Casey Anthony Trial : Day 1, Part 4 Of 4 : George Anthony Testifies

still recognize presence of a jury and the defense okay mr ashton call your witness stay called george anthony middle initial paid last name is amt h4n thank you would you just please start by stating your name for the record by george a anthony mr anthony are you the father of casey anthony the defendant in this case yes and are you the grandfather of kaylee anthony the victim in this case yes would you please tell us first of all where are you from originally uh originally from the warren ohio area which is the northeast section of ohio and is that where you grew up uh yes now earlier in your career were you employed as a law enforcement officer uh yes i was about what age did you begin your career in law enforcement oh right about 23 and i left right about the age of 32. during your time as a law enforcement officer did you meet a young lady by the name of cindy yes i did where did you meet cindy i met cindy at a local hospital where my sister was in being attended to and was she employed there yes and how was she employed uh she was a pediatric nurse did you come to develop a relationship with cindy and eventually marry uh yes and when did you marry uh in 1981 and where did that occur in also in warren ohio now at the time that you met cindy were you working as a law enforcement officer then uh yes sir i was and in what capacity were you working when you two first met and began to to see each other i was working as an undercover drug agent with the shares department where i was employed in your time with the sheriff's office could you just describe for us what different positions you held or responsibilities you have well i had a brief stint as a considered an auxiliary officer i was immediately asked to become a full-time officer which i did i was in two years road patrol i advanced pretty quickly to become a detective and i was working at different times in auto theft i mean it was a lot of different things and homicide i did a lot of different varied things as a detective how big an agency was the sheriff's department well is it is it warren ohio sheriff's department or it's called the trumbull county sheriff's department trumbull county sheriff's department how big a sheriff's department is that at the time that i was employed there we had a road patrol or at least a full-size staff of about 110 maybe 112 sheriff deputies and how about the detective divisions how many detectives did you all have somewhere in neighborhood about 10 to 12 it wasn't a real large agency but i would say roughly about that so so during your period as a detective did you investigate a number of different kinds of crimes right i originally started out with as far as um like it says the auto theft and also like break-ins and things like that but from time to time you would be brought into other realms of investigation and occasionally even homicide cases i think you just said that could happen from time to time yes depending on what was needed and the number of staff that can't be utilized now during your marriage um were you blessed with children yes fortunate enough to have two children with cindy okay and uh the oldest could you tell us the name and gender of that child my oldest is my son lee uh he is i'm going to be 29 years old this year and what year was he born in 1982 and how about your daughter casey which she's a female she was born in 1986 and so now she's 25. now did there come a time during your the time you lived in ohio when you got out of law enforcement and got into another line of work i got out of law enforcement uh for two reasons my father had asked me to come back into a family established car business and after numerous incidents that occurred within the sheriff's department through being hurt on the job different other things made me change my mind to get out of law enforcement go back into a family business that i know number one be more stable i would be able to provide more for my family now were you still working as a law enforcement officer when casey was born or did that happen during your second career um you see day two um casey was born after i had left the sheriff's department and you said you went into a family business what type of family business was that my father started a automobile agency back in 1947 so he had been in the business for numerous years did there come a point in time when so you did go to work for your father then yes there come a point in time when your father left the business or you left his business oh my father was sort of in like a semi-retirement when i joined him in 1984 and shortly thereafter we had some incidents of occur with between him and i we decided to part ways and i believe that was in 1987 i'm roughly thinking about that was probably the time and did you decide to basically go out on your own in that same type of business right i started to start my own on mobility to see a small used car dealership and provide for my family yes when casey was born were you still working for your dad or were you on your own at that point i was i just casey had just been born and was like about a year after casey had been born that i went out on my own or we i started another business now at some point did you and your wife decide to leave ohio where you had grown and lived and moved to florida yes we decided for a lot of reasons when my parents had retired here in florida cindy's parents also had retired in florida and through my job starting my job but the company that i had established was suffering financially just a lot of different reasons came into play for us to decide well the children were young enough why not go to florida i mean that's somewhere where both grandparents both sorts of grandparents were at fresh start give us just another opportunity to start over now during your pardon me during your marriage through the birth of your children did your wife cindy continue to work cindy had uh she started working part-time when lee was um was first born to provide for him and be there for him and she started working full time and i know she took some time off a little bit when casey was born and she still worked i can't remember exactly many of hours she had been working during the week somewhere but it wasn't a lot she took time help raise our children now about what were the ages of your children when you all moved to florida uh lee was just shy of being seven years old and casey was just just three years old uh when you got here to florida did um cindy go go to work in her profession pretty much immediately she i was hired by a orthopedic clinic in winter park and i had it took me about three months before i was employed had you considered going into law enforcement when you got to uh to florida i did go down to the uh orlando police department and look into being hired by them and because of having a law enforcement background i thought it would be an easier chance for me to get reestablished and start having a pretty person establish an income right away and did you decide not to not to pursue that right after thinking about some of the drawbacks of law enforcement how telling it can be and heart it's it's a very hard hard line of work to adhere to every single day it's very demanding all right and was your wife part of that decision-making process all right shoot going back yet i apologize she didn't want me to go back in law enforcement because she's seen what could potentially happen i mean you could be going to work one day and not come home the next it's it's a very uh tough position very professional at some point did you get into the private security field yes i was hired by the city of orlando um and started working at the what was considered the centralplex at the time with the orlando arena bob carr and in in the years leading up to the the events we're going to discuss did you work in that field um