Charlie Dates on His Journey to Faithful Pastoral Ministry - Pastor Well | Ep 16

[Music] hello and welcome to the pasture whale podcast I'm Herschel York Dean of the school of theology at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville Kentucky and pastor of the buck Run Baptist Church in Frankfort the pastor whale podcast is dedicated to helping servants of the Lord Jesus Christ be faithful in their ministry in the church each time we have a pastoral podcast I am delighted to introduce people whom I admire to the pastor well audience and men there is nobody that I admire more and enjoy having on this podcast more than today's guest dr. Charlie dates he is the senior pastor at the progressive Baptist Church in Chicago became the pastor there when he's only thirty years old has a PhD in historical theology from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and is one of the greatest preachers in America I say that with no hyperbole whatsoever you bless me immensely welcome to pastor well man thank you I told Scott man I got a check for you in my back for the the kind remarks it your listeners ought to know that in my house in Chicago our household we refer to you as uncle Hershel so when I when Keirsey when the kids are asking where was I going SSO I'm going to see uncle uncle Hershel they say oh the good guy I own the Cracker Barrel menu by the way that's what I always get it cracker my favorite meal I mean they name you a meal after you that's right you gotta eat it you got to use it but thank you man for the very kind and undeserved invitation to be with you well man I've looked forward to this for a long time the very first time I heard you preach I just thought wow God's hand is on this young man and everything about you uses Jesus I love that about you I want to talk a lot about your preaching and the way you think about preaching but I like to hear just a little bit about where you grew up and your background yeah so I grew up in a neighborhood called Morgan Park on the far south side of Chicago usually people like today they say well you know which part of skub are you that's a good question Chicago has 77 neighborhoods and african-american people mainly live and when they settled in Chicago on the south and west sides but the south side is so long there's a near part and a far side there's so far where I grew up the about two exits out of the city once you once you leave us I grew up in a in a neighborhood called Morgan Park I went to elementary school that was actually owned and operated by our local church it's the Mount Calvary Baptist Church and so believe it or not man I went to school where I went to church which created a wonderful nurturing environment for me to not only develop socially but to literally learn the Word of God six days out of the week where your parents Christians but yes so I didn't know my dad for a good portion growing up I later found out that yeah he is a Christian too but my mom absolutely she so my story is kind of like Timothy in the sense that Paul says I'm convinced that the fate that dwelt in your mother your grandmother lives in you I bet that's me man I own it by every measure of the definition of owning faith it isn't just something I inherited it's mine but I had no way to escape the grace of God man I just ran it looks like Moses yeah as a baby he lives because of the faith of his pan but later he has to refuse to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter and Esther and choose the reproaches I stand and it became his and that's what's happened with you thank you for my birthday Simon this year I think I'll pull that one out that'll work glad to help thank you so yeah I grew up there and I ended up going to the University of Illinois at urbana-champaign really because my older brother went to school there he ended up going undergrad in the law school there but it ended up being the most fortuitous thing in my life because my first week down there I signed up for classes of course the University of Illinois black course and I met the conductor's daughter and that's why I went to Illinois more than a degree I went to meet Kirstie and so I ended up meeting my bride there took us a while there it took me a long time to conversely she is absolutely lovely thank you man you know I think highly of you but you outputted your cover yes yes sir and I may say the same yeah for you I know your God spoiled child yes but but yeah man so that's got a chance to meet her and get to nerve know her family and for me her family went to a church the Canaan Baptist Church in Champaign Urbana the pastor is a man named BJ Tatum and he is just what I would call a classic expositor so I'm not trying to race out front but I'm just saying that in terms of my story yeah getting the know Kirstie and also falling in love with classical Exposition falling in love with Kirstie and falling in love with classical Exposition had it around the same time that's well Wow two great loves yeah and what a Providence of God mm-hmm and so you you majored in rhetoric I did in speech communication and rhetoric yes so at Illinois were you alright I've got to ask was that part of a plan in becoming a preacher no did you feel called before that yeah I did feel called so to answer your question I preached my trial sermon that's what we called it let me back you out sure what age did you trust Christ oh so early I almost can't remember a time where I didn't but I got baptized I was like five five or six and so again I own my faith but I felt called to preach early on as a boy yeah and who doesn't in the the pastor I think wisely in retrospect didn't let me go for it I still wish I would have let's say would have but the week before I left for school for college I was 17 August 16 1998 they let me preached my first sermon so I