Chinese Isn't (Really) A Language...

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The difference between a language and a dialect is a standing army.

Think about it.

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Controversial title, I get it. Just hear me out. On this channel, I've talked a lot about a  language I would call "Standard Mandarin"   or "Standard Chinese", which is, I think,  what most people imagine when they hear the   word "Chinese": the official language  of the countries of China and Taiwan. This is a standardised version of Mandarin, first  developed under the Nationalist government, and   now it's reportedly spoken by 80% of the Chinese  population, as the first or second language. So if there is a language which  could ever be called "Chinese",   this is the one. But really, there  are a LOT of Chinese languages,   and the naming around all this  is really confusing at times... So let's talk about Sinitic, the group of  languages... or are they dialects?... or,   well, just this weird confusing STUFF which is  spoken in China and by the Chinese diaspora. But first, let's be real with ourselves  for a second. We all want to learn some   more languages. They are the  spice of life, hands down. When I'm not working on this channel  or eating stupid amounts of cheese,   I'm trying desperately to keep up with my French,   Italian and Danish - but it's hard to  find motivation sometimes, isn't it? I'd love to fly off to Italy  and talk to native speakers!   But realistically, when am I  going to be able to do that? That's why I really like today's sponsor,  Busuu, where you are connected to a web   of native speakers of any of the up  to 14 languages you choose to learn. Busuu just gets you a great,  easy place to start learning,   with a range of bite-sized  lessons available. Simple as that. See here how I started learning Turkish  - and when I write something in Turkish,   Busuu sends it to a real  native speaker to be corrected. Meanwhile, I get to brush up on my teaching  skills by correcting other people's English!   That is what makes Busuu truly unique. And by following the link below, you can  check out Busuu and unlock all premium   features for seven days - this means you'll  be able to try out a personalised study plan,   gain access to all lessons, and even  study offline by downloading lessons. With many more things to help your language  learning go smoothly and quickly, you should   test it out: join a community of over 120 million  language learners... and support the channel. Thank you to Busuu for sponsoring this video. Okay, so what is "Sinitic", what is "Mandarin"  and what is up with this nebulous term "Chinese"? So you may know that linguists divide up the  language of the world into genetic groups,   which are languages which share a common ancestor. Like how French and Italian and Spanish   are all Romance languages because  they're all descended from Latin. Then a lot of these groups can be collected into  major language families. At the highest level,   these are groups like the Indo-European  language family, which contains not only   all the Romance languages, but all the Germanic,  Indo-Iranian and Slavic languages, among others. One of these major families is generally known as  the Sino-Tibetan family. The high-level structure   of this family is quite contentious, but the  biggest widely accepted subgroup is the Sinitic. This is what is known as the  group of "Chinese languages". Now, a lot of the time, these are  talked about as a single language,   saying that all these variants like Cantonese  are "dialects", despite the fact that mutual   intelligibility, the ability to understand  each other when speaking these variants,   between Cantonese and the Standard Mandarin we  discussed earlier, is completely impossible. Many linguists, therefore, call  these variants different languages... Hundreds of different languages, where one  person speaking one Sinitic variety and   one speaking another can't understand each other. This is precisely why, with the modernisation  of the Chinese state in the 20th century,   a common language came to be created. The Sinitic languages can be divided up into  various "dialect groups" or "language groups"   (depending on your linguistic calling),  and the largest of these is Mandarin. This originated in northern China and is now   spoken across the north and  south-west of the country. And the Beijing dialect was selected to form the   basis of this new standardised national  language - hence, "Standard Mandarin",   or, since it is used for communication  throughout China, "Standard Chinese". "But K!" I hear you ask. "Then why not  just call this language 'Chinese'? We   already have other names for  all these other languages!" Well, for me, the thing is  that a lot of these other   languages still have relevance - but a waning one. The national language policy of China is  to spread Standard Mandarin... and I think   it's important to recognise the richness  and diversity of languages within China. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling  this language "Chinese", inherently - it's just   when people who don't know much about China hear  that word, it strengthens this idea that there's   this one unitary language of China. Which  is a reality we haven't quite come to. Yet. But then I hear all this - and I think of  Italian. We call it "Italian". Why do we do that? It's just one dialect, or one language,   (depending on your linguistic calling)  of a whole net of varieties spoken on   the Italian Peninsula, originating in  Tuscany, especially based on Florentine. Should we start calling it "Standard  Tuscan"? "Standard Italian"? The lack of knowledge about minority  languages, and the bundling of different   dialects under one national label isn't just  a problem in China - it's a global problem. It's a problem of the nation-state. But to be fair, in China  we have 1.3 billion people,   hundreds of millions of whom have native  languages which are non-Mandarin Sinitic   varieties - so there's something  to be said for that as well. But at the end of the day, that's just the  scale on which these arguments play out;   it doesn't actually have an  effect on the argument itself. I don't know what we should call Italian. I don't think calling Chinese "Standard Mandarin"  is going to do much to help dying Hakka dialects. But I do hope that maybe you understand a little  better now why there are all these words being   thrown around when talking about Chinese, and  that they do - kind of - mean different things. And then you also have to  consider... all this boils   down to the question of "what is a language?" Mandarin and Cantonese are mutually  unintelligible. For a lot of speakers,   Swedish and Danish are not. You can change the way you speak to make it  easier for others to understand. Sometimes people   from the US can't understand a thick Scottish  accent. Sometimes intelligibility is asymmetric. Where does the line between  language and dialect go? Maybe there isn't one, and it's  more of a fuzzy little spectrum. Anyway, onto the real purpose of this video:  I swear that joke I made about Mandarin being   a stupid name for Standard Chinese was funny  it was really well thought out and really -
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Channel: K Klein
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Length: 6min 35sec (395 seconds)
Published: Fri Jan 13 2023
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