Breaking News: RAM IS KILLING OFF THE CUMMINS For 2025!!!

who would have ever thought the day was coming when Ram would not be using the cumins again there was an article last month discussing Ram killing off the cumins now I didn't believe it but it does seem very very very possible now when I say they're killing off the cumins they're not killing off both of them they're killing off the one can you guess which one it is this one this is the standard output coming so for 2025 there is possibly going to be an exit of two comments now Ford has pretty much decided they're going to copy RAM and do two and Ram's like nah I don't want to be like you Ford I want to be different so they're going away from two potentially now how do you know the high output from the standard output well the one way you can tell is the transmission so on this side you would see a dipstick for the Isen but because this is a 68 R Fe you guys can see right here that is the dipstick which means this is a 68 RP and without even guessing this is a 2500 so yeah it's definitely the standard output and just to confirm what I said you see the dipstick that's for the Isen it's on the driver's side now why would Ram decide to kill off the standard output coming I'll tell you why it's because they're probably sadly going to be killing off the Eisen that is very very bad news for medium duty trucks for sure I personally like the Isen transmission now based off how I use my trucks I probably would get the $60 fee if I was deciding to get another Ram truck and I was looking for one of these models I would actually be okay with getting a 68 fee the reason why is because I don't tow as much as I did in the past although I I still do tow I probably still tow about 30 40% because my GMC has I think almost 4 or 5,000 Mi of just Towing and it has like 9,000 Mi total on the truck now with that being said the power line from ZF seems to be the next iteration for the ram HD pickups this is the article from Mopar insiders.com and down below here you guys will see they did a write up I want to say they were the first ones to break the story on the power line now if you read here it's talking about the rating for that Transmissions only 1,000 pbet of torque and then they kind of discuss how this is for a pretty big truck basically with a 57,000 lb gross combined weight reing and down below they might be working with ZF to create their own transmission it's going to be 8speed and then that should help them get to the higher torque capacity handling there and of course horsepower but what are you guys' thoughts I think that Ram definitely has a great opportunity to really get back in first place with this new powertrain so we'll have to wait and see what they do now I'm sure a lot of people are excited about the power line 8 speed so they're going two more gears and yes that's all great news right but here's my problem the power line is basically a medium duty transmission we've already learned that the eizen transmission is not a great transmission unloaded it's a phenomenal and I mean phenomenal transmission Towing and I don't mind the sixspeed and like I said earlier for most guys I think when they do a 2025 Ram HD I hope that they keep the eyes in around and I'll discuss that here in a second but let's move on let's talk about the 68 RV for a second this is Chrysler's in-house transmission I'm going to climb under here if I can to show you what we're talking about so you can kind of see that transmission there it's really small in comparison if I show you guys the uh Isen right so the 68 RV is a six-speed transmission Ram's been using this transmission I think since 2007 I believe I could be wrong but it's been a long time that they've been using this transmission and here is why they use it for the 2500 platform it's the weight now if you think about the weight of this transmission you ready for this the 68 RP weighs 263 lbs that is very light I believe that is wet too by the way now first gear in this transmission is going to be a 323 to1 final gear is a 0.63 to1 so when you think about gear ing 323 is pretty dang deep let's talk about the Eisen the reason why you don't see this high output cumins and Isen configuration in that 3/4 ton is because Ram is still using that 10,000lb gross field quate rating and therefore every pound counts this Isen transmission weighs and I believe this is wet 400 lb I believe it might be 450 wet but let's just say 400 for the sake of argument that is pretty dang heavy now as far as the gearing first gear in this transmission is a 375 to1 and final gear is the exact same as his 68 R Fe 0.63 to1 ratio now if you're looking at it dual there is an optional 410 but it would come standard with a 373 if you get a single rear wheel one ton like this one with the cumins whether it be the high output or standard output same goes for this standard output 3/4 ton you only can get the 373 rear all right let's talk about the power line now the power line is going to be a macho man when it comes down to that first gear first gear in the ZF power line is going to be a 489 to one so you're going from the high