pretty consistently pretty consistently it's it's unfortunate that from time to time you lose a position or you you have a chance to move on somewhere along and you make some decisions to go into another line of work or get back into something that you know and yes i did some more security work yes over the years and did cindy continue to work in her nursing profession yes cindy has been very fortunate she's only had two positions of employment since we've been here all these years now did there come a point in time when you learned that your daughter was pregnant yes i did i i think it was like may or june of uh 2005. how did you learn that she was pregnant uh my daughter and my wife sat me down in our living room and said they had something to tell me and first hearing about it extremely excited extremely excited to be a grandfather to see my daughter be a mother but also concerns about you know how she's gonna raise his child because she's a single mom i i never really thought too much about who the father could be that was a discussion i wanted to have maybe a little bit later i wanted my daughter first to be happy to get through the pregnancy fine to enjoy that special time of becoming a mother that i thought was very important now you kind of touched on this a little bit at the time that you learned the pregnancy um your daughter was not married at the time sorry was she yeah okay she's never been married um at the time that you learned of the pregnancy was she involved with someone where you would sort of assume that that person was the father well i really wasn't sure if casey i know casey had dated at different times over the years but i really wasn't sure about who she was maybe seeing on a more serious basis or anything like that no sir so um how did you and your wife begin to prepare for the arrival of a grandchild oh just doing everything we can to make casey's life as easy as possible for our grandchild uh getting a chance to go to different times when she was going to be examined uh went through the uh ultrasound did you go absolutely i did and when i got a chance to uh see that it was considered uh i think it's called a a pancake i think it's the term or something like that of when you can see it's going to be a girl okay maybe that's not the proper term knowledge but i was very excited i mean if having us a grandson would have been terrific but just knowing that she was going to be a mother it must be grandparents it wouldn't matter she could have three or four children once it would have been fine with me i just was excited at the time that that you learned of the pregnancy was casey living under your roof casey has always lived with us yes now was she in school at that time the time he learned of the pregnancy or had she already finished high school she already finished high school to your knowledge at that point was she working she was uh working for a company called color vision which is a subcontractor for universal studios was it your understanding that that was one of those companies that take your picture when you walk in the front door and then offer to sell it to you yes later that kind of thing yes all right so um during your preparations for this was there any question among three of you as to where casey and your grandchild would live after she was born no i mean we just we opened up what she's always lived at home and we thought that would be the thought but we knew that having kaylee with us or knowing our grandchild could live with us until casey got more established better better on her own possibly job promotion or whatever it might be she would stay with us until the time she felt that she wanted to leave now you mentioned home where was home home is 4937 hope spring drive where we've lived since 1989. since when since 1989. 89. and was that a house that you all purchased was it did you purchase it actually before you moved to florida or sort of early on uh cindy had came down to florida to see her parents and when we decided we were going to be moving down here because of my work at the time and through other things i couldn't get away cindy basically came down and looked the area over found a realtor found a home and what they say the rest is sort of history that's the home we settled on and this is is this a home in which you raised your children and were intending to help raise kaylee oh yes um could we show the witness a state's exhibit a n for identification if you'll look at the screen for a moment um do you recognize the photograph that we've identified states exhibit a-n for identification that is our home at uh hope spring drive 49-37 that's the one you've described to us where your children were raised and yes kaylee was to be raised this time our state would move into evidence states exhibit a n for identification what says the defense there being no objections it will be received in evidence as states exhibit numbered amen publisher you may publish now this um during the time that you were assisting with the pregnancy and waiting for your grandchild to come around um did kaylee casey continue to work casey worked up until i think it was might been about at least two or three weeks prior to um kayla being born i might be off maybe a week or so but at least it's in that that sort time period tell us about kayleigh's birth where were you when you found out i'll try and help you with this where were you when you found out that it was time uh we were um cindy casey and i were all at home and casey had been starting to become a little bit ill or she was showing signs of possible labor i i mean she was throwing up you know she had some other small issues that made us think okay maybe this is something that's going on that's something we need to um look into and get her some assistance so we took her up to the um to the hospital and i think in a few short hours you know we the doctor was called in her pediatrician and um you mean her obstetrician obstetrician i'm sorry it's okay obstetrician yes and um the lady um helped her bring casey and michael into the world were you actually there in the delivery room or did you have to wait outside well i was i was in the living room i was in a digital room for my two my own two children but also being there for also for kaylee which was to me not only amazing but also embarrassing to a point sure and if i might say that there's sometimes in in your life as a father there's some things of your child you don't want to see again growing growing up and and but you know something it's just an experience that it's just it's hard to put into words just how elated you are and how happy you are to see your own child give birth to another child it's just amazing and was was the birth was kaylee okay kate it was fine i mean there was a little complication here or there but it wasn't anything that the doctor couldn't take care of because the doctor was right there the whole time and and other nurses and things like that so it was well taken care of now during the the pregnancy at some point did was the subject broached about who the father of kaley was or was thought to be i can't remember if we exactly talked about it prior to just kaylee being born or writing right after but i know then it was brought up because yeah i wanted to know because i feel it takes two to make this child and this father needs to be made aware of that he's going to be a father and who he could possibly be and you know be great to meet him and see what his obligation would be and i felt where the fathers needs to be have an obligation for the birth of this child did you have an occasion then to meet the person that at least at that point was thought to be the father there was a name brought up that casey believed could have been the father um all i remembers the last name was baker i believe and that was about it but if i can take another step forward casey also had been seeing