BIG TURBO EVEN BIGGER POWER!

[Music] hmm [Music] hey everybody i'm steve norris you're at steve morris engines kyle's on the phone here doing the uh recording and today we are going to be actually for the last couple days we've been dying away in this engine for mike burtinelli uh mike is a new customer of ours that was sent over by an existing customer jake rodriguez who does a lot of stuff with us and uh anyways this thing has been a problem child for mike from the beginning and we did not build this originally but we have gone into it and fixed some things and so currently uh as we understand it hasn't made it off the dyno making more than 1600 horsepower yet uh we're well above that right now and uh uh we are still using the vast majority of all of his hard parts the only thing we have changed and done our piston and rod package uh but otherwise we've left everything else the same repaired things uh fixed some valve training issues fixed some geometry issues done some stuff like that because that's what it was breaking on the dyno so we're still using uh it's 540 cubic inch still using his dart block rfd cylinder head so conventional style cylinder head uh has our piston and rod package and we're actually his cam shaft that he had in it was pretty darn close so i didn't feel it was worth changing that does have now our billet intake manifold versus a single cast four-barrel manifold which is some of his old stuff over there with an elbow on it and we are able to use his entire hot side so he sent us his entire hot side uh this is using a 118 precision turbo so big billy bad boy big turbo um we've had it's a wet sump motor so pretty normal there uh we did have to change over a couple things in electronics too uh we're using fuel tech on this uh we love the fuel tech system that's why i have it in my wagon this fuel tech and uh definitely love that so now this is single injector too and i mentioned the single injector even though i have a dual injector intake manifold on it so i put a dual injector intake manifold on it so yeah he could upgrade later and if he ever wanted to we could even lean on it harder uh if we start to exceed the single injector that's there or if you want to swap it over to methanol because this is on e100 so i don't have any any experience except for this motor on e100 and when i say e100 i mean this is pure drinkable ethanol and it is it is pretty good i'm impressed i think it is it looks to be very similar to what methanol is so at least for horsepower numbers and whatnot um so we got the single injector with some trying to show everything oh so now this is uh obviously the other thing that says make making this quite good is that rarely if ever do you intercool methanol and technically we don't need to intercool the e85 i'm sorry it's the e100 we don't need to intercool e100 um but it is better to do it anytime you could intercool something and make cooler inlet air temperature it will make more horsepower why generally don't we intercool methanol um it is it is mandated nhra rules dictate that you can't run an intercooler and methanol so that is uh one of that's an nhra safety deal uh why that is i don't know but that is why it is and we don't need to you can make as much we can make as much horsepower as we need to um so adding an inner cooler to it doesn't really add anything to the program we're already making more horsepower than what the cars realistically can use so adding an intercooler to it just makes more horsepower that you can't use you follow right and then so that our mass air temperature in the intake manifold doesn't really matter then just because of the octane rating of methanol and then the cooling effect that it has on the air correct yeah so it doesn't doesn't really need it's not like gas where it has to have that yeah gas is a different deal uh the methanol does not need it has its own cooling effect it's more tolerant to it it would be better so just like what this is in this lower in this kind of application this lower boost lower horsepower range he already has the intercooler in the car so we're simulating what he has it just it allows it to make more horsepower per pound of boost but if you were doing a maximum horsepower deal all things said and done most people are not going to want to add 100 pounds to the car which is what you would have to do so uh being a water to air intercooler the correct way of doing this is uh just like here well the car would have a tank we simulate an ice tank that's in the car with a great big water ice tank for the diner so every drag car will have a water ice tank usually a five gallon ice tank five to seven gallon ice tank that's in the car and every pass you're putting about 30 pounds of ice in it because every pass so every six seven seconds that thing will eat about 30 pounds of ice all right so i don't want to sit here and just keep on adding ice every every time i make a dino pole i just have a great big bucket that holds a lot of water a lot of ice so i don't have to continue to do that so i saw some questions and comments uh people not understanding what the water