Chris Cuomo and Thane Rosenbaum: the front-row seat to American politics

good evening everyone welcome to folks at the 92nd Street Y we are joined today with my good friend Chris Cuomo many of you know Chris lots of fans out here Chris I heard one yeah well but we just started with his he's the co-anchor of new day every morning in fact he's normally asleep at this time so this was quite a favor for us he just came off of a one-month run of a new program called primetime in which he was doing both the morning new day and prime time and we're gonna talk about prime time going to find out what's happening with that because it was phenomenally successful let's see you know he was once a correspondent at Fox News he was the co-anchor at 20/20 people don't remember this I remember this he was the law and justice correspondent ABC News and all the power we know each other and yeah I'm gonna get to that I'm gonna get before I'm gonna lead with something really cool people don't realize how many Emmy Award nominations he's had he's won a Polk award a Peabody Award and Edward Murrow award it's a really highly decorated journalist I I however remember him as a law student at Fordham Law School many many many years ago and then even after that he and I used to work out together in the morning and I'm probably the only person in this room maybe who knows he could actually dunk a basketball really well huh still no no I can't no I'm lucky if I can dunk doughnuts and coffee he could really dunk a basketball and and I and maybe we'll get him to talk about this other little tidbit there was a time when you were at Yale I think that you thought you wanted to be an actor right that was something that was in your mind so anyway and let's welcome Chris Cuomo so you come from this dynastic political family we all know that your brother now is presently the Governor of New York your father was a three-term governor of New York I'm proud to say that Governor Cuomo was on this stage many times several times with me and I'm very honored by that one time he was hilarious I know he is Matilde here as mrs. Cuomo here she I didn't rape enough yeah if it were Andrew he heat maybe you know what that's gonna be on demand and we're gonna send her it's only funny because it's true what about the other kids what you have come for any of the others but and oh absolutely because and this is a completely non secret with anybody who knows the family but the women in the family are so much more successful more beneficial to society and more light than Andrew and I we just talk the most for attention but my oldest sister Margaret is I mean all them but she was not just a doctor she was one of the first board-certified radiologists women in the country yeah she is now at the forefront of research on how food is so determinative of what happens to us in terms of cancer she wrote a book about it she speaks all over the country about it phenomenal intellect never finished less than at the top of her class and so she got pops gene there she Maria is runs one of the country's largest homeless housing organizations help on the side your housing enterprises for the less privileged help on the side she makes documentaries her last two documentaries have made it to the final round of consideration for Oscar nominee she was a guest here yeah showed and that's her hobby we showed Newtown yes and we also showed the Invisible War right yeah and then Madeleine who has the best legal mind in the family or at least that's what pop would say she was a lawyer for UNICEF she was a pioneer female attorney in the big Wall Street set hundred years ago and she was fundamental to my father as a sounding board into Andrew now she was somebody where if you want to hear the truth about whether or not what you're saying makes sense and works caller that's who you ask so they are all phenomenally more useful to society than we are and Madeline's husband was my former teaching assistant Brian O'Donoghue my again my mother's favorite male in the family is an Irish guy named Brian O'Donoghue former fireman yeah and again only funny because it's true all right I'm gonna we're gonna we're just gonna be on demand and I'm gonna send her this so she can watch you yes well you better tell her it's something about her and about mentoring or she won't watch it but mother runs a big national mentoring program it is the focus of her existence especially now that pop is gone and let me just say quickly I am well aware of my father's legacy in this place and it is a very big part I don't do a lot of this I have very little interest in what I have to say about anything and that was that was something that was shared by my father he had very little interest in what I had to say about anything as well but it was important to him that the 92nd Street wise mandate be met and that as they say on the brochure in a world that often seems shallow you should be ready to go deeper and he believed in that he loved this place he loved the conversations he loved you guys he loved this audience of thinkers and people who would come at him he really did and you should you should feel good about it because it wasn't easy to earn his regard so that's a big reason that I'm here tonight I'm aware of the legacy I'm happy to continue it let me tell you a Matilda and Mario line that came on this stage your dad one time and I had him on the stage was just absolutely hilarious he was always charming but this time he was really funny every line was good they just ate him up was there water in his too were you giving him alone I was giving a little juice emoji similar because he could not hold his booze you put a little something in this you get all kinds of so you set him up that night where you told that joke about how he couldn't and if there's any it was a joke about sex that if sex isn't mentioned this was a guy that if sex was ever mentioned he's out of the rats out he's gone he won't even touch her spouse he was of the my expense of the Democratic Party no no pence and no no iPad so he told the story said that your mom refused to marry he was at the time a semi-professional he was a professional baseball players and he had dreams of becoming the next Joe DiMaggio yes another great italian-american and your mother Matilda set him on another path she said I'm not marrying a baseball player I want to marry a lawyer and my girls do that he told the yacht's now what happened that's what he told this I know of course that's what he told the audience it's good for him that's not what happened what happened he got hit in the head with a ball this is true he got hit they didn't wear batting helmets back when he was playing pop got beaned was in the hospital my mother didn't hear from him she interpreted it as he was you know out on the reservation running around send him a telegram saying I'm not him so this was on the road yeah lose my number and he went right back to Brooklyn and got married he thought he lost her and he used his signing bonus pop got a bigger signing bonus than Mickey Mantle did the year after he was drafted he used to call one of the worst investments in baseball but he went back and he married my mother so that's why and I don't think she said yes at first either but then she obviously did yeah but but there was some truth that she wanted a little bit of Troy just like everything else he did a little bit of truth preferred the lawyer to the baseball player she did not want to marry some guy who was running around in South Georgia is what it was I understand and she was right and she wound up putting him on this path my mother and one of my father's very good friends named Vincent Albany z who's still with us and doing well he convinced my father to get involved with public service so I always tell people when they're cuomo haters I say blame him don't blame me so there was a time you thought you might be an actor you gave that up you gret you graduated at University at Fordham University at the law school with when with when I was there yeah and you went and worked for a very short time at a law firm and then you gravitated immediately to broadcast journalism in the earlier days of these incarnations of some of these networks because you were on CNBC you didn't filed reports I remember we would leave the gym in the morning and you'd say don't forget to watch tonight right and I it's true cuz I didn't really know I was vaguely aware of these networks like MSNBC which became huge but Chris was really one of those early pioneers on those shows you were taking batting practice on those shows so did you did you at some point make the decision where you can talk about acting as well but public life was not for you you didn't want to do what your dad did and what obviously Andrew wanted to do yeah I've never had so many the decisions you make are a function of your own personal experience right so I understand the value in public service I don't like that people are kind of default into this idea that everybody involved in public service is somehow bad or on the take it's just