Cinderella: Stop Blaming the Victim

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šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 1 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/AutoModerator šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 06 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

I needed this. Iā€™ve always identified with her but hated the flak she got. But the symbolism is spot on though.

She suffered childhood trauma and abandonment issues for sure. Her line of work was one of servitude( codependency/people pleasing) mainly to her stepmother (the voice in your head that beats you when you do something stupid).

Her freedom came when she decided to do something for herself. By putting herself first she got more than she ever anticipated.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 22 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/ethnicallyabiguous šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 07 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

This is very common and part of why some (or many) men feel entitled to treat very feminine women with an extra lack of respect and feel more at ease with using them as a sexobject

I think it is no coincidence that one of the most frequently violated statues is one of the few female statues, the little mermaid in Copenhagen

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 36 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Saitschik šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 06 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

In a world where I was force-fed misogynistic religious and cultural messages, I chose Cinderella as my example of how best to deal with my abuse and oppression. It is true power to retain your kindness and optimism in the face of cruelty and trauma.

This exploration of Cinderellaā€™s themes is spot-on. Just check my username. šŸ˜‰

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 7 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/cinderella_rising šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 07 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

Iā€™ve always seen Cinderella in a different light than many of my peers. My father is an emotionally abusive narcissist, much like Lady Tremaine, and while I wasnā€™t the scapegoat all the time (like Cinderella), I still identified with her. To me, Cinderella was a young woman who wanted a night of freedom from the abuse, who eventually escaped that situation. Instead of letting her abusive upbringing make her nasty and abusive as well, she chose to break the cycle and remain kind.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 22 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/mercybenelli šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 06 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

Mods, just occurred to me that this may not belong here, but I thought it warrants a discussion that stereotypically feminine characters are deemed sexist by our culture and girls are told to favor badass characters who wield more masculine traits. I think as a culture we've been unfair to Cinderella, simplifying her as some passive character who waited to be rescued by a prince, which is not the story at all.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 21 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/BaffledBazaar šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 06 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

This warmed my heart ā™” There are different types of strengths but they are all equally valid. I love that feminine strength was noticedā™”ā™”

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 3 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/sunny990802 šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 07 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies

LOL so your problem is that you think any female character who is not a passive actor is automatically ā€œa manā€? Women have always been soldiers and fighters, that doesnā€™t make them men. Most modern disney princesses are not sword wielding heroes yet they actually get stuff done. Anna and Elsa? Moana? All the ā€œpushbackā€ seems to be against older princesses who frankly werenā€™t very interesting characters. Most media is still saturated with girls who solely exist to look pretty and find a man. All these ā€œbadass warriorsā€ you seem to hate are not real. And if this is all youā€™re seeing you need to watch and read other genres.