another gentleman who had been employed at universal studios by her name of jesse that i got to understand and get to know that he could have been also been the father so he was you know one of okay two guys possibly now when did you first meet jesse i met jesse for the very first time on the day that kaylee was born that'd been august 9th how did that go i'm not very well truthfully i mean i was elated to be there to see my daughter see my granddaughter but jesse did not make the best first impression with me all right now um after uh kaylee was born did she in case you return to your home yes i think on that next it could have been the second day or maybe 30 i think it was the second day and did jesse become at least initially part of sort of the the family group with with kaylee as an infant right jesse we pretty much opened up our arms to him and and welcome in and wanted to get to know him more and just you know if he was the father i would just be happy to later get a chance to know him and see what his dynamic was going to be as far as how he was going to take care of kaley and case or at least help take care of them did there come a point when it was learned through certain scientific testing that jessie was in fact not the father of kaylee right i'm not sure about how long after kaylee had gotten home i mean casey and caitlyn got home that jesse went and got a paternity test done as kaylee grew what was your role in her her upbringing in her life um i'm just her grandfather i mean i i probably acted sometimes maybe like as a father with her because i was around her every day or nearly every single day and to me that was pretty awesome to have not only my daughter there but also to have my granddaughter to be around that's just you know on the scale of one to ten you have to give that probably a a 20 or better because it's it's double the excitement now what role did cindy uh take in in raising kaylee oh just being a great grandmother i mean helping any way she could help babysit from time or you know take care of kaylee from time to time um same way as i did i mean cindy did it more frequently than i did because of my work schedule but to be a fantastic grandmother help provide for kaylee in any way that we she could or i could as kaley began to grow and be able to speak did she have names for you and cindy and other members of the family well kaylee started calling me jojo and i and i know how probably jojo came about because my daughter casey used to call me papa joe and that happened to be through another friend of hers that we just became very close with over the years but jojo was just probably easy for haley to say better than grandpa but her grand father or something so you were jojo i was jojo how about cindy how did cindy became cece or possibly uh grammy sometimes but mostly with cc now taking us now up into 2008 the the winter spring early months of 2008 tell us how kaylee had developed in other words how would what could she do how advanced was she physically mentally etc well not only i'm just a bragging grandfather sure but uh we'll take it with a grain of salt but she i mean she was a very vocal child i mean she could put a lot of words together she could we have a remotes on our tv she learns how to do that there was not a little button she could push on the tv to get it to change channels which i thought was amazing she could turn on the vcr put her own dvds in oh my gosh she knew to go inside of our pantry area and get the plastic jar of peanut butter we had the small one and go get herself a spoon have her come over and ask you to open it up so she could have a spoonful of peanut butter um the god puzzles to go together the way she'd bring crayons to you to color every day and make play-doh little things for herself i mean you name it she she could do it and i i knew from working with her or from us doing things with her she was a very bright child you would sing a song with her once she could sing it next time with you which to me was just amazing so in terms of physical dexterity she was able to uh open drawers uh open doors things of that so all right there would be no thing that she couldn't accomplish i mean we we seen that we put the proper security not um plastic knobs on doorknobs and all that because yeah she could she could she could open things up for her age she was really something now in the fall i'm sorry in the early summer late spring early summer of 2008 did you believe that your daughter was employed that's sort of a two-part answer for me sure yes and no okay explain that for us will you i always wanted to give my daughter the benefit of the doubt of working and providing for her for her own daughter because she was a single mom but at different times and i would question about her about her her money or or things like that how she was providing for for kaylee okay let me stop you for a sec because i don't want to go too far afield of this but what what was it that she told you about her employment let's say in may and june of 2008 what was it that she told you well that she was still uh employed by color vision she's moving on as an event planner i believe through universal studios at the time but also should was starting to work a part-time job at sports authority not too far away from our home and as far as the universal studios job did you believe that she was actually working there at in may and june of 2008 i was wanting to believe that she was working there yes because i mean she still had a universal id um she every time i would be talking to her and asking her prior to me going to work are you going to work today yeah i've got something going on at universal i'm doing this event planning and things like that so yeah i was believing in hoping that she was working there yes would she did she have a routine reflective of someone going to work pretty much so i mean i i know she worked a lot more like a early afternoon to an early evening types type shift just went at one or two o'clock and i'd come home until like eight or ten o'clock at night i mean it could vary i i know working in event planning that she had explained to us sometimes you could work just during the that particular event that you're scheduled for which could be four or six hours long so i just took it as she was there for that period of time yes what did she tell you well at this point in time let's say may and june of 2008 uh was cindy working with your wife yes what was her work schedule uh cindy was monday through friday she could be leaving the house any time between seven seven thirty eight o'clock and she would work till five sometimes six o'clock in the evening could be a little bit later but generally that was her general work schedule money through friday how about you during that same period of time what was your work schedule i was working on an afternoon shift i was working 3 p.m to 11 p.m some people call it a second shift or an afternoon shift i was working in security for a company out of baltimore springs and were you working the same monday through friday schedule as cindy or no i worked sunday through thursday i was off on fridays and saturdays now during the periods of time when casey you believe was at work and you and cindy were both at work did she indicate to you what who was watching kaylee well i there was a name that was brought up and i don't think it was maybe a year prior to all this stuff occurring from us i think it was probably just shortly after the first year that i can basically remember a girl by name of zany's name was brought into it or i guess the name came out later on at zaneda but that's what i was told her this lady was taking care of um kaylee's his name was annie she was a babysitter when you and cindy were not available yes now i want to direct your attention excuse me to um june the 16th well before i do that um could we have states exhibit a let me unpublish first