Bloodraven: what’s the three-eyed raven’s secret plan?

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Even before becoming the Three Eyed Raven/Crow, he'd put Littlefinger and Varys to shame in terms of political manipulation.

👍︎︎ 147 👤︎︎ u/cy1763 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Thank you for the silent but confirming inclusion of Hot Pie in the Westerosian Illuminati. I KNEW it.

👍︎︎ 194 👤︎︎ u/doogie92 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Seeing that family tree with all the rich backstories, it's crazy to think that this whole universe all came from one person's imagination. Can't blame GRRM for taking so long on that latest book.

👍︎︎ 561 👤︎︎ u/Ralphylomaniac 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Does anyone know who Alt Shift X actually is? Has he done any interviews or anything?

I'd love to see who's responsible for that soothing, sexy voice.

👍︎︎ 39 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

"Bloodraven is a spooky ... motherfucker"

This is the greatest line delivered by Alt Shift X, ever!

👍︎︎ 77 👤︎︎ u/SirFiras47 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Daemon....aahhhhh fighter of the Night Mon...he's a master of karate and friendship for everyone. DAEMON!

👍︎︎ 25 👤︎︎ u/tuzzgroove 📅︎︎ Feb 28 2018 🗫︎ replies

I love this guy's videos!

👍︎︎ 23 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Tormund fucked the bear on his own accord, thank you.

👍︎︎ 49 👤︎︎ u/Jenksz 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies

Me and a friend have been discussing this for some months. It all started by learning about the ASOIAF=Ragnarok theory. Very detailed write up here.

If you believe the Ragnarok theory then Bloodraven is the perfect fit for Loki, the all-powerful sorcerer. However, part of Loki's lore is obviously that of the trickster so we started thinking about Bloodraven in those terms. What evidence is there that he is up to something sneaky?

In addition to what is in the Alt Shift X video....

  • Old Nan tells Bran as he looks at a crow in season 1, "Don't listen to it. Crows are all liars."

  • Bloodraven is in a cave like Loki in Ragnarok

  • Bloodraven tells Bran "Do you think I wanted to sit here for a thousand years watching the world from a distant as the roots grew through me?" - Bloodraven is literally imprisoned in the cave, like Loki, and needs Bran to escape now that the time is right

  • Bloodraven looks visibly upset when Bran sees that he can affect the past and then answers his questions about it very cryptically - he's not ready for Bran to discover this truth until he takes over his body

  • Summer dies in the cave which is symbolic of the death of Bran himself as Bloodraven begins to take over Bran's body

  • Coldhands tells Bran, "You must learn to control it before the Night King comes....he will find his way to the world of men and when he does, you will be there waiting for him and you will be ready." I find it suspicious that he does not specifically mention "stopping" the Night King but instead just "waiting" - also the "will be ready" could mean that Bloodraven has not completed the process of taking over Bran's body just yet. At this stage, Bran has not become as distant as he is when he arrives in Winterfell.

  • When Bran (now the Three-eyed Raven) discovers the Night King marching on East Watch he says "Ravens...we need to send ravens" I think Bran is helping set into motion the Night King getting the dragon he needs to cross the wall. Bran wasn't scouting to see where the Night King was to simply warn the others. He was scouting to see when the Night King is ready to head south. By sending the ravens to Jon while he is with Daenerys, Bran is planning for Jon and Dany to take some action....like dragons going north of the wall. Unfortunately, the dragons do not come at first so the Night King surrounds the heroes and waits. He could have easily thrown his spears at Jon and the rest of the group and then continued on his march. But instead he waits...anticipating that Daenerys will come to the rescue with the needed dragon.

I've moved on from thinking that Bloodraven is "evil" but like in the video I think he is putting pieces in place whether they be good or bad to bring prophecy to life.