it's not true and it's like so much of the talk today in politics it's more convenient than it is compelling if you if you look at the truth of it but when you grow up in politics it is hard to see that as a path that you want to take so to watch my father you know in the agonizing and the losing and the not being able to provide for his family the way he would have liked and my mother would have liked and the compromises and the money and you know and pop was so against the money in politics the worst thing you could do with him was donate to him if you gave money to his campaign it like guaranteed he'd never talked to you again he was so appalled by the nature of the need so that was my experience and you know I just I didn't see what made it worth it now Andrew then had a very different conclusion and does not like when I say this and we've had a lot of conversations about this and he is also right I believe in my brother you know he's a hero of mine I never had to go outside my own family for male role models but I don't see the virtue of the trade-off the way he does Andrew is willing to take the beating and not make money or lead a more pleasurable life and spend more time with his kids because he believes in the mission he believes it's all worth it now do you think that's because he he actually was your father's campaign manager in part and he lived it in a way you could argue that would give him more reason not to think that because he was actually making the sausage but he believes it it's really in his head and in his heart and people make a mistake about Andrew and they look at him and just see him as a brilliant tactician and a great worker of the systems of government you're missing a romantic and he's not a romantic like my pop was and it's not a fair comparison you know my father came up with such an intrinsic sense of being a warrior you know he was so disadvantaged people were so against him and telling him he was less than his entire life that that was just who he was that's why he went into public service so Andrew didn't have that background but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have in his heart what pop did because he very much did and so much of my father going in 1984 and doing that speech that everybody that wound up meaning so much to so many we showed a portion of it here yeah he was here he wouldn't have done that if Andrew didn't push him to do it Paula didn't want to give the speech he didn't think he deserved a platform he didn't think he had a message that would resonate he didn't think it was worth it people would think that who does he think he is he just got in and now he's given this keynote speech who was he to give it Andrew as much as anybody if not more told them that he was worth it that it mattered that if he wanted to fight the good fight this is what he would do that's who big brother is very often I don't agree with his politics on things in his methodology but that's part of being brothers and part of being a clear-eyed thinker but that's one of the misunderstandings people have about him they see the brilliance as a tactician and they assume therefore that there's some kind of impersonal nature to that there's an antiseptic nature to that there's a harshness to that those are true as attributes but not in terms of the true story of who he is and I have no reason to lie about my brother because I have no interest in seeing him be in office I would love for my brother to decide this has been enough I want to go do something I want to build houses I want to build marinas I want to do something else I would love that I'd love to see him escape the scrutiny which is way too often unfair I'd love that so I'm not putting a cell on you for Andrew I'd love for him to find another way to meet his own passions but I don't see happening now the performative actor Chris Cuomo have you reconciled that in the career that you then ultimately chose is it satisfying whatever it was at Yale that made you think you'd be on the stage does this have a piece to it every morning on national television I don't know that's a good question thing I think that uh I I believe I hate shtick I don't lie I can sense theatricality and see when somebody is projecting something that's not authentic very easily and I think most of you can right I mean I think that's one of the things that bleeds through a television camera is a weird thing you know I always feel that it actually captures more about what's inside somebody than what you're actually experiencing on the outside you get a feel especially if it's done right that's why we always move in close on people you know you get to read somebody's face it often is more impressionable than the words coming out of it I think that's equally true about live television because it's so hard to keep up a gimmick with that much time that many hours you know people staring you there's very little relief from looking at the people on the screen so I do not see myself that way I give very very little thought we've talked about this before I don't think about how I'm going to come across probably to my disadvantage sometimes frankly I get myself into some situations I probably could avoid but it's just not why I do the job I don't care enough about the popularity that would fuel more intensity and thought about my presentation does that make sense yeah because speaking of presentation of to two offshoots to this question can you tell us a little about the primetime experience it was phenomenally successful I think you enjoyed it this room seems to avoid one person and now all of this just makes it worse so but it must have been back-breaking you mean normally you'd be asleep at this time and said you were on telly did that job in my sleep that's how easy it was normally you would be sleeping at there yeah I hear I'll tell you two funny things here's the first funny thing what I have on right now with this addition of a black tie that I bought I wore every night of that show for an entire month and three people noticed and I did it for two reasons one I dig the look and two I obviously you know what's to like about I look like a mortician but the second reason was I wanted to show how little that matters and that and I'm first of all there's much more attention to what women wear and fashion and all that stuff with them than there is with men that's true but even if you want to take that as granted it just doesn't matter we put too much emphasis on the wrong things in these struggles for meaning that we're having right now and that's part of it you know I wore the same thing for a whole month nobody cared it doesn't matter what I wear you know it's it's about what you're saying why you're saying it how you're saying it so that was the challenge for me to go at night the boss asked me to do it I serve at the pleasure of the boss and he said I want to try something out at night and their reasons for that I mean you know he would have to offer them my understanding of it was night time on cable is a crucible it is like Thunderdome did you guys see the Mad Max movie or Thunderdome well then maybe you would assume but the kind of is the kind of stuff I watch by the way over understand why I am the way I am you know Thunderdome two men enter one man leaves one day you're the of the walk the next day you were a feather duster you know that is very much this existence it's very existential it's it's very combat and not true in the morning the morning is different I mean it's bled through a little bit but there's people are just waking up you know you can't be that hostile bed early you know then you're gonna if you've got a real problem if you wake up that way you know so you have to be mindful of that where you're meeting people as in all you know where are they what are they doing what's going on when they're watching you and then you have to start considering first screen second screen third screen are they watching you on their computer they watching you on their TV at home and they're watching you on their phone you know how do they digest this information how should you give it to them those are all things we're thinking about much more in cable than they do in network where I've also been obviously so the challenge of Thunderdome I am drawn to I believe in fighting the good fight I think that what is going on and we can talk more about this right now and I know it may not even be popular with this audience necessarily but I think you have to make a decision about whether or not you want to prove that you're right or whether you want to get something done you are not going to be able to achieve both it's it's not going to happen the the polarization that's going on is deep and real and I don't mean that in this area code I am all over this country all the time and very rarely with a camera on live television it's usually just deep immersion documentary work or I'm there for coverage of a very bad situation where you have to see yeah real raw reality the division is real it always has been in this country but it is