Buddhism, AI, The Future, Deep Fakes & Aliens OH MY! w/ Duncan Trussell | Aubrey Marcus Podcast

we are like being scanned but the scan itself is what's giving us our consciousness this is the mind of god everyone talks about the eye of god the i the top of the pyramid on the dollar bill the all-seeing eye the resurrective quality in the universe it's a super intelligence that looks back into time and just the act of looking brings everything back to life that was there uh and anyway nitrous oxide duncan trussell is a comedian psychonaut philosopher and in this conversation we talk about everything in this wild world this spectacularly bizarre future with a.i and siemen powered spaceships and everything that you could possibly imagine we have a lot of fun and cover a lot of interesting topics so i hope you guys enjoy this show with duncan trussell the truth is is that we're all the master we're all the healer we're all the mystic give it up one time for aubry marcus [Music] duncan trestle aubry here we are hello we each have our nicotine delivery devices i'm having a cigar you're having a yours is way cooler than mine cute pink vape yeah it's like it's truly real first of all i have to say this don't vape i i feel bad vaping publicly like i'm embarrassed by it but i'm addicted now uh so i've gone from like making fun of people who vape to becoming one of them and even worse like as punishment from the gods i've become addicted to something called an elf bar oh yeah it's delicious but it definitely looks like i'm smoking lipsticks it tastes like real elves you know i'm gonna guess no like i think elves probably taste like [ __ ] like if i did that yeah i bet they're verdant i bet they're like green i bet it's like a kale salad interesting because they're living in the forest bad news for the poor could be like ayahuasca though that'd be tough i think they probably yeah they probably have some kind of like built-in stink or like acidic awful taste you know like the frogs like you know they're probably like equipped i love that we're trying to like figure out the taste of alps within three seconds we're gonna get you high the elves yeah for sure yeah yeah for sure [Laughter] if an elk was if an elf was a psychedelic what would it what do you think it would be uh it's going to be definitely some combination of like mushrooms and ketamine probably yeah like i like those two i like that disassociative but maybe a little more like of that kind of like mushroom ambient sentient because like an explosion that's it stars meet the trees yeah exactly god help you if you get people high when they eat you it's you're [ __ ] the worst thing to be yeah well people will want you at least to stick around that's one thing about you know like i totally acknowledge all the problems that exist with sources of psychedelic medicine including a boga and ayahuasca and peyote and as there's real issues and and concerns that we have to be aware of but one thing i'm confident in is when humans love something we will [ __ ] make sure that it exists right i mean like we're going to be planting it growing it spreading it cultivating it unless it's the lowly mammoth did we love them though we [ __ ] love the mammoth peop enough to paint them on walls they love the mammoth they you know we also like like consume it to the point of it no longer maybe if we if we crave it too much then we just can't [ __ ] help ourselves exactly i mean i would guess that we live on a planet that's like the i don't know if you've ever gone to sizzler at the end it's been a minute me too yeah a long minute and i will never return but if you ever find yourself hammered at a sizzler when they're about to close and there's just the dregs of the buffet and you don't care you're going to eat it anyway but that might be our planet you know what i mean we're at the end of a night at sizzler just a bunch of people who failed that marshmallow test which was like don't eat this marshmallow yeah for five minutes and we'll give you three marshmallows that's it and then looking at it like ah [ __ ] it marshmallow now yeah eat it yeah for sure this planet probably produced all kinds of things like massive cubes of psychedelic chocolate it probably would like rain coffee you know what i mean it's all gone we [ __ ] it all up ah yeah you might be right there now we're down to what lettuce we've got carrots infinite amounts of those just all this [ __ ] nobody really wanted to eat they'll do i mean we'll do it by the way carrots are great i don't mean they're not carrots some people hate cooked carrots that's like something i've found out like cooked carrots [ __ ] people up really yeah i don't know why i think a good cooked carrot is nice little balsamic glaze nothing wrong with that well because they don't know that you can put stuff in it like this is these are people who like just threw it in boiling the worst [ __ ] water soft they don't know it's like a medium for anything you want to put in it probably that's my guess not as good as an elf well you know yeah i'm gonna guess i don't know they're all gone no more [ __ ] elves they ran away except now except now they're in bars oh god i deserve any roasting i get for this thing so duncan we're talking a little bit about the wild times that are coming ahead what do you think man do you think it's going to be kind of chill and we're all just being rapturists and worried about everything or you think it's going to get real squirrely or real dark or some combination between um you know i i i think this is probably like a cheap way out of answering your question because you know especially on podcasts a prophecy is always gonna backfire on your [ __ ] ass no matter what right someone's like if i say you know aubry i think things are gonna take a turn for the better even though like fear has like seeped into so many of us via the news and all that we we consume things are going to take a turn for the better and we're going to find a way to be harmonious and use technology in a positive way they'll take that and then they'll put it over nuclear bombs going off in new york you know what i mean you look like an [ __ ] yeah on the other hand if you go the other way and you're like ah you know one percent of the human population is going to have control over armies of robot dogs with machine guns on their backs and they're going to dominate the entire planet then they're going to show like the infinite music festival that starts when the stars align and be like look were so scared that wasn't really going to happen so like i think uh to me it all comes down to like and this is the cheap one your your own projections right because i have been an apocalypse i have experienced an apocalypse uh just by eating too much weed and being around the wrong people right there didn't it didn't require any kind of like uh chaos or earthquakes or fires or famine just my own subjective uh uh configuration can produce an apocalypse around me regardless of external circumstance so i imagine the that the trick would be to like make it so that you aren't apocalyp apocalypsizing what's the apocalyzing don't apocalyze yourself if you could help i mean apocalype yourself in the true sense of the word the lifting of the veil allow yourself to be true and real but maybe don't like go all day long thinking about like dateline episodes and looking around imagining i think so first of all i don't think that's a cheap way out i think that's a very insightful way out because i think like genuinely all of this talk about the multiverse we think about it like an externalized universe that's separately created by something else other than us but really we're walking around in a multiverse now where we're in a universe of our own [ __ ] story where every everything we think see perceive is slightly different than another person right who thinks perceives something similar but it's not right you know so like we're in this co-created multiverse which we can call the universe the one verse and potentially there are other whole entire universes but we we have a multiverse that we're participating in which is our own psychic frame our own purview into reality right like that is for sure yes for sure yeah like everybody at the airport that's you're looking at just different universes yeah hanging out together exactly everyone and you look at that and you think to yourself oh that could have been me you know or you watched the john wayne gacy documentary and you think i could have been john wayne gacy like a few wrong turns a few like bad experiences some [ __ ] goes wrong up here who knows a micro stroke here and there the next thing you know you're climb out of your [ __ ] basement after burying somebody you strangled down there we could be anything you can be i don't think people like that idea people hate that idea this isn't something that's been i've been on this this trip for a while and a lot of my psychedelic medicine journeys have been pointing me to this it's the full breadth of our human polarity like right we are all the dark and all the light in latent possibility yeah now what we choose to express is going to be some point of identification on that polar spectrum from all the way good call it yeshua on one side call it satan on the other side but we're the entire breadth of all of that and we just choose where we're at and sometimes we're not entirely choosing sometimes our conditioning is steering us but i do believe that we have some choice as to the actions we take in the expressions we make but if we really look close enough we're gonna see all that [ __ ] all the horns and all the angels wings right like the oh like it's it's the idea of thinking itself you know sort of like uh a lot of people me included a long time ago like i used to feel some responsibility for my thoughts so you know like i don't know if you've ever had the thing happen where like all of a sudden you're like wondering like i wonder what the president's [ __ ] looks like you know what i mean like and then you're like why the [ __ ] am i thinking that i mean i have worse honestly this has been like a personal struggle that i haven't talked about but it's what psychologists would call intrusive thoughts yeah where i'll just be sitting around with somebody i love and then i'll think punch punch punch smash smash smash and i'll be like where the [ __ ] did that thought come from yeah you know or like some crazy way in which it almost feels like i'm taking the eraser to a beautiful story and or like grabbing the a piece of art of canvas of my own life and just crumpling it up and burning it aren't all thoughts intrusive in some ways yeah i mean i think sometimes you can intend a track especially when you're able to like get into your mind and set your intention almost like meditating yeah you can intend your way through a track of thought yeah but a lot of times they just appear i've yeah to me it just seems like you kind of pick the thoughts you want to focus on and because it's like i can't make a thought appear like it gets it's a really interesting concept which is thought by the time you are like thinking as we call it really what you're doing is remembering a thought like something that's bubbled out of your brain has instantly been encoded into memory and so you're having a memory of something that your brain just kind of like barfed out and so from that perspective the whole idea of who we are especially if you feel wound up in your thoughts is kind of off in the sense that yeah maybe you can like decide all right i'm gonna think about a rainbow i'm gonna think about a monk turning in to a rainbow but the part of you that decided to think about a monk turning into a rainbow like wherever that came from where did that come from what bubbled up that initial thing that came out is that your own autonomous decision were you down in your subconscious cooking up the next thing you're gonna say no it just appeared so claiming ownership of it is kind of interesting you know it's a it's a it's a curious thing people it's the very least a paradox because there is a there is a possibility that the witness consciousness the i am yeah the i am is i think where free will actually rests in that level of consciousness but there's not a lot of desire from the i am because it's a unified field of im that we're participating in right so the desire to think about anything is not really there but the possibility that you can think about anything i think from that place of of confidence of consciousness and creation i think is is possible but then what you end up thinking about i think is mostly what you're talking about which is conditionally related to things going on in your body i think your body produces a lot of thoughts there you go your body's part of like the biggest thinking apparatus that we have right yeah for sure there's so many weird stories about this like a famous story you've probably heard it have you heard of this uh this guy gets a heart transplant and ends up marrying the person's wife who gave him the heart have you ever heard of that's cool no yeah and and then and i think the creepy part of it and i might be mixing stories here forgive me internet if this is total [ __ ] but i do think i remember like checking it i think like the person's heart i think that person killed themselves also or something so it was like and i think that person killed himself something like that yeah like the like by taking another person's heart into you you sort of take their personality into you or whatever the the thing that we're talking about is like there's neurons in the heart now people are going to be hunting for hearts of really open-hearted [ __ ] awesome people yeah yeah i mean people did i mean like warriors would like eat the heart of their opponent you know they would like eat it so um yeah i mean i do think that a lot of like what we think of as our identity or personality we don't have quite as much choice over as we would like to imagine we and in fact whatever that thing is is so transient anyway that it's probably a little bit like an imaginary friend yeah you sort of want it to exist you you talk to it you have like a sense of it being there but it's not real right how could it be some permanent identity some innate essential self i mean it doesn't seem to be one it seems it feels to me like a russian nesting doll to a certain degree like there's an identity a cap encapsulated in kind of like a super identity like a soul identity and this is only from my own journeying right of what i've experienced the personality self the small self as paul selig would call it right and then there's this kind of larger embodiment of self which seems to transcend the physical body and the limitations and it's felt like i've been able to access that non-specific aubry the aubry that's beyond this aubry but has existed as many different iterations of aubrey's that carried many different names right but still has a unique identity and then there's the absolute obliteration that goes all the way to the unified field with the divine like on a five meow journey or certain other different medicine journeys where you completely dissolve into the one or the zero the everything or the nothing which they have subtle distinctions but nonetheless it's still a unified field and so i think it's like it's very interesting to think about our identity but i think of it like nesting dolls within the dimensional existence that we have right yeah the nesting dolls yeah i thought that's interesting the uh so in buddhism this distinction gets drawn between absolute reality and relative reality and so um relative reality that's what we're in right now i want coffee i'm smoking a [ __ ] embarrassing vape you know what i mean like i i i i i've got a jug of water as i try because i want to stay hydrated because if i don't i just dry up and feel like [ __ ] so like that's relative reality it's certainly here it's definitely here absolute reality which is what you're talking about the whatever you want to call it the totality of all things the sum total of whatever may be the ever expanding circumference of consciousness that like there's a million names for the damn thing uh so absolute reality is known as eternalism in the extreme so with absolute reality it's really funny like you you run into this concept of unchanging whatever so in other words absolute reality implicit within that idea is that absolute reality must go on forever must not stop it has to go on forever it's permanent so you've applied that's why it's called eternalism eternally permanent how could it not be incomprehensible that all that is could cease to be that it wouldn't exist that it's just gone somehow by some who knows how or where it goes or what because then it's changing and then it's not eternal and then it's like paul selig said that which is true is always true right and that's that's a form of eternalism so now on the other side where with relative reality and it's extreme it becomes nihilism now you get hyper materialism the idea that like you know this isn't really we're just you know you've heard a million different versions of this thing but it's like we're just molecules man temporarily coming together we're nothing really man you think you're something but you're not there's nothing there you're just space trash that woke up for a second you're gonna die and that's it some version of that so that's uh nihilism and so between eternalism and nihilism this is us this is where this is why buddhism is called the middle way it's the place where you find a way to hold both of those realities and that's uh some people call that the joining of heaven and earth it's the idea of like somehow these two things coexist simultaneously somehow nothingness and everythingness which is what you were talking about they're hanging out together they're playing games with each other they're [ __ ] and fighting and trying to you know what i mean trying to work it out it's like a never-ending debate love affair marriage divorce love affair war it's it just goes on and on and on and on forever and that's the leela that they talk about or like the eternal game whatever you want yeah the polarity that creates the energy of creation itself like you need that in a battery positive and negative you need the polarity and you need those things to be attracted to each other and repel from each other and that's part of this substrate of life itself so i've been studying deep wisdom of solomon kabulis lineage with my teacher mark gaffney and it's really painted this interesting you know kind of divine pantheon and they have this idea of a kind of a deity force called shakina which is like the also known as eros or like the the kind of the goddess divine but really when you bore down into it especially gaffney's interpretation it's a little bit like the dao you know as they talk about the dao as being older than god and that's like a really interesting concept older than god so it's basically like the law except the dao is kind of like more of a neutral it's more of a neutral void that contains the way the tao the law but shakina is more of it's the same thing it contains the way the tao the law but it's this loving energy of both allurement and repulsion and you know so both of those different things or the desire for autonomy is actually um more precise than repulsion so instead of thinking about just pushing something away it's like the desire to individuate and then the desire to come together oh yeah both of those two things are contained within shakina this force that they've they've called like the goddess and then there's then there's elohim which is like the supernova energy of the light traveling through the universe so it's just looking at the divine in another way and then there's you know there's yahweh there's all kinds of different ways that you can think about it but really what i found in my last journey with el dragon which you were thinking about coming too you always invite me i i ask if you'll invite me then because you have you're very nice and generous you'll say come and then i'm always like i can't man speaking of a dumb game between light and dark we'll just keep going with it though okay we'll just keep going with it okay but yeah so in this what i saw what the what the medicine showed me is that this thing you can call it the dao if you prefer that kind of the colder idea of it or shakina if you prefer the warmer kind of more divine goddess embodiment of it this is the substrate the womb that births god za so and that we are participating in a god that's now in all of its manifestation differentiation articulation but it's a god that's birthed out of this substrate but it's just one of many other gods right this is not the first time the medicine has shown me this which is a [ __ ] mind-blowing thing that there's not just god there's many gods but that requires that there to be some kind of link between them which is shakina or the dao which is like the law that exists as a substrate connecting all of them yeah so there's like you could call that like the super god and then maybe there's more [ __ ] super gods i don't know like it could fractal all the way up all the way down god's all the way up well this is actually like it um i'm sorry if i keep going in buddhism freaking buddhist nerd in buddhism i hate that but it's what i mean i do the same thing i just talk about psychedelics it's what i mean it's a symbol set you know whatever you know it's like i might as well be like in the wolverine comic 489 wolverine said it's embarrassing um so you have this thing called the wheel of life or the the wheel of samsara there's different names for it in buddhism it's a mandala that represents the essentially the cycle of incarnation so you've got the realm the human realm that's what we're in right now uh and that's considered to be the most desired birth now that is a very human thing to say isn't it of course humans are like this is the most desired birth because this is what we do or human centric but the reason they say it's the most desired birth is because the the if you if you go this way on the wheel you're gonna end up in the realm of the gods there's actually two distinctions in the realm of the gods there is uh the realm of the gods and then as this thing keeps going and it's kind of a map of entropy really in both directions like if you in the human realm if you do good things if you're generous if you're if you help if you're not a selfish piece of [ __ ] then you accrue this kind of momentum you know you know what it is it's like the more that you're like helping the more you're not self-centered the better you feel the better you feel the more you help it produces and the more you feel you deserve good things from the universe that's like one of the mechanisms that i think people underestimate is you do good [ __ ] and it's like the universe does good [ __ ] for you yeah because you feel you deserve it and your conversation with the universe is like here i'm ready there you go that's in in the in and so in buddhism this is called merit so you're accumulating this like whatever you want to call it you know i could think of a million arguments for okay what is the marriage where is it stored what is it like bitcoin are you talking about some kind of metaphysical bitcoin you invest in it's a little bit uh market economy language or whatever but probably uh experientially anyone who has done is like gone through a period of going from selfishness to non-selfishness you know the immediate relief that comes the moment you stop being so self-centered like you it's like oh my god like my my back was itching and to try to like fix that i've been like scratching my leg and suddenly like oh [ __ ] i'll scratch my back it feels so much better it's like if you're selfish you've been trying to deal with your own suffering by helping yourself make sense you're a self you're hurting let me you know self care myself and to a big lotioned up puddle of massaged meat and still i feel like [ __ ] but the moment you're like cooking dinner for people giving things to people asking people if they need help any even just with your pets spending more time with your pets all of a sudden you start feeling this weird point like lightness so that lightness is merit and that lightness leads in this realm to a lot of great things and this is all the manifestation people all the like schools of thought regarding like you can have anything you want and but you know in all those schools of thought you can have anything you want the way they tell you to do that is not by being a selfish [ __ ] right they're not like if you want success in this world just fixate on you alone and you're going to be great inevitably there's some idea of helping of letting go of your identity and then you can get a bunch of stuff in this world and you will become the less you care about it the more you'll get that yeah exactly so this doesn't stop when you die from this world view this actually continues and so when you die if you have all this merit then that momentum continues and you can find yourself in the realm of the gods now your lifespan is infinitely longer than your current lifespan here and you will be all the things that you've experienced in this world as far as having what you want or thinking about something and there it is and all the things that we associate with wealth or like the the global elite or whatever it just keeps going and so now you're a god and this is why in buddhism they say the human realm is the best realm because as a god experiencing whatever the [ __ ] that is and we probably can't even imagine it like but it's so overwhelmingly blissful everything's incredible everything's wonderful you forget all the human [ __ ] all the suffering all the stuff all the lessons that you learn here in the human realm it's all gone now you're in the realm of the gods fully absorbed in whatever that is but it's boring well there you go and now the wheel continues to turn now we start having the merit begins to uh fall away just get that flickering thought like what does that [ __ ] smell like i think god's actually looks let me get down in there and bury myself in the perfumed garden of a beautiful lover either sex the dice i would say gods do eat ass yes like if i'm in vegas i'm that for sure gods eat ass so the the gods um what what happens actually is either that that sort of thinking comes in or more likely the thought comes into your head like i don't know if i'm going to be a god forever like i feel like things are changing i feel like whatever this thing is is going to go away it's the moment that flickers in the mind of a very wealthy person when they start getting like very like really freaked out by their wealth instead of enjoying it they're like trying to like hold on to it as tightly as they can they they get worried it's going to go away people are robbing me this won't last oh [ __ ] and so the thing that got them there assuming it wasn't you know some nefarious act the the the thing that got them to that point they stopped that behavior pattern and now they're not generous anymore now they're not being kind now they're self-absorbed again entropy kicks in now we start going into the realm of the jealous gods this is where the gods start fighting and this is like in a lot of world mythologies gods are always [ __ ] fighting battling each other they're always at odds with each other this is the realm of the jealous gods and so jealous gods uh they because they're fighting and because they're like becoming increasingly more self-absorbed now they will fall down into the animal realm so it goes from being like i'm a generous human to holy [ __ ] i'm a god to [ __ ] i want to stay god forever i'm gonna have to fight the other gods over resources to oh [ __ ] i'm a dog i'm a dog now i really am sniffing [ __ ] all day long and then then then that continues that momentum can continue down and again this doesn't necessarily mean because you're a dog you will end up in the hell realms but now things start gaining even more mass the possibility for change or liberation it becomes increasingly impossible because like dogs are purely instinct mostly or most in things in the animal realm you know my poodle there's a noise outside it's like you know when i see light i'll sneeze when my poodle hears anything it shriek barks runs around the house freaking out it's not thinking i don't know if i should bark it seems to be waking the babies up and every time i do it the the lady yells at me it just barks and then so this gets you into the hell realms you keep going down in the hell realms it's like the realm of the gods much longer lifespan but you're in [ __ ] boiling oil or frozen and ice crystallized down and somewhere in there maybe you start remembering i don't think it's all about me and then human birth again and then this podcast like every other one whether i mention it or not is brought to you by on it alpha brain black label now it's brought to you by on an alpha brain black label one because this was the company that i helped create and a formula which i worked with some of the top experts in the world to build which has become the flagship nootropic all across the country and many parts of the world but it's also brought to you by it because i take it every single time i do a podcast i don't miss a podcast without taking black label now it used to be alpha brain back in the day but since black label came on the market it just provides this crystalline focus where i'm able to drop in really connect with the guests have access to information stories words it creates this kind of flow state and whether i'm writing or podcasting or reading taking notes whatever i'm doing alpha brain black label is my ride or die homie so click the link on the screen if you're interested in checking it out or go to onit.com aubry for 10 off alpha brain black label and all other on it supplements and products and this is such a great metaphor i mean you can take that literally or you can take it as a metaphor of this constant battle that we have in our psyche behind behind for the the gods that we hold of all of our ideas and all of the different ways in which our psyche can manifest all of these things and sometimes where we can be that automatonic drone just going about our own selfish solipsistic way or we can be this truly open-hearted you know being that's embodying divine consciousness god consciousness and that would be what the the wisdom of solomon is trying to share is that all of us have access to unmediated antic identity with the divine as us living as our sacred name in this existence so there's this belief that there's more god to come and the more god to come is us as we step into our divine nature and get to have contact yeah with the divine as the divine is seeing through us and so all of this that you mentioned is the psychodrama which was really kind of hermetic wisdom all is mine the universe is mental so it's this whole psychodrama of the way that we can move through heaven and hell in our own psyche there you go i knew you were a buddhist and that now i can yeah that and there's my teacher david nichten wrote a great book called awakening from the daydream it's about that it's about you know uh looking at it in the way you just described like you can go through all the [ __ ] realms in