Edit: Apologies....I am trying to format this correctly

👍︎︎ 107 👤︎︎ u/bpmartin 📅︎︎ Feb 27 2018 🗫︎ replies
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This video’s sponsored by Audible – for a free audiobook, visit audible.com/asx. In the Game of Thrones show, the three-eyed raven is a pretty standard character. He’s like Obi-Wan or Dumbledore – a wise old mentor who teaches a hero magic, and then dies. But in the books, he has a rich backstory – he was a warrior who fought his brothers, a spymaster who ruled a kingdom, and a leader of the Night's Watch, who becomes one of the most powerful and mysterious characters in the series. His grand plan involves the old gods and Azor Ahai, Bran Stark and Jon Snow, maybe Daenerys, and Quaithe and even Euron Greyjoy. In the books, he’s called the three-eyed crow – but his real name is Brynden Rivers. Brynden was born one hundred and twenty-five years ago. The King of Westeros back then was Aegon the Fourth Targaryen, a terrible, selfish, lustful king . He was married to his sister Naerys – cause the Targaryens love incest – and they had a son called Daeron. But Aegon took many other women as lovers, and fathered bastard children including Daemon Waters, Aegor Rivers, Shiera Seastar, and Brynden Rivers – the man who would become the three-eyed crow. Brynden was an albino, with pale skin, white hair and red eyes. He had a winestain birthmark on his face that was shaped kinda like a raven – so Brynden was called Bloodraven. Brynden wasn’t as big and strong as his half-brothers , but he was smart , and good with a longbow. Brynden’s half-sister Shiera was famously beautiful – and Brynden and Aegor competed for her love. Shiera chose Brynden as her lover , but Brynden and Aegor came to hate each other – Aegor was called “Bittersteel” . Daemon, meanwhile, was a golden boy who everyone loved – which complicated politics. Cause when King Aegon died, his trueborn son Daeron inherited the throne. But some people preferred Daemon. So with the help of Bittersteel, Daemon rebelled. He took the name Blackfyre, and fought a war against Daeron for the throne. This was the first Blackfyre Rebellion, and it ended with the Battle of the Redgrass Field. Brynden fought for Daeron and the loyalists – he rained arrows on the Blackfyres, killing Daemon and two of his sons . Then Bittersteel attacked and fought a “duel” with Brynden. Brynden lost an eye in this fight – but in the end, Aegor fled . So Brynden helped to save the realm from Blackfyre rebels, but to do it he killed his own half-brother Daemon – kinslaying is a terrible crime in Westeros . But Brynden is willing to bad things for the sake of the greater good – and for the sake of defeating Bittersteel. Bittersteel went east, founded an army called the Golden Company, and plotted with the surviving Blackfyres. King Daeron later died in a plague, so Daeron’s son Aerys became the new king . But Aerys wasn’t much interested in being king – he was obsessed with old books about magic and prophecy . So Aerys chose Brynden to be his Hand of the King – and Brynden basically ruled the realm for him . Brynden was a spymaster, with a huge network of informers. It was said that Bloodraven had a “thousand eyes and one” – the one eye on his face, and the thousand eyes of his spies. Brynden watched for anyone who spoke treason against the Targaryens – or supported the surviving Blackfyres. He was so focussed on the Blackfyres that he ignored an ironborn invasion . And the realm also suffered from drought and other problems. So many people hated Bloodraven – they called him a kinslayer, a bastard, and a “sorcerer” . Cause like Aerys, Brynden was known to study magic . It was said that he and his lover Shiera used sorcery to uncover secrets – and that Brynden could “change his face” or his shape . Which might actually be true. In a Game of Thrones prequel book, Daemon Blackfyre’s son tries to start a second Blackfyre rebellion – but Bloodraven’s spies uncover the plot , with the help of a really suspicious guy called Maynard Plumm . Plumm knows too much, he makes weird references to Bloodraven, and there’s something strange about his face . Plumm disappears from the story just before Bloodraven arrives . So it’s strongly hinted that Maynard Plumm is actually Bloodraven in disguise. Plumm wears a “moonstone brooch” , which suggests that Bloodraven uses a glamour – the same kind of magic that Melisandre uses with her ruby . So there’s truth to these rumours – Bloodraven uses magic to spy and control the kingdom. Years later, there was a Third Blackfyre Rebellion – where Brynden beat Bittersteel again . And after that, King Aerys died, and his brother Maekar became king. Then when Maekar died, there was a succession problem – cause most of Maekar’s children were dead or dumb or– female. So Bloodraven called a big meeting to decide who should be the next king . He even invited a surviving Blackfyre to the council. Bloodraven pinky-promised that he