different now and this need to be right and whether it's you know dealing with a lot of the softballs that the president is giving the left right now and how they deal with when he does something that was poorly thought out or is wrong or as dangerous how you deal with it winds up becoming as important as what has been served up to you in the first place and the right has its own problems with that so you have these silos this echo chamber where people are seeking comfort of confirmation that's not who we are it's not who you should want to be that's why I did it at night I said it at the end I got like all these people I love when both sides attacked me I get a get a kick out of that I like to see myself as that aisle you know like let's hear between these two groups I like that one I don't know why I think I think it's something that's wrong with me on some kind of deal but I also think it's being raised at Cuomo you know it's like being raised by wolves you know if you're not in some kind of confrontation you're not happy you know this is all too easy everybody's so happy here no so the the idea of I like what this man is saying I like what this woman is saying that makes me feel good they're giving me more ammunition for where I am right now that's fine but you will never get anywhere that way you will never get anywhere on gun control if you continue to define it as I want gun control or you're a second Amendment person as long as you stay in those silos there will be nothing of any value that comes out of the process it can't you have to give you have to pick what matters to you and figure out accommodations on policy it's just how it is that's why we are where we are with this I've been in more of these school shootings than anybody in this room I guarantee it and I do not like that distinction I do not like going there I do not like looking at these families in the face and know that I can offer them no solace and I cannot give them any confidence or hope in the proposition that well at least it won't happen again at least somebody else's baby somebody else's spouse somebody else's friend will want to have to do this again and they all look at you in the eyes and want that relief and I can't give it and there's something very soul-sucking about that but I had pretty clear eyes on this thing I knew that I look I have a lot of respect for Rachel Marron Maddow she is really smart and that's not a given in television she is really smart she's really thoughtful she's really cogent no question about that but she is talking to a group of people who agree with what she says every night okay she is I'm not criticizing it that's not my game I don't need to drag other people down I lift myself up I'll leave that to the politicians Sean Hannity I'm sure not that popular guy in this room I've known him a long time he's been really good to me on a personal level I know him much better personally than I do Rachel Maddow he is preaching to the converted no we ain't Rachel Maddow I would never want to see him go at it with her in a Trivial Pursuit contest right I wouldn't want to see him player in clue I think but he is preaching to a group of people who believe in what he's saying but where does that leave you so my feeling was look let me get involved in this mess because I don't really give a damn about being popular I know that they're two sides but see here's what we're missing I know this this happens to be true it may resonate it may not it may wind up being dispositive in terms of who people watch on TV and it may not I don't know but I know it's true and we were talking about this before so forgive me thing but the if you ask people in this country how do you identify yourself Democrat Republican or independent the independence outnumber the other two all right that's who this country is there are tons of independent thinkers who are being drowned out of this shouting match that we're having so the metaphor used to be well this is a fight we're watching the left and the right and nobody watches a fight for the referee which is who's CNN was I don't agree with the metaphor anymore I see it more as Game of Thrones where you have these two big kingdoms that are going at it but there are other kingdoms that are there that if you took them in total they are actually more populous and frankly more powerful than the two main kingdoms so I wanted to do that to reach out to the independent thinkers and to the independent voters and even though I know that this is somehow not seen or as journalism or is even abusive of it I do this job for a couple of very simple reasons I believe in trying to make a positive difference if I didn't think I was making a positive difference I wouldn't do the job I don't care about the popularity I could make my money doing something else thanks to the education you helped give me thank you very much there we go the second thing is that I test power I believe in that commodity I don't want to just talk to the camera and tell you what I think and try to convince you that's a skill set that's valuable it's not what I do I want to sit people down in that chair and say well go ahead and make the case and I'm right here and as you said earlier I'm just I'm studied up as hell I prepare like crazy I exactly I said that there is no I'm listening I said there's an audience out there actually it's this audience that is concerned about the dumbing down of our culture and the dumbing down of our news and we I hope that's true but I don't know I hear it all the time and look I want to believe that I'm just saying it's not reflected in the numbers you see what I'm saying that I hear people say it all the time and I want you to be right and I am no cynic okay I'm a skeptic I'm not as I am I am unrealistically optimistic about things I believe it's the only way to live helps me get up early but I don't believe it because the numbers show otherwise the numbers show that you don't want clear-eyed thinking on this you don't want to have what you believe tested and make you uncomfortable you don't want to have to understand the practicality of making an accommodation to the other side to get something done in the name of progress you don't want it you tell your lawmakers that you don't want it with every vote you do to keep the same people in there you know there aren't giving you the process and the progress that you want you see it in the TV ratings because you have Hannity and Maddow splitting the pie and Anderson Cooper is as smart as driven as worldly as any journalist you could ever want in your life but that's not what you want cuz not feeding the beast he's not telling you what you already believe he's not giving you what you want so the numbers bear it out and I that bothers me but your show was successful it was successful incrementally I ain't no Anderson Cooper he's got some head of hair that guy you really things always had a great head of hair I'd never met a law professor like that before I was like wow that's a nice but the coups got a good head of hair and I don't know how he's kept it because he has seen more misery in this world he goes and he sticks but what I felt was look I really think I'd like to make this case and that's why I'll do it because otherwise I'm just asking for a beating I'm already in a knife fight in the morning ratings wise I wasn't looking for more marginal success you know but I felt that it's worth the effort because I just don't see where this gets us I just don't see where it gets us do you think we'll see more of you in that way in that role I serve at the pleasure of the boss would I do it you know maybe when I was doing it I would have told you no because I was coming from a place of fear as my therapist would tell me but and I don't think you can come from a place of fear about this I do the job because I think I can make a positive difference I think that by testing power you give people a better sense of assessment of who's out there and what it is and I think that by massaging issues to look for all right let's let's just do an example I hate up a thing the tariffs okay Trump says I'm gonna drop these tariffs it doesn't kind of hastily you know right so you can criticize the process do as people know that this was coming of course it was a signature promise that they know he's gonna do it this way yes know this kind of ro kind of got into the mix he hadn't been in the mix for different reasons all right then he says we're gonna have a trade war trade war it's a good thing it's a preposterous thing to say it's not only demonstrable false but it is inflammatory in a way that just speaks like somebody who you turn your head away from at the bar at 1:30 in the morning not a guy who's in charge of this free world you know it's supposed to be a different damn standard and we have forgotten that why out of political convenience and expedience and him feeding instincts that are very real in this country and we're looking for some resonance and I think the book that needs to be written about Trump is the luckiest man in the history of