do we have states exhibit a for the monitor for the witness you recognize that picture that's kaylee that's my granddaughter too this time you're on a move into evidence states exhibit a for identification there'll be no objection it'd be received in evidence as states numbered and i've published it to the jury do you know approximately when this was taken in terms of its proximity to the last time that you saw her this would have to be probably the early part of 2008 i'm just going to guess somewhere in that january to march april time i'm just taking a wild wild guess probably in that first quarter of 2008. does this um fairly and actually depict her appearance the last time you saw her in terms of of general appearance and hair and all those kinds of things generally yes it does i mean she could have her hair back sometimes times could have glasses on it just but this yeah this is definitely this is definitely kaylee now take us to the morning of the 16th of june of 2008. it was a monday morning tell us how that morning began for you uh with me waking up probably about the time that my wife was had just left for work or going to work uh me getting up and having my my normal cup of coffee i'm just starting my day off a little bit early like i generally have and having having kaylee come out and be able to spend some time with her was that was that a normal course of events for you to have some morning time with kaylee well absolutely i mean there would be times that after she would she'd be in in casey's room with her she would come out and i'd take her first thing is to make sure that she would freshen herself up brush her teeth um go use the facility around what she needed to do because she was starting to do that and just you know maybe wash your face off and just say hey this is how you go with jojo and get some cereal and things so that was the start of our day that was pretty much not an everyday occurrence but it was pretty pretty regular and is that how it went on this particular morning oh absolutely it was it was a great morning to just have some fun together her and i act silly and dance around and watch a video or whatever it might be so color what what what was your favorite video did you have a favor oh my gosh lady in the [ __ ] was a fantastic video for her to watch um 101 dalmatians that she called dow dalmatians there was just a lot of different things that just captivated her that she loved i i wish i could remember more right now but those two i know she watched quite frequently and enjoyed the most now this particular morning do you recall when you first saw casey probably could have been about nine ten o'clock that morning roughly right around there just getting up and getting her day started and just i'm not i can't remember exactly what she did to get ready that day for work or something like that i know as it was to me it was a lot of precious time for me to spend with with kaylee so whatever casey could have could have done that morning been on the computer whatever she was doing i let her do her thing because when you've got time with your grandchild you know your own child sometimes takes takes a back seat to that point did anything was it just a normal morning anything out of the ordinary occurred anything different than the usual mornings that you you had not really anything i can really say that really stuck out at all i i just know that i just i was just so thankful to have time with with kaylee talking to casey i'm sure we had a conversation about work or or something i don't remember the specifics about that aspect of it but i do know that it was when people talk about atypical or routine mortgaging on more morning before they went off to work they're probably just one of those typical times that we all sort of just take for granted sometimes all right so did there come a time when kaylee and casey left the house that that day that is something that is uh forever in my mind that i can't forget that day because that's the last day that i saw katelyn casey together i i was watching a specific program on tv it's on the food channel on our one of our local cable tvs and this gentleman who has this show called drive drive up diners and dies i'm just i've just been amazed by his his stuff i just like him going around but what what is what's really this amazing is i remember the time because it was a commercial break on tv and i remember kaylee coming out from casey's room um dressed in a nice little pink top she had her blue jeans little shorts on her white sandals pink socks her um white sunglasses her hair pulled back and she's a little backpack on and i said where you going and she's going with mommy and i said oh really i said where are you going i'm going to see zany and i said really great you know i'm just excited i'm just knowing that she's happy and i can see excitement in her and and within a few minutes casey comes out and you know dress and she says dad we're going to work i might be home late or i'll let you guys know i might be staying over staying over where uh she said you know probably zanny's house because zanny was i guess live somewhere close by or she didn't want to come home too late and plus kaylee would be in bed between 8 30 probably nine o'clock and i said okay it's something that happened every once in a while it wasn't an occurrence like her i could be every once in a great while she would stay with a friend or stay at zany's house or something like that so up to this point in time had you ever met zany uh no i never met sandy never had a any reason to because i thought that's who so he was seen you told us about the conversation with kaylee with casey what happened i i went out i by general like i did when i could see them going off to when seeing casey going off to work and walking out with with kaylee and seeing kaylee getting placed in the car getting buckled in her car seat just just a normal type stuff and i didn't i'd blow her a kiss and say joey i'll see you later and she'd blow a kiss back and give casey a hug and just totally you know drive safe make sure you come home not too late you know just normal father or grandfather type things to and did you see them leave in a vehicle uh they left in casey's car which is a pontiac sunfire that's a white pontiac sunfire yes did you ever see kaylee again i've never seen kaylee since june 16th i haven't seen her since now mr anthony i need to ask you some questions about something else have you ever sexually molested your daughter casey anthony no sir have you ever committed any sexually inappropriate act with or in the presence of your daughter casey anthony no sir were you present in your home when kaylee anthony died no and when i heard that today it hurt really bad because if i would have known something would have happened to caitlin we wouldn't be here today now let me just ask you a couple of questions when you were a law enforcement officer were you trained in cpr uh yes sir is there any extent that you would not have gone to to save kaylie's life i would have done everything possible humanly possible to save my granddaughter if what was stated prior would happened i would have done anything i would save my granddaughter did you dispose of the body of your granddaughter no i did not did you obtain duct tape from your shed or garage and place it over the nose and mouth of kaley anthony no i did not did you have any role or any knowledge that kaylee marie anthony died on june 16 2008 prior to recent revelations no sir i never had any duct tape i i never knew of anything that happened to kaylee until until our life started to unfold on july 15 2008 and when kaylee was found on december 11th you and i have no further questions of the witness at this time i would like to reserve the right to recall him for additional areas of close examination mr anthony when did you first find out your daughter was private i believe