Oh, the sequels are much better. We actually explore her character and she doesnā€™t exist to find a prince who rescues her. Have you watched ā€œEver afterā€? Now thatā€™s a Cinderella version I can get behind.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 2 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/AuroraDullik šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Jul 07 2020 šŸ—«︎ replies
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Cinderella has gotten a lot of grief in recent years for being anti-feminist, but does the movie really deserve this hate? The 1950 film is often assumed to be a story about a weak, passive woman who has to be rescued by Prince Charming and becomes a rich, happy princess thanks to pure dumb luck and a pretty face. The film has become a straw man for the argument that Disney princesses are not good role models for girls. But if we look closer at the actual movie, this is all a misreading that doesnā€™t pan out. Painting Cinderella as no more than a damsel in distress ignores the context of her life and blames a victim of emotional and physical abuse for being unable to escape her situation. This unnuanced view cheapens what is actually an empowering message at the heart of Cinderella. This isnā€™t a story about a man stepping in to save a helpless woman. Itā€™s about a woman who faces adversity head on, who chooses kindness and optimism even when itā€™s hard, and who uses her own creativity and inner strength to rescue herself. The story of Cinderella is so familiar to us, itā€™s easy to assume we know everything about it and watch the film passively. Disney itself now even plays into the Cinderella fallacy, as we can see in The Cheetah Girls. ā€œI donā€™t wanna be like Cinderella / Sittinā€™ in a dark cold dusty cellar / Waitinā€™ for somebody to come and set me free.ā€ But the criticisms usually focus on our cultureā€™s shared interpretation of Cinderella, not what the character actually says and does in the film. "That means I can go, too!" "Huh! Her, dancing with the prince!" "Well, why not?" Sure, the princess culture at large markets unfair beauty standards and other problematic ideas to young girls, but it doesn't actually make sense to saddle this film in particular with so much blame. Critics of the movie probably feel theyā€™re espousing girl power by attacking the damaging idea that a happy ending equals a handsome prince. But, counterintuitively, the tendency to dismiss Cinderella is actually a little sexist. The characterā€™s chief personality traits -- kindness, caring and optimism -- are stereotypically feminine. "Cinderella likes you too! She's nice, very nice." "Poor little Gus! Here!" Cinderella doesnā€™t stand up to her abusers in a traditionally masculine way. She doesnā€™t physically fight back, make daring plans of escape, or hold back her tears. So writing off Cinderella is on some level buying into masculine standards of strength and weakness. Saying her traits of kindness and perseverance arenā€™t good enough devalues femininity. And it also unfairly presumes that a victim of abuse should fight back. Because weā€™re primed to watch Cinderella passively, people tend to willfully ignore the context of Cinderellaā€™s upbringing and the trauma she suffers as a child. Even though the opening scenes of the film literally state that her stepmother abused her. "Cinderella was abused, humiliated, and finally forced to become a servant in her own house." Lady Tremaine is lit in a way that reminds us of a horror movie. The visual contrast between her and Cinderella makes it clear that Cinderella has no power in their dynamic, and she has no choice but to obey. We witness a truly disturbing scene of abuse when Cinderellaā€™s stepsisters rip the clothes from her body, while Lady Tremaine watches with satisfaction. Cinderellaā€™s eyes widen in total terror as she backs away from her stepmotherā€™s advances. And her expression communicates to kids that Lady Tremaine is as scary and powerful as any dragon or witch. The black background as Anastasia and Drizella rip Cinderellaā€™s dress frames and emphasizes the terror in Cinderellaā€™s face. The stepsisters leave Cinderella feeling destroyed, her dress in tatters. And the scene leaves us feeling we've just watched a violent assault. "Through it all, Cinderella remained ever gentle and kind, for with each dawn she found new hope that some day, her dreams of dreams of happiness would come true.ā€ Cinderella has to retreat into her imagination in order to stay sane. Our first interaction with her shows her using fantasy as a coping mechanism, and remarking that dreams are the only aspect of her life she can control. "Well there's one thing -- they canā€™t order me to stop dreaming.ā€ A key thing our culture often misses is that Cinderellaā€™s dreams donā€™t revolve around a man, but around a vision of future happiness, where she can live free from her abusers. "If you keep on believing / the dreams that you wish will come true." Cinderellaā€™s inner strength and tireless imagination manifest physically as the Fairy Godmother. ā€œIf youā€™d lost all faith, I couldnā€™t be here.ā€ Itā€™s when she believes sheā€™s hit rock bottom that her Fairy Godmother materializes, and the reprise of ā€œA Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makesā€ "It's just no use..." -- tells us that she is the embodiment of Cinderellaā€™s dreaming or her heart's wish. When she needs it most, Cinderella has willed a loving maternal figure into existence. Since she has no real family, the fairy represents her determination to mother herself. The Fairy Godmotherā€™s magic works through imagination, creativity, and resourcefulness -- all qualities that Cinderella relies on for her survival, as that represent the true powers. Each magical transformation finds hidden potential in what Cinderella already has. A pumpkin becomes the carriage, the mice become horses, and Cinderellaā€™s horse, who assumes heā€™ll pull the carriage, becomes the coachman. Gusā€™s transformation especially symbolizes how imagination can help us overcome our oppressors. When heā€™s transformed into a horse, heā€™s finally able to escape Luciferā€™s clutches,. Cinderellaā€™s ability to remain positive makes her fantasy of freedom become a reality, at least for the night of the ball. Cinderella proves that imagination can be power, offering joy and independence when the outer world seems bleak, and training the mind to be resourceful. "Well, maybe this is a little old-fashioned, but I'll fix that." So Cinderellaā€™s fantasies really displays of strength from within, not the passive, mindless daydreaming they're often seen as. Her ultimate triumph over evil comes when Lady Tremaine shatters the original glass slipper, and Cinderella reveals that she has the other. Her imagination and inner strength brought her the Fairy Godmother, her night at the ball, and thus the glass slipper, so Cinderella provided herself with the one thing that could free her from this abusive household. This slipper is physical, hard evidence that Cinderella willed her fantasies into a reality. A glass slipper is the perfect symbol of a dream made real. Itā€™s made of glass, delicate and fantastical, not the most practical footwear -- even the idea of a ā€œglass slipperā€ seems otherworldly. But it is real. It can be felt and seen. Lady Tremaineā€™s act of breaking the slipper is her symbolic attempt to shatter Cinderellaā€™s dreams, but those dreams canā€™t be destroyed. So we see that the shoe isnā€™t a frivolous accessory at all, but the tool Cinderella needs to break free. ā€œAfter all, I suppose it would be frightfully dull, and boring, and completely...wonderful.