politics because I have never seen anybody connect with a group of people that they share nothing with on any of the metrics that should matter except that he says I'm just as pissed off as you are I like that this world make America great again what does that mean that means taking it back to a place before all of these different wars that have been fought culturally supposedly for good reasons that's what it means that's why it resonated that's why it worked then why the gridiron dinner into the other night that the president end by saying we have a great country we can make it even greater why because now he's starting to think about it a little bit differently he's not just trying to stoke those fires of discontent about people who want it to stop who don't want another letter added to LGBTQ they don't want any more letters no more letters too many letters too different for me this this is what God intended this is what he intended you know why wouldn't you have a leader who would just say you don't like game I know I don't like good don't marry a gay person next issue let's go you know why because you play to the fear you play to the anger as long as you do that you're gonna have a problem Trump makes it easy for his critics there's no question I think there's good reason for that and bad reason for that but I think at the end of the day we have to start looking at it differently than we're doing it right now we're not gonna get anything done thing you got the tax policy done but what was any Republican would have gotten that done you know he made that even harder then it should have been really right I mean that's the only less last time I saw Paul Ryan speaking you know really you know I mean the guy is like hiding half the time because he he knows he doesn't agree with was so much it comes out of the president's mouth but he can't say it why cuz he's to some party he's choosing party when he when it was Obama he was all about the people I must say that this is the truth that he cannot speak like this as president the United said we must be better than where's that now where's that now we know where it is it's in his pocket because he's choosing to take out of the other pocket the Expediency of power of party we've seen Democrats do the same thing but this is the state of play right now but where are those independents who's speaking to them they're going to make the differences in these elections there's a simple formula in politics third a third a third a third of for Thane because they identify with him a third or against Thames because they don't identify with him you fighting for that middle third that middle third of the independent thinkers and I don't see how they fit into this silo system so that would be my opportunity if there is one so let's let's go back to him think something you said a moment ago you know you have been very well traveled as a journalist school shootings Virginia Tech you were there the Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania bridge collapsing collapsing in Minnesota the mine collapsing in West Virginia you know you haven't been make it sound like I caused these things no but you III think it says something about that you haven't been chained to an anchor chair right you've been in it you've been around America and we're here on the Upper East Side of New York at a 92nd Street Y audience and you know we do live in a blue state bubble to some extent mm-hmm and when people say that the Trump victory was an absolute aberration once-in-a-lifetime election and a complete out-of-the-box experience maybe they're wrong I mean maybe this is America when you're talking about who's red who's representing themselves as independence that there is a kind of but wouldn't say focused anger but that this that he did tap into something yeah that was very profound and yes very lucky but maybe he you know he kept saying all along you know I could go on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone yes my people will still support me right I remember when you interviewed him when he was a candidate in during the primary season and you had a contentious interview with him and he wouldn't stop insulting a CNN reporter and then he was assaulting other people and then you said you know mr. Trump you know you can't just win an election by insulting people you know if you were the present you know at some point you'd be on the world stage and you're not you can't do that shows what I know yeah and he ended up he ended up disproving the most obvious result in his way all the way to the big who said on television you can't do that on the world stage and he still says and he says countries so maybe maybe there is something here about that if you're living in New York we're not really fully recognizing there are people who have observed that it wasn't Hillary Clinton's campaign right it wasn't necessarily the deleted emails it was a cultural elitism you said LGBT bathrooms perhaps what we see on college campus speech codes intersectionality oh there's a lot of stuff look I I think it was I think it was a mandate election I don't mean that in a traditional sense of him having one with such a number that obviously everybody's in favor with his agenda we all know that's not true and I think that that's the big asterisk on the win right is that he lost which is you know you lost the popular vote does that matter of course it matters because it means he doesn't have that kind of mandate it is about polarization it was just about a handful of votes in several states and there are lots of reasons that go to organization and also Clinton as a candidate and other things but a little bit of that all of that is a little bit of a distraction from what is going to matter to your premise which is accurate which is all is all of this real yes you do not have to leave New York to see it by the way I don't like the bubble thing one I like my bubble I would rather be with this audience and I think that you have open minds here you have deep thinkers you have well-educated people you have people who come from very diverse backgrounds and a lot of struggle you do not have to go outside New York State to see struggle you don't have to go outside New York to see Trump voters you know they're gonna lose this state because there's too many of you guys in in a couple of the big cities but there are plenty of Trump people where I live out in Suffolk County full of the throw people you know my in-laws are here tonight you know the people that we're with out there I mean they're they're Trump voters they believe in it and they don't believe in it because they hate gays they believe in it because they're small businesspeople and they think that they've been forgotten they believe it because their cultural conservatives they believe that their their society is getting away from them and then you have this third group which also feels that but they feel if a bad reason this then and now thing is a problem for this country this is definitional the gun issue is definitional that's rural-urban yeah but it's also how it was versus how you say you want it to be this is a country that was forged from violence we are violent people I am a violent person I spent a lot of my time fighting I fight on TV I do mixed martial arts I fight I played rugby I ran into things at high speed you know and I was celebrated for it you know we are we there's a hardness here as well as a softness what pop used to call sweet strength so don't be don't be fooled people are there different facets and he don't have to go to a red state you do not have to go to a red state to see any of the things that matter there I mean obviously they're gonna be distinctions of where ever you go that's not what it was about what it was about it the things swing would you know in the pendulum of of politics it goes back and forth back and forth and we're seeing that right now we're in a swing what takes it the other way I don't know that I don't know that is a task for Independence and Democrats who don't want the Republicans in power you're gonna figure it out I don't think that you'll get the same dynamic twice of the exigency of being against the way Trump was fundamentally Trump was against things he said make America great but even that was a backhanded proposition right it was assuming that the country's not great so it was a he was against it was an anti election and the Democrats can't win by doing that I don't think so maybe again I'm wrong I was so wrong with Trump I you know I I didn't even focus on that part of it because I could never get over him telling me that he thinks he's under audit because of his strong Christian faith right you couldn't get Pat like almost never thrown you know what bro up in the same place the Trump's in the Cuomo's he was in Jamaica states we were in Hollis you know so I kind of feel like I get where he's coming from most of the time with what he says I didn't see that coming maybe I get it at all the time because of my deep Christian faith what yeah you think that's why you get