to poke holes in Sophie's statements by raising doubts about her mental health. I guess at one point, Sophie
had overdosed on tranquilizers, and she like had to go to the hospital, get her stomach pumped,
it was very dramatic. She denied it was a suicide attempt, but he tried to get the jury to see that, you know, maybe she wasn't mentally well. Then he questioned her about the dialogue she had heard that night. From Sophie's window to like where she saw the people talking was
a pretty far distance. So the attorney asked her like, "Were they speaking loud
or were they yelling?" And Sophie had responded like, "No, they were talking in normal tones." And then Alice's attorney was like, "So you heard their conversation
from like 200 feet away? You must have magic ears, wow." And Sophie told them that like
she could hear conversations from her window all the time, because the acoustics carry
differently in the area. The acoustics carry
differently in the area. Oh, is that what it is? I don't know, it was a little suspicious, but okay, girl, I don't know. But like, people weren't riding that hard for Sophie this round, which is nice. Once again, Joseph took the stand, and said that Alice said, quote, "Forgive me, Joseph, I killed her." Alice stood up again yelling,
"You're miserable lying worm." I like that, worm. But, you know, it's like,
girl, you gotta stop, stop. So a surprise witness appeared, what? Yeah, surprise witness, a short and petite
housewife named Tina DeVita. I know, good name, good name, Tina DeVita. I'm Tina DeVita, and I'm here to testify. I swear to tell the whole
truth, nothing but the truth, and whatever else I need to say. Thank you. She testified that she had seen
a group consisting of a man carrying a bundle, a woman, a dog, and a boy walking in the area of the Regal Gardens apartment that night. But like, nobody knew who she was. Like, nobody knew where she came from. It was like, okay, and you are? You know, bizarre. During a recess and a
moment of desperation, Alice went to the reporters
that were all hanging out to make a plea to the public. She was like, you know,
on the verge of tears. Her voice was all like shaky and sad, and she pretty much just
spoke directly to the public. She was like, "I've come
here to make an appeal. I'd like anybody that
lived in my neighborhood to come forward, anybody
that lived in my neighborhood who might know something
about what happened on the night of July 13th
or the morning of July 14th. Anybody that saw something
or didn't see something, but I'm asking for help. I didn't kill my children. I swear I didn't kill them," end quote. That was a direct quote, I
know, but she was like pleading. Alice had been ordered to
not do any press interviews. The judge warned her that
if she did that again, her bail would be revoked, and she would go right back to jail. So she needed to shut the fuck up, is what he keeps telling
her over and over again. It sucks, because it's like
you're rooting for her, but you, and, you know, oh God. Then the next day, another
surprise witness appeared. This time, it was the prosecution's side that was worried by this testimony. The witness was a man
named Marvin Weinstein. He worked as a travel agency manager. He told the court that he had been walking on 153rd street in like the wee hours. The night of the murders. That specific night, he
had been visiting a friend, and he was with his wife,
son, daughter, and dog. Oh, what, yes. He went on to say that at the time, my son was three and a
half and his daughter was two years old, and that he had carried
his little girl in his arms wrapped in a blanket and had
his wife and the dog walking. And it's like, could this be the people that Sophie and Tina DeVita,
whatever the hell her name is, could have seen that night? Are these the people? I'm just saying, I mean that he, yeah, he was like, yeah, I
was there, that was me. Alice's attorneys were torn, like if she should take the
stand in her own defense again. I mean, they knew that
usually juries held it against defendants when
they remained silent. But the last time that
she was on the stand, they just focused on her sex life, and they would probably do it again. So her attorneys went to the judge, and asked that she not be questioned about her sexual history, because it had nothing
to do with the murders, and the judge denied this request. I know, fuck this judge. So they decide it would be best if Alice did not take the stand. They're like, "Girl, you
sit with this one out. You've dealt with a lot." Instead, Alice's team wanted
to focus on discrediting Sophie and Joseph's statements. So they asked the jury to
question Sophie's claims, pointing out that her story
had changed dramatically from her original letter to detectives. Then they pointed out a
doctor's report that said Sophie had neurotic tendencies to
subconscious exaggeration. If I were on the jury, I'd be like, "What the fuck does that mean?" But really, they asked the
jury to like really think about the statement that Sophie
could hear people talking in normal tones from 200 feet away. You know, saying that they
don't need a doctor to explain what kind of hearing it
would take for someone to actually be able to
hear the conversation clearly as she did. It had been six years of torture, all because of that letter
that Sophie had sent. Prosecutors came back and told the jury she doesn't have the
courage to stand up here, and tell the world she
killed her daughter. It was very dramatic. Alice stood up, she was
crying and yelled back like, "Because I didn't kill my daughter." The jury came back with a verdict, and baby girl, it was a harsh. Alice Crimmins was found
guilty of first degree murder in Eddie Junior's death and
first degree manslaughter when it came to Missy's death. When the verdict came out, the