literally preached that Sunday evening do you remember what you preached I do it was second Corinthians chapter four I believe in the passage is called I mean the sermon was called the treasure in earthen vessels uh-huh yes I didn't have much creativity behind sermon titles but yeah well you know you can't beat the Holy Spirit yeah but lifted it straight from the passage so yeah man the treasure in Jars of Clay and jugs of mud was my first my first sermon was it any good for what you knew I thought about this the other week because that we just passed the anniversary about two weeks ago and I leaned heavily on other preachers and commentators so there was a little bit of my thought there in so I think the substance was good and was reliable but it wasn't totally mine per se it'd be hard to have really your own voice that early at 17 I think so yeah yeah yeah you're you're hearing others and and they're triggering thoughts and what you could do with it but yeah you're still going to largely mimic yeah yeah the good preachers you've heard that have affected you and I can say this to that point having good people to mimic as I reflect upon the sermon it was true I didn't lie on God I didn't lie on the passage so I I thought it I literally just thought about that could I sit and listen to that 17 year old kid at my age today he told the truth that yeah and I think if you heard that 17 year old preciate you'd say that's really good for a 17mm I'm sure it would be I'm sure it would be so while you're in college you're discipled by the pastor there I am really more so so cure sees dad is was at the time the associate pastor at that church dr. Harold Davis and he and dr. pastor beech item they were they were really close and and Kirsten's dad ran a Tuesday night Bible study on campus for essentially whoever would show up so I ended up being discipled more by him per se than I was by the senior pastor but the senior pastor pastor tative nonetheless gave us full entree to he and his scheduling we got to go places with them and that kind of thing was it awkward at all you're being discipled by the man that is the father of the young lady you're interested in it was strategic it wasn't awkward yeah it was it was part of my aim was to was to get in and learn what I could so I'm the kind of guy to uncle who I'm pretty clear on what I want when I know it and and I rarely pull the trigger if I don't know it so Kirstin I've told this story at a young adult retreat this past weekend I just I'm like 4 4 4 in life from the house we bought to the woman I married to the the time we will have our children all of that I could just call it when I know it yeah I know it yeah it's so man when I saw her I just figured the plan was to get in our mother's class and and I hang out with her dad and it was a matter of time that resonates with me so much as we are recording this it is on the 39th anniversary of my first date with Todd and that very day you know we I just laid out for what guy was doing and said are you in and she said yeah I'm in and 13 days later bought the Rings and so you know yeah I get it when when the Lord shows you that's right you know as well so then after college all right what age did you marry we got married at 20 I was 25 she was 24 can I say this though about the majors sure you're asking about the majors I originally thought that I would major in religious studies and so it was when I got to Illinois and I took a religious studies class and I figured that that ain't God's will for my life yeah so I immediately dropped out of that and declared speech communication as the major and because I did so much supporting coursework and rhetoric I was able to to basically double major yeah but that was part of a path for you you you were thinking going into ministry this will help me and minister I was and I knew that after undergrad was some kind of further training academic training and so I wanted a foundation that would help me understand the classics it would help me to be able to interpret texts one way or the other I didn't know exactly what I do but it would have been good had I decided to go to law school or anywhere else for that matter so that was in the back of my mind and then you went to Trinity for seminary of all places man I landed at the Trinity the Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and I say that because I was on my way to Yale so I had applied and been admitted to Yale and I had also applied to a masters at human resource management program at Illinois it was the top two program in the country at the time this is about what year this is this is my last year so 2002 of undergrad and I to be honest oh the Eternity was nowhere on my radar I didn't even know it exists in fact the way that I found out about it was the dr. Dwight Perry who's the first african-american PhD out of ted's he was a professor at Moody at the time he was preaching at our home church I'd come home and he's the Deacons a total hey here's here's one of our guys he's thinking about going to Divinity School and he said oh you know I want to take you to the school up north and I was like oh okay well what is that so he told me the name I said uh I'm alright I said I am interested in seeing Moody though believe it or not I'd never spent any time in on Moody's campus having grown up in Chicago and he said okay I'll take you to moody if you'd let me take you to this other school and man that ended up being God's will for my life I turned the fellowship down at Yale I turned down very handsome fellowship at at Illinois which I don't say that to any kind of glory or aggrandizement but for somebody who wanted to make money I was trying to broker with the Lord a deal that I'd be a wonderful professional who would support a local pastor and a church be the best advocate they ever