output which is pretty dang good 375 to one for first gear all the way to a 489 now Ford and GM I think Ford might be in the 47 or 469 I think JM is not far behind on that first gear so they have some deep gears in that 10-speed transmission the 10l 1000 is the Chevy and G and GMC's and Forge is the 10r 140 uh transmission it's a 10-speed so yes with the power line you're going to get a really deep first gear now the final drive is going to go to a 0.64 to1 ratio the weight of that transmission is showing 375 lb so when you think about it that's why Ram can get rid of the eizen and the 68r Fe and get rid of the standard output cumings because the weight will not be a factor now I'm going to choke someone at Ram if they do not raise that D on GVWR to at least 108 if 104 would be fine but 108 would give them 800 more pounds of payload capacity especially if they find a way to lighten the truck all together but having a lighter transmission is going to help and so that's why the power line is a good idea now I do think Ram would be making a big mistake if they do not keep the eyes in around in the medium duty trucks like the 4500 and 5500 100% I would even like to see them keep it around in these trucks if someone's looking for reliability on that first model year and just want the new interior I can understand them picking the eizen and a lot of guys will pick the eizen for sure but the power line being brand new it's going to have some quirks it's always going to happen and there's going to be some drivability issues that's how it works whether you buy a toyot or a ram it doesn't matter they're all going to have problems within the first model year so I really think that Ram has a great opportunity here to bring their aame with this new Cummins idea now if this is true I think this is some great great news having two diesels never really made sense to me I mean I get that some people don't need the power power but at the end of the day having one just makes it a lot easier when you're shopping for trucks whether it be brand new or used here's one of my biggest questions about this update are they going to go back to higher gearing out back I had a 2018 Ram 2500 that truck had a 342 rear end I will admit that truck was sluggish Towing I think the 342 was such a bad idea and I wish they would have offered a 373 in that time frame for sure now I hope they they do that with the power line I hope that they do what Ford does Ford has higher gearing so it comes out with a 331 and you can get a 355 so anyone that wants to run taller tires can choose a slightly lower gear for those taller tires so if you want to go 37s well you don't really change that gearing so much out back right but having that deep first and second and third gear you don't really need the lower gearing out back anymore because the transmission does a lot of the work for you the steps are closer in the transmission cuz you're going from a sixspeed to an 8speed so there's a lot of great advantages now one thing I always hated about the Isen and you guys have seen my videos I've done 0 to 60 tests showing you guys that the 68 feet will beat the Eisen every single time off the line unless you break boost it maybe the Eisen might jump out in front of it but even though the truck has 850 pbet of torque compared to 1,75 and 370 horsepower compared to 420 that truck is faster because there's not as much torque management the reason why the Isen has so much torque management is when it's unloaded speed will damage that transmission because it's a medium duty transmission medium duty trucks are always heavy those trucks out of the gate can be 15 to 20,000 lbs right so it's always under load so you can accelerate fast right out of the gate whereas for the Ford and GM trucks they have that really strong acceleration right off the line they beat this truck unloaded by 2 seconds in some cases so when I say the power line has to bring their aame they really do now I did a video saying I was hoping that Ram would consider maybe doing an 8-speed Isen transmission because there is a heavy duty Transmission in their Arsenal now they would probably have to do some R&D and make it up to the par to handle whatever power numbers that Ram's going to do but I really hope to see a eizen for at least a couple years if they do plan on killing off the as69 RC in this truck but the 68 RP despite what people say about it I know that transmission is going away and it is what it is I'm not going to cry about it it's not that big of a deal but I really hope they can somehow find a way to have two transmission options and have all the power and torque that you would want out of the comments that will pretty much end the video be sure to write a comment down below I want to read you guys' comments on this topic I'm pretty sure someone's going to say this video was clickbait I'm willing to bet that's going to be one of the comments so as opposed to me wasting my time to respond to that here you go Gotti Gotti [Music]

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Length: 11min 56sec (716 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 23 2024