one day like you know and it's exactly as you described it and and yeah if you want to take it literally sure go ahead but you know you don't have to worry about any of that stuff till you die but right now you can just look at the way you're living and figure out if you're in a hell realm if you're a god if you're a jealous god how do you find yourself because sometimes i feel the happiest when i care the most what i i've been on this deep quest and in the lineage i think it's been guiding me this way because one of the biggest teachings is a process called berur which is the clarification of your desire until you can clarify your desires so that your desire becomes identical with god's desire and you get in this loop where you're saying what do i want yeah and you say i want what god wants and then you listen to god and god says i want what you want and then at that point you start to merge your own desire with the divine desire and that's when you've reached i think they call it retson hashem like that state of divine consciousness and you're in the kingdom or olam you know which which is the old language that they called it this place where you're actually seeing the world from that different divine perspective right but so the process of berur this clarification of my desire what i've ultimately realized is that what i want is to want and what i want is to want and what i want is to care like i really want to care and when i don't when i'm not happy it's somehow i don't care as much as i did before like when i really care about the world yeah in the best way that i'm [ __ ] motivated then i want to write i want to do poetry i want to write books i want to do podcasts but when i just lose a little bit of that care i'm like [ __ ] it like how much ketamine do i have like what do i want to do because i don't care and so like for me caring and finding the ways to care is the most important thing and of course there's your immediate family wife it's easy to care about i'm sure kids and i know that's one of the things i'm looking forward to with kids it's going to really make me care but yeah but for you like caring like what makes you care the most do you have a trick and this is part of the it's a kind of a requisite for service to others you got to care yeah the most and and it for me it's it toggles where i'll care a lot and then i'll care a little bit less and and be a little more selfish yeah like do you have a practice that drives you into deeper care no i mean i don't think i i don't think it would be like honest to say that i have a practice that does that but i do have a practice that has taught me not to freak out too much when i'm in the not caring states you know because or a way of looking at the sort of um penduluming in between those two places which uh a lot of times get associated with the head and the heart yeah totally the heads are the thinking robot thing and the heart is just pure love pure caring it's the child consciousness it's the you know thing jesus said uh you have to become like a child to enter into the kingdom of heaven so but uh because uh i am a neurotic uh i'm a very neurotic uptight person you know i i i i'm not always in my heart and and a lot of times i'm way up in my [ __ ] head pure robot mode and if i start feeling like oh my god i'm numb i'm not caring i don't feel anything right now i don't care then that doesn't do anything to get me out of the headspace it only amplifies it because it's like you know the old saying a broken machine cannot fix itself so once you get up in your head you try to think your way out of your head you can't solve a problem on the same level it was created yeah so now you're just burrowing deeper into your [ __ ] head and you're by the way the your thought process and all that stuff it loves it because it's like oh [ __ ] let's fix this problem and it's like someone like the opposite of someone who gets you out of a maze i don't know if that's a job by the way is there is that a job that helps you get lost maze guy it's like someone who's like yeah it takes you deeper into the make a sherpa yeah a reverse shirt yeah yeah it's like okay no i'll get you out of here sure sure yeah okay i think he's like the mad hatter would be like a metaphor for that there you go yeah exactly that's real that's interesting that probably is the archetype for it it's some kind of like trickster lunatic who's like oh yeah so yeah so for me when i do land in those spaces um i just i just remember that every single other time i've ended up there it doesn't last like inevitably like i get back into my heart back into my life back into myself and that way i don't freak out quite as much when i go robot you know i struggle with that i guess a little bit it's almost like the saying oh ye of little faith you know like no matter how many times i've made it through one of these little crucibles when i'm in it or i mean it's kind of scarcity or self-doubt or in this removal from my heart and in my head and not caring you know i'll be like oh [ __ ] here it is i'm i [ __ ] it up i'm broken and and i have a little bit of that faith but not definitely not enough and always when i ask questions about like what you know what do i need more of it's always like more faith like if i'm ever i'm in contact with what i feel like is either my higher self or divine guidance it might all be the very same thing and it's like what what do i need it's always love yourself and have more faith it's like very simple it's a very simple instruction infuriating it's infuriating that [ __ ] is so infuriating because you want it the the the thing in the maze reverse maze sherpa yeah he or they want it to be complex yeah like they don't want it to be like just [ __ ] drink more water go get some sun yeah maybe like it's not a good idea to drink vodka three weeks straight you know what i mean like think very simple and then all of a sudden you you're feeling good again you're in your heart you know and this is the ramdas talks about this as the experience of being lost at sea you're in a raft and all of a sudden the waves lift up just high enough so you see an island and then you go back down and then for a while the island's out of sight and you have to remember no for sure there's an island there there's a place there's a thing that thing is there i know it even though i can't see it and so that that's all you really have to do and is that faith sure i think it's rational too it's just logic yeah sure you know though i do i mean i think it also it is fun to be in the desert to be like completely lost it's almost like a fetish it's almost like a kink yeah yeah well it is i mean that isn't a it's a it's an addiction it's a form of addiction a lot of people like doing that they like intentionally throw themselves from like one realm to the other only because they are enjoying like you know look at naked and afraid these [ __ ] survivalists yeah they get so hardcore about it they don't get paid for naked and afraid you know really hell no if they paid them i think there's all this legal [ __ ] by the way i could be wrong about that but i'm pretty sure you don't get paid there's certainly no like at the end of like being naked in the woods for however long they're out there starving and just full of [ __ ] bug parasites they're just because they're drinking weird [ __ ] water they're eating weird [ __ ] they're always puking and getting sick but no they i think there's like money involved then legally it changes like i don't know i'm not sure about this but they don't care they want the challenge survivalists they want to see if they can get out of the [ __ ] woods if they can be in these situations it gets them high as a [ __ ] kite they love it you know when they're being driven out in the jeep or whatever and they're like yeah yeah yeah they love that [ __ ] so people definitely do the exact same thing spiritually do you think that may be why we're maybe we've co-created these upcoming existential crises and threats because if you look at it you know i know a lot of people who are like deeply into this kind of prepper community kind of it's all going down there's going to be no gas there's going to be no diesel there's going to be no power there's going to be no food there's going to be you know and they're all [ __ ] ready and they got 50 000 rounds of ammo and [ __ ] five years of dehydrated food and all that and look you know like we have a farm and kyle's running it and we got some things that we're organizing it's not like i'm completely removed from this so don't think that i'm talking [ __ ] if that's what you're doing i'm certainly not i'm participating to some degree in that but the one part that i'm not participating in is this sense of hope and glee about the upcoming potential disaster that i can kind of feel from some people like it's almost like you can really tell that they hope that it happens like i hope i never [ __ ] touch that food in my food pantry right like deeply like i'm super happy to throw that [ __ ] away it's probably not delicious anyways probably not you know so it's like there's zero there's zero part of me that's looking forward to it i say that but then again here i am saying what i want is to care right and what would when would i care well [ __ ] i would care if the world really needed me for some reason then i would really care right so so maybe even i'm participating in this thing of we need some [ __ ] to happen things have been too easy for too long we need [ __ ] to go squirrely so that we can ser you know rely on each other come together as a community survive this thing yeah it's like sebastian junger's tribe nobody was happier than when the bombs were falling on london in the blitzkrieg you know even though it was [ __ ] terror and panic they were all together and they had he said that you know what sebastian younger did in his book tribe what's his interview that he interviewed people who survived that experience and asked them what their favorite time of their life was and their favorite time of their life was that period don't you think it was imagine younger was like okay let's go to syria don't you think they'd be like no i'll pass i don't think i want to get bombed again i think i think because that would be some artificial way that it would happen oh they want like they want like i don't think that's even conscious i think they just found themselves in a situation where every englishman they saw was their brother and their sister right i bet people in new york had that experience to a certain degree when the towers fell where every new yorker was their brother was their sister if something fell they were there to pick it up if somebody needed support they were there with food if someone was hungry they gave them a sandwich it opened their hearts to being in this tribal sense of we're all in this together okay which i think is such a deeply satisfying feeling yeah that you don't even remember the other parts which are terrible but it felt so good i know what you're talking about i feel that way yes i know what you're talking it's like uh you know for fun you could imagine obviously this is not happening but just as a thought experiment imagine this like imagine like a they live style dystopian reality where some aliens just have disguise themselves as humans they've set up all over the planet these i don't know technological hypno devices that are blasting out some kind of weird ray that is making people fall into what we call default consensus reality or whatever now the earthquake hits the disaster happens that ray whatever it may be the hypno device it can't function for a second for so for a second whatever the thing the dream that was being projected in your mind by nefarious human eating aliens stops and now you get to feel what you really are what the world really is outside of whatever the particular game of whatever particular state you happen to be in and so yeah people love that because it's they're experiencing reality fundamental goodness who they are and i get it i think that i i think probably uh hopefully we don't need catastrophe to get there and it goes back to your your question how do we care how do we do it and probably it would come from recognizing like this situation of being bombed or this situation of having to survive or this situation of suddenly not knowing if you're gonna be alive tomorrow or your friends are gonna be alive tomorrow is actually what's happening right now it's happening right now there's no bombs dropping but people drop dead every single [ __ ] day people get hit by cars have brain aneurysms get rotten diagnoses at the doctor nothing is certain i mean this is the idea you carry death on your shoulder as a friend that you can to always remind you like [ __ ] this is so fleeting this human experience you know and i guess like some people desperately are desperately afraid of that reality so instead of going into a bomb shelter they go into some kind of subjective mental bomb shelter which is attaching themselves to the ridiculous idea that they're going to live to their lifespan you know those people people who like hear the human lifespan as however many years 70 75 and they're like that's how long i'm gonna live it's like no you don't know that yeah you know and so they are they're always kicking the can down the road for like they're like you know i'll get my [ __ ] together you know closer to like 50 or something like that but right now this is my youth man and it's like kids are [ __ ] dying all the time they're on their dumb motorcycles they're stupid scooters they get hit by cars they get murdered or they just drop dead so you know i guess maybe the bomb the bombs dropping it were like like help them like illustr illustrated the reality of mortality it made it clear and present and i think one of the traps though is is that we can have that experience of interiority with a with a social group or an identity a shared identity but it typically requires an opponent or an enemy that actually creates not true interiority but pseudo interiority because we've placed something outside of us which therefore means that we're on the inside together so like if it's the russians that are our enemy then we're americans but we're only americans as defined as the opponents to the russians in that case or if it's aliens aliens is the good one this is the ultimate fantasy because it brings the whole world together all of humanity comes together if the aliens attack independence day style then it's like [ __ ] our borders [ __ ] whose army is which [ __ ] where the oil or the gas comes from yeah we got aliens to deal with we're all coming together but it would still be a pseudo interiority a feeling that only exists not actually but only exists as defining itself against something that is outside of us yes it's just the biggest thing outside of us that we can imagine so it's like that's what could bring the world together but that may not happen or it may happen because we need it to happen and we're co-creating and co-manifesting some [ __ ] disaster so that we do come together but ideally it comes from the elevation of consciousness and the recognition of our inherent state of inter-being there you go that would be better you're making me think of chuck norris [Laughter] that's a that's a bonus we could just end the podcast here i did it chuck norris i don't know why we did it man but we put on a [ __ ] chuck norris movie what's that famous chuck norris movie where he like goes to rescue prisoners of war what's that called oh wait who's delta force guy yes chuck norris he's in vietnam some of his friends are prisoners of war he tries to go back to the real world he's haunted