ACCUSED YOU OF BEING RACIST? >> CRITICIZE A PERSON'S COLOR REGARDLESS OF CREDIBILITY OF YOUR ACTIONS, UNFORTUNATELY TONIGHT WOYOU'LL BE KRITSIZED. THAT WAS THE CATALYTIC MOMENT. DECEMBER 10th, DECEMBER 9th, THAT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING. AND TWO DAYS LATER THE HARVARD BOARD SAID, WE'RE WOO UNANIMOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF PRESIDENT GAY, AND THEN THIS WHOLE PLAGIARISM THING KIND OF ERUPTED. SORT OF OUT THERE, AND THEN MORE AND MORE FINDINGS WERE FOUND, AND I REPOSTED THESE FINDINGS, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, I WAS HAPPY TO LEAVE FOR ANY REASON. FAILED TO CONVINCE THIS BOARD ON LEADERSHIP, ON MORAL CLARITY, ON ANTI-SEMITISM ON CAMPUS, AND THEN THIS PLAGIARISM THING STARTED TO GET LEGS. IT'S NOT LIKE I DISCOURAGED IT. I DIDN'T LOOK FOR IT. FOUND BY OTHERS, IN FACT, THOUGHT IT WAS DISAPPOINTING THAT SHE, WHAT PERCEPTION THAT THE CATALYST FOR RESIGNATION WAS PLAGIARISM AS A FAILURE TO ADDRESS ANTI-SEMITISM. >> ASK YOU ABOUT PLAGIARISM CHARGES, HOWEVER. NOW YOU'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE AND YOUR WIFE IS ACCUSED OF PLAGIARISM HERSELF. >> SURE. >> YOU HAVE DISPUTED THAT IT IS PLAGIARISM. YOU'VE ARGUED AROUND THE IDEA AND DEFINITION OF PLAGIARISM. ABLE TO CITE SOMEBODY NOT PUT QUOTE MARKS AROUND IT. ACCUSED YOUR WIFE OF, BUSINESS INSIDERS. ARGUES SIMILAR TO WHAT CLAUDINE GAY HAD BEEN DOING. DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW NOW OF THIS? >> SURE. SO PLAGIARISM IS FRAUD, AND IN AN ACADEMIC CONTEXT. IT'S THE MOST AGGRESSIVE, THE MOST DAMAGING THING YOU CAN DO TO A PROFESSOR OTHER THAN ACCUSING THEM OF SOME KIND OF RAPE OR 0 SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR VIOLENT CRIME. SO IT'S MAYBE SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THAT. SO IT'S A VERY SERIOUS CRIME, AND IT IS, FOR THAT REASON, WHEN A PROFESSOR IS ACCUSED OF PLAGIARISM, IT'S A VERY SERIOUS PROCESS THAT GOES UNDER WAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PLAGIARISM. IT DOESN'T TAKE SIX MONTHS. A TYPICAL PERIOD FOR ASSESSING A PROFESSOR COMMITTED PLAGIARISM TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE WAS A FOOTNOTE OR QUOTATION MARKS. IT'S AN INTENT. A PROFESSOR INTENTIONALLY STEALS SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEAS, AND ONE IS HOW -- USING SOMEONE ELSE'S WORDS OR NOT PUTTING A FOOTNOTE. THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT AN OVERSIGHT OR IS THAT INTENTIONALLY A THEFT? THINGS WANT TO LOOK AT IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, TRYING TO GET INTO THE MIND OF THE PERSON, IS HOW PERVASIVE IS IT? RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW TODAY WHETHER CLAUDINE GAY COMMITTED PLAGIARISM OR NOT. I HAVEN'T DONE A SIX-MONTH ASSESSMENT. >> OUT THERE ON TWITTER SAYING SHE PLAGIARIZED SHOULD NOME BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY WHEN IN FACT SHE STEPPED DOWN AND MADE HER A MEMBER OF THE FACULTY YOU RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BASED ON THE PLAGIARISM ACCUSATION ITSELF? >> WHAT I SAID WAS, I SAID, IN LIGHT OF HER, WHAT HAS BEEN REVEALED ABOUT HER ACADEMIC RECORD AND WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT PLAGIARISM, I DON'T THINK SHE'S QUALIFIED TO SERVE ON THE FACULTY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT, WHICH, AGAIN, I NEVER FOCUSED ON CLAUDINE GAY'S RECORD OR PLAGIARISM. I LEARNED SHE PUBLISHED 11 ARTICLES. NOT A DISSERTATION. 