it was sometime in may or june of uh 2005. so she was seven months pregnant when you first found out six seven months it could have been right around that time yes do you recall going to a wedding that whereas cindy's brother's wedding i went to myrtle beach south carolina but i did not attend the wedding were you ever confronted by rick her brother about casey's pregnancy we had a brief discussion about it but i uh i told i i've told ricky was none of his concern of his business whatever was going on with casey would be taking it would be it would be handled through cindy and i we will we're there for casey you don't have to worry about it so is it your testimony today that you knew she was pregnant and you just didn't want him to know or you didn't know she was pregnant at the time i i didn't have an exact knowledge of the time that she was when i found out that she was pregnant i didn't have that exact knowledge at that time did i have a feeling possibly yes no um but no i mean i did see a change physically with in in casey but nothing that i know that cindy and i weren't going to you know help her with or attend to so the photograph that you saw here today you don't believe yes do not you may is that a fair and accurate representation of casey when he went to the wedding well absolutely like i said i did not go i did not attend the wedding i was there but i didn't go to the wedding that day but as far as that being casey and and cindy together yes judge unless there's any objection i'd like to move defense exhibit a into evidence yes call them back for that mr president so we can all be clear mister just a second you may proceed so we can all be clear mr anthony did you know your daughter was pregnant the the day the photograph was taken not not exactly i mean i i had a feeling that she was but then again like i've said like i've stated until we knew for sure until we could take her in for some kind of test or something like that so the answer is no yeah the answer is no i mean do i fee does it look like it at that point that photograph yeah possibly i didn't ask you that i just asked you did you know if your daughter was pregnant the day that photograph was taken your answer no no not exactly enough no and you're a father of two yes and you were father of two when that photo was taken and is it your idea that your daughter had a beer belly i think the term was considered at one point maybe with retaining water or something like that it is possible i mean i i didn't believe that my daughter could be going to have a child right at that time but stuff happens i mean it's did anyone know that casey was pregnant when that photograph was taken anyone outside sustained did you tell anyone at that time that casey was pregnant no not at that time i did not know and when you were confronted with her pregnancy you didn't want to to talk about it did you the first time i heard about casey expecting a child is when cindy and casey came back to our house and we sat down on the couch together or very close to the proximity of our couch in our house and casey and cindy told me that they have something that they wanted to tell me about and you didn't have a clue that casey was pregnant up until that moment like i said maybe a feeling or an intuition to a point but when they told me i was i was elated i was excited you have no problems with your vision do you sir no sir i do not okay and was there an explanation given by your act your daughter lived with you did she not yes every day every day and you saw her every day pretty much so i'd say probably 99 of the time i would see her yes and six months prior to that photograph being taken did you see her retaining water then well i really don't believe that you see a person or a woman each woman is made up differently each woman is going to show a pregnancy my question to you sir is six months prior to the photograph being taken did you see your daughter retaining water then six months no did not have you prior to casey being pregnant had you ever seen her retaining water prior to that when casey was younger i know she put on weight here and there when she was involved with athletics and things like that casey was a very athletic young lady growing up and when she was younger and putting on weight due to being in athletics did it come out of did the weight gain in her stomach or elsewhere stomach it could be in her hindsight or her butt some people would consider it could be in her shoulders and she would work out and it would sort of go away she was an avid runner so as she was an avid runner she would gain a belly i'm not saying that i'm saying through her activity if she wouldn't be and she'd be running as much or being as active i think anyone is going to put on on weight with inactivity now you mentioned that you were in the delivery room is that correct yes and you were on you assisted in in the delivery no i did not assist i was there and observed my granddaughter being delivered and you didn't know who the father was up until that day no i did not did not know that you didn't ask not up to that point i didn't because when i found out that i was going to be a grandfather casey was expecting a child and we went through the different tests and we went my question to you sir is did you ask i think it was rightly shortly thereafter or right around maybe just before she had delivery i'm not sure the exact time when i finally did ask and i remember a name of baker was brought up so the answer is yes you did ask yes now how soon after finding out that your only daughter is pregnant did you ask who's the father i don't know it could have been like i said probably just prior to her delivering kaylee i'm not really sure i don't have an exact timetable you're asking me to be specific just a second please let the witness finish answering the question before there's another question continue are you finished sir yes okay now after you find out your daughter's going to be giving birth to your first grandchild how long after did she give birth well if i just found out in may or june we had uh kaylee was delivered in august so it was over two to three months you know give give or take a few weeks so in the entire two months you never stopped your daughter and asked her who is the father of this child you didn't ask her up until just before the child was born the day after or the day you were confronted with this news did you hold a party or anything like that no just have a baby shower staff did you ask a question sir the day that i found out that i was going to be a grandfather when i first got the news of casey's pregnancy and it was only cindy casey and i at our house now you testified under direct examination that you thought your daughter was working did you not yes do you recall speaking to the fbi on july 31st of 2008 excuse me july 30th i had spoken to the fbi and the sheriff's department numerous agents a couple different agencies within a two or three week period and when you spoke to the fbi did you make the statement the irresponsibility because i've known her just a sec sustained rephrase your question yes i'll rephrase the question on july 30th of 2008 do you recall speaking to an agent uh scott bollin and an agent maplier if that was a date that you have written down that's probably the date that i did i'm i'm not i can't be specific on a timetable because i don't have information in front of me but i'm sure that probably 35 council lines one through four did you make the statement the irresponsibility because i've known her just a second i don't believe it is you give the landing page give counsel an opportunity to find the line so okay next question did you make the statement that your responsibility because i've known her i've had a feeling for the last two years my daughter has not worked did you make that statement mr anthony i'm i did i did so was the statement you made under