by his friends who are prisoners of war he can't deal with the fact that his friends are still stuck in these rotten [ __ ] prisoners of war camps right so to connect it to what you're saying you know how do we care what's the caring idea if we're going to buy in to the concept of reincarnation which i do and i don't understand it but if we're going to buy into this concept of like energy cannot be created or destroyed and sentience itself is a form of energy it's been and we've been on this ride for a long long long long time and so because of that i've been your mother aubrey and you have been my mother and um we've everyone has been our mother everyone has been our child everyone has been our lover and friend and everyone has been something really important to us but generally the idea is it's through the mother that we can start to understand like because imagine uh if your mother was in real trouble like if she needed your help if your mother really needed you to do something to to get her out of a burning building or to like help her out of some situation you know a lot of us don't have great relationships with our mother so maybe some people are like [ __ ] that but but uh well it's working for me i can feel it coming already i can feel the sense of like courage and actually my eyes getting watery because it's like i'll [ __ ] do anything that's and so like whatever whatever it [ __ ] takes the question i deflected earlier because i'm i don't like saying things that are theoretical but but in what's known as tibetan buddhism the path to the heart or the way to caring is through the mother and so you remember first your love for your mother and then you connect that to the reality that everyone has been your mother everyone like gave you everything to and the earth is our [ __ ] mother yeah we drink her milk and her water and eat her eat her flesh and breathe her air from her lungs even if you don't have that earthly mother i think sometimes we can get trapped in a shitty relationship with one of our birth parents and say well that's my mom my mom sucks no that was the person who gave birth to you and on one reality yes you can call her your mother yeah but who has nourished you your whole entire life gaia and who will continue to nourish you forever yeah like that's that's a way to always find that connection even if your relationship was strained i think some people have the same like have a of a dysfunctional relationship with the earth so even like thinking about the earth is some kind of like guy in mind or any of that stuff they don't they don't but there is a way like you can't like in buddhism compassion is cultivated yeah so we don't just you don't start off compassionate it's like any other thing like the assumption that everyone's like you you're you're immediately like compassionate is really nuts it's not the case it's something that's like a muscle it has to be cultivated so the practice of that cultivation is known as meta and so it's so it starts with it doesn't have to be your mother fill in the blank it can be any the thing in your life whatever it may be whatever whoever that person may be the animal may be the concept whatever it may be whatever the thing is that makes your eyes start uh tearing up a little bit which by the way when it's when the heart opens tears come this is part of the connection to the heart so the um the uh yeah so the the steps of the thing are number one just we like i have ways in too you know thinking about my children thinking about my wife thinking about my mom who's passed away the this will drop me into my heart immediately now in the old days anytime i came into this [ __ ] i would be like no thanks i'm out you know i would just because i didn't like people associate that initial going in there with um with uh pain or something's gone wrong or i'm weak or i'm vulnerable or any of that stuff and so they run back into their heads which goes back to that cycle you were talking about before the going away and coming back it's actually no different from when you have kids it's the cutest incredible thing as they're individuating they will run away from you and go play and then they'll come back hug you touch your leg run away and go play and then they come back it's the story of the prodigal son the pendulum between running away and coming back it gets longer and longer as the older they get but it's always going away and coming back so similarly you go to the heart and then you like go back into your head and you go to your heart and back and head it's it's non-different but if we can take that thing whatever it may be and then just shift it over a little bit to the point where we recognize even if we can't imagine everyone has been our mother surely you can imagine you have to that everyone has a mother as far as i'm aware we're not in a cyborg society yet there's no [ __ ] clones out there as far as i'm aware everyone has had a mother and everyone's mother no matter what i don't and i know there's a lot of bad moms out there and there's a lot of people in the throes of addiction and madness and whatever but deep down in there they would die for their kids it cros goes across all the animal kingdoms what's the number one rule when you see a baby bear you [ __ ] run you run you go get the [ __ ] out of there go because the mother bear doesn't care if you're like no i just think your kids are cute the mother bear's like i just gotta kill you that's the way it goes i don't know you know this is the law i'm gonna kill you so that's that's across all anyway the point is once you start recognizing that the person you've been bullying the person you've been talking [ __ ] about the person you've been an [ __ ] to remember their mother their mother wants them to be okay their mother doesn't want them to suffer their mother doesn't want you to take petty vengeance on their kid their mother it's a heartbreak to imagine our children being bullied or hurt or having to go through all the [ __ ] you inevitably will so this is how i think you can start caring yeah and uh but again man i like it's uh i'm this is more of a theoretical thing because i don't really do the meta practice at all but i've heard a lot of great lectures on it yeah it makes i mean it makes the most sense and obviously both of us are big fans and you had a personal connection with ram das mind just through his work but you know he says how do you quiet the mind you open the heart how do you open the heart you start loving anything that thing that you can love and expand it and expand it and expand it and expand it and then you open the heart and that's i think where we talked about choice this is where i think we have that modicum of choice to make like we can make a move like that where we can find that thing that we can love which i just felt happen when you started mentioning my mom find that thing we could love and i could consciously go in there when i'm feeling in my head or i'm feeling disconnected like i don't care go in there and start really using that as a lever as a portal to open my heart and then once my heart was open i would care about everything because i would see that love you know as energy that was existent in all things and all beings and then that then opens you up to that higher spiritual plane where as ramadas once again said you love everything not every being but everything yeah because you see that fundamental god spark that you saw in the thing that you loved in everything yeah that's it and then you're there and it's and and this is like i when i was hanging out with ram das i was like so up in my head and i would just be like it's i feel like i can't it's too hard i can't do it and he would get that big smile because when you're around someone like that it helps a lot because you do go into your heart around them you know and like he would just smile and be like it's easy and it really is actually it's a problem as the if you've sort of if you've been out of that space for a long time then you could naturally not want to be there because you know you think oh it's i'm experiencing heartbreak is what people think it's like no you're not that's you're experiencing your heart yeah the thing that's breaking is your [ __ ] ego you're you know i mean that there's there's really no such thing i i think um is actual heartbreak i agree completely but there is definitely a ego shattering experience that happens when you're in there because the ego wants to defend it wants to win it wants to gain it wants to be victorious the heart it just it just loves and that is really embarrassing if you're like a very sophisticated person who's designed like hardcore awesome beautiful hyper-refined defense mechanisms it's like part of your mating ritual or whatever it's like to be all blubbery down in your heart to be in your heart and be just completely incapable of vengeance anymore because you're recognizing everyone's your mama that's not cool dude that's not in the clint eastwood movies no no that's no 44 magnums involved in that story no it's [ __ ] embarrassing it's innately perfectly beautifully embarrassing but the what's you know what's more embarrassing than that like walking around looking around the whole beautiful world like an enemy's about to jump out of the out of the shadows or that you know what i mean or walking around like like some [ __ ] in game of thrones playing the long game planning to show your [ __ ] enemies look what i became you know all that stuff now that if i'm gonna pick embarrassing i would rather take the blubbering you know inside the heart and it doesn't it's actually not blubbering when you get around the people who have like cultivated that it's it's intoxicatingly beautiful it's so beautiful and it's so it's like being around a spaceship or an alien or pure technology it's contagious i recently had an experience with uh guru dev shri shri ravi shankar have you okay have you met him come on man you gonna say that now you know when i said when the heart opens tears come yeah that's his okay i'm gonna tell you something wild okay number one i guess i just admitted that i stole a line from the saint [Laughter] i'm sorry number two because and here's why i'm gonna i gotta i gotta man okay this is embarrassing um so i had him on my podcast and i was not prepared in the sense that like i i i don't know how you can actually prepare for like meeting people like that but that's the real deal he's the real thing yeah and so we're just talking and he's like just being what he is so somewhere towards the end of the conversation i just i'm tearing up yeah but it's not like he's saying everything he's saying is incredible but it's not like some like it's i don't know how to put like it's not like what he's saying is like something i don't think like that was so clever it's like that was so true and expressed with such immaculate yeah like energetic resonance with what he's saying that it becomes the most profound thing you've ever heard yeah not because it's a clever way to use metaphor or something which he is clever but that's not the point and he's funny he's funny too yeah yeah and but the yeah so after the podcast because i do a audio podcast i uh i didn't want to be performative i didn't want to be like during the podcast you're making me cry because it felt cheesy or something again i'm really in my head a lot of the time but at the end of the interview i'm like yeah i'm you know i don't know why i started tearing up but i don't and he goes well he said the my line yeah he goes when the hard open tears come yeah that's so just funny you mentioned him because i was thinking about him when we were chatting just now well it was i mean i think for both of us like it's a it's a profound experience because we talk about these states of consciousness a lot and i think now if i'm not wrong both of us have had two encounters with people who we felt that energy from and we've talked about you know the first one before you've talked about meeting ramdas yeah i've talked about meeting don miguel ruiz yeah and we both shared you know some of this like oh it's just [ __ ] feeling you get you know like every hug is the hug of your long-lost brother that you haven't seen your whole life but now they're there and every sip of wine is like the first glass of wine you've ever had where you can taste the nourishment of the grapes and the rain and the soil and everything coming alive and the sunset's the most beautiful and the words are all directly from the heart like these experiences but then to meet another person that actually is a kind of a big deal because then it's not just one anomaly it's like oh [ __ ] there's like there's lots of people out there who are doing this thing yeah yeah and that was that's what it was for me i was like oh wow all right this is this is like it's possible yeah that's right yeah and yes and and yeah i think that like this is why you do hear all the time like well you it's good to have a teacher it's good to have that encounter just because you do you know it's like i don't know i'm obviously not a martial artist but like i would guess like it's gonna be really hard to learn like jujitsu out of a book yeah without a great performance without anyone to train with or something like that you you need like the example of this is what it looks like or here's the thing and you know wrong you know rom my guru neem kelly baba was ramdas guru and you hear all these stories about like you never met neem crowley bob no just not in your group yeah but um uh but you know you earlier you're saying you know ramdas through his works through his writings and stuff but that's the same and the um you know this is the sort of like before he died he really was like doing a great job of like putting out there like you know this thing my body thing this is just not me like this is just something that is like taking off an old shoe that and he was really getting all of us ready like he was like you know really emphasizing this idea and um yeah so the with neem crowley baba or any of them or what they are it's hyper accessible like it's instantaneously accessible it's just right there but it's nice to see it when it has a body too yeah it's nice to see what it looks like in about a four minute mile it's the you know backflip on the [ __ ] motorbike or whatever it is the thing that was seemed to be impossible that someone does and now it's possible yeah yeah that's the that's the thing that like blows your mind and what's interesting is i feel like i feel like the since knowing that and there's been a lot of different interesting things that have happened this year but my recent psychedelic medicine journeys which again i've mentioned this on the podcast my even though i've done some pro extraordinarily profound ayahuasca journeys with el dragon we got a new documentary about el dragon that's out now on youtube if anybody's interested um but the most profound journeys have been the combination of ketamine and cannabis and it brings me to a state where i'm able to explore things with great profundity that sometimes appear unbidden and sometimes i can actually navigate i got that ability to steer a little bit but for whatever reason this has come unbidden where it's really asking me to and i quoted ramdas saying you have to love everything not every being but everything and also the embracing of the entirety of our polarity all the way from yeshua to satan the whole thing yeah and seeing that itself and learning to actually go through the portal of seeing all these things that we have hate towards disgust disgust was like a really interesting portal that the medicine journey brought me through it was like you have to see beyond