11 ARTICLES IN JOURNALS AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD, IF YOU'RE IN THE FIELD OF SOCIAL SCIENCES, IT'S, THAT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL, VERY LIMITED ACADEMIC RECORD. SIX OF THOSE 11 PAPERS HAD 51 MISSING QUOTATIONS, YOU KNOW -- IF YOU WILL, WORDS, STILL, I WOULD SAY THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, AND A POINT AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, HER ACCUSERS WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN PLAGIARIZED FROM. THIS WORM CAROL SWAYNE, A MEMBER OF THE FACULTY PROFESSOR ACADEMIC IN HER SAME FIELD. SAID, SHE TOOK MY WORK. MAYBE SOME -- THOSE WORDS PLUS THE RECORD. SAYING THAT YOU'RE REWARDING HER WITH A $900,000 A YEAR CAN PROFESSORSHIP. REALITY, THAT WAS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT. I SAID SO. BUT MY ACTIVISM ON CLAUDINE GAY, I WANT TO DISTRACT FROM THE FACT, WAS ABOUT JUST YESTERDAY. I JUST TWEETED THIS OUT. A 73-PAGE COMPLAINT KIND OF LEVELLED AT HARD VARD. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO READ THIS. I LEARNED ABOUT, WENT TO CAMP ITS, A BASICALLY 50 PAGES OF ANTI-SEMITIC ACTS ON CAMPUS. A BIT LIKE NEW YORK CITY. WHEN NEW YORK CITY WAS A CRIME-INFESTED PLACE AND GIULIANI SHOWED UP, THE GOOD VERSION OF GIULIANI, HE INSTITUTED WHAT PEOPLE TALL CALLED BROKER WINDOWS THEORY. CRACKED DOWN ON EVEN SMALL VIOLATIONS LIKE THE SQUEEGEE GUYS. WHAT HAPPENED AT HARVARD THE PROTESTERS TESTED THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN INCREMENTALLY STARTED VIOLATING MORE AND MORE AND MORE RULES AND NO CONSEQUENCES. THAT'S WHY THEY FELT COMFORTABLE GOING INTO UNIVERSITY HALL. >> YOU ARE NOW PLANNING TO, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY BEGUN, EFFECTIVELY SCRUBBINGED RECORDS OF PROFESSORS EVERYWHERE ESPECIALLY AT M.I.T., CAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST YOUR WIFE CAME FROM? >> NO. THAT'S A BIGGER POINT. 0ING? BRIEFLY ON PLAGIARISM. PLAGIARISM IS FULL FRAUD. DEPENDS ON THE INTENT AND DEGREE TO SOME EXTENT AND GETTING BACK TO NARY. HER THESIS, 330 PAGES. A BUSINESS INSIDER FOUND FOUR PARAGRAPHS, OKAY, WHERE SHE HAD USED WORDS AND GAVE PROPER ATTRIBUTION WITHOUT QUOTATION MARKS AND ONE SENTENCE MISSED AN ATTRIBUTION. BY THE WAY, THIS SAME PERSON MISSED FOR THIS REFERENCED EIGHT OTHER TIMES AND PROPERLY RESHSED THAT PERSON. STICK WITH ME. ANDREW, IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S MY WIFE. IF I'M AN ACADEMIC PANELIST ASSESSING THIS OUT OF 2,700 PARAGRAPHS 4, HADN'T ATTRIBUTION, CLEARLY NOT THEFT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THOSE WORDS. NOT QUOTING SHAKESPEARE AND ONE SENTENCE. NO ONE'S GOING TO CON TCLUDE TH FRAUD. THAT INCLUDES INTENT. NOT EVEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF HER THESIS. ALL RIGHT? THAT'S NERI. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ONCE WE FINISH THIS INTERVIEW HOW MANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE M.I.T. FACULTY HAVE THIS PROBLEM. IF PLAGIARISM FINDING A DUZ PARAGRAPHS WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION AND 300 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FACULTY, MAKES NO SENSE. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, PANEL A GROUP OF TOP SCHOLARS, AND LET'S COME UP WITH A DESKS OF PLAGIARISM THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MAKES SENSE AND BY PROVING A POINT, BY SHOWING -- STANDARD IS FIND A MISSED FOOTNOTE YOU'RE A PLAGER IZIZER. WHAT BUSINESS INSIDERS SAID, FOUND FOUR PARAGRAPHS AND A FOOTNOTE. SO NERI THE DISSERTATION IS MARCH MAED BY PLAGIARISM. NERI SAID THEY'RE RIGHT. THERE WERE FOUR PARAGRAPHS AND ONE SENTENCE, THE NEXT STORY THEY WROTE, IT IS NERI