direct examination to this jury the truth or was it to the fbi approach you may continue now mr anthony you believed your daughter was yes working believe casey was working yes and every two weeks did she come home with a paycheck no i never really saw a paycheck from her because if she had a direct deposit or however she handles her finances that was up to her what did you see your daughter spending her paycheck on pardon me what did you see your daughter spending her paycheck on well hopefully for necessities for her for her daughter uh gas for her car uh insurance to insure that car i mean we were very very good about helping casey out in any way we possibly could if she was struggling financially or anything like that at all i mean we just want to make sure she was responsible for herself and her child and since you were wanting to make to find out that she was responsible for her child when did you ask to meet the nanny i never asked to meet uh a nanny i i never did and did the nanny ever call the house not that i am ever aware of did you ever hear the nanny speaking to casey on the phone no and did uh you ever see photographs of the nanny no did you ever see anything written describing a phone number or anything like that any information about the nanny no just whatever casey told us about that she had someone that was helping take care of kaylee when her mother and i weren't available to and every day she would get up get dressed and go to a work and go to work and drop kaylee off with the nanny that's what we were told she was doing i mean i had no reason really at too much at any point not to disbelieve or believe my daughter i mean she was taking care of her child the best way she possibly could is that a yes well i think you got an opening the question there to a point and i'm trying to answer the best way i possibly can i mean did i ever know that she was dropping my question haley's off every time sir that's what you're sort of asking me i don't know i was hoping she was taking her to someone she described or told us was a nan my question to you sir is did she get dressed and go to work and leave the child with a nanny as far as you know as far as i know yes for two years it might have been an exact two year period it could have been a little bit less than that you know i'm not really known how long she might have been a year and a half possibly a year and a half could have been a year i'm not really sure so you don't know the different you know kaylee was only two and a half yes correct so for most of her life casey dropped her off at a nanny that didn't exist i'll rephrase the judgment sustained for two years casey dropped a net and casey dropped kaylee off at a nanny that you never met maybe not a whole two years to answer a question yes someone i never met someone i had never had a phone number for or any indication to go to to pick kaylee up and like that for most of her life for probably maybe maybe a half of her life i'm just going in a roundabout way but actually to actually answer your question kaylee when casey when kaylee came up missing kaylee was two years and 10 months not two and a half so that needs to be clarified sir okay now let me ask you this did you ever go to a sports authority to verify if casey worked there absolutely i did yes and you found out she wasn't working there i found out that she was not employed there because i went to go surprise my daughter at lunch just surprise her you have to take my daughter to lunch just to see how she was doing and it had nothing to do with the fact that you suspected she was not working that was a two-fold thing yes to see if she was there and if she was there great terrific i'll take her out to lunch so which was it was it because you wanted to surprise her for lunch or you wanted to verify and see if she was lying to you are you saying sir that the both both of those were the reasons is that what your testimony is one hoping that she was working there secondly if she was i would take her out to lunch now the sports authority was not universal studios no it was not but i understood from casey being an event planner again those they do not run these events every single day so my question to you sir is sports authority i'm trying to try to explain sustain listen folks ask the question let there be a break between the answer mr anthony the court reporter cannot take it down when both of you are talking and if a witness is being over responsive counselors say the witness is being over responsible but do not interrupt a witness when the witness is attempting to answer the question you may proceed sports authority is not the same as universal studios i will agree yes now did you ever go to universal studios to inquire if your order was working no i did not i want to discuss june 16th 2008 do you understand yes you said you had breakfast with kaley yes kaley would often have breakfast with you numerous times yes we'd have breakfast together yes kaylee love to swim yes and kaylee would almost go swimming every day more she would go as frequently i as i know that cindy would take her or cece would take her i rarely ever got in the pool with with kaylee unless cindy and i were there together with her kaylee would wake you up and say jojo swim jojo swim she did a few times yes and kaylee could get out of the house for relatively easily correct relatively easy i'll agree with you to that yes now around june 16 2008 you were having significant marital problems with cindy were you not not on that particular day no let's go back for a little bit once kaylee was born you moved out did you not approach you may proceed now when kaylee was born you moved out um no around that time how many months before you moved out um november towards the end of november first part of december 2005. i'm sorry towards the end of november the beginning of december 2005. so kaylee would have been just a few weeks a couple months old if i'm not mistaken from august to december could it be almost four months i'm sorry from august to december it could be almost four months we're going into like a fifth month she was an infant when you moved out yes yes and lee also moved out lee was out on his own trying to establish himself as a as a young man in the world is trying to get out to be on his own to have some responsibility and the issues with you moving out of the house was because casey didn't want you around no right no that no that wasn't the reason that wasn't the reason what were the reasons for you moving out of the house uh cindy and i had some financial difficulties we were going through a really tough marital time and and that is a personal matter between her and i and that's not for the the court or you decide i'm not on trial here for that this is uh when you told cindy you had a gambling problem correct i had done some gambling on the internet yes sir that's that's well established and i'm not gonna deny that i did it now did you tell the fbi that it wasn't a gambling problem that you fell for some nigerian bank scam there was a nigerian bank scam and also some minor gambling that was done on it so i mean i i didn't i didn't lie to them i told them the truth i told them charlie the truth today so it's both you were gambling and you fell for a nigerian bank scam as well and i believe there's other people that have happened to yes and when you move back the tension between you and casey continued not really i don't there was some tension because i had moved out of the house but it wasn't because of prior tests between kaylee and i or casey and i or anything like that i mean cindy and i were going through a rough time it happened but as far as when i came back to the house things were a lot better because i didn't come back all of a sudden it took months for me to gain some confidence back with cindy and our marriage itself again and it's something we're still working on today now going back to june 16th after you had breakfast with kaylee what did kelly do that oh we watched a a dvd i'm almost positive we did as far as which one i can't remember specifically but just spending time with her coloring in coloring book was something we did pretty much in everyday occurrence just spending time with her and it's your testimony that both casey and kaley left the house at 12 50. 