totally wouldn’t kill the Blackfyre when he arrived, and when he arrived, Bloodraven totally killed him . The council chose Aegon the Fifth Targaryen, or Egg, to be king. And the first thing King Egg did was to arrest Bloodraven. Cause if the Hand of the King goes round killing people he promised not to kill, people would stop trusting the government. Brynden argued “that he had sacrificed his own … honor for the good of the realm” . But still, he had to be punished. So he was sent to join the Night’s Watch on the Wall – Maester Aemon joined the Watch at the same time . Brynden eventually became Lord Commander of the Watch, and led them for years, until one day, he went off for a ciggy and never came back – presumed dead beyond the Wall . The next time we see Brynden, it’s fifty years later, when Bran meets him as the three-eyed crow. So what happened? How did this Targaryen bastard become an ancient tree wizard? And what does he want? Magic in Game of Thrones is connected to family heritage, or blood. The Targaryen family, with the blood of Valyria, are connected to dragons and fire magic. The Stark family, with the blood of the First Men, are connected to the old gods, weirwood trees and warging magic. Bloodraven is special because he has the blood of both Valyria and the First Men – his father is a Targaryen, and his mother is a Blackwood. The Blackwood family descend from the First Men, and their heraldry is a weirwood tree – a symbol of the old gods. [] It’s hinted that Brynden was into the old gods from early on. His longbow at the Redgrass Field was made of weirwood . Brynden’s pale skin and red eyes look just like a weirwood’s face, with white bark and red sap eyes. And the rumours that Brynden could transform into a dog and control wolves and spy with crows sounds just like skinchanging powers – like how Bran wargs into animals – maybe young Brynden could that too. He might also have had green dreams – visions of the future like Jojen has . And at the Night’s Watch, Brynden might have seen the threat of the white walkers. [] So Brynden was drawn north, beyond the Wall, to a cave beneath a great weirwood tree. Brynden merged with the weirwood, its roots growing through his body, extending his life, and heightening his power as a greenseer – which means he skinchanges into animals, sees through the eyes of trees, and has visions of future and past . Brynden sat dreaming, watching, and scheming for fifty years, waiting for Bran Stark. [] Apparently, Bran has a special destiny as a greenseer like Brynden . So Brynden visits Bran in dreams in the form of a three-eyed crow, and tells him to fly, to wake his magic , and he sends Jojen to take Bran north . Brynden says Bran is important for the war against the white walkers . And it looks like he’s right – in the show, Bran uses his powers to spy on the walkers with ravens, and he has psychic contact with the Night King . It looks like Brynden succeeds in empowering Bran to fight for life against the night – but Brynden’s influence goes much deeper. When Jon Snow joins the Night’s Watch, Lord Commander Mormont has a pet raven. And the raven speaks – usually just repeating words that it hears, but sometimes it seems to understand what’s happening, and influences the story. When the Watch elects a new Lord Commander, the raven says “Snow, snow, snow”, and lands on Jon’s shoulder – which helps get Jon chosen as leader . The bird often says “King” around Jon – in Book 5, it says “King … Snow, Jon Snow” . And just before that, the raven appears in a dream Jon has, where he fights “dead men” with a burning sword . So what’s happening here? Many readers believe that this raven is controlled from afar by Bloodraven. We do know that he uses birds to spy and enter dreams. So he’s probably using this bird to spy on the Night’s Watch, and to influence Jon. Brynden not only helps Jon lead the Watch, it looks like he wants Jon to be King of Westeros. Which might be why in Season 6, Brynden shows Bran Jon’s birth – as the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, Jon is “the heir to the Iron Throne” . And he has the blood of both the First Men and Valyria, just like Bloodraven. This dream of the dead and a burning sword sounds like Azor Ahai, a hero prophesied to save the world from darkness. Brynden’s interest in this prophecy might come from his Targaryen side. Cause as Brynden says “There have always been Targaryens who dreamed of things to come” – who had visions of the future. And many Targaryens are especially interested in Azor Ahai. Rhaegar was into this prophecy – it might have been why he ran off with Lyanna and fathered Jon. Rhaegar’s parents Aerys and Rhaella got married because a witch said that Azor Ahai “would be born of their line” . Aemon was into this prophecy , and Brynden served with Aemon on the Wall for nineteen years . King Aerys was into prophecy , and Shiera was into “ancient scrolls” . So, much of Brynden’s family was into prophecy, especially