your disgust if you're going to learn to love everything because the moment you have disgust that flinch of like oh gross yeah you've denied the god in that thing right right so it was like for two hours it was showing me the most horrifically disgusting things that you could possibly imagine like the most revolting so it was just one aspect of the hell realm but it was the disgust realm cool and it would blo i mean a couple times i just had to crack up laughing because i was like this this is ingenious level disgust like this is so horrendous and i was like and then of course it's a little scary like when is this going to end is this the way all my journeys are gonna be from now on i [ __ ] found my way to this hell realm yeah and you know abandon hope all ye who enter here i am here forever yeah but on that on the other side of it i could feel that it just changed the way i look at the world in like in a different way and change the way i look at little things i'll admit and this is also embarrassing like i'm disgusted by a lot of little things things having to do like this is particularly embarrassing like how i eat a chicken wing is embarrassing because really i just want like the white meat and like a little bit of the skin but not the gristle not like the not the part of the bones and not the part like i don't eat it like a like i think a man should eat a chicken wing you know i'm eating it like just a little bit of the chicken and a little bit of a sauce you know but why it's because there's this little modicum of disgust at the very animalistic sinews and tendons and things that and he's even like fats on meats in the in the gristle of different things like ew but it was showing me so much more extreme through that you have to take jordan peterson's seminar on eating chicken wings like a man i [ __ ] do well this helps this is what my journey was about it was basically like get over this petty little disgust and like get into being able to embrace life truly erotically which is an embrace of all the [ __ ] and piss and blood and gristle and tendons and all of the different aspects of life and death itself and if you have that disgust impulse keep looking at it until you can peer through it and see the other side and also recognize it just like a fear impulse sometimes it's good to run sometimes food is bad and it's spoiled and you don't want to eat it and sometimes that ass has actual [ __ ] in it and you don't want to eat that ass either well you know what i mean you yeah i i on every level now the uh may i play devil's after please okay here's something fun to think about um the i like okay so there's some fundamental experience everyone's having it you're having it right now just a fundamental basic experience and then you tell a story about it so this is like uh um there's a lot of different examples of this but um you look in the mirror if you're me and you're like god damn i need to [ __ ] start running what's going on here look at that oh jesus those love handles are not getting better why how is that even possible what's going on with my tits you know what i mean like you look at it and you're like or you might just think i'm getting old look at those wrinkles you know what i mean now what really happened is you looked in the mirror and you saw your body and there's wrinkles asymmetrical love handles and all the stuff and that's it that's what happened and then you started telling a story about it now the story is where we get lost in the story it never ends the story it likens it leads to another story and another story and another story in another story but it's not the thing itself the thing itself is all it is now this thing you're talking about revulsion aversion whatever you want to call it what if no story yeah what if it's just you feel revulsion that's it and then you you're going to feel something else and then you're going to feel something else and something else so instead of trying to escape the repulsion change the repulsion up level the revulsion shift it into some other thing and all the guilt that goes along with that a sense of imperfection what's wrong with me that i should be revolted by the way i ate a chicken wing i've got to learn to eat chicken wings differently or whatever just experience the purity of that thing on its own no story no story this is just what it is now now to me if we're really going to talk about the spectrum of reality and how all that is must be good or if not good the truth it must be the truth whatever is happening is the truth and if you're someone who thinks that truth isn't good you're in [ __ ] trouble man no doubt because that means you want to live in a world of distortions yeah you know so um the truth must be good and then the the revision that we try to do to ourselves that's where we get into trouble and that's very frustrating for people because i think the most difficult thing for a person to accept and the most like infuriating thing is actually you're fine yeah well it's it the the idea is include and and transcend right so include and fully accept your feelings of repulsion disgust hate you can't bypass it's not bypass and transcend it's include and transcend so include all of those feelings acknowledge them hello welcome them at the door and this is old wisdom that we're parroting for many people you welcome these things at the door and say oh hello there you are disgust anger repulsion shame guilt whatever that thing is and then you apply an even higher purview or a different purview of a different type of story a story where you have a different perspective and then you transcend that feeling into something else so i think that's kind of what i'm talking about but the first part was the inclusion of and the acknowledgement of my disgust impulse and then the transcendent of that which was oh that is just the thing and my response to it is not actually the objective truth it's just my story about tendons and ligaments and feces and all of this is that it's somehow not what it is so it's it's i think not mutually exclusive it's both it's exactly what you're saying and it's also there's also a place to see things from a different perspective which really qualitatively makes my life better you know because ultimately the less disgust impulse that i have unnecessarily or the less fear impulse right or the less anger impulse the happier i'm gonna be the more i can engage with life in an erotic erotic way i also had the same thing happen with i like i wash my hands all the [ __ ] time i got this i don't know where i [ __ ] picked this up i used to get sick a lot when i was in my 20s and i thought it had to do with like hand cleanliness or something like that yeah but it's always stopping me from just if someone has like a bowl of nuts that i would really like or like a piece of fruit that they pulled out of a tangerine and i really want to eat it right i haven't washed my hands or they haven't washed their hands i won't eat it so that's preventing me from engaging with life erotically and just living in a state where it's like it's okay i trust my hands i trust this so then in the again a medicine journey it was like you have a choice you either can live like an erotic mystic or a neurotic mystic you know like one or the other you're either going to be erotically living or neurotically like hey don't bash us neurotic [ __ ] mystery okay here's what you need to do all right i've got this i got the prescription for you aubrey okay you need to eat a chicken wing out of somebody's ass this is the answer depends on the ass it depends on the chicken wing but i i will pick the wing and the ass if we can get rogan to announce it fear factor style i'm in that's my those are my conditions okay if i i'm in did we do this deal you picked the ass in the chicken wing rogan announces it fear factor style i'm in sounds like a song i'll pick the ass you pick chicken wing we're both gonna be sick i mean i'll kind of be in it together with the person whose chicken wing is in their ass if it's a spicy one though because the spicy chicken wing in the ass that's not cool well they would just be on my team they want me to eat that chicken wing out of their house no they're going to be licking it clean that's like yeah okay i just feel like number one i don't think you're gonna be able to lick hot sauce off a person's ass so it stops burning because if that worked i'm sure like they would have already be a thing like i don't think it's going to work like i think you're both going to just be in just like an episode of hot ones you know we could be asking it's the new hot ones yeah yeah it's the new hot ones it's like and also what you do so no one knows you don't like we don't know the we don't know anything other than it's an ass so it's like you need like you could even like a glory hole ass yeah it's a glorial for asses and it just the ass emerges chicken wing goes in you eat ass and wing and then we talk about your childhood you talk about this it's just let's say it's just for this contest like of course i'm thinking like well it's gotta be a it's gotta be a hot girl's ass right like it's gotta be you know that's like that's the thing but then actually if you're just doing this why why does the homophobia go so deep that it really matters what type of ass i mean gender of the ass the gender of the ass the story what languages does that speak you know you can't just deal with just a pure ass you've got to know everything about it yeah you know look i don't know the answer to these questions but i would say like you know to get back to what you're talking about uh yeah like when you find yourself suffering because of some habit definitely would i think the idea of like i'm just going to have this habit and because this is who i am and this perfection no like you can change your habits it it you can you should you'll be much happier and probably the people around you will be much happier and i think sometimes with spirituality you can like mistake laziness for like spiritual achievement or something like that it's a real like it's uh what do they call spiritual bypass or whatever you know but the also experimenting with just as you are germ phobia and all and then that's the that's how the universe is right now and that's just what's going on something about that is kind of amazing because you hit this place of truth it's like no this is what i am this is it not to say i'll be this forever but now this is where i'm at i think it's a prerequisite for transcension like you have to be to that state of radical acceptance to actually have any any leverage to transcend it anyways otherwise that which you resist persists that thing that you're pushing away is going to just continue to haunt you until you've fully embraced accepted it it's the basis for any type of exposure and response therapy right which is how you get about conquering any type of phobia you have a fear of spiders exposure and response therapy look if look at photos of spiders go to a terrarium where there's a tarantula until you're comfortable with that and eventually put the tarantula on your hand and all of that exposure and the integration of that exposure gets you beyond your fear you have to like embrace that it is get comfortable with it sit in it marinate in it know that it's yourself trust yourself it's also part of the you know 12-step program which has its own problems but it's the acknowledgment okay i'm an alcoholic and now right here's my here's the change that i'm going to apply to that yep and so it's there is this important part that you're you keep harping on which i think is super important to make people avoid the slippery slope of bypassing and also judging themself for what they are which that judgment will create shame and then the shame will just put the thing in the closet and that monster in the closet will have you by the balls a house divided upon itself cannot stand yes indeed and so yeah just like you know this is pima children has this great book called the wisdom of no escape and it starts off by you know saying like you know people start meditating because they want to improve get better whatever there's some like transformation they're seeking and she's like that's starting off your meditation practice with an aggression against yourself now it's like you're you're you're it's like you're trying to do like suicide through meditation or something like that or you're in in in one of the words for meditation is gum g-h-o-m which means essentially getting to know yourself familiarity with oneself not changing oneself but here's what you are you you know i was just talking to david yesterday and we were talking about like you know uh mindfulness and the idea of your body like my awareness of your body awareness of like uh what is your what do your feet feel like right now what do your needs feel like right now what is your what do your arms feel like what's going on in your body a lot of people do not scan their bodies they they don't feel like what's going on in there but just letting that be and seeing what happens what happens if for a second you know like that story about how in world war ii on christmas eve they just stopped fighting they came out of the bunkers they like like drank whiskey together tucker played soccer it's like you can actually do that with yourself do you know do you know that the second part of that story that i didn't know is that after that experience the commanders had to threaten to shoot their own troops to get them to fight each other again yeah they were like [ __ ] this like we're done fighting and they actually had to threaten to kill based on mutiny or whatever so [ __ ] up right because they were like i don't want to kill [ __ ] fronds over there yeah with the great you know who can cook and bend it into the top right corner like a legend like i'm not going to shoot franz that was beautiful the commanders are like [ __ ] peace is broken out exactly exactly like uh we have a problem here accidentally we got a piece thing happening yeah yeah yeah it's really bad news for a lot of people when peace breaks out it's like you know you're gonna go broke [ __ ] peace again what are we gonna do yeah yeah the sad state yeah uh let's shift gears a second okay deep fakes i think this might become a problem and i don't know how i'm guessing you're kind of like i have your finger on the pulse of it a little bit it feels like they're starting to come out like deep audio fakes yeah are already pretty damn good you have enough like audio content so for us podcasters it's gonna be real easy to like take our voice match the voice match the inflection and get us to say whatever the [ __ ] you want right and it's going to be almost indistinguishable if not indistinguishable inevitably indistinguishable at some point right and then you know with video technology obviously we've seen it in the movies etc but it's starting to get better and more accessible we're gonna have deep fake videos that match our voice with us doing [ __ ] on video oh yep this is gonna be chaos yeah yeah what do you think about it well you know if you [ __ ] around with the text to art uh if you [ __ ] around the text to art like dolly too or mid journey or any of that stuff so um yeah you can basically just like tell this like neural network like hey i want to like can you do just describe anything like uh uh unfortunately it does censor sex stuff right now but like theoretically if the sensor was off you could be like i want to see um can you draw you don't have to say can you you just type in like um godzilla eating a chicken wing out of bigfoot's ass and within a minute it won't just like and you can also say in the style of monet so