could have if you just let me kind of do something else professionally and that was a I have decided to follow Jesus no turning back moment in my life a defining moment that literally I at the world behind me the cross before me it became the mantra the theme of those years and did the Lord use seminary to shape you theologically missional II what happened in your heart and life it I don't eternity anybody's ever asked me that question that way I don't know that the Lord used seminary to shape me theologically maybe it would be fair for me to say that I got to whatever extent one can be conquer ties theologically that's what happened I think the church has shaped me informed me theologically before I got the a my home my for my family so I got a chance to understand the underpinnings the scholarly insights behind what I knew to be true also in fairness to the wonderful education I feel like I got a Trinity I got exposed to a lot that I otherwise would not have been and so I was able to to develop some convictions based upon history and historical theology and then of course the introduction to and having the master at that point the original languages created a kind of dimension to my my understanding of the scripture and to my ability to explain the passages so it it was what whereas I don't know that I would say it shaped me it's certainly profoundly concretize it it put the boundaries and the borders around me for what I hope is going to be a long and productive ministry were you serving in a church while you're in seminary or were you preaching around different places what what did that look like mainly serving in a church yeah there's no way to do it so I went to if I may I went the Trinity is a largely white Evangelical Divinity School and I'm from a black church growing up and a black church and undergrad I knew nothing about Trinity when I got to the campus there were so few black people it was I can't stay here during the weekends I like I got to find somewhere to go and and so we had to do these fill debts and ultimately an internship and so I took to a church about 88 miles west of the Divinity School and started to do my fill dance and that church essentially became the locus of my work during those years and I commute it to school so I was in church not only on the weekends but during the week and then going to school and able to on the ground I hope not only contextualize what I was learning but I was being as I'd like to call textual eyes myself and you went on and did your doctorate there I did I did so actually I saw I started I became the associate pastors pastor of adult ministries at a very large Church in Chicago right when I graduated from Ted's and then two years after I went back to start the ph.d program and ended up finishing by the gray Scott you know you and I are both seminary trained and you continued you teach at Moody I believe well well IIT Trinity adrylek I know the the Bible that's got to be updated I have an open door at Moody but I mainly at Trinity okay yeah so we're two guys that believe in seminary education no question about it but what what about the guy that is not going to get to go to seminary yeah can he preach the word hands down probably better than many of us in some respects I think I would say that the church I grew up in the pastor who preached the gospel to us and I got saved through that ministry he was not seminary trained and so to to not be able to go to seminary is not at all or to have academic training is not at all a deal breaker I do think that if you can do it if the phase of life and the opportunity opens to do it then you need to do it because there is a difference at times that one can hear in the explanation and proclamation of the Scriptures by somebody who is is formally trained that didn't to be snobbish so to be pinky up it depend upon how your ears I think it I think it it actually simplifies things you know I grew up same way my dad was not seminary trained he didn't go to Bible College so undergrad but man my dad was a student of the scriptures and he gave me a love of theology and love of the scriptures and I like you I don't want to sound in any way arrogance here but when I got to seminary they didn't add much to my theology but but they did tell me what I needed to learn that's who I needed to read and yeah things like that that I think did help so I'm a great believer in seminary education the question is not whether or not you are educated or uneducated right questions whether you're formally yes influence because if God's called you to ranch he's called you to study he's taught you to learn and to grow but I always want to encourage those guys that are out there and God's called them you can dig man that I believe in the sufficiency of the word and the Holy Spirit yes and I always like to encourage them to get what God has for them as well tell me about your wife's role in your ministry oh man oh my goodness we we literally laughed about this yesterday who is it and so I I paraphrase someone else's but it might be Erwin Lutzer someone who says you know it's it's amazing how often my wife's voice sounds like the Holy Spirit Kirstie there is no charlie dates as as I am right now apart from Kirstie mmm and that's no hyperbole or exaggeration Kirstie praise for me she challenges me she encourages me and she throws velvet bricks when my sermons are over what what I mean by that is the critique please explain but I know it yeah so so it's heavy its weighted but it's wrapped so cleanly and softly that you don't know what hit you until after it hit you sometime down the line so she knows how to measure out critique for me in a very loving way she also of course is a mother of our children and the maker of our home then you have how many children we have two children Charlie and Claire