bucket was all about thinking that was not realistic but it is realistic it's the correct way of doing it and uh that's what we need to do to to keep it a consistent dynoing temperature in the intercooler so this does make more horsepower because of the intercooled e100 and the turbo is in a really efficient good spot where it moves a lot of air and it doesn't take uh isn't taking a bunch of back pressure it's not it it's in a big efficiency spot in the motor right there or in the turbo right there so uh that's just some good tech for you on how that all works um but it's a pretty nice good setup and i like to use the customer's hot side uh just because uh it gives us a little more accurate information to give it back to him at so we are going to uh run this on the e100 that's what he's going to race it on and then we're going to run it on regular pump gas so we'll turn the boost down and we'll turn the timing down and we'll just run this thing on uh regular pump gas 91 93 octane doesn't matter which because the low boost drive around the street you can't ever put enough load on these things in order to make them detonate or do anything all it does is just blow the tire off so anybody that's ever driven anything that makes 2 000 horsepower on the on the street knows that there is no like literally on the street you know driving up and down the highway there is no hooking it up it's a good way of running into the ditch okay so it just blows the tire off no matter what you do doesn't really hook up um so that's why uh they can just run around on 91 92 87 i really don't care uh if you're erasing it that's different if you were racing it and doing like a pump gas drags or something like that that'd be different we would uh tune a little bit differently for that but just driving it these things are just drive around perfectly well um so anyways we are going to go show you some numbers we're gonna uh he needs to make 2 000 horsepower tires so when we get this he sends this or when we send this back to him we know that jake is gonna put it on his chassis dyno and uh so this thing needs to make two thousand horsepower at the tire and uh so i think we're looking pretty good right now and uh we'll go out we'll run this thing show you that and then we'll do the conversion over to pump gas and then we'll uh make some pulls on that at a much lower level and we'll kind of let jake over there tailor how much horsepower it makes on the street so anyways let's uh go out make a run on this thing and i'll show you all the numbers [Music] [Music] so [Music] so now hopefully the uh sound wasn't too awful bad there but you didn't see that um it's stalled right at the end right there at the end of the pole so what happens is that the absorber back here um so the engine that the the absorber is applying full load so all the water is being in the absorber and it is trying to put full load on it you pull back on the throttle the engine basically shuts off but there's so much water and so much load on the dyno that it's just residual like it can't shut off fast enough so it's just uh the dyno has a whole bunch of load on it it can't get all the water out of the brake before the engine is done running so it's pretty common that they'll sometimes shut off and actually what we are doing is uh kyle just pulled back on the throttle probably a little too fast because if you pull back on the throttle a little bit slower kind of like a d cell just a little bit slower it does give the absorber time to get all the water out of it but that's why it stalls at the end of the poles sometimes so let's go out and take a look at numbers all right so uh i think we're pretty good 25 36 at 7 900. it's still climbing and uh 1693 so we're definitely still climbing because we're probably still make uh in fact i know i am we're still climbing on boost so let's take a look at our boost numbers [Music] yeah so that is just it it's almost not even logical but it is right um what because we're in that really sweet efficient spot for that motor combination and for that amount of air flow so it is moving a lot of air that turbo is moving a lot of air there's not a lot of restriction there it's using that air making a lot of horsepower now uh like exactly like i said this does absolutely 110 i promise you beyond a reasonable doubt there is no doubt about it if we made 40 pounds of boost to this thing it would not make 5000 horsepower i promise you it would probably be uh oh here is here it probably starts leveling off quite a bit uh like 40 pounds of boost 40 pounds of boost would probably be just a tick over 3000 maybe 31 3200 horsepower or something like that but that is like really good right there and it's all because of efficiency and just just a very sweet spot in the motor right there um good rpm range it's it is just a really happy happy spot in that motor so obviously that thing is going to make 2000 horsepower at the tire pretty easily and uh that's a really good combination so uh big 118 millimeter turbo that is pretty nice piece uh the e100 intercooled is really efficient way to go that's really pretty