audience well I don't know why else I'd be audited all the time and I said I don't even know if you are audited all the time we've never seen any proof of it it's just anyway the so the point becomes that you have to see it for what it is and don't judge it a mistake that we see people making too often with the president he makes the joke about President Xi from China basically making it so that he's president for life he makes a joke about it he gets savaged by the left he doesn't respect the presidency he doesn't respect democracy see you went too far now when you do that even if you were right about all those things you still go too far well how can both be true here's how because you are in the battle to prove that you were right about him you are not in the battle to figure out how to create progress with him there he is not going anywhere these hopes that people are pinning on this mueller investigation i have a far far better legal mind than i could ever imagine to be sitting next to me you should prepare yourselves for disappointment if you think that this man is going to indict a sitting president of the united states it has but I don't understand reaction it has never happened for a reason they don't even know constitutionally if you can do it there's this real abstruse theory of law about how he would have immunity as president you would have to remove him through impeachment and then you could expose him to whatever it's it's not gonna happen and the impeachment thing it's not gonna happen you don't have the votes it is a political process it's about the votes high crimes and misdemeanors means neither high crimes nor misdemeanors it is an illusory standard that Madison made up with Jerry and a couple other guys where they modeled on British common law and they first they had a bar that was too low and they're like we'll be impeaching people every day you know we can't have theirs so well let's create a higher standard they started listing off these different crimes and they realize they had too many crimes they're like a lot of crimes like if one of us does this every other week you know we're all gonna be a peach so they came up with high crimes and misdemeanors it's a political thing you know how it works in the house and then in the Senate that's what save Bill Clinton was you know a couple votes in the Senate so I just think that you have to think about the progress you got to figure out what happened with Russia and who helped them absolutely by all indications Muller's doing that job timez5 see where it comes out fine but don't make it existential don't make it that this is gonna be your moment in the Sun if you're against Trump I think you're gonna be disappointed in you're not gonna have any progress I'm thinking of your dad at this moment because and he would have agreed with me by the way yes I think he would have in part because remember we've talked about this his thinking about he wasn't a liberal he was a progressive pragmatist yes and so therefore for him he would be he would frame the debate in this discussion in the same way he's in office how we're gonna work with him and stop dealing I don't mean accommodate him right I don't mean excuse what he says I don't mean not hold him to account I'm seeing something different I'm saying pick an issue gun control alright he's nowhere on gun control and truth this is a typical Trump right he's he he went both ways on it a little bit like the daca thing there's something in him that tells him instinctively the you know that this this is a little wrong what's happened in these daca people is a little wrong that we keep having all these mass shootings more than anywhere else in the world of developed countries that supposedly have crime under control but something let's say like the tariffs you beat him up all you want over trade policy and either Republicans conservative thinkers are against him if you just attack what he says you will not make any progress with him on trade he will double down he will dig in his base will stay with him and the Republican the Democrats will ultimately wilt because they don't have the numbers so you will be nowhere on infrastructure you will be in exactly that place on tax policy you were in that place the Democrats lost they lost they didn't manage it right and they lost and they should have because of the numbers but then they had the shutdown that was a moment okay they could have rooted in and said here are our principles I'm not saying I want to see the government shutdown but I'm saying it happened right so you might as well make it happen for a reason they didn't they didn't go to Trump and say this is gonna stay this way until you do this one you know one of the things that was suggested at the time that was a good idea go to Trump and say tell the corporation's that they have to use a percentage of the money that you're giving them back on labor just a slice will define the slice but you tell him you tell him you got to use their money that way a little bit they wound up doing that anyway corporations are very smart they want to show that this was a good move giving them this money back we're giving out those thousand dollar checks it will cut like the next day why cuz they're smart and it was good for them to do it and it was the show this was a good use of capital that they had it was right this was good policy the Democrats could have done that they didn't why because they were too dug in on being right and showing that he's wrong and I'm just telling you that's not a remedy for progress let's talk a little about fake news mm-hmm I was going to well you wanted to come at me with yeah no I want to come back with this team Adam yeah no no because it's not your fake news there is I'm I'm for one feel that we've been too casual about this term of art and how destructive this is to American democracy you know we now no I mean fake news what it is is I don't like what you're saying about my guy yes it's very unflattering and it upsets me very very much yes and so my response to it is what you're saying is fake and the next step and I'm speaking now is a human rights law professor as a child of Holocaust survivors who's written books about the post holocaust world the next step from fake news is fake history right I mean we used to say you know a Holocaust denial well you know that was a considered a joke it's not a joke if you're saying that's version of the event of history is not the way it upsets me I don't I don't like it in fact I run it for the state house in Illinois right now is right and in Poland they just passed many of you may be aware of the Polish Holocaust law by the way I don't think there's been that much coverage on CNN but it's it's unfortunate cause it's a very it's it's it's connects to some ways where we're at here culturally ideologically we're just don't like that version of the story if you go to Poland now and you go walk around Poland start talking about the poles being complicit in the Holocaust it's a jail sentence or a fine so I'm wondering whether CNN is as worried about this as I'm worried I mean Walter Cronkite in his day was considered the most trusted man in America I invite you to come to the 92nd Street Y and I'm getting Twitter messages and Facebook messages about well he's there to support fake news right and that's just for my family look we take it with it with it all you actually talk about and talk about it a lot now one of the frustrations is you really there's not much you can do about it other than call it out for what it is and just keep pounding away at what is fact and what is feeling and both are okay but each has its place the reason that it is a problem is that we are a little fragile right now and we as a country yes I am never fragile ideal but the as a people we are fragile and democracy is a difficult thing and there's a lot of tolerance that goes along with democracy and it's not always easy and it is hard to come back from some of these things quickly so god forbid something happens where the president needs the country to believe them about something they don't want to believe like if you take us back to like a yellow cake day or something like that as a signature to why we're gonna go and destroy another country I don't know that he gets people on his side I don't know that he gets his own party on his side and he may know things you know he may be right you know and the the people may be telling him things the intelligence community the generals depending on the context of the situation where he needs to be a moral agent for this country and what he doesn't seem to understand is that you don't call some things fake but somehow preserve the legitimacy of other things when nothing is true then nothing is true and that is a dangerous place when you're dealing with subjective realities and that's where he is taking us and there are others helping along for their own advantage when it happens but it's not easy to recover from quickly so I think he learned that a little bit because he's been getting pummeled for lying and