courtroom absolutely lost it. Lots of tears and upset. And, of course, poor Alice,
when she heard the verdict, she just tapped out. She was crying, yelling
like, "Dear God, no, please. Like, why?" The second trial of
Alice Crimmins had ended, and she went to prison
for what everyone assumed would be the rest of her life. She had served more than two years when she was released in 1973. The Supreme Court in Brooklyn
reversed her conviction in Eddie Junior's case ruling
that there was no evidence of murder in the first place. They also reversed the
manslaughter conviction in Missy's case. Remember the prosecutor's claim, they said she didn't have
the courage to stand up there to tell the world as
she killed her daughter? Now, this was suggesting that
Alice was admitting guilt, and they were like,
because of this comment, like, they got her out of
it, is what I'm saying. And mind you, you have
the right to not testify. You don't have to testify, and it shouldn't be used against you. Just when she thought
like things were okay, February, 1975, the court of
appeals upheld the reversal of the murder conviction, great, but reinstated the
manslaughter conviction, and sent her back to prison. Yes, back to prison, she goes. That was not the end of the saga. This is like such, so much
drama, how exhausting. In 1997, a New York tabloid
broke the story that Alice was participating in a
work release program. And I mean, there are other
inmates who do the program, as well, but, you know, she's gonna be the one who is reported on. She was allowed every other weekend free. She was also given permission to marry her boyfriend, Anthony Grace. It was said that he would visit her at least once a week in prison. But the two, they got married,
and newspapers showed photos of the newlywed with her
husband on a beautiful yacht. And they're like the newlyweds,
and like how dare she? She still couldn't like
avoid the public eye and their disapproval of
everything she was doing. Even some New York politicians stepped in and made comments to the media that she should not be paroled,
is gross always by men. In November, 1977, after being in prison for more than three years, Alice was released on parole, what? Yeah, well, Alice, she's angry. She wants vindication, but her appeal for a new trial was denied, and the courts ruled that
she could appeal no more. No more appealing for you. They're like, "End it." Look, Alice was convicted of murder. Yes, but many had the question why? Regardless, Alice was
labeled as Alice Crimmins, the child killer. Never labeled as someone
who maybe was innocent, as a mom, as a person. She was always like a fucking tramp. It was like so lame. She had been found guilty
by the press and public way before she ever went to trial. Many believed that she was on trial for, again, her sex life rather than murder. And there was never any evidence that actually tied her to the crimes. And unfortunately, nobody actually tried to solve the murders. There were no other suspects considered. No. The detective work was laughable. The witnesses were unreliable. There was so many unanswered questions when it comes to this case. Like, it's, huh? Like, why wasn't Edmund investigated more? Why didn't he at least get
arrested for taking his pants off and showing kids his ding-a-ling? It's not funny, but, you know,
what the fuck was that about? Like, this dude was creepy, and he obviously was up to something, reading about polygraph tests before you take a polygraph test. I mean, you could say you wanna do like a little bit of research, but why didn't they try to find the owner of that one fingerprint
they found at the scene? Oh, so many questions, no answers. Alice tried to spend her life staying out of the public eye
with her husband, Anthony, but the deaths of like little Eddie and Missy remain a puzzle,
a complete mystery, and technically is unsolved to this day. Here's what I'm gonna ask you. Do you think Alice Crimmins
got away with murder? Let me know down below, I'm
very interested in hearing it. Look, here in my closing thoughts here. I just was interested in the story, because it was obvious
from the very beginning. I mean, even the detective
said like, "I don't like her, I don't like her." You know, and he went right after her. And I just feel like, I don't know, like what's more sad is that it was never about the children. You just heard how it went. It was all about hating on Alice, and like, what about the kids? Didn't anyone wanna solve that mystery? Oh my gosh, it's sickening,
it's so sickening. And where was the evidence that
linked Alice to the crimes? Like, what the fuck was
wrong with these people? I don't know what happened
to Edmund afterwards, because no reporting was
like done on that guy, no one cared. I hope like Alice Crimmins
found peace and closure. And honestly, fuck these people. I'm sorry she had to go through that. Just crazy, I mean, do
the show dark history and it's kind of similar, like there's a lot of little
witch hunts throughout history, and this is another example of that, where it's just like, oh,
woman, pretty, bad, sex, bad. Like, it's just stupid, it's so dumb. We're over it, so stop. Anyways, I'd love to know your
guys' thoughts down below. Sorry if I just, sorry, I'm PMS-ing bad. I'm angry and my makeup, I feel like my makeup looks like poop. It's not bad, bad, but it didn't come out how I wanted it to. Anywho, okay, I need to stop complaining. I'm gonna go take a nap. Anyways, I love you, guys. I wanna hear your thoughts down below, and let me know who you want
me to talk about next time. But other than that, I hope you have a good rest of your day. You make a choices,
please be safe out there, and I'll be seeing you guys later. Goodbye. I'm gonna take a Midol,
that's what I need, damn. (tense suspenseful music)