Charlie's eight Claire six they are beautiful - thank you listen man when you marry up if you marry somebody you know it works out good for your kids that was part of my part of my plan yeah so but as the children grow now in a way where they're a bit more independent her role in the life of the church is starting to shift and open up and so I'm I'm not trying to tell her like hey dear you need to do this you need to do that I really want her to have the freedom to explore what it is she feels god is calling her to do and to make it easy for her to get into those spaces to get that done your pastor of the progressive Baptist Church in Chicago so it's Church what what size congregation is it Oh at the first Sunday in June this year there were nine hundred and thirty people there between the services which is a great gift and when we first came it was about a hundred and fifty people Sunday morning you've been there how long with eight years okay and and given the way people go to church now especially in Chicago what that means is we we have more than 2000 people who claim the church as home but they don't all show up there the same symptom right so but but yet so this year it is the 100th anniversary of the start of our church and so I'm the youngest senior pastor in the church's history in the sense that I got called to the church at 30 how what's the longest tenured pastor prior to you 47 years 47 yeah well we have a similar thing there when I pass I've went to Pastor Ashland Avenue Lexington when I was 30 hmm and I followed only two pastors in this church's history Clarence Walker was there for 50 years and Ross arranged for 23 hmm and then I show up and so that was interesting here at buck run sir the opposite we're 200 years old yeah and I'm the 77th Pan whoa yeah but I've been here now be almost 16 years so that makes you what like in terms of the length of tenure I actually I think I think I now have the longest tenure now my predecessor was here twice for a total of 20 but I think I think my tenure is the longest in his history there were a lot of one in 2-year guys seminary students and one all in through the years but I think I'm the longest one now so what are you preaching right now well I've been on sabbatical man so I haven't preached so you've interrupted your sabbatical to be with this isn't it this is this is it this is it and so I literally and you working on a book manuscript back in the study in the morning yeah back to the church and and in the city of morrow working on a book manuscript but when I get back we just finished a series a five-part series on the book of Esther called living under the hidden hand of God and when God seems silent he may be most active I think is the tag there when I get back though we're gonna begin a series it won't be a line-by-line verse-by-verse series that are the Book of X I don't know by the way something we should talk about I don't know how much my generation is particularly the one that's coming behind me can take that kind of 4 or 5 year run in a book I've done it yeah and I've done it at progressive but I've got to be creative about how we assemble it and break it up well I think there's no question it's harder in one sense it's been you know Martyn lloyd-jones taking years and ephesians and all that yeah not not many churches will do it I maybe I need to flip that and say not many preachers are good enough to do it I think that I've got to take that responsibility on me and say ultimately I've got to be good enough to make them want to come back every we can hear that but it's harder to do years at a time I'm in a two-year series on Luke and Luke right now hmm and I've set aside two years to do it I'm still in the first year and I'm loving it our church is loving it I don't think I want to go pass two years with anything - it would be hard I think would be hard you can do it you can break it up you know stop after you know when you get to the Paul section or so yeah maybe do something else - rather than come back to it there are ways to do it but it it is it is a challenge yeah challenge I think but ultimately that burden is on us so you're you're starting axe I'm gonna start axe but I've cherry picked you know 14 passages we may do 16 yeah that's a good way to do it yeah and just and part of the reason I'm doing it too is there is such a high level of biblical illiteracy today and and I think that's just within the span of the years that I've been preaching that I want to help people put God's big story together yeah and so if you come if you're consistent in your attendance and you pay attention someone you'll start to be able to put the narrative of Scripture together yeah over the years and so that's part of the aiming is well I'm on the other end end of that you know sixteen years in I'm reaping the benefit of that and I preached to a church that is largely educated and gets the meta-narrative and all that because this is what I've drilled in and we have a discipleship and adult discipleship program that really reinforces that we've been very strategic but it took it took a while to get there so you just encouraged me man you're reaping the benefits yeah no two ways about it it's buck run is just one of the healthiest and that's sort I use that is one of the healthiest churches I've seen there the depth of teaching the depth of marriages and our men I've really worked on developing men at buck run you know most churches have a lot more women than they're in and mr. buck run that's not true and everything about what we do is very strategic so I want to encourage you just it's line upon line precept upon precept yeah we can and week-out just being faithful and giving them that big picture yeah it really is a part of what we do yeah so what is your sermon prep look like how do you do that