being wrong and deceptively wrong by the way that's why I don't use the word lie all the time people throw the word lie around all the time I do not why my definition is this by there this happened this morning yes well no he was being a punk that guy on my show so I just this so this morning because I know all of you were watching right yeah so this guy was on and he didn't like that I was saying it is difficult on the facts to believe that no one in the White House including general Kelley knew about these allegations against Rob Porter the guy with the two wives you're the police report the black eye it is a gossipy business okay that's what they do down there is like figure things out about one another for good and bad reason the idea that a guy beats up two of his wives and nobody's ever heard of it is hard to believe the idea that you haven't heard of when the FBI knew about it and told the general counsel you know the White House Counsel it's really hard to believe so I say exactly that he says well I don't think you should call general Kelly a liar so you know that's a tactic and that is a fairly impressive I didn't I didn't what about I mean I didn't but I mean I got what he was trying to do is trying to push me back but that just like makes me more aggressive you know in those kinds of situations because here's the definition of a lie to me one you're saying something that's not true - you know it's not true three you are trying to deceive me with what you know not to be true and you could add as a fourth and I have a right not to be lied to in the situation and I added that one from my parenting you know because sometimes with the kids they don't check that fourth box about whether or not they deserve to know the truth about that situation so that's how I get to maintain certain fictions and other standards of behavior in mind but the first three certainly matter objectively do I know that Kelly knows that this was true and is deceiving me with it no I don't know that I don't know that he may have known the information not believed it may have known the information and not valued it he may have known the information and thought it was being processed and accounted for and it was okay and do I believe in the difference between a white lie and a big lie I do I do I do in that business why because that is a business about persuasion politics and I don't think it's done on a hundred percent truth basis all the time I don't think people want to be told the truth 100 percent of the time because sometimes it's aspirational right sometimes it's inspirational sometimes you have to tell things that are possible even if the facts show well maybe it's not probable what I'm gonna tell you that it is why because we'll never get there otherwise so you're gonna make some accountant you know you got to make some accommodations but that's one of the things that we're dealing with now you're fake you're here's the here's the problem with it when I ask somebody a question or I go at them about their case the comeback now is too often you're fake you're bad you're against me that's just dangerous to the democracy the president I believe collector correct me if you you think I'm wrong about this but the I think he was trying to it's a momentum going for a return of the alien in the Sedition laws that we had in like 1798 you were where this end up making John Adams a one-term president John Adams great man great thinker a soul is such a big proponent of the First Amendment but then what happened he got power then he got power he became president and all of a sudden everybody's saying whatever they want to say it's not such a great proposition for him right so he allowed right I won't say he spearheaded but he allowed to our best reading and understanding his party to put in these BS Alien and Sedition laws that made it bad this one see why do I laugh because we wouldn't cry all the time you know what I mean that's the only alternative it's so hurtful to what I know to be right and what was supposed to be about I was raised by people who were so thankful just to be here because of the opportunity who made every one of us realize that a responsibility to everybody else is so much greater than to ourselves and now I'm dealing with this every day so anyway that's so the alien sedition laws were don't say anything bad about me you're going to jail and they had these carve-outs that you can't say it about the president you can't say it about Congress but they carved out the vice president who was Thomas Jefferson was from the other party and they put a limitation on the statute that it would expire when the Adams party went out of power so the law would become null and void when it was their turn to criticize who was in power I mean the audacity of the BS was really impressive you think it was heading this direction there's no question that he wants it to be illegal to criticize him yeah there is no question in my mind that if you gave him that power he would take it and use it that's who he is when he said the S whole countries why don't I say the word cuz I'm tired of saying it I said I like a hundred times everybody knows what the word is I got kids to like I'm the problem with your kids watching television I'm the one oh yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry I repeated with the most powerful in the man in the world said times but I said this is who he is yeah why because this is what he showed us Maya Angelou's advice to Oprah was spot-on someone shows you who they are believe him he doesn't care about coarseness if it plays to his advantage this is a fact okay this is not about my opinion of him I do not hate the President of the United States I do not have a personal animus against Donald Trump that's silly it's a distraction but the truth is he's okay with these tactics he thinks they work for him this is another reason why we must abandon these efforts at this zero-sum polarity game it won't get us where we need to be because here's what happens in zero-sum inertia happens where do we see the inertia Congress we see inertia well we have to see what the president's gonna want as soon since when since when do legislators wait for the executive to tell them what to legislate this isn't the budget this isn't a proposal these are laws this is about guns is about culture this is about safety why are you waiting because inertia is what you get in a zero-sum game Paul Ryan by all accounts is a good decent hard-working family man why the hell is he so quiet because it's inertia it will stay like this you will have another shutdown you will have another debt ceiling you will have all of these things happen because of inertia you have to find a way to get out of the silos in the name of progress you have to because it will only get worse these midterms these victories that the Democrats are believe are coming their way why what is the reason to believe in you that you're going to give voters in these midterm elections not the reasons to dislike Trump and the Republicans why am I gonna leave my house why am I gonna get help from my kids and I'm gonna come vote because I hate Trump some people think that I hate what's going on some people people vote for things not against things I know we just saw something different in this election but you got to distinguish between what Trump was selling and what people were buying there disaffection is real their disenfranchisement is real their fears about the culture are real they wanted somebody who gives them comfort about celebrating Christmas I don't believe there is a war on Christmas I celebrate Christmas I understand why they think it I get it I get what secularization of a society means to certain people I just don't get why it's new when the country was founded that way yes they said in god we trust' they were all Christians of course they were going to say it but they were so dogged in their efforts to make sure that there was no recognition of institutionalized institutionalized religion but those are all real things that they're feeling it's real and a lot of them are right here in this state people who feel that I'm not making the money I should the rich and poor gap is ridiculous in their estimation respected don't dismiss it don't say those people are stupid don't make effigies respect it figure out how to pitch to it be better than that the Republicans have the same challenge I just think that that's the only way that this goes forward it's not necessarily bad for business this is good for business you know for my business you know the the Trump circus is great for business people watch they say stop talking about Trump don't put that Kellyanne Conway in one more time officer you watch her more than anyone else that comes on CNN here people stop me in the street you seem like a nice man why do you talk to that woman that way I won't watch when she said to you that you hold on a second you won't watch or you're just going to quote something that was said to the universe which is it so be mindful of these things you know though a