ā€ For Cinderella, wanting to attend the ball actually has nothing to do with finding a prince. Itā€™s about freedom, choice, and agency over her own life. "Oh, no. What do they want?" Itā€™s a much-needed fun night off, a much needed brief escape from the oppression of her daily life. ā€œHave a good time! Dance! Be gay! Now off you go, you're on your way!ā€ Itā€™s not Cinderella, but her stepfamily, who are preoccupied with the princeā€™s eligibility. "Every eligible maiden is to attend." "Well that's us!" "And Iā€™m so eligible!ā€ In the scene where the prince first sees Cinderella, she doesnā€™t even see him. Sheā€™s enamored of her surroundings, excited to explore a new place she normally wouldnā€™t have the privilege of visiting. She doesnā€™t even realize sheā€™s dancing with royalty. "Oh, the prince. I haven't met the prince." "A prince?" The unexpected love she finds functions as poetic justice for her cruel step family, who are punished for their vanity and greed by witnessing the object of their hatred receive the very thing they coveted. Cinderella's good heart makes her capable of true love, whereas her stepsisters are far too petty and selfish for a true connection. The experience of falling in love is also an unforeseen reward for Cinderellaā€™s righteousness and perseverance. She escapes her abusive family to start a new one that will reflect her values and understanding of what a positive loving environment can be. The prince is also absent not just from Cinderellaā€™s dreams but also her final escape. Ultimately, she saves herself. When Lady Tremaine discovers Cinderella was the one dancing with the prince at the ball, she follows Cinderella to her room and imprisons her there, in yet another undeniable act of abuse. Itā€™s Cinderella who retrieves the key to her door through teamwork with her animal friends. The term ā€œCinderella Storyā€ is often applied to sports or other situations when someone unknown comes seemingly out of nowhere for a huge win beyond anybodyā€™s expectations. But the Cinderella in these stories has struggled and worked to bring about their success. So while it may it look like dumb luck to an outsider, the Cinderella is generally receiving the just rewards of hard work, grit, humility, and believing in dreams that seems unrealistic, all things that Cinderella herself exemplifies. ā€œWhere? In the trap?! Why didnā€™t you say so?ā€ Cinderella demonstrates that real kindness is active, not passive. Rescuing her friends in this oppressive household is brave and heroic. The film establishes Cinderellaā€™s compassion. She clothes and feeds the animals, and they show their gratitude by helping with her morning routine. Itā€™s reciprocity for the care and love she generously offers them. When Gus gets stuck in a mousetrap, we see that Cinderella is quick to help those who canā€™t help themselves. And sheā€™s spirited -- she doesnā€™t hesitate to tease her friends -- ā€œServes you right for spoiling peopleā€™s best dreams!ā€ -- or stand up for herself in her interactions with Lucifer. "You mean, old thing! I'm just going to have to teach you a lesson." These interactions are important to show us that Cinderellaā€™s not a pushover. She knows when sheā€™s being treated unfairly, and, when she can object, she does. But there's a distinction between this and someone who represents a truly grave threat to her safety. When Cinderella tells Bruno to stop dreaming of chasing Lucifer, itā€™s because disobeying Lady Tremaineā€™s orders could result in losing his home. "Suppose they heard you upstairs...You know the orders. So if you don't want to lose a nice, warm bed, you'd better get rid of those dreams." She knows that Brunoā€™s situation could become parallel to her own, and sheā€™s been forced to value practicality over justice in order to survive. Nearthe end, we see a return to the parallel between Cinderella and Bruno "Bruno...Yes, Bruno! Quick! Get Bruno! Get Bruno!" At this critical moment, Cinderella decides that Bruno should disobey orders, despite the danger, because they have a real opportunity to escape. Her changed attitude toward Bruno reflects that sheā€™s newly emboldened in own situation. But the help of her friends -- and her concern for them as well -- are key to all of their rescue. In the end, the friendships Cinderella has built through kindness make her escape possible. It's unfair of us to expect that Cinderella should be able to escape her situation sooner just by being a little bit sassier. She grows up in an abusive environment where she lacks all power. Her kindness and ability to cope through fantasy actually represent her strength and bravery in the face of adversity. In the time since the filmā€™s release in 1950, perhaps qualities like kindness and optimism have come to seem simple, obvious and naive. But in reality, these qualities are undervalued, difficult to practice and not at all common. This is a story about a woman who is both feminine and strong, who doesnā€™t have to rely on a man, or take on traditionally masculine characteristics, to triumph over evil. The movieā€™s not perfect and certainly reflects its times, but the desire to oversimplify Cinderella as backward reflects a hidden disdain for femininity. A closer look at the character reveals that this has been a story about a strong woman all along. "Oh, well, it's over and..." "Cinderelly. Look! Look! Your slipper. Your slipper." "Thank you. Thank you so much for everything."
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Channel: The Take
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Length: 13min 5sec (785 seconds)
Published: Sat Nov 11 2017
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