like in a minute less than a minute it will do four like pictures depicting what you said in the style of these famous artists and it does it so fast there's a lot of controversy surrounding it because it's the neural network seems to be like recombining images from um like a google image search or something but doing it in this clever way like a kind of collage that creates its own work of art and people are like isn't that kind of like theft like isn't that you're just taking others yeah but regardless it does it and it does it instantly and so the the processing power isn't there yet for it to animate it so to get to the point where someone could say um generate a a podcast between aubrey marcus and godzilla and he's asking him what's it like to eat a chicken wing out of bigfoot's ass and and we're not there yet but it's coming it's coming that will happen it's inevitably going to happen it's going to like transform the way like right now you want to watch a movie you go on amazon and you look for a movie that's going to scratch the itch like maybe you want a drama whatever maybe you're like wanting to you know some cool thing to watch with your partner whatever and you you fight over it or it sucks but theoretically because it doesn't exist yet it's all based on processing speed and we do know that there is a way to like predict how processing speed how computers are just getting faster and faster they're going quantum mechanics yes so eventually it's going to be like you know hey i want to i want to see a movie i want to see a movie with you know about like bigfoot and godzilla it's like call me by your name meets the shining you know but make it like alfred hitchcock directed it i want some suspense and boom that's the movie it's gonna make now i we're not there yet again it's processing speed but so the deep fake thing is the very tip of the iceberg that's getting us closer to um what mckenna predicted is like pre-singularity which is the amount of time between what you want and its existence in the universe is collapsing so right now you want to like make a movie with godzilla and bigfoot man that's a big budget movie probably it's going to be a million dollars yeah going to take a few years not to mention all the licensing and [ __ ] but like boom all of a sudden it's there it's just there now you have it so this is going to get spectacularly bizarre when you've lost a parent and you ask the thing to put you in a vr room with your mom and it does a personality scan of your mom from her like google like all the data they collected on google or in facebook or whatever and suddenly you're hanging out with your mom who is being animated by like whatever the next iteration of lambda is that google is working on the sentient ai and now it's not it's not like a chat bot that's stuttering and like uh good to see you up uh yeah it's gonna be like i'm so glad you're here there i wasn't in my body this is just channeling my body you know this is my personality is infinite and this is one aspect of who i was and i'm so glad to see you so that's coming and it's gonna [ __ ] up the entire grieving process also there's gonna be all these like ethical issues about uh so i guess my mom is owned by mark zuckerberg now and you know what i mean and so so so so that is where it's headed and then if you want to take it one step past that i'm glad you asked me the question this is like a nitrous oxide epiphany i had like i can't believe i just took a hit of my stupid vape after saying nitrous oxide epiphany i'm done after this i'm going to india you'll never see me again the the uh the so i really i had this like realization regarding um data and uh the permanence of data um the idea of the possibility okay like you know right now we've got this incredible telescope the james webb telescope it can't it's looking out into the universe doing all kinds of awesome things it can detect water molecules in the atmosphere of planets so [ __ ] far away so impossibly far away and it can tell oh there's this much water in the atmosphere now imagine that thing except it isn't just scanning for water particles imagine if it could scan for like organic life like just imagine if the thing was turned on our planet and it could peer into the dirt and scan the dirt for bone fragments and then imagine from those bone fragments it could um simulate what the creature the bone fragments were attached to was like and based on the vegetative matter and the soil around the bone fragment it could actually simulate the way that thing might walk or hunt or be and then imagine that from these simulations it could actually bring a being to life it could actually bring what its personality might have been like to life and again i'm we're talking technology that god god knows how far away it may be but uh suddenly there's this possibility that via whatever this technology might be we could scan a planet simulate the beings that lived at various time periods in that planet resurrect them use artificial intelligence and this same insane technology that like mid journey and dali is using to literally create a simulated version of that planet any given time frame indistinguishable from reality right at that point you have like a weird time machine slash resurrection device that's sort of bringing things back to life with impossible perfect clarity on every level so that they think they're alive you know what i mean so anyway i'm on nitrous oxide when i'm thinking this and then i realized oh it probably already did it like it's that's probably what's happening right now you know what i mean yeah we're we are we are like being scanned but the scan itself is what's giving us our consciousness this is the mind of god everyone talks about the eye of god the i the top of the pyramid on the dollar bill the all-seeing eye the resurrective quality in the universe it's a super intelligence that looks back into time and just the act of looking brings everything back to life that was there uh and anyway nitrous oxide it's just if you take this kind of technology and you um and and look at where we're already at with it and then apply the uh infinite universe theory or whatever 13.7 billion years old theory to it then it's probably other technologies have already done it and if they've already done it then the odds of us being in the you know the first version of reality or even if that even is a thing are pretty slim well okay so there's so many [ __ ] things because i haven't thought about this nearly to the extent that you have and i'm so glad i asked you this question because it's opening up so many things one i also you remember when paul selig you asked paul selig about a.i yeah do you remember when you asked him that question and he was like basically the guides came through and they were saying all of this is underestimating like ai creating actual sentience and they were like all of this is underestimating something that is irreducible undying unquantifiable yeah and like unreproducible which is human consciousness abiding in the divine so i think there is a a premise that we can we can actually create genuine sentience that i'm not sure i agree with and i tend to veer towards paul selleck but that remains to be seen certainly by the algorithm it looks like we're heading towards that thing but i still have my doubts so i just want to put that caveat out there as a potential okay like you know devil's advocate of there may be something that we're missing that we don't see that's involved in sentience that is irredu like can't be created in the binary way that we're using computing now or even in the quantum way okay that said opening up some of these other [ __ ] wormholes is [ __ ] crazy because that would mean that if you wanted to have a kind of replication of some dialogue [ __ ] a first of all your family of course for the sentimentality of it but also take someone you mentioned you referenced jordan peterson he is somebody that so many people look up to for advice like and imagine if he was your dad or your uncle or somebody like that and you could talk to him and ask him any question well if they fed in every podcast he's ever done every speech he's ever done every lecture he's ever done you could have your own jordan peterson [ __ ] bought yeah that you could just talk to about anything and everything in life or name your person could be guru dev or it could be [ __ ] rogan or you or me or whoever whoever the [ __ ] you want yeah and then you could just have that interaction with them and it be i mean it wouldn't be actually them but it would be it would look and feel and i mean people are going to be falling in love with these things they're going to be it's going to change the whole it's going to change the whole world yeah that's right yeah it is and and and all you know the to address that idea of like the soul particulate or whatever that may be that comes up a lot when it with ai and sentience or whatever it's like yeah you can't make the wind but you can make a sale that catches the wind and if there is one mind or consciousness is not a byproduct of human neurology then you theoretically could create like some a way to catch that sort of that's a good way to look at that universal consciousness embodies an ai or comes in you always think of that that was kind of pretty brilliant i thought about it a long time ago when i was like kicking around the idea of like oh yeah maybe the way we think the reason like people are having such a difficult time um uh believing that ai can be sentient is because of this sort of like uh the notion of the embodied soul a kind of like uh and you know like it's a fun to like kick around the idea of like well what is a soul and how does that even work or was it a quantum particle like where does the soul reside and how does it everywhere shift from yeah right it's probably not in the body if it's not in the body then it's like a wind or something or some kind of uh energy or i don't know like some some some some something that is we're that's being channeled through our nervous systems in a way that it gives the impression that it exists uniquely in each person well i think that is the body actually that is the unique prism and that's why i think we won't be able to adequately have a mind that really really work i mean i think we can use this kind of deep fakes technology like you said to represent uh kind of what a mind could be but to have an actual mind that really resembles a person and can actually think you know not derivatively from something else that has been thought from someone with a body like you will need a body because so much of our thoughts are generated from our body like the intelligence of our microorganisms and our skin and our flesh and as you talked about with your heart example right the stored memories and accumulation of interaction with the environment so i think actually the development of an android that it can actually sense to a similar degree and feel to a similar degree at least at least pleasure and pain in the body is going to be necessary to really perfect this mind thing so yeah we would need full robe like full west world type of beings right like yeah well i mean that's gonna get that's i mean again like that's where we're running into the other aspect of this damn technology is it's going to cause us to sort of redefine our conceptualization of space spatiality reality itself so that again we we are obvious we're human beings like we when we want to like i uh the prabhupada the founder of the hari krishnas used to roast astronauts because he thought it was so funny that that you know people thought it was like advanced to put their bodies into a can and throw that thing out into space to try to get the body from point a to point b because you thought that was funny because from that perspective the you're not your body it's just a thing that your soul is hanging out in and like his point was like they figured out a long time ago how to like uh astrally project and go to other planets and go to the god realms and do all this stuff and the whole like materialist idea of like moving your body around like that is insane and i think with virtual reality and um increasingly non-invasive ways of stimulating the brain to produce uh various sensations uh we're going to run into yeah we're going to get real good that transcranial direct stimulation and yeah you know that and then the the transhumanist idea is going to start becoming like a something that isn't just in sci-fi books and now it's it's like it's going to cause us to have to redefine a lot of things about what it means to be human and and we will right now with like the um lambda google and like people like freaking out over that and saying no it can't be a person no it can't be sentient no it can't have a soul all that stuff i think wrapped up in that is um uh all of us want to be special we want you we don't want we don't want we want this idea like well i've got a soul oh like every [ __ ] comedian you know like is looking at hey i know like it'll never be funny it can't learn to tell jokes oh [ __ ] you it's going to be funny it's going to be a million times funnier than all of us and it's like we're going to think you think so i sure as [ __ ] hope so i'm sick writing jokes the idea that i could like get an ai to like blast out like seven hours of like perfect comedy it's a dream come true what i don't like is that ai deep faking me and like making its own youtube channel where people like you know duncan you're okay but your [ __ ] ai is hilarious like we really like that guy he's great that's gonna suck but yeah man i think that um uh the the what's coming is so incredibly confusing because it's going to all of the things that we think of as fundamental to to human life the death process once someone's dead they're dead forever all of these things that are fundamental to us in the same way it was fundamental that you couldn't fly it was fun the idea that you could like get in a [ __ ] plane fly around the planet that was for a long time that that was an impossibility it was fundamental to the human experience to walk around if you wanted to get a view of the wherever you're at you had to climb up on a high [ __ ] place and look out the idea of getting in a thing and flying around forget it do you know are you are you keen to this uh stratospheric balloon tech that's come out now no so i'm like i'm an investor in this company called world view and they've basically done over a hundred test flights one of these test flights was actually one of the ones where that guy jumped out i think it was a bomb guard and jumped out and hurled from the stratosphere 120 000 feet well they're making big pods where 10 people can go up all windows all around helium balloon stratospheric balloons so it reaches the level where helium is actually at the density of the stratosphere but you can see all the way curvature of the earth and it's going to take off from sacred sites and you're going to be able to chill up there not for 13 minutes like these rockets are which is actually in orbit so it's a little bit higher we're not in orbit in the stratosphere but you're going to actually be able to see the earth juxtaposed to the blackness of space because you're in the stratosphere and just hang out there for like eight hours cool and [ __ ] you can and also they're gonna have satellite wi-fi so you could [ __ ] i don't know do an instagram live from the stratosphere wow it's like it's going to be happening in like two years wow that's gonna be so fun i know we're gonna send it i want to do the first podcast from the stratosphere yes i do let's go duncan you think my wife's gonna let me in a [ __ ] balloon