Buying breast implants: Hidden camera investigation (Marketplace)

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Are we not gonna talk about the social pressure to have MILK BAGS of a certain type this so glaringly exposes? But nah, it's all the individual woman's fault. She objectifies herself, boo her for consuming mainstream media that make her so insecure about her milk bags that she spends thousands and risks her life.

Fellers, I'm gettin a bit agitated here.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 105 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/ginsengeti πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 19 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

This should get more attention.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 17 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/LibbyLime πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 19 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

I've always wanted to get work done. Nothing insane like breast implants, just one little thing. But since joining this group and seeing some horrid results. I will never get anything done. It isn't worth taking that chance. So I'm perfectly happy with my one little flaw.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 16 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/groovycakes87 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 20 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

those doctors are shit bags but i also feel like its the patients responsibilityto educate themselves on risks and possible complications. it only takes a few google searches to learn about those things. its like if you get scammed. Yes the scammers suck for scammimg u but also. You fell for it lol, ppl just gotta be aware and think about shit before going in head first.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 16 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/alleykattking πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 19 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

are testimonials legal in the US?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/bachbrowser πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 19 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

I wish so badly women could ignore what’s β€œsexy” in the eyes of media. I.E. big butts, big boobs, big lips. They could save themselves health issues by not choosing these things ☹️ I’m guilty as well, I want these things. But I swear every day I grow to love myself a little more by recognizing I’m so fortunate to have a healthy body that allows me to move and work and create. Idk I probably sound like a hippie πŸ˜… I just wish women spent money on growing self esteem (counseling, gym, hobbies, etc) rather than spending money on tricking themselves, and aggravating body dysmorphia issues.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/xiouxie77 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 23 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Toronto?!? Ugh, I feel betrayed as a fellow GTA neighbour!!

