♪ >> Whoopi: WE ARE BACK WITH BILL MAHER. SUNNY HAS THE FIRST QUESTION. >> Sunny: WELL, I HAD A DIFFERENT QUESTION BUT IT STRUCK ME THAT IN THE FIRST SEGMENT YOU USED THE TERM WOKE AND YOU SAID THAT WOKE IS WHAT WAS SORT OF RUINING EVERYTHING AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE -- >> NO, I DIDN'T SAY RUINING EVERYTHING. I SAID THAT'S WHY TRUMP COULD GET RE-ELECTED. >> Sunny: THE TERM WOKE HAS BEEN IN MY VIEW CO-OPTED BY THE RIGHT AND WEAPONIZED AND BASTARDED SO I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU THE TERM. HISTORICALLY AS YOU KNOW WOKE IS A WORD USED BY THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO NOTE THAT WE MUST BE AWARE OF SOCIAL INJUSTICES. >> BUT WORDS MY GREAT. >> Sunny: WHY IS THAT A BAD THING? >> IT'S NOT A BAD THING AND ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ACTUALLY A GREAT THING. ALERT TO INJUSTICE. WHO IS NOT FOR THAT BUT WORDS DO MY GREAT. NOW I'LL USE ANY TERM YOU WANT. >> Sunny: OKAY. >> BECAUSE MAYBE THAT IS A WORD THAT IS TRIGGERING SO LET'S NOT USE THAT WORD. WANT TO CALL IT THE SUPER FAR LEFT, BUT DON'T TELL ME THE LEFT. >> Sunny: OR MAYBE THE SUPER FAR RIGHT. >> Alyssa: HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT. >> BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE AGREE ABOUT THE DANGER OF THE SUPER FAR RIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH. I THINK THEY'RE THE BIGGER THREAT, BUT DON'T TELL ME THAT THE LEFT HASN'T CHANGED? I MEAN, I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HATED THE JEWS. OKAY? THAT WAS A JOKE, BUT -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> Alyssa: TOO DARK. >> MAYBE IT IS BUT IT'S TRUE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD ANY DOUBT THAT I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENED TO THE LEFT, WATCHING PEOPLE PROTEST FOR A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION LIKE HAMAS, THAT STRAIGHTENED ME UP PRETTY QUICK. >> Joy: YEAH. >> Alyssa: I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK -- YOU'RE ALMOST A FREE SPEECH ABSOLUTIST AND BELIEVE TOTALLY IN SAYING WHAT YOU BELIEVE. A LOT WERE DISTURBED TO SEE FRIST FLAGS ON AMERICAN CAMPUSES AND SEEING THIS -- A GENERATION THAT MAY SOME I THINK GENUINELY CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIANS, MOST AMERICANS DO BUT SOME WHO SEEM TO BE EMBRACING A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OVER THE NATION OF ISRAEL. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS MOMENT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S A RESULT OF AND HOW DO WE FIX IT? >> IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME THEY CAN'T TELL THE GOOD GUYS FROM THE BAD GUYS. I MEAN, JUST MORALLY. I MEAN, LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU'RE FOR HAMAS, JUST LIVE IN GAZA FOR A DAY AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHILE THE WAR IS ON. I MEAN BEFORE THE WAR. TRUST ME, YOU WOULD GO RUNNING AND SCREAMING AND BEGGING TO LIVE IN TEL AVIV. A PLACE THAT HAS YOUR VALUES. I MEAN, WOMEN HAVE NO -- I MEAN, JUST TO SHOW -- A SHOW WATCHED BY A LOT OF WOMEN. WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHTS IN THIS PLACE AND A LOT OF MAJORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. I MEAN, THERE'S NO EQUAL RIGHTS AS FAR AS SPEECH, DRESS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION. >> Joy: NOTHING. >> REPRODUCTIVE RIGHT, FREEDOM FROM SEXUAL VIOLENCE, FREEDOM FROM SEXUAL HARASSMENT. >> Alyssa: THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY. >> YOU -- THAT TOO. BUT YOU THROW AROUND THE TERM APARTHEID, THERE IS A GENDER APARTHEID IN A LOT OF THE WORLD WHERE WOMEN ARE SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS, AT BEST. >> Sunny: ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE INNOCENT CIVILIANS THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTIVELY PUNISHED AND MURDERED LARGELY CHILDREN AND WOMEN AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT JUST TODAY ISSUED A SUBPOENA FOR BIBI NETANYAHU. >> WELL, THAT'S RIDICULOUS, BUT IT'S A WAR. >> Sunny: WHY? >> BECAUSE IT'S A WAR AND THEY WERE ATTACKED AND THEY'RE DEFENDING THEMSELVES. NOW, THIS IS A WAR. DO YOU THINK HAMAS NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED? THIS IS THE QUESTION. >> Sunny: YES. >> YOU DO. >> Sunny: YES. >> HAMAS NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WHO SAY OPENLY THAT THEY WANT TO COMMIT GENOCIDE ON THE STATE OF ISRAEL. THAT'S WHAT FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA MEANS AND DO IT OPENLY. THEY'VE ATTACKED ISRAEL FIVE TIMES AND STARTED FIVE WARS SINCE THEY WERE GIVEN THAT LAND BACK. THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO TURN THAT PLACE INTO ANY PLACE THEY WANTED TO AND THEY TOOK A LOT OF MONEY THAT THEY TOOK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND THEY SPENT IT ON BOMBS AND GUNS AND BUILDING TUNNELS. SO IF THEY NEED TO BE DESTROYED, HOW DO WE DO THAT? IT'S A WAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I ASSUME -- OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN A WAR. HERE'S A WAY TO STOP THAT. STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Joy: AND THE ANNIHILATION OF ISRAEL AND ALL THE JEWS. THEY'RE CALLING FOR THE ANNIHILATION OF THE JEWS SO YOU CAN'T DEFEND THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE VERY EASILY. >> BUT BEFORE WE GO -- >> Whoopi: NO, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE YET. [ LAUGHTER ] >> WE WERE TALKING IN THE BREAK. JOY IS A WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING AND SHE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ATTACK HER BECAUSE SHE SAID THE THING ABOUT THE SWASTIKA ON THE CAP. SHE DOES NOT THINK THAT ALL -- AS YOU SAID TO ME IN THE BREAK, YOU DO NOT THINK THAT ALL THE PEOPLE FOR TRUMP ARE NAZIS. >> Joy: NO, I DON'T. I JUST WANT THEM TO PAY ATTENTION TO WORDS LIKE VERMIN AND POISONING THE BLOOD. >> OF COURSE. >> Joy: AND THE THIRD REICH. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING. >> THEY SEE TRUMP AS A COMEDIAN AND CLOWN WHO -- >> Joy: THEY SAW HITLER LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT, OKAY, BUT YOU CAN HATE TRUMP. YOU CAN'T HATE EVERYBODY WHO LIKES HIM. >> Joy: I HAVE SOME IN MY FAMILY. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NAZIS. >> OKAY, GREAT. I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT -- I D >> Whoopi: WE ARE BACK WITH BILL MAHER SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED WHAT I'VE NOTICED BUT I FIND THAT OFTENTIMES WHEN I'M WATCHING THE NEWS, I'M ONLY GETTING PORTIONS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS, I WAS LISTENING TO YOU TALK ABOUT THE KIDS THAT HAD THE HAMAS FLAGS. IT REMINDED ME OF WHEN PEOPLE WERE SAYING ANTIFA IS THERE, YOU KNOW, AND DOING IT SO BAD PLAYERS SHOW UP AND MAKE STUFF HAPPEN BUT DO YOU FIND THAT THE VIEW THAT WE'RE BEING SHOWN SEEMS TO BE MEANT TO GUIDE US INTO THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE ONE WAY WHEN, IN FACT, IT MAY BE A MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION? >> OH, OF COURSE. I MEAN, THE MEDIA IS ALWAYS GOING TO CHASE WHATEVER IS INTERESTING TO WATCH. I MEAN, I USED TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE NIGHTLY NEWS, FOR EXAMPLE. I CAN'T DO IT. I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IT SHOULD BE CALLED HERE'S SOME VIDEO WE FOUND THAT'S FUN TO WATCH. THAT'S NOT THE NEWS. YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON A PLANE, LIKE, THE PLANE SKIDDED OFF THE RUNWAY. SO WHAT. CALL ME WHEN ANYBODY DIED AND IT'S NOT -- THE DOOR FELL OFF. OKAY. I'M SORRY. >> Whoopi: I UNDERSTAND THE DOOR FALLING OFF BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE UP IN THE AIR. OKAY, I'M SORRY. THAT ONE I NEEDED TO KNOW. OKAY. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. >> Whoopi: I DO. >> THEN BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE LAST SEGMENT, THE BEAR IS IN THE SWIMMING POOL. IT'S JUST NOTHING AND IT'S NARRATIVE OVER TRUTH. YOU KNOW -- I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ON EITHER SIDE OF IT I ALWAYS THINK THEY'RE LYING, THEY'RE JUST TELLING ME HALF OF IT. >> Whoopi: YEAH. >> AND I NEVER TRUST THEM ANYWHERE UNTIL I CHECK OUT THE OTHER HALF. >> Sara: YEP. >> IT'S TEDIOUS. >> Whoopi: YEAH. >> I JUST WANT ONE PLACE AND, OF COURSE, IT'S MY BOOK AND MY SHOW. [ LAUGHTER ] WHERE YOU CAN GET BOTH. >> Sara: YOU WERE ACTUALLY LEADING INTO WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YOUR NEW BOOK, 20 YEARS OF YOUR EDITORIALS RE-EDITED AND REIMAGINED RIGHT IN TIME FOR FATHER'S DAY. >> YES. >> Sara: WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE AWAY FROM READING IT? >> WELL, I THINK -- SEE, I THINK WE'RE TRIBAL NOW WHICH IS NOT GOOD AND I THINK THERE'S FOUR TRIBES BASICALLY THERE'S OLD SCHOOL LIBERALS WHICH I WOULD MOSTLY COUNT MYSELF AS, OLD SCHOOL SURPLUS CONSERVATIVES. >> Sunny: YOU'VE CHANGED THOUGH. >> Whoopi: WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT IN THIS BOOK. I DON'T THINK I HAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SAYING IN THE BREAK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A NEW WORD FOR WOKE, LET'S HAVE A CONTEST BECAUSE THIS IS A WORD THAT'S TRIGGERING, BUT I MEAN THOSE CONCEPTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO, I MEAN, WE USED TO DO -- WELL, YOU DID IT. I WAS A GUEST ON -- WHAT WAS THE HOMELESS SHOW -- >> Whoopi: COMIC RELIEF. >> REMEMBER THAT? GREAT SHOW. >> Whit: YEAH. >> AND HOMELESS WAS A TERM THAT I THOUGHT WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE CALLING THEM BUMS AND VAGRANTS AND HOBOS. HOMELESS. NO -- >> Sunny: IT'S UNHOUSED NOW. >> PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, LIKE, BUT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT ON THE STREET. OKAY. THE LIBERAL VIEW OF THAT WAS FOR COMPASSION SAKE WE'RE THE LIBERALS, WE'RE COMPASSIONATE, LET'S GET THESE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET. THAT'S NOT THE VIEW OF WHATEVER WORD WE COME UP WITH IT THEIR VIEW OF THE HOMELESS THEY'RE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED IN THEIR NATURAL HABITAT. LIVING THEIR BEST LIFE UNDER A BRIDGE. YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME IS CRAZY. THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS I HAVEN'T CHANGED ON THAT I STILL THINK WE SHOULD GET THESE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET. THAT'S THE COMPASSION PART. I DIDN'T CHANGE. THEY CHANGED AND THERE'S LOT OF EXAMPLES OF THAT. >> Joy: THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THE MEDIA GIVING ONE SIDE AS SHE SAYS. IT'S THE REASON WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT BIDEN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS BECAUSE IT'S TOO BORING TO SAY HE FIXED THE INFRASTRUCTURE. HE FIXED THE ECONOMY. >> Whoopi: IT'S NOT SEXY. THEY KNOW THAT YOU-KNOW-WHO IS GOING TO MAKE CHAOS. THEY KNOW IT BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW WHO IS NOT MAKING CHAOS RIGHT HERE, HE'S NOT MAKING CHAOS. >> OKAY. >> Whoopi: OUR THANKS TO BILL MAHER. HIS NEW BOOK, "WHAT THIS COMEDIAN SAID WILL SHOCK YOU" IS OUT NOW, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, Y'ALL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF IT? [ CHEERS ] >> W