12 50 or shortly thereafter yes sir positive i know that for a fact and what time did you go to work at that day shortly after two o'clock 2 10 2 15 i only had about a 10 minute drive to go to work and i just lived the short distance i mean i worked a short distance away now you described to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what kaylee was wearing that day yes and that was a pink top is that a yes uh yes and jean shorts yes and white sunglasses kit white sunglasses yes and a backpack with monkeys on it is that correct when i first was asked a question by the state i'd set a backpack but yeah it did have what i believe was a monkey design on it yes what did cindy wear that day i have no idea i can't remember what cindy wore that morning because cindy would leave sometime between seven eight o'clock in the morning i mean she was very professional wearing it could have been a pair of slacks and he talked i don't know i couldn't i couldn't tell you what does cindy wear the next day overall as to that question what did cindy wear the next day again it could have been uh slacks it could have been a dress uh you know a nice i don't know i don't know what cindy wore the next day now you weren't asked about what kaylee was wearing for one month after she went missing correct you're gonna have to give me a little bit more of a question here for me to give you nobody asked you what kaylee was wearing the last time you saw her until july 15 2008 one month after you last saw her that's correct because i didn't know where i didn't know that we would be having a missing child in our lives and be thrown into this i didn't know anything about that but i i specifically know what she wore because that's the last time i saw her and that's what she had on and you had no idea when you saw her for the last time that that would be the last time you saw her that's correct but yet one month later you still remember what she was wearing sustain did you remember one month later what kaylee was wearing sustain but you can't recall what your wife was wearing sustain do you remember what your wife was wearing last tuesday sustained now mr anthony you reported gas cans missing on the 24th of june on june 24th of 2008 yes i made a report to the orange county sheriff's department about a break-in of a shed someone forcefully broke into a shed and removed uh gas cans and you did that because you were concerned that someone was burglarizing your shed sustained mr anthony when you reported when you got the gas cans back from your daughter how did that occur mr anthony did you ever notice any duct tape on that gas cap yes you may continue mr anthony you you testify today that kaylee did not drown in the pool correct that's correct and you said that when you heard this today you would not have we would not be here if that were the case do you remember saying those words yes sir but you've heard this previously have you not okay where's the question it's raised uh yes okay now and you've heard this previously from several different areas do you not did you not necessarily just one area you also heard from the prosecution that that's how kaylee died did you not you may jackson sustain rephrase the question you yes for a period of time i talked to mr ashton yes and you spoke to mr ashton about the testimony today briefly yes we just discussed how i would be basically questioned by the by the state by him and there was no there was no there was no exact questions like that we just went over a generality of things yes sir so you were prepped and no strong correct no that that's that's a misconception i was not prepped i was just told that i possibly or it looked like i'd be the first person called and that we would talk about my granddaughter and we've done that how long did you meet with mr ashton about an hour roughly i'm just roughly guessing and he told you the questions he was going to ask me no sir i already answered uh he's answered the questions objection overrule at this point no justin ladies and gentlemen adjure the court at an appropriate time in talking about judging the credibility of witnesses the court will instruct you it is entirely proper for a witness to discuss their testimony uh with their attorneys prior to them coming into court and that a witness should not be discredited by talking to an attorney instructional read exactly it is entirely proper for a lawyer to talk to a witness about the testimony the witness would give if called into the courtroom the witness should not be discredited by talking to a lawyer about his or her testimony you may continue you currently have a lawyer do you not yes i do and within 24 hours of reporting kaylee missing you had a lawyer then by the name of paul kelly did you notice overall at this point uh mr paul kelly is a worker's comp attorney i did seek his advice when this first occurred because i had no one else to turn to and with him having legal knowledge yes i did but i did not retain him he was there just as we brought him in as a friend to help us through the first hour the first few days whatever it's going to be he was he was never we'd never retained him he was there just to count to counsel us through something help us go in the right direction if we needed some kind of assistance you saw legal advice from him within 24 hours of calling law enforcement did you not we had mr kelly to our house the day that we first met you at our house if i am pretty much on point with that my question that i never talked to mr kelly you sought legal advice from mr kelly is that a yes i didn't ask you when i okay i will i will answer that yes right now and that was within 24 hours of calling the police in this case it possibly could have been within a 24-hour period i'm not sure that can etsy okay i'll say yes at this point and then after you you mentioned he's not a criminal defense lawyer then you retained a criminal defense lawyer subsequent to him did you not you may objection sustained next question now mr anthony you stated that you never had any duct tape is that correct i i didn't say anything about duct tape mine you heard that you've seen are you aware of the duct tape that's involved in this case i was made aware of it some time ago i came to exact nature about how i got to have knowledge of duct tape i could have seen it on the internet or some discovery that was left out there i'm not really sure you're not sure i'm not sure of exact timeline i mean i understand that there was some duct tape that that's part of this uh trial part of this case you sat right over there while i gave my opening statement did you know yes sir i did so you know exactly what i'm referring to do you know sustain you can ask them about duct tape but you can't ask about your opening statement opening statement is not evidence next question you understand what the issue is correct you've seen the duct tape that we're referring to yes now you told mr ashton that you never had any duct tape were you in possession of that duct tape i don't remember that duct tape that this whatever you're talking about i remember that being exactly at my home i mean i've had tapes and stuff for for many years i mean i've purchased that type of different places i'm not thankful sustained mr anthony would you finish answering the question please sir that specific one if if that was at my house then i guess that could be considered yes in my possession i had knowledge of it and you did not put the duct tape on that gas can correct sustain were you in