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/beribee πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Mar 23 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies
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β™ͺ β™ͺ -[ Makda ] We're booking appointments with three popular doctors in Toronto. -[ Makda ] But we're not patients. We're journalists with hidden cameras. -Are you guys ready? -Yes. Investigating what plastic surgeons tell potential patients about the most common cosmetic surgery in the world... Breast augmentation. I started off with nothing, like absolutely nothing. Like I didn't have-- I couldn't fill even an "A" bra, like nothing, and I was bullied a lot. -[ Makda ] Nikki Carruthers is one of ten million with breast implants worldwide and the numbers are going up. Maybe I'll get bigger boobs, so I did. -[ Makda ] It's over a $1 billion industry, fuelled by celebrities like Iggy Azalea going public about how they got their curves. I love them, and I'm super happy. I would do it again in a heartbeat. It wasn't just one, there's dozens and dozens. Like all the celebrities like Kendra Wilkinson, um Holly, like all those shows that you watch, like every single person had implants. They're everywhere. That's all I was looking at for years. -[ Makda ] Five years ago when she was 23, Nikki visited a private clinic in Winnipeg and paid $6,300 for her silicone implants going from a 32AA to a 32DDD. But about a year ago, Nikki began feeling sicker and sicker without knowing why. So talk me through the list of symptoms that you've been experiencing. Okay, so liver tumor, I have a cyst on my spleen, the H-pylori, the gastritis which is from the H-pylori. The ulcer disease, the acid reflux, the heartburn, bleeding for three months. Vomiting uncontrollably for an entire month. This sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, like I'm only halfway done the list. -[ Makda ] She felt all alone until she finds this community online. It's unexplainable how much better I felt being there because I felt like, okay, I'm not losing my mind. I'm not an insane person. All these people are going through the same thing. Some people worse. -[ Makda ] A support group, over 50,000 strong, dealing with ailments they call breast implant illness or syndrome. These women are medical orphans. -[ Makda ] Dr Feng is a breast implant expert. She used to put them in. Now women from all over the world fly to her Ohio clinic to take them out. The capsule is the scar tissue. -[ Makda ] It's become her specialty, explanting implants. Some people don't even know that this could happen, that this constellation of symptoms and signs are related to the implants. There's no recognition of that in the scientific community. -[ Makda ] But are all adverse symptoms caused by breast implants? Yes, yes. I'm pretty sure because those are the things that get better when you take out the implant and the capsules completely. -[ Makda ] The FDA says there's no evidence the illness exists, but they are not ruling out an association between these symptoms and breast implants, arguing more studies are needed. I never thought that it was the breast implants that were making me sick. -[ Makda ] And around the world, women are speaking out. Why are all these weird things happening to my body? Hair loss, vertigo, shooting pains in my breasts. Get these out of my body, like I don't want to feel sick again. -[ Makda ] Reporting other side effects they feel are linked to their implants. Every single thing, it just felt like torture for my chest. -[ Makda ] Pain, rupture, multiple surgery. Apparently my breast implant popped. -[ Makda ] Many say they had no idea what they were really buying in to. If I had known this was even a 0.1% chance, never would have done it. It was made to seem like getting a haircut. Like go get a haircut. Who cares? Like, everyone was doing it. Wasn't a big deal, didn't seem like a big deal at all. -[ Makda ] No big deal? It's major surgery and it's the doctor's job to ensure patients know all the risks. And that's why we're visiting clinics to find out how are they selling implants. We picked three Toronto surgeons who have a presence online... Dr Kara. Hi, everybody, I'm Dr Kara. -[ Makda ] Dr Rice. They just want to feel good about themselves. -[ Makda ] And Dr Jugenberg. There's always options. -[ Makda ] First up, Dr Kara. It is the latest, fast, and greatest implant ever made. -[ Makda ] He has an office in this Toronto building. Watching with us, Kerry Bowman, University of Toronto bioethicist. He evaluates doctors' ethical conduct including how they communicate risks to patients. Kara's big sell online? 24-hour recovery. You don't need to understand, that's what he said. You don't need to understand, we do this all the time. I mean, I can-- yeah, and that would worry me because you do need to understand. You really, really do need to understand. It's ethical. It's also the law. -[ Makda ] Next, we asked, when is the soonest we can get in to surgery? We hear 24 hours, four days, and then a few weeks. So what are the rules? There is no script plastic surgeons are supposed to follow. Ontario's College of Physicians and Surgeons says, patients need appropriate time and information to make informed choices. It's all about consent. And, you know, consent is not your signature on a piece of paper. Consent is the process you see. Have I answered all of your questions? Do you fully understand and appreciate? -[ Makda ] Next, we get our consent forms. We get them right away from Dr Rice. -[ Makda ] Bowman says that's exactly what should happen. Same at Dr Kara's clinic. -[ Makda ] But at Dr Jugenberg's, there seems to be a price to pay. Well, it's not good. Consent forms should be available on request and I would argue even before request. I'm not seeing any reason why they couldn't be made available online in advance. -[ Makda ] But after asking repeatedly... -[ Makda ] We get the forms without paying $2,000. When we asked Dr Jugenberg about why we were initially asked to pay for consent forms, he said that shouldn't have happened. It was a misunderstanding and in the future, he'll make sure there's no confusion. Consent forms can scare people. They can say this could happen. There could be an infection, there could be this, there could be-- and there's risks with all surgery, but that's no reason to hold back on them. -[ Makda ] Most breast implant surgery is cosmetic. 90 per cent is done on women who don't need it for medical reasons. So how many of them are developing serious side effects? No one really knows because the government admits there is a chronic underreporting problem. Even so, we do know in 2018, there were 359 reported incidents related to breast implants. The most ever reported to Health Canada in just one year. It's a society that desires big breasts. It's the patient who, uh, want to have... want to have bigger breasts to feel that they are somebody, somebody worthwhile. It's the surgeons that want to do it and makes a living doing it. It's a matter of demand. -[ Makda ] Nikki's problems became too much to bear. Despite no clear diagnosis, she believes it's her implants that are making her sick, so she decides to get them removed. How are you feeling? I'm terrified. I'm really scared, but it has to be done. So I'm excited but also terrified, scared. I just have to hope I make it through the surgery and hopefully this will help. -[ Makda ] That afternoon, with our help, she takes home her implants. Ready to take a look? Whoa. It's like exploded gel! Everyone kept telling me I'm crazy and it's like, obviously I'm not! [sniffles] -[ Makda ] What you don't know about breast implants... Undercover at three Toronto clinics, investigating how breast implants are sold. Nikki's implants are now in the hands of our expert. Meet chemist Pierre Blais. He has a business analyzing implants. For 50 years, he's examined over 15,000, warning people and