Azor Ahai. So it’s likely that Brynden was also into this stuff. With all of his wisdom and visions as a Targaryen and a greenseer, Brynden must have worked out that Jon is probably Azor Ahai, and this explains why Brynden helps him. In fact, this might explain a lot of what Brynden does. Judging by Aerys and Rhaegar’s marriages, it seems that a particular Targaryen bloodline is expected to produce Azor Ahai. Maybe the reason why Brynden was so focussed on stopping the Blackfyres wasn’t just politics or beef with Bittersteel, it was Brynden trying to protect the special bloodline that he believed led to the hero who’d save the world. This might have been why King Aerys refused to have children , why Egg was chosen as King, even why Egg married a Blackwood with the blood of the First Men. This might all have been Bloodraven’s influence, guiding the Targaryens on a hundred-year Bene Gesseritine eugenic quest to breed Azor Ahai. There’s no knowing how deep this goes, but at the very least it looks like Brynden helps Jon because he believes that Jon is the hero Westeros needs – the rightful king, Azor Ahai, the hero who’ll save the world – with the help of the greenseer Bran. Brynden is combining the power of the Targaryens and the old gods, fire and ice, to save the world from the Long Night. But – what about Daenerys? Daenerys obviously has a big part to play in the song of ice and fire. Like Jon, she’s a Targaryen who could fit the prophecy of Azor Ahai, and is making a claim on the Iron Throne. So why doesn’t Brynden help her? Dany spends most of the series in the east, across the narrow sea, which might be Brynden’s blind spot. The magic of greensight seems limited to the lands where weirwoods grow, so Brynden might not know that this distant dragon queen is legit. Or, maybe, Brynden’s already got someone on the job. In Book and Season 2, Daenerys meets Quaithe, a mysterious masked woman who visits Dany in dreams and gives her cryptic advice. There’s a theory that Quaithe is actually Brynden’s sister-lover Shiera Seastar. Both these characters are mysterious magical women associated with stars . [] And of course, Shiera was born a hundred years ago, so like Brynden, she’d need some magic to keep her alive – and as it happens, both Shiera and her mother are said to use magic to preserve their beauty . Maybe Shiera uses magic to extend her life as Quaithe. And the mask Quaithe wears might hide Shiera’s famous beauty. So, there’s no strong evidence here, but it would super cool if Quaithe is Shiera – after all these years still working with Brynden, using sorcery to spy and influence, just as they did in King’s Landing, but now at a greater scale. Brynden watches Jon and Bran in the west, while Shiera watches Dany in the east – the world of ice and fire guided by the most magical and incestuous power couple in the series. Brynden’s influence could really be godlike. He can enter dreams, see through trees, control animals. So it’s possible that Brynden sent these direwolf pups to keep an eye on the Starks . He might have sent the boar that killed King Robert, and the bear that Tormund fucked . The weirwood dream that led Jaime to Brienne . Beric’s magic in that weirwood cave , the Ghost of High Heart . Coldhands and Sam , and Joramun’s Horn – there are a million little ways that Brynden might influence the story … as well as through Dany and Bran and Jon and the last hundred years of Targaryen monarchy. Brynden is the Westerosilluminati, pulling the strings, controlling everything – and it’s all towards the goal of saving the world. So Brynden’s… a hero. A good guy – right? Bloodraven is aa spooky motherfucker. He looks like a “corpse”, a “ghastly statue … of twisted wood, old bone, and rotted wool” , living in a dark cave that is literally littered with skulls. He hangs out with a corpse-man and some creepy forest elves. He tells Bran to “Never fear the darkness”, “Darkness will make you strong” . He often sounds more like the Emperor than like Obi-Wan. So if it looks like a bad guy, and quacks like a bad guy… Is Bloodraven a bad guy? There are theories that he’s secretly evil. Like, maybe Brynden only wants Bran because Brynden’s old body is dying, and he plans to steal Bran’s young body – magic bodysnatching is a thing in Book 5. Others think that Brynden is secretly helping the white walkers wipe out humanity. Melisandre does have a vision of Brynden where she thinks he’s with the evil Great Other . And there is the possibility that Brynden is manipulated by the children of the forest, and their psychic weirwood hivemind – author George Martin has written stories about evil seductive alien hiveminds. [] But what we’ve seen in the text suggests that Brynden is something more interesting than a bad guy – he’s a guy who does bad things for good reasons. He kills his half-brother to end a war. He lies and betrays to keep the peace. He spies, assassinates, manipulates – all for the sake of the realm. So Brynden’s not