lot of influencers in this audience there are a lot of independent thinkers in this audience don't be forced because the truth is aside - you know the truth is aside - you don't have to just have selective truth you just don't have to believe things that accommodate a certain agenda the truth is aside - it's just like this aisle up the middle of the room right now let me ask you a question that a trump supporter might ask a CNN person he might say or she might say look FoxNews during the Obama administration was like the opposition party yep one could argue that that's now true of MSNBC the opposition party yep I they might say I still think CNN is slanted and biased against my guy okay you know if he stopped tweeting if there was slightly less chaos if there was less insult would you give my guy a fair shake would you acknowledge some of his achievements because all we hear about is the Muller investigation which you just said we don't think is gonna lead to an impeachment we don't react so the standard of efficacy but I understand but I'm just saying from a news gathering you're saying look this is good for numbers it's good for business but there are people who say well you know he decertified the Iran deal he's taken a tougher line with North Korea and Syria and people were very critical of Obama because he didn't write he really do certify the Iran deal still in operation it's still an operation the Republican tax or knowledge of the facts the Trump voter is not very strong right now right the Republican tax deal plan has advantages yes that people could acknowledge just on what Apple is gonna do alone right there's low inflation there's a soaring stock market yes there's I think eight 800,000 people were employed last year within that last year growth is the 3.3 percent at a high level what are you asking I was in this conversation no I want to know I'm giving you the Trump I'm giving you the Trump line saying here are things we're not hearing would you give my guy credit is it really just his boorish behavior right that's causing this or can we just get to look at what he's actually trying to achieve okay and a Gen all right good here's what I would say one they're not mutually exclusive okay the job of president is not just about what kind of legislation you promulgate your there's a moral authority there now you could argue it is the most robust of the authority that we need from that kind of leader so I hope he never stops tweeting never I know you guys don't like it but I love it because I don't like how it messes up my show all the time like we've done all this planning of these conversations we want to have it anything but if you have to make decisions on the fly yeah but here's the thing the idea of ignoring oh yeah Alison and I might my co-anchor like you know she's had to come around this way of thinking you know she was like I think we're being he's shining the you know waving the shiny object and we're running off that way I have spent too many years of my life being nice to too many people that I don't really like just to get a fraction of the insight of what's in the mind of a president that I get every day from the drums from trumpet I want to know where his head is I cannot believe that he exposes himself this way because he creates his own problems but God bless that's what he wants to do that's fine I like the tweets his legislative agenda and wins all right now all of them were gonna be there's gonna be some testing there about what's good what's bad what's right that's wrong has he done things absolutely regulation rollback absolutely what is their impact now that is not as clear as the listing my and my early point would be you know a lot about those things because I told you by the way you know the you know these things that he's done I cover a 24/7 right you have any ignored it right if he did not make it so easy to criticize him all the time he would not get criticism and the idea that I'm not giving him a fair shake you cannot find me you can't find me a an ombudsman you can't find me a local legislator you can't find me anybody anywhere ever in the history of politics who's been more forgiving for things that they've said that this man has ever ever it's not even a contest any one of like 20 things that I could repeat right now with a quick google search of things he said would have got qualifying the campaign nor never they would have never survived so the idea that it's unfair to him is ridiculous to me however in respect of the position the answer becomes both it's not mutually exclusive you must be held to a standard of decency and respect for people for institutions and for principles that are central to our culture in our democracy that's your job if you don't want to do it do something else if you don't want to get criticized put on earmuffs that's the job okay it's not going to stop it shouldn't stop it should be fair and it should be done with an eye toward an ultimate goal of progress now I get why two journalists you know and maybe you know I I don't know I I just feel like I don't care I'm gonna say it anyway because I can get where journalists will say well I'm not an advocate I don't wanna I'm not here for progress I'm here to tell you what is I don't buy it I don't think that's the point of journalism you know even if you take Bernstein's definition of trying to get the closest approximation of the truth well why why do I want to give you the truth it's in the name of progress it's not in any particular agenda of progress but that's how we get better the more information you have the more you know the more informed you are about your decisions the better you can vote and put the right people in there why do we want you to put the right people in there because we want them to do things that are good for you well what is that called it's called progress so that should be the goal you got to criticize what he says when he deserves it you shouldn't do it to the exclusion of praise when it is warranted he creates a lot of his own problems the legislative agenda is not clear-cut he cannot get credit for everything that's happened in the last 10 years of this economy in 16 months he is getting more and more credit for it as it is good on his watch that also is a fair appraisal metric but you can't ignore that he causes his own troubles you can't kick a puppy and get pissed off when people say stop kicking puppies don't kick the puppy and you won't have the same problem don't tweet obnoxious things don't de Muro wise people don't take people who've been elected leaders and try to trivialize their position and disrespect them and you would be surprised if he changed why would he change it works let's take some questions from the audience I think the future of news he I guess this person wants to know where do you think the future of news will come from and and this person has a smiley face next to Twitter Facebook and Instagram and wants to know how can a reporter even compete with Twitter Moore is not the same as better does that make sense Moore is good I'm a fan of Moore in a lot of ways but it is not necessarily better okay CNN is not the same as a blog that is written by some man or woman where the link looks just like CNN and then you read it and it is this half-baked opinion that is really just seeking to destroy some position that they don't like more is not better the opportunity I think is greater for the cream that rises to the top there's just more outlets for it there's more reach I don't think it has changed the game of is this true is it relevant is it rational is it resonant and I only picked those words because they're all have R in it I think that the idea of doing the job doesn't change you just have more outlets for it and it's a little bit harder now to discern what is true and what isn't there are some new outlets that have been helpful for it you know BuzzFeed and stuff but those guys also get caught every once in a while which by the way is part of the practice this idea that the standard is perfection is silly you're gonna be wrong most of reporting it's not like we're reporting on what's 2+2 you know you're getting things from people that sometimes are wrong sometimes they lying to you so what do you do you try and get to sources all right so then that's why Bernstein said get closer to the truth that's frustrating the people what do you mean it's either true or it isn't please what are you seven you know the there's often subtlety to things there's often context nuance to things it's one of the things politicians exploit right is that they they exploit those soft spaces on what's true and what's not true so I look I like Twitter I think the tone on there is no good the anonymity of it bothers me I'd like Twitter more if I have to know who you are show me your face show me your name and then say that to me and I will hunt you down nobody I think that I think I think that if the I think the anonymity is a little bit is the martial artist I'll give you this I don't even know what that is but it looks like it's menacing