possession of that duct tape at the public supermarket the command center while you were passing out flyers of your missing granddaughter sustain just being reapproaching now mr anthony on when did you first find out that your car that your car was towed overall as to that question when i first found out about our pontiac sunfire had been towed we had received a a notice through the united postal united states postal service see like a yellowish color tag probably about the size of this and it just had our name on it the person who had sent it and it was available to be picked up you know at the at the local post office where we have we get our mail delivered from do you understand my question sir my question was when i first got notice of it when did you first know or find out that your car was towed what date i believe it was sunday the 13th of july it was on a sunday and you picked up the car on the 15th you picked up the car on the 5th yes and when you picked up the car did you advise anyone that your granddaughter was missing if i remember correctly when i was walking around the car with the gentleman at the toe yard and after realizing that i hadn't seen my granddaughter for nearly a month and i really hadn't had a lot of contact with my daughter within that month i was concerned when i seen the car being towed there when i saw the car had been towed there did you advise anyone that your granddaughter was missing when you picked up the car no not at that time i didn't say she was missing no you didn't tell anyone that you hadn't seen your granddaughter what i said to the tow gentleman that was there i don't remember his name off the top of my head it was when we were walking around the back of the car i didn't verbally say it out loud i think i said it in a very soft home that i hope this i hope that my grand hope this is not my daughter or my granddaughter or both because the way the car smelled and that smell was the smell of human decomposition sustained after you smelled that smell sir what did you do mister just until this witnesses call for further testimony questions can it redirect in those areas since mr bias has raised it tell us about the sports authority incident when you went to check on your daughter's work situation what happened when i arrived at sports authority i went inside and was met with a younger gentleman at one of the cashier areas and i introduced myself i said i'm i'm george anthony i'm casey's father it's casey here and the gentleman said i who's casey and i said casey anthony and i'd give her a brief description system it's not the truth of the matter asserted it's simply to establish mr bias she didn't hear your objection now based upon what the gentleman told you what did you do i got a little concerned and i asked to see the manager and did you have additional conversations with him just telling me what they were did you have additional conversations with him i had more conversation with the manager and found out that my don't tell me what they said now after that conversation did you what did you do knowing that casey was not there i got in my car and left at some point did you address this issue with either your wife or your daughter or both first time i addressed it with my wife cindy all right and tell us about that conversation it was not the best conversation to have with cindy at the time because of feeling that i was invading casey's uh privacy to a point following her just should have just left it go and not was your been been the detective of the house and look to go find what was going on was your detective work well well received by your wife that was not it was not did it create additional strife in a relationship that you were trying to repair slightly but we work through it did you address this with casey as well i don't remember if i really addressed it immediately or if it was a short period time after we just had a brief discussion i mean i don't think it was anything of anything that was that bad i just you just let it go just let it go now can you tell us when in relation to the last time you saw kaylee this would have been what the same year the year before can you give us a general idea the last time i said i saw my granddaughter kaylee was june 16 2008. i mean the the the sports authority incident when i was 14 i'm sorry yeah i believe was towards the end of 2007 could have been early part of 2008 i'm not really sure of that generality of the time but i know it wasn't that all that long ago now let's talk about mr kelly the attorney that council asked you about had he done some work for you in the past he was my workers comp attorney when i had a couple different injuries he took care of that for me and how long how far back was that that he was worked as your attorney how far back was it that he actually worked as your attorney uh he helped me two different occasions one time was in uh i believe was 1995 1996 and again in the uh early part of 2000 i'm just subsequent to that had your relationship with mr kelly changed from lawyer client to something more personal well we've we've been just great friends for nearly 20 years and and do you did you and cindy uh socialize with his family did your kids socialize together was it that kind of relationship we've we've been out to dinner a couple different occasions been to his home and shared a meal at his home with his him his family and when you had him come to your house the day i guess the next the day after you found out kaylee was missing um was was he there more as a friend or more as a legal adviser friend but also legal i mean it was a combination of both because cindy and i didn't know where to turn except to turn to someone that we considered our friend and had legal knowledge so we were reaching out to just get some help how would you describe your emotional state on that day the six the 16th of july the day after everything was revealed in the day that how were you feeling what were your emotions then i believe this is the date that council's referrals just tell us that very um very tired very edgy hadn't had nothing to eat or drink since um probably earlier that the day prior to that you talk about running on fumes i mean you're just you're going in so many different directions it's it's hard just to just to sit down and just concentrate on one particular thing because your whole main objective is to find your missing granddaughter that's whatever it took i mean we were to say how exactly i felt that day i i i do know that we were just devastated look for the questions okay made a witness uh stand down yes okay thank you mr afternoon you may resume your seat okay we'll take care of it thank you mr anthony okay ladies and gentlemen the jury time is now uh seven minutes to the hour five we will recess for uh the evening again please remember all of my previous admonitions do not watch listen or read any news accounts of this case do not discuss this case among yourselves nor with anyone else and please remember my earlier instructions dealing with social media and people contacting you including your loved ones when you talk to them this uh any additional instructions from the state or the defense okay members of the jury you may be excused we'll see you tomorrow again at 9am you may be seated okay folks we will start at 9 00 a.m but a couple of housekeeping things if there are matters you need to bring up please let the court deputy know by 8 15 and we will take those matters up at 20 minutes to the hour of nine see uh corporal there and he knows how to contact me other than that we will start off at 9 a.m again if there are matters you need to take up then we will take up those matters at 20 minutes till the hour of nine anything else before we recess for the evening on behalf of the state or the defense okay we've been recessed you

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Published: Fri Mar 22 2013