straight-up evil. He’s something almost scarier – a man who gets good outcomes at any cost. Like, with Bran, Brynden empowers a hero to save the world – but he also lures a crippled eight year old boy on a dangerous journey that kills his friends to change Bran into something he never wanted to become. Bran comes north hoping that Brynden would be a nice wizard who’d “fix his legs” . He never signed up to become a tree boy, but by the time he arrives he hardly has a choice. Brynden manipulates Bran – at one point, he magically edits Bran’s memories so that he forgets Jaime crippling him . Brynden’s agent Coldhands secretly feeds Bran human flesh, and possibly also dead body of Jojen – go watch that video. Also, in the show, a side-effect of Bran’s power is that he becomes robotic and dehumanised – Meera says it’s like Bran died . So, yeah, Brynden does terrible things. But what makes him an interesting character is that he does these bad things for good reasons – he’s trying to save the world. Game of Thrones often explores this idea of ends justifying means. When Stannis considers killing a child to win the realm, he asks “what is the life of one … boy against a kingdom?” And Davos says “Everything” . If we sacrifice our basic humanity and compassion, what kind of world are we even saving? Brynden’s extreme means may lead to unforeseen consequences. In Bran’s dream in Book 1, Bran falls towards spikes of ice, and Brynden tells Bran to “Fly or die” – to force him to wake his magic. Bran succeeds, and flies over the spikes. But he sees “the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled” below. Which might suggest that Brynden has tried to teach magic to other people this way. He has been sitting in his cave for fifty years – maybe in that time, he’s tried other students. [] And one theory suggests that Brynden taught Euron Greyjoy. Euron in the books is a mystical, scary figure – his ship is crewed by mutes, the deck painted red to hide the blood. He has a magic horn called Dragonbinder, and he captures and tortures priests, warlocks, and pregnant women – he’s planning a mass blood sacrifice to transform himself into a Lovecraftian god. “These are the last days”, he says, “when the world shall be broken and remade. A new god shall be born from the graves and charnel pits”. The inspiration for this horrific apocalypse might inadvertently come from Bloodraven. Cause there are hints of a connection between Euron and Brynden. Euron calls himself “the Crow’s Eye” , and his banner is a single red eye crowned by crows – which might refer to the single red eye of Brynden the three-eyed crow. In Book 4, Euron says that when he was a boy, he dreamed that he could fly. That if he just tries, if he leaps from a tower, he might fly . And this is just what happens to Bran – he falls from a tower, and Brynden visits his dream and tells him to try to fly. So maybe Brynden had seen magic potential in young Euron, and made contact hoping to train him as a greenseer. But when he entered Euron’s dream and flung the boy at psychic ice spikes, something went wrong, and Euron went rogue. Maybe seeing the heart of winter, staring deep into the void, broke Euron’s mind somehow. Maybe seeing the threat of the walkers only inspired Euron to bring the Long Night. Maybe this tantalising taste of arcane power led to Euron’s obsession with collecting magic artefacts, warlocks, priests, crowns, and exploiting them to bring about his apotheosis. In the next book, Euron is set to bring some serious grimdark shit on Westeros. And this might not have happened if it weren’t for Bloodraven being so single-minded in his goals that he goes round psychically traumatising children. You can make a similar argument about Brynden’s political career – his harsh control of Westeros may have just fed more discontent and rebellion. So you can see Bloodraven’s character as a criticism of the idea of ends justifying means. Maybe if we forget compassion and caution we may only create more darkness. A lot of Bloodraven’s early history is told in the Dunk and Egg prequel stories, collected in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. It tells the story of the Blackfyre conspiracy uncovered by Bloodraven and Maynard Plumm – plotting and scheming and talking smack a hundred years before the main series. The Dunk and Egg stories are short, self-contained tales of Westeros that take just a few hours to hear on audiobook. You can listen to all of these stories now for free at with a 30-day trial at Audible. Membership gives you a free audiobook each month, and even if you cancel, you keep the books. To sign up, visit audible.com/asx, or text asx to 500-500. Thank you to these artists – links to their work are below. And check out PoorQuentyn, who writes brilliant analysis of Euron’s eldritch apocalypse. Thank you to the Patrons, including Amelie Ruppert, Greg Leask, Kenny Arnold and Knobiknows. Cheers.
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