well the pre-work is really beneficial so getting away once or twice a year to map out the direction in which the calendar is going for instance I put together a series for the Lenten season called trail to triumph and so I selected with our preachers about nine passages the benefit of preaching through a book for me helps in my prep process because you just kind of gather all the information up front right so if I do it that way then I've already read through the occasion through the history the background the geography of the city whatever I could find on The Times there which create a kind of social location for interpreting the lives within the passage so on Monday I'm trying to sleep and hang out with the kids and so I'm flipping through the passage and just kind of mulling it over yeah I don't want to run straight to any help or anything like that where I just give the Lord a chance in my mind a chance just to tumble with the passage yeah you got you you got to see the problems in the text before you start looking for somebody's solution to the problem yeah yeah you want it you want to ask those questions yourself and I'm I'm amazed too at when I take the time to do that how the Holy Spirit uses what I see to be challenges that need to be resolved or whatever in the passage to meet people right where they are when they hear it and so come Tuesday it it so I went through first Peter after you thanks for that by the way so I watched that series quite a bit on earth and and so I just printed out first Peter in the original language and I spent about two weeks just and I'd like double spaced it just kind of translating the passage making my own notes here there so generally when that work is done Tuesday that's where I met I'm just at the the technicality of the passage and working through what I call an exegetical outline so large picture I'm trying to build an exegetical outline that then will I'll build a parallel homiletic allowed line alongside of it so Tuesday I'm doing all of that and I'm making notes about the grammar and the diagram and then I'm loading in Tuesday evening Wednesday starting to read what I can and my reading interests kind of move in different ways depending upon the passage sometimes it's really technical and then sometimes it's just like I got it I don't need to kind of go as far into it and then by Wednesday I better be developing the proposition a main idea thesis and working toward a homolytically outline and this is where to be honestly I feel like my preaching needs the most work I'll lean heavier on the exegetical side and at times not enough on the homiletically so by the end of the week I am too often scurrying for illustrations if I haven't got to it time a time ahead yeah so I'm trying to figure out a winsome way to phrase things illustrations and ideas to get to turn our ears into eyes and a goal in one sense that's gonna move the church forward in our mission based upon what when I'm preaching through so yeah what is your hard deadline when it when does it have to be finished Saturday night I would love it as my kids get older it's becoming like Friday evening like so about the time we do Friday movie night I need to be done but then - I'm on the road quite a bit hmm and and so if I can take advantage of the day time that I'm free on the road then that helps me but I typically need about a day to do it dr. Frank Thomas calls creative dislocation and and that is to say to just drop it and to let my mind kind of start to put it in pieces itself and then I'm up early Sunday morning hmm so our first services at 8:00 I'm probably added at about 4:30 or so sitting down lining that crossing out stuff that didn't go make it polishing other things and and praying my way hot as HP was saying yeah you know I have to deadlines so I have the deadline for my sermon skeleton that's gonna go in our bulletin and it makes slides for because we do fill in the blanks but Sunday mornings my deadline for everything else that goes in there yeah typically I'm done with that so Friday my I get the skeleton in but then I'm continuing to think and toy with it even up until Sunday morning yeah and right before I leave the house I send my final version whatever I take in the pulpit with me to our media guys so they can follow along and put it up for that that helps me that dislocation you talk about I so when I send that the skeleton in on Friday and I've done all my work but I'm not fine-tuned it I'll leave it for a little bit until Saturday afternoon Saturday evening in and then I'm putting finishing touches on it and that that helps me coming at it twice really yeah well I think the way to look at that is that on Monday I'm typically a better preacher Monday then I was on Sunday because I got it out okay so I'm trying to push that day back if I could get it out and then have a day to play with it then on Sunday I'm better then then I would have been say had I just come any services do you have we have two on Sunday I do are you usually better than the second service in the first it really volleys I agree yeah we only have one now but when we head to and they actually I'm only had three there there were times the first one was better and I like all they hit that again in the second one yeah and then sometimes oh I need to fine-tune that and the second one was better yes that's your experience oh it is my experience and I also think though too in the african-american preaching tradition the the sermonic moment is really dialogical so it it the interplay between pulpit and pew it really does something for the dynamism of the moment yes so it can really depend on so if the crowd is dead is your preaching less effective you think well unless I energized how would you look at it those are those are good words effective and energized I I would look at