this is even more menacing cuz it's more fingers I would like the lag I'd like people to see you a little bit more real because it would take away all these Fugazi accounts and the bots and all that stuff that you have it'd be harder to do that I like social media I think it's great for people to have a platform for expression but I think the standards stay in place and that allows opportunity for the people who do it well what responsibilities and this is this I'm sure many people share this question because it's got that frustration about journalism being he said she said what responsibility do journalists have to acknowledge when there aren't two sides to a story yeah or when the two sides aren't equal for example not giving a platform to birthers or an equal platform to climate scientists vs. lion climate deny the false equivalency think I'm with you you're right you're right having two sides doesn't mean that the two sides are equal it's true who also speaks to this relativizing of truth that the fake news people are saying you have a truth I have a truth that's right that's right all right so why isn't it as simple as that never have them on well who's them first of all right because that's big good you know that gets a little squishy and then it gets well Mikal john was the author of the marketplace of ideas right which was one of the early aspirations for the First Amendment I believe you air in this on the side of having more voices now I didn't interview the Holocaust denier jerk who's running for office in Illinois and that's what you deny the whole cause you're a jerk all right there's just there's no facts there's no science there's no it's just it's a bad position it's a hateful position it's not a real position I wouldn't interview him yes he was on my show but I wouldn't interview him why I don't think he deserves it I'm not talking to Nazis I'm not talking to Nazis on the show why because I don't respect their position I don't think it deserves respect well that's subjective you just said the Mikkel John I did I know but you have to make some choices I err on the side of inclusion unless you're just breeding hate because I'm going to test it that's my job I want to have you on and I'm going to test you and I'm going to expose what is weak in that argument that's how I fulfill my responsibility now by censoring now by just putting the people on who you already agree with and like to hear you're gonna hear those other ideas if I'm in the chair but I'm going to test them and then the measure of your frustration should be a coefficient of how well I do that job last question that's satisfying all right this person says I watch new day all the time I guess in the mornings though I think you asked the tough piercing questions we need nowadays so I'm a huge fan but my question is do you ask your guest questions with a fully open mind or do you have some perceived bias before you ask the reason I chose this questions cuz you wrote it no he knows me no I didn't it's because I know that one of the reasons you wanted to do primetime was because you wanted to have face-to-face encounters with people and open conversations with people right so the question is do you have biases when you're talking to somebody do you know where you're taking them do you know where you want to end up with them no I do a lot of listening I believe in a lot of active listening I don't believe in having a question sheet I think it's a mistake because you can't listen as well and you start getting caught up with these ideas about where you want to go and what's next and you start looking for opportunities and moments to inject what you wanted to put in instead of listening to what's there but that's not really the point of the question the point of the question is do I have biases yes of course I do I'm a human being everything is functionally subjective the idea that the goal is objectivity I think that sounds good but I think the real goal is fairness you know you go and you march with the KKK how do I feel about you I don't like you you're lucky we're meeting on camera but I'm still gonna talk to you I'm still gonna give you the respect of let's hear what you have to say about why you were there with these people and then we're gonna go at it why because I have certain feelings about this thing I'm a human being I don't leave that at the door I think that's an impractical and impossible standard objectivity because it said well you have to be impartial no you have to be fair you have to be fair you have to know because if you don't know things that's how you get caught in these BS 50/50 propositions you know I put on two guests because I don't know enough to know what the real reckoning and the real leavening of this issue is and you would be prepared to stop one to challenge that so we're simply wrong and that's the job so but do I have my own feelings about things yes I have feelings about everything but I will tell you this I really don't have a lot of interest in my own opinions about things I really don't I cannot tell you how often people are dead wrong about where I am on an issue and why I'm going after somebody as hard as I can I'm not kidding you it actually bothers me it really does it makes me feel like because I give the audience so much credit there's so many people on my business that think that you know you guys are a bunch of mouth-breathers you know what I mean it's like you know they don't know what they're talking about you know you got to dumb it down I feel so opposite that that it fuels so much of what I do I so why do you feel bad that because you're not I feel strongly about badly that how could you think that how could you think that just because I'm going after this man or woman about this thing it's because that I actually favor this other policy why would I do that to you why would I do this why would I put myself through this crazy existence that we live in this with the hours and the exposure to the negativity and stuff that just scrambles your brain you know when you go to one of these places all these young journalists if any of your kids or grandkids or significant people in your lives want to be journalists and they'll say you know I want to go and cover war you know listen you are never the same after these experiences you have weird personal deficits you have weird ink imbalances ie D blow up when you were now thank you for reminding me that it's great I think I want people to know that he's been on the front I've been in a lot of these things I've been lucky to come home for them but what I'm saying is you're never the same so the idea of doing necro to otezla is just insane to me do I have feelings about things 100% I have feeling things there why I do the job they are why I do the job I don't know why I would do this business otherwise I would never cover entertainment I would never cover sports why people say to me every once in a while they say two things that really pissed me off one is you know you should do sports I guess so sports a game and you know that's how I got into college but you know they it's a game I don't care about that I care about what matters to us to our kids to what's going on the other thing they say you know you really you should run for office I'm equally insulted by the sports because no one's worse than the other I'm like don't you aren't you hearing what I'm trying to do here I'm trying to tell you and help you deal with that system I don't want to be part of that system I want to stay outside the system I want to attack that system for its weaknesses and I want to glorify its strengths when appropriate but that's why I do the job and it makes it harder I wish very often I could do this job the way it was done a generation ago where there was much more of an antiseptic straight this is what I can show you this is what it is you know I have a good night good night and good luck and all of those other cliches that's not why I do the job it's not how I do the job and I will never do the job that way because to me you are here to try to make the world a better place you're trying to make a pause of difference on things I'm not here to be popular but I am here to seek out those independent thinkers who make a difference in these elections and they make a difference in the world around us because not everybody's in these silos and that's what drives it and sometimes gonna create trouble for you there's an easier way to do the job than I do it I know that but that's not who I am Christopher I don't wanna get weepy here but you know I had a lot of affection for your dad and he would have been so incredibly proud of you the the the quality of his fine mind his passion his romanticism about the energy of life is something that you so well and so finally inherited your eloquence and we are so fortunate to have you in this political moment in this time telling us the news telling us the analysis of our day Christopher Cuomo [Applause] we'll see you again you

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Published: Mon Mar 26 2018