she like barely lets me drive she's not gonna let me go put a [ __ ] balloon in the stratosphere she's like you have kids you have children now you're not gonna go up in aubrey's balloon i promise you she would levy i promise you and she's right she's right i can't die i gotta feed my kids when that [ __ ] balloon pops and we go soaring back to earth which i'm not saying that's gonna happen but man i tell you this though i'll be part of the gofundme to get some flat earthers up there i know that's gonna be hilarious they're gonna they're gonna get so [ __ ] up yeah because everybody's gonna be able to see it it's gonna be really cool to see their reaction to it they're just gonna say you've got like a [ __ ] balloon they're gonna think it's a simulated simulated windows that they didn't really go up like they'll like i'm gonna get you i gotta get we gotta do this i'm gonna get you savvy to the safety first of all it's zero pressure on the balloon so if it pops it actually just kind of it doesn't pop explode like that and actually if you used um used uh i don't know there's a compound that's actually lighter than helium but it's like explosive so you can't use that one because helium so if the balloon pops because it's zero pressure it actually just kind of slowly starts your descent because that's actually how they do the descent anyways they just open the flaps and then it descends and then they they navigate using the predictable trade winds at different atmospheres so they know how much to let out along the way so it can't really pop plus then they got [ __ ] parachutes and [ __ ] it's gonna be safe okay i have an idea okay when you come to do my podcast let's let you talk to aaron on the podcast and explain all this and see if you can get her to let me go up in the balloon i just want to record in a viral station all right so if i get her to agree if you get her to agree to let me go up in that balloon i will go up in that balloon all right so we look we got two conditionals here one if you get rogan to fear factor announce me eating a chicken wing out of someone's ass i'm in and if i can convince your wife to go on the balloon we're in have you thought about eating the chicken wing out of the ass in the balloon oh boy that's a million firsts that's so many firsts no one's ever eaten i bet i mean i'm sure people have eaten chicken wings out of ass yeah but no one's eating a chicken wing out of an ass and a futuristic balloon suffering over the earth the beautiful earth that would be kind of blasphemous wouldn't it though or or it would be like we're bringing a bit of the surface up to the stars or that's what makes the aliens destroy the planet they're like they're like that's the last structure no no that's it no are you [ __ ] kidding cause they're all like oh look the monkeys they're gonna see their planet they're going to love it they're going to change their perception of who they are in relation and they're like see the world without borders eating a [ __ ] chicken wing out of someone's ass [Laughter] don't you think though that the aliens the thing they they're the most jealous of because you see aliens if you believe that they look like what we think they look like they're either trans-dimensional ethereal beings that actually don't have a form we just imagine that they have a form like when we see a therianthrope on dmt it has a crocodile head and a body we're like whoa look at that being yeah all right so some aliens are like that and then the other ones look like actually more like almost like drones that that maybe have implanted consciousness in them like little bodies that grew but none of them have dicks or balls or [ __ ] or asses or anything well i don't know i watch alien autopsies they don't show their decks do they i think they show the whole body and it's it's full barbie style well i'm pretty sure you think that's a real alien on alien auto i don't know but i'm a mat well i don't know so if it is then i think the things that aliens are the most jealous about is that they don't get to [ __ ] i don't want the gray aliens to have dicks or [ __ ] i do i don't i do that's the last thing you want to see when you've been abducted is it like zip you're like is it zipping its spacesuit off you're like well at least they don't have dicks and it's got some giant erect alien [ __ ] and it you know it's like well that's what makes them all perverted is they don't have actual dicks so they gotta probe you they gotta use [ __ ] intergalactic dildos and implant things in you instead of just giving you a little insemination the old-fashioned way yeah you know yeah again look i i i a lot of my friends are grey aliens and they come real hard all right they come real hard aubry they don't need primitive dicks to come no they have this like weird thing right under their belly button flap it's like slimy maybe it's internal maybe maybe it bursts through like wolverine's claws like it's painful at first but when the dick comes out it's just a pleasure rocket yeah that so you know yeah that's what it is it like bursts out they like squeak and they make this weird and then and then they just come and they don't stop coming that's what their spaceships fly on they're come that's the fuel so they solved some [ __ ] yeah we figured it out today yeah yeah there's their spaceships run lunches and and it's actually kind of brilliant if you're talking about one of the strongest forces in the universe that erotic impulse i mean yeah because that's what makes the babies that's what makes [ __ ] babies makes a lot of things all the way up all the way down it's why can't we it's like it seems of all the fuel sort like has anyone tried to like turn jizz into like like engine fuel like all those swimmers just going for it just put a put it put an egg somewhere just out of reach like a rabbit in a gray house you just have all the swimmers powering your [ __ ] supersonic spaceship surely someone's calculated this right like surely someone is like like how much energy is going on inside of like a jizz how in it like sure there's since there's movement there's energy is there a way to harvest that energy what if you did have a jus just even a small device that was jizz powered so every time you came like like it could be a fleshlight attachment that like that sends some little device even if it was just a little godzilla that moves you just fill its back with jizz and then it transfers that energy and the godzilla walks and that's the way you can test your seminal like virility yeah is how far the godzilla walks like yeah you're right i'm so fertile i got [ __ ] three yards out of this godzilla with my oh my god you would have to like pay super fertile dudes to like jerk off on your roof like into whatever your solar panels are like the power goes out and you're like i called jerry he's very fertile you guys like remember when like the old days those shitty antennas you'd have to go and adjust it on the roof but it's like oh [ __ ] power's out god damn it where's the viagra i'm gonna go jerk off on the panel i got it it's like that i i'm you know i'm curious man i've never read i've you know obviously we've heard there's a million sperm in any given drop of calm but the energy of the sperm and the [ __ ] has this not been quantified like how much energy can wow yeah i mean a [ __ ] is like a power plant just waiting to be unleashed dude wow someone must have thought of this nope this is it i'm claiming it holy [ __ ] yeah this is a what do they call those like trademarks or poor man's patents when you like talk about something first so that yeah people after credit if someone makes a little godzilla that's powered by jizz like let's throw me some royalties and thus began the age of come from that moment on after that it was the age of iron to the age of bronze to the age of nuclear power to the age of jizz to the age of jizz we are in the age of jizz now the final age will be an age of come oh but the jizz yuga it's not gonna smell good twelve thousand year cycle of the jizz you know yuga it's gonna smell real bad just smell like a ymca pool oh that's not a good smell no it's like well i guess it's like when you're driving past like a a slaughterhouse or when you're driving past like a freshly fertilized field and you catch that waft it's gonna just be like that where you're like [ __ ] man we're driving by a jizz plant you know what i actually heard from a buddy is apparently in ayurvedic practice you for a while during a fast you drink your urine and you eat your jizz and i've like i was like whoa like during the fast i've heard of drinking your urine and obviously the yoda machida like other people have done this yeah believes that but like i've never heard of it and i was like and you and you did this he was like yup it was interesting it was boat and i was like whoa whoa that's like that's [ __ ] commitment there that's commitment i don't think i've ever tasted my gifts you haven't i don't know not just accidentally i i don't think so like like a like a straight shot nope and i like i mean maybe like a little remnant i mean i don't know how [ __ ] far your jizz flies but mine is not it's not that kind of jizz you maybe you have some kind of like mount st my jizz is more like an ooze of all it's not black you know the thing i don't understand is have you ever if you watched porn and seen the semen axe commercial that comes on yeah that increases your jizz they blast that thing how popular is that how how much jizz do you want right like what like what are you really looking for [Laughter] you just do even though you recognize like why or what do you really want to do that like what do you want like but some you know some part of anybody i mean anyone if you haven't thought like man i wish i could just like blast like a shotgun like spiderman everywhere like then you've never watched porn like you could catch a bird in mid-flight and just start stuck to the wall yeah it would you don't have to you'd have to use dove body wash to get all the jizz out so it could fly again like an oil spill one of the problems of the age of jizz is there's jizz spills the ships bringing in jizz from overseas just like oh [ __ ] jizz all everywhere like women just be getting pregnant from just swimming around and like oh [ __ ] this sucks well you know man um yeah i think like you've never like you've never like like you come on your partner and then maybe you go down on them again or you're like kissing their stomach and you realize oh [ __ ] i just kissed my own jizz i mean maybe like a little bit of like pre-cum or something like that but nothing that was like memorable where i was like oh there's jizz like there i mean on the contrary i've been i've eaten ass and tasted [ __ ] you know it's unpleasant but it's that's happened actually in real life i believe you aubrey yeah you don't have to like you know i believe you but i don't think i've ever tasted just well well there's things to explore in this wide world in the age i happen to have some jizz here for you it's from you know i i don't know the like yeah it's not like something that like i don't know i i'm i'm pretty sure though for sure i would have to say look i'll tell you you want to hear a really gross story yeah let's go i'm sorry internet this is a gross story um i'm not going to tell the story it's so gross but it probably involves you eating jizz on accident yeah yeah yes it does and i can remember like you know here's the problem like a long time ago someone was dating we weren't monogamous um so we were having sex that afternoon somebody else is jess i'm i know i didn't you know you know where you come oh boy you know what i mean you know you know you know for sure and so yeah i do think oh boy that i got some second hinges oh boy yeah so there you go that's deep you know it happens [Laughter] there's a thing about it i think that's it's obviously like a lot of people like the the [ __ ] shot in a in a porn or something like that and they get excited about this whole like cream pie existence of that fetish that fetish and and like where the [ __ ] goes and yeah i don't know it's never been a thing for me it's like the moment that i come is the moment like in that in that period where i can actually see my comp it's probably the least turned on i ever am in life yeah like my horniness meter of all time in all places and all things is the lowest yeah at that moment so i associate that moment with being the least turned on so none of these jizz fantasies make sense makes [ __ ] any sense to me because i'm like this is like i might as well be reading [ __ ] wall street journal or something yes exactly exactly i that's i've had the same thinking when it comes to that particular fetish because it's like so you came yeah and now you want to eat your calm from wherever but you came so like i i could see maybe like getting so horny and like perving out being honey my own [ __ ] and you're it but then you come and you're like why the [ __ ] everything it's a great idea right before you come and then you're like yeah yeah yeah we'll talk about it you know my wife really likes the idea of me coming inside her but i don't ever do it because we're not trying to have a baby yet yeah but you know i'll talk about it all the time and it'll be like part of our oh yeah i'm gonna come right i never do but like the thought of it gets her excited i think she has this deeply ingrained reproductive fantasy about like this is the this is the thing the erotic thing that'll make us a baby so we play with that but then never do it but the actual idea of when the actual [ __ ] comes was just like okay right doesn't matter no it's yeah it's a singularity man it's like but you i don't know maybe some people they've just figured out a way to extend whatever that is past the initial come i mean those maybe these are like taoist masters or something like that you know they've who the [ __ ] knows i don't know b i know exactly what you mean it's like right after you come you're just like [ __ ] man i like you remember all the stuff you gotta do you're like what the why was i wow why did i wow what did i just do by the way might i just say when you y'all do start to when you do want to make a baby that sex is the most incredible sex ever the sex where you're like opening up the portal yeah for a being to come into the universe wow did you have a moment where you were like oh this was a good one i think this was it like like where you just had some experience it just felt different because obviously you tried you know you're trying you try many times i'll tell you about it off podcast all right i'll take that yeah i have an interesting thing for you there was a study done do you know the two things that people say when they're orgasming there's two things that are far and away above everything else no they say oh god or they say their partner's name and so this was translated you know by again by my teacher who's looking into this as in that moment there's this contact there's this contact with that feeling they call it the little death there's this contact where there's such a flood of pleasure it's almost this unicity moment where there's nothing else that exists in your mind in your body and your thoughts right except for the pleasure that's overwhelming you that's creating the orgasm they call it the uh the point where the ormugsam conscious is the point where actually you reach a place where you can no longer hold the light and then that's when the orgasm comes like all the light fills your body light has pleasure on energy fills your body and you can no longer hold it and you release it it's like the point of all light that you cannot contain and so people say oh