if the crowd is dead then I'm probably rushing is that on you yeah more a drivable sometimes it's on them but but I'm probably pushing through faster to get through it yeah but when they are alive and in it it's just kind of like a good stew I'm sitting down now yeah and and all the spices are coming together you know I wish we had time to talk about the difference in preaching in an african-american church and a white church you know in a white church it's like when it is dead silent uh-huh and there's like no coughing there's no moving you've got them you think they're there that's happening to you in a black church you design your - yeah right yeah your flood buck run we're we are ethnically diverse and so we have African Americans that are are very vocal and everybody celebrates that in fact some of our african-american members have helped our white members loosen up and be more vocal and yeah things happen now that used to never happen in in a sermon like applause in the middle of the sermon people a many and it it is it is joyful I would argue that all preaching is dialogical hmm but it's just not always expressed the same yes is what your cousin - well that's helpful that's helpful I so so for me then in that moment I am I'm kind of dancing with the church yeah and so is it great images in black preaching there is it sometimes if you can do it like Ralph West or Donald parson or or even HB they in their sermons with this climactic Oh radical nation Robert Solow yeah we'll do it I love Robert Smith man cuz he doesn't matter where he is he's gonna shut down yes sir that is it all day long so it in our tradition then and particularly in the pastorate I'm looking for the congregation to go there with me there man as a cue and a clue that that's that's good otherwise they're sitting then I'm not going there my mom yeah well the that the image of the dance first of all it it solidifies them in this relationship between pastor and church shepherd and sheep it's a beautiful thing man I you cannot explain it but why the the joy in it and the freedom of preaching to people who love you and want to hear the word from you there's nothing like yeah I don't like it yes sir well our conversation gone by way too fast but I always like to conclude my time with a guess with what I call the twinkling of an eye around okay all right just random questions just hit them as quickly as you want if you want elaborate feel free all right all right what kind of music you listen to our gospel and R&B mainly I probably could tell you more artists I like PJ Morton and I like Jonathan McReynolds but I listen to Fred Hammond and Marvin Winans is my favorite singer of all time man I cut my teeth on the wine it's way back when question is yes sir I know man I love it yes sir all right uh where did you propose to click to you I I proposed to Kirstie in her living room and there in champaign-urbana and the reason that significant is because our first date October 30th 1998 her dad made us have what he called a couch date so before I got to take her out the house we had to have a date there in the living room on the couch and so I went back to that place to that couch to propose I'd love to meet your father-in-law he's just man oh he sounds like who's your favorite commentator Oh in terms of scripture and yeah my commentary hmm I think Darrell Bock know me man I'm using him in Luke right now phenomenal yeah yeah I've got maybe 20 commentaries on Luke but he's the one I consult first and that dude is good dude yeah like I mean I got to meet him last year and I was like man no wonder I love your stuff yeah it's out something yeah the great great guy what's your favorite pizza well you know I had to give up cheese man so now it's a it's a it's a place called Aurelius in Chicago and it's a red tomato sauce with arugula sausage and pepperoni but before that it was beggars Pizza sausage pepperoni and green peppers and maybe a little bit of mushrooms with a lot of cheese Chicago style well so Chicago has two sounds you know the deep-dish is what we're famous for but there's a thick thin crust so such thin crust but they lay it on thick on top of it so that's my favorite it sounds great man what's your dream car oh I think a Lamborghini yeah I think a Lamborghini I don't know that I'll Drive one at the car that I have now those really nice said we'll talk about that later so but I'm very grateful for that yeah munch serve the classic I'm Audi a8 oh that's my dream car what book should every preacher read oh just one huh no you can name a couple Jesus and the disinherited by Howard Thurman is is one the journey and promise of african-american preaching by Kenyatta Gilbert is another and Brian chapels Christ Center preaching would be another great recommendations you a morning person or a night owl oh where would you like to go that you've never been para I have to take Kirstie to Paris so so that's that's where I'd like to go that we've never been well that's a great choice well I am glad certainly that you came here Diane are on pasture well it's been a joy to have you I'm a great admirer and it's a just an honor to have you as a friend I thank God for you I love cheering you on thank but a great ministry and man let me just encourage you I want you to finish well yes Dave faithful all the way God's got his hand on you and and you just bring glory to Jesus may know that York's over here cheering for a man listen you didn't ask me though where did I want to preach that I hadn't appreciated buckram all right well that's gonna happen all right I'm grateful well thank you for tuning into Pastor well I hope that you'll subscribe on YouTube or your favorite app but we're glad that you've joined us and we'll see you again next time on pastor well

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