governments of their potential dangers. It's an implant which has a very high probability of being mechanically faulty. These are Nikki's implants. -[ Makda ] Is that a normal looking implant? No, that is not a normal looking implant. I look at it. I see it's turbid. It's kind of milky. It shouldn't be. -[ Makda ] What does that tell you? It tells me the inside has picked up liquid from the patient. It's absorbed part of her. Now, this represents probably about half of the implants we get. Now, the right side is the one that has a harder life. -[ Makda ] That looks nothing like the other implant. Nikki's doctor acknowledges there was a hole in the implant but tells us it looks like this because of the explant surgery. Blais has another theory. It broke in to four parts, but it didn't occur at the same time. It started out at one place, and as she moved and somehow did her daily activity like writing or exercising, the break gradually spread. -[ Makda ] Really? When you look at the instructions for use for a product like this and all the competitors, it says "A rupture may happen." It's not really right. They should say, "A rupture will happen." It depends how long you have it. -[ Makda ] Breast implant manufacturers say many studies over many years prove their products are safe, but Blais feels his experience examining thousands of implants proves otherwise. You're saying every implant will rupture at some point? Yeah, those that don't are exceptions. -[ Makda ] So are you saying if women get breast implants, they should expect a revolving door of surgeries? Yes. A lifestyle. Not a episode. -[ Makda ] We want to ask our surgeons about how long implants will last, but first, we check out their websites. Here's Dr Kara's. Well, I see very glamorous images of idealized kinds of women as opposed to here's a medical intervention that we can offer you. -[ Makda ] Dr Rice's site has a different feel. Dr Rice would certainly come closest because his website and he himself is really saying with evidence base, he's talking evidence and I think that's a really, really good thing. -[ Makda ] And the risks are easy to find. It even says there will come a point in time that the implant will need to be replaced, and at Dr Rice's clinic, his nurse seems to have a different message. -[ Makda ] It's true, there's no expiry date, but the FDA says up to 20% will need to get their implants removed within eight to ten years. On Dr Kara's website, under myths, it says you don't need to change your implants every ten years. But in person, a mixed message. -[ Makda ] They don't spread around your body? But the FDA states, once the implant breaks, silicone gel can migrate to other parts of the body, and it's hard to remove. On Dr Jugenberg's website it lists breast implant rupture as a risk, but then on its YouTube channel... We're going to be testing people around Toronto to see who can rupture it. -We promise you it will not break. -[ Makda ] Check out this video featuring his staff... Seems like implants are indestructible. Confused yet? Even in person, it's not clear cut. -[ Makda ] Forever? Not according to the FDA and Health Canada. They state breast implants are not lifetime devices. The longer you have implants, the more likely complications will occur. And when we continue asking about long-term risks, some mention breast implant illness. At Dr Jugenberg's clinic... -[ Makda ] Breast implant illness is not mentioned on Dr Rice's website, and doesn't come up in person, when we ask about long-term risks. On Dr Kara's website, under myths, it says there's no link between breast implants and autoimmune diseases. Many researchers agree. They dismiss any link, and so does his nurse. -[ Makda ] Different messages, reflective of the debate about whether breast implant illness is real and whether doctors need to warn patients. An implant does not leave you unscratched. It's a permanent change to your anatomy and a permanent change to your physiology. But that should be made clear to a patient. -[ Makda ] The implant files continue on your "Marketplace." Breast implants. I'm really happy with the way they are. -[ Makda ] On the market for over 50 years. If you are a true woman, you want to look your best. -[ Makda ] And the risks? I don't feel I'm at risk at all, no. It's safe. 100% safe. I have a new pair of titties! -[ Makda ] Today, many people get the sales pitch online. This is what they look like 48 hours after my surgery. -[ Makda ] They're called testimonials and some show up on surgeons' websites. That's Dr Jugenberg with one of his happy patients. I got my titties done! I got my titties done! Hey, I got my titties done! Oh, I got my titties done! -[ Makda ] And on Dr Rice's website, there's a glowing video review from a Toronto radio host. I would definitely recommend Dr Rice. -[ Makda ] And you probably noticed these. Before and after photos. Ontario's College of Physicians and Surgeons calls photos like these testimonials, same as these videos of patient experiences. After the surgery was done, I was elated. -[ Makda ] And here's the thing, testimonials are against the rules. Doctors aren't supposed to use them in ads, on their website, or on social media. What is the problem with testimonials? Because you may find patients out there who say it gives them more information about what this process could be like. It may, but testimonials get mixed up with clinical outcomes. So it's not a controlled clinical study. You don't know how people were selected for testimonials, and in many, but not all cases, they are selected because they're going to say positive things. -[ Makda ] Bowman argues testimonials belong in marketing. They have no place in medicine. Because of the impact they can have on patients like Nikki. You see all these people how happy they are and you're like, I just want to be like that person. So, I dunno, you keep shoving it in your face forever, it's like, okay, it's obviously safe, why wouldn't I do it? -[ Makda ] In 2017, the college cautioned Dr Kara for using before and after photos in a magazine, but they're still on his website. And for Dr Jugenberg, the allegations get more serious. He's charged with posting images of a patient online without her permission and pressuring her to follow and contribute to his social media accounts. Dr Jugenberg denies all allegations. His hearing with the college is still pending. We asked all three surgeons to come on camera, but they decline. Overall, our bioethicist believes Dr Rice had the most medical approach. Bottom line? Mixed messages on all our visits and on the websites. And mixed messages from the Ontario College. There are no clear rules about how plastic surgeons are supposed to communicate risks to patients, and they tell us doctors could be penalized for using testimonials, but are they really cracking down? Those ads are everywhere. I'm thrilled. For people to see me and say, wow, you look amazing. -[ Makda ] For many, breast implants were the right choice. For others like Nikki... If I heard one thing saying hey, your whole entire body is going to not work anymore, like, no way I would have done it, but there was nothing like that, nothing. -[ Makda ] If you want to know more about breast implants or any other medical device, check out our database. Our CBC data journalists fought for years to get reports about side effects from medical devices from Health Canada. Get informed. [ β™ͺβ™ͺ ]
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Channel: CBC News
Views: 866,941
Rating: 4.7352219 out of 5
Keywords: breast implants, plastic surgery, plastic surgeon, plastic surgeons, breast implant surgery, implants, medical implants, medical implant, implant files, hidden camera, hidden camera investigation, Marketplace, CBC Marketplace, CBC, CBC News
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Length: 21min 20sec (1280 seconds)
Published: Fri Nov 30 2018
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