CHOSEN ONES - Terrible Writing Advice
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Length: 5min 48sec (348 seconds)
Published: Thu Apr 13 2017
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I was in a elevator in the London Harod's in 2003; it stalled for two hours. Turned out the lady in the corner wearing scarf and heavy sunglasses was Rowling. Of course I took out my fan-notes and presented her with my request.
In the final battle, Harry gets his ass beat to the astonishment of wizards and readers. Voldemort does the dark-lord dance of victory; then Neville Longbottom offs him with the Gryffindor sword, killing 'im. Killing 'im dead.
In the final chapter we learn that Dumbledore faked everyone out. Neville was the chosen one all along. Poor Harry Potter was a decoy, dangled before death-eaters, tossed into insane dangers to keep the true Chosen One safe.
The elevator-crowd argued this added nothing to the story and tore up my notes. Possibly they were cranky sitting around. Also possibly it was not really Rowling, just some British lady in scarf and sunglasses.
But it remains a very good idea.
Yeah, fuck heroes, no one likes them anyway. /s
I get the impression this was a little too pointed at HP, but fantasy has grown in the last 20 years. GRRM, Sanderson, Rothfuss, (and others) are are leading a "new" fantasy successfully, twisting tropes from their writing, no longer are there good guys and bad guys, or a trusted narrator, or maybe the good guys do bad things.
And a side note, for all JKR gets flack for, she did one thing amazingly well, captivated and CREATED an entire generation of readers, myself included; without going on a crummy family vacation I didn't want to go on to the middle of nowhere when I was 14, armed with nothing but an unwanted copy of the first Harry Potter, I might not be the same reader I am today.
Rand Al thor is the clichéd chosen one. But RJ did a lot of other things too. The story and the battle wasn't completely about Rand. Other characters were powerful too.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. There is a great psychological horror book inherit in the idea of the chosen. Think about it: you get a random person from humble origins--basically an everyman--who's part in a ancient prophecy slowly but surely starts to strip away that persons free will as they become a tool for a unknownable force.
Still fun to watch, but I'd like to see some that don't go after the low hanging fruit that have been targeted time and time again and instead address some of the less considered cliches or flaws of the genres.
Yes, Hunger Games, Twilight, Star Wars, etc were flawed. Yes, these videos are made to attract those who didn't enjoy... hated them and their success with a passion. But to constantly be told "Don't do it this way" despite that they are some of the most successful fiction written in recent years, feels a bit strange.
Anyway, still find them to be quite amusing, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does with it when the more common ones are all wrapped up.
I've never quite gotten the Chosen One as an archetype both on a story level and on an emotional level
I mean I can get the Heroes Journey as a way to understand and to write stories and as part of that the idea of the call to adventure and how tragedy is a good motivator however I can't understand the whole prophecy part of things, why are you writing that?
For the Greeks it was something along the lines of you can't fight fate and some deterministic world view they had, for the Bible what was important was who did the choosing
Perhaps it's just my upbringing but even in a Chosen One story told with twists and subversions ala Matrix sequels or certain ASoIaF characters I sort of don't care because they're plays on a tropes I can't find appealing or applicable to anything. Strip away the changeling fantasy or hidden parentage tropes and what do you have? Character X will do Y and I just don't see the appeal there, the ways that can be played with just aren't interesting
Luke Skywalker was interesting to me because he was a young man who got to get inducted into a mystic order and was fighting an Empire, Harry Potter was interesting to me because he was a boy getting thrust into a magical world that seemed more interesting while at the same time had the danger that killed his parents, Jon Snow and Dany were interesting because they were facing situations and figures of massive power. I don't see how any of that was/could be improved if you add a prophecy saying they were always destined to do what they did.
Everything single thing mentioned I easily thought of a dozen books he could have been referencing, but then just as easily thought of a dozen where the trope was subverted. A lot of the time those books were also one in the same, using old ideas in some places and subverting in others.
I personally love the idea of the chosen one. If only because I'd hate to read about Gary the guardsman who worked double duty to help pay for his kids schooling only to get stabbed in the heart when some assassins snuck in to kill the king. That would just be depressing.
I'm a sucker for "the chosen one", it's cliche as hell but I never get tired of it. Plus, all the best fantasy writers are STILL using it, so either they're very lazy or there's still some floggability in that dead horse.
I hate chosen ones