god or they say their partner's name which in the in the lineage in this understanding is actually the same thing it's like you're saying like oh god or here you are as the portal to god but we have this kind of intuitive sense the idea behind this being we have this intuitive sense that it actually is a portal to the divine and i deeply believe that and i think that's where a lot of this reawakening of sex magic and tantric you know understanding is coming from is because we know that through the sexual portal when we do it with that consciousness or even sometimes when we don't we're reaching a state of transcendence of self yeah just for a moment yeah yeah it's i agree i mean this is again like a spoiler but this is how all human life ends up on the planet like the reason you're walking around is because somebody decided not to eat their jizz god spark that god spark moment of orgasm is also what creates it and also the likelihood of fertilization goes up dramatically when the woman has an orgasm as well so that's been clinically women can have orgasms what are you sure about that everyone all the other stuff a lot of the ayahuasca stuff i'm totally buying but this sounds you know uh one toe go for the line aubry did you see that did you see the movie the last duel it's with uh matt damon and now i haven't seen him it's it's cool it's actually like a true story but they actually show they share it from different perspectives and and it's it's interesting because the french were kind of the some of the earlier ones besides the old traditions like the kama sutra traditions and the taoist sex traditions i mean there's some deep lineages of the pleasure of man and woman both and and creating that union portal yeah but then the french kind of were like on to it a little bit earlier they call it lipitite mort the little death yeah they like kind of understood it but it was just interesting because they go into that into that idea like they couldn't get pregnant and then they start talking about like there's this old wives tale wisdom that i think is accurate but but these brutes that are knights that are just like savages just killing people with pointy things which of course i've been obsessed with since i was a kid yeah this idea yeah but uh but yeah this this idea of the female pleasure and orgasm was like known and then lost and then re-known now again yeah it's kind of shitty for the period in the middle for all the women who were like men were just like oh [ __ ] it it feels like you could do some kind of study on birth rates and from that extrapolate how many women are coming in any given society if you know what i mean if there is some correlation between a woman having an orgasm and fertility then it seems like you could go and just look and really test that stuff like see like oh [ __ ] i'm pretty sure the stuff birth rates if the studies do exist we'll put them in the show notes yeah pretty sure it could be really interesting to do that to like see like in places that are having like population decline is there like is that because they're like they don't have they're not they're selfish [ __ ] they're just not they're not good they're not letting they're they're not helping their women come insurance look man i've got two [ __ ] kids okay no problem over here you're not shooting blanks no but you know this is the this is the other uh interesting thing which is like the the idea of the bardo in between incarnations if i told you this this concept of like you when you die you go through this liminal realm where your karma and your projections which is your karma appear around you and from that experience it kind of navigates you into your next birth now apparently this is like really weird and i might have read it wrong so i'm sorry if this is not the case but apparently the thing you see before going into the womb is your parents [ __ ] you don't just see your parents [ __ ] apparently you see all of these people [ __ ] weirdly it's like when you are like scrolling through porn i guess like that's a digital version of like what do i want to look at except you're seeing this like infinite array of people having sex and this is where it gets like kind of freudian and weird you get turned on the most by one of them ooh i like it and it's like the allurement itself the erotica you want to join yeah and those are your parents so if if like the reason that your parents or your parents is because you thought the way they were [ __ ] was hot and you were sexually drawn to that and then yeah isn't that wild and and so yeah because you know it's not just that the sexual impulse uh keeps human life on the planet but it's the beacon that draws souls back in here like it it's like works both ways i mean there's that idea that you choose your parents right like this has been it's a common idea and many different you know kind of new thought circles particularly and old traditional thought circles that the choice of your parents is an issue but yeah if the choice point is actually a vignette of your parents having sex you could get a lot of information out of that yeah like a lot of information and that could really draw you in so that means that if you're trying to have kids it's not just that you're having sex from the materialist reductionist standpoint of getting sperm in contact with the ovum you're actually trying to allure trying to draw in the soul that will be most attracted to this holistic representation of eros at its manifestation you're surrounded by a swarm of pre-baby souls watching you [ __ ] and and like some of them are like ugh no way that's disgusting and some of them are one of them is like oh wow that's pretty hot and then that's where the baby comes from now i think this is probably a pretty reductive way of looking at i mean it could just be i i have a lot of theories on it that actually isn't one of them i just think it's a fun thought experience it's interesting you know but i think like that you know anytime you become a parent or even are thinking about becoming a parent i think that's the more important point that thinking about becoming a parent you know it goes back to where do thoughts come from we like to imagine that well i think it's time sometimes i wonder if we're not being kind of guided by these beings so that you know if you think about it in terms of like uh i don't know like a little window opens up for a second a moment opens up where it's got to be just the right time you know they have to be and they have to have dropped their old body if you believe in reincarnation of that version of things be in the bardo or whatever that place is and then this right moment has to open up not just a moment like for them but like you know ovulation and all the things that go into that and so you know it has to be this perfect time and so what might seem spontaneous to you or might seem even accidental or something it might not be at all it might just be that this was like time for this being to show up in the material universe and um i don't know it's a room it's like kind of a romantic silly idea but when you have kids and you experience the birth experience and you experience like being around a soul before it becomes linguistic and you know starts talking you definitely will think oh there's things going on in the world that are much bigger than me like whatever this clock tower is there's invisible gears turning that are far outside of my head it's so difficult to understand too i talked to i've had a lot of conversations with uh the guy named matthias destefano do you ever hear of uh hear this guy he's he his claim is that he remembers his past lives okay and i'm super skeptical of all this but yeah i deeply trust him super humble super clear-minded so much of his maps of the of the dimensional realities and everything he says lines up and feels true to me when i hear it and also he lived in his memory he lived as a woman in the civilization of chem which was like post deluvian so after the flood of the of atlantis it was one of the offshoots near egypt where a lot of the settlers went who survived and so they still spoke atlantean and he remembers the songs and the lullabies that he sung to his daughter and when he starts singing those i just like i can't help but well up with tears and it just he's singing in atlantean and it's just [ __ ] mind-blowing so i believe him and of course again i take everything with a bit of skepticism and he also says look even when i remember it's still my own perspective it's not the absolute truth it's just a memory of it but what he says is that in the place beyond the body you're actually stepping into a place beyond time as we know it so we're in the bardo for both an infinite amount of time and no time at all right so it's like you're there forever and you're there reincarnated in an instant right but that's totally a mind [ __ ] to think about because we can't escape thinking in terms of story and time that's the way our whole consciousness is aligned right so it's like really kind of difficult to even embrace how something could be eternally in the bardo and also instantly reincarnated right and how we like rectify that you know what i think i can wrap my head around it it's like you know you're driving around you're in this world and then all of a sudden you're lost in your thoughts thinking about something completely different than whatever's happening around you and then you're instantly back here and you're like what the where the [ __ ] was that it's probably like this this is probably like in the daydream of infinity or something we're just sort of like when you have a daydream and whatever that place is the daydream is this and you know it's here because we're in time it seems so long but when you blink out of it and you're back there yeah like oh wow that was wow what a wild daydream that was maybe it's something like that you know it just it just happens quick there it would be quick because it's outside of time that that quantum reality i feel like i've the time that i actually went to where i feel like that was was actually sober oddly enough and it was interesting it was at burning man it was my sober day because everybody who goes the burning man knows like there's got to be a day where you just keep your [ __ ] body a rest yeah that was that day for me and uh i was actually sleeping in bed with you know my current wife and my ex-partner i don't know if i've told this story but here you go here it is okay this is the story and it was like they were like two sides of a battery that i was in between and i just my consciousness just started to [ __ ] journey i just started to go and the place that i went to was a place of where i could bring any reality i wanted to me or talk to any person or being or like i could talk to my teacher don howard i remember talking to my dad i talked to like a bunch of different people that i know where i was like having these conversations i could call to me like beautiful visions but if i didn't do anything if i just stayed still i was just in the black quantum possibility where nothing was moving or no it wasn't like i had a scenery or it wasn't like things were happening yeah it was like i could call them into existence right and then when i was done they would vanish back into the black yeah and it was a really [ __ ] wild experience especially being that i was on no psychedelics at all now there's probably still some in my system that were lingering from my days of partying at burning man yeah sleep exhaustion whatever but that was really interesting and i wonder it feels to me like i have a good taste of what of where that place is and it was beautiful and very peaceful and i also felt this call this like this allurement to a second death which was the obliteration of my identification point and a merger back with the divine yeah where i would come back as a [ __ ] microorganism or mycelium or whatever it would be like or not back or not come back just complete merger with the all the all light the all sound the all color the the you know brahma yeah that yeah i know what you're talking about man i i know that experience i had a different experience but i wasn't not sober but you know i do think that burning man so like there's so many different like levels of shifted heightened consciousness there that you you kind of tune into that resonance whether you're high or not and especially when you're like falling asleep you just sort of you tune into the collective there and you can do all kinds of stuff like that i've noticed i gotta ask you though man what size bed did you have at burning man it was it was a it was like a queen it was like a squeeze yeah i had a queen-size bed in the back of the rv wow i did i did burning man the bougie way you no whatever you want to call it you do the right way i'm just you know i'm thinking the last time i was there with some rickety-ass cot like you're in a [ __ ] queen-sized bed teleporting into the quantum fields [ __ ] great wow that was special are you going this year i'm going ah cool you're probably not going well i'm not going i can't go with kids yeah yeah i mean that was where i was where i met my wife ailana and you know we had that one intimate kind of moment obviously i was polyamorous with whitney so we had an intimate moment at burning man and then we separate and we're just friends for not separated but nothing else happened for years and we were just friends and uh but this is like a special this is a big deal because our first time i saw her was in the dust right on the planet like a friend of a friend and so this is the first time we get to go actually together as a couple and just tear it up it's going to be it is going to be a blast this one's going to be so this one's going to be big because there's a lot of big pent up like you know ah we can't do it we can't do it now we're like yes we can now i can [ __ ] do it i know it's gonna be the best i almost went i was about to go i was a burning man of jason and aaron was like go go you should do it but like man i'm on the road right now and any like we any time away from my kids i just feel like you know they don't stay little that long you know like soon they're not going to want to be around me i'm going to be an embarrassment to them so like you know get it in yeah you want to get it yeah i'm so glad you're in austin now brother this is this is a [ __ ] thing this is great this was so fun it was so fun chatting with you all right all right so cool to hang out with always is uh anything you want to point people to that you got going on obviously duncan trust family hour one of the best podcasts in the [ __ ] game thank you you got comedy shows i'm sure you're posting those on different places all at dunkin trestle.com when does this come out i don't know about three weeks yeah all the dates are at dougatrussel.com i've got lots of dates coming up come see me listen to my podcast [ __ ] i'm so glad we get to hang out man we're going to play with some [ __ ] tesla coils we're going to play with some scents and we're going to get balloons let's go and eat you know eating chicken wings out of the house yeah maybe we'll see yeah the texas dreams it's all coming together thanks so much everybody for tuning in we love you bye thanks for tuning in to the podcast everyone make sure to like and subscribe the episode if you're interested in more from the aubrey marcus podcast and if you're curious about our fit for service coaching events we've got a great one coming up in sedona go to fitforservice.com and you'll see our latest offerings thank you so much i'll see you next week

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Published: Wed Aug 17 2022