interesting deal so we're going to uh uh actually i'll have kyle uh convert this over we're gonna put regular pump gas in it and start working on this tune in the pump gas version and we'll show you that thing next actually before a uh uh while kyle is swapping that whole thing over pump gas i'll uh show you the data log and uh so this thing is is nice and pretty darn stout so this is uh right here at the top side to give you good illustration numbers and some of your math guys that like to know this stuff so that is uh let's go over here that is 7 900 rpm uh target af or afr that was uh 18.61 7.6 7.4 or actually i'm sorry that's target so 7.4 our timing but the number that really matters right there is a and that e100 is 1502 pounds per hour of fuel so you run the math on that and uh that is if it was gasoline that would be basically enough fuel for 3 000 horsepower and then uh minus about basically uh 30ish percent of course it's pretty darn efficient being intercooled which is i think i think that intercooler uh being intercooled with that um being in a real sweet spot in the turbo right there is where we're just really efficient so um yeah that's definitely enough not enough fuel for typically for about 20 um let's see here's 25 so that would be uh let's see well 10 would be 250 30 750 7000. yeah that's about enough fuel for like 2300 horsepower typically we're at 25 but uh i think that intercooler is really making the difference allowing our efficiency to be much higher i can see here the o2s are nice and super tight right there both together boost you know nice climbing up o2 correction was minimal uh 1.69 yeah less than less than 10 percent all along the scale i'll bring that line up for you that's that light blue line so real minimal o2 correction looks nice that's a that's a really solid square piece right there so kyle's in there swapping fuel over and we'll uh come right back all right so kyle's got this swapped over to gasoline just regular gasoline from the pump premium whatever okay uh it doesn't remember it doesn't matter for what we're doing here and this is so low boost uh and we're it's just a really base uh base tune up on pump gas so what we did do though was um in any of these cars uh drag and drive type cars that have a water to air intercooler uh you're not um they're driving down the road for hours at a time and the intercooler obviously you're not keeping ice in it so the intercooler actually just sits there and it just keeps on making warm water it just makes hot water it is the way it is there's a uh when we have a self-contained ice can ice box intercooler system there's no way to keep icing and you're not gonna change it over and make it make it into a heat exchanger system it it's just a waste of time so what we did was we disconnected all of the water from this we've made some poles and and the intercooler is i don't know it's probably about 100 degrees right now or so at best and so that would give us will give us probably about like 120 degree 100 well i think back it probably end up being about 140 degree inlet air temperature so we don't have the intercooler hooked up so that's more close to what it would be doing just driving down the road because like i said just driving down the road these cars aren't cycling the intercooler it's just it's just going through there and just driving like it was non-intercooled and we have also taken off all the boost control so it is just running on the wastegate so seven ish pounds of boost right around there and uh ninety octane fuel 93 octane fuel and just to be a nice easy low timing low boost pull but it's still in this really sweet spot it's just it just makes a lot of horsepower still even on pump gas um so let's go out there and run it we'll take a look at numbers oh and by by the way i'm sorry uh on the e100 uh i do think we just happened to have e100 uh he wanted us to test it on e100 and more than likely you're gonna only be able to find e98 which is fine and i believe the e98 is probably identical so don't get all hung up on the e100 thing i probably made a bigger deal out of it than what i should have but uh the e 98 uh intercooled e98 the whole thing just the same uh is it's pretty pretty interesting stuff so let's go make a run on this thing and pump gas and we'll look at those numbers so and like i said it is just a it's just in a sweet spot in these lower horsepower lower boost ranges it just makes lots of horsepower uh 1296 horsepower 6800 rpm the interesting thing is how much the boost it's making right there take a look at that and uh look here that is at seven pounds of boost so that is that is pretty wicked cool um real nice piece climbs right up there and i got it controlling up here pretty decent and uh you know as far as timing we got a lot of timing out of it so this is just trying to be the super safe nice easy uh pump gas combo so i think that is a pretty good for mike um they would just be working on you know street drive tune uh some other stuff that i can't simulate here on the uh on the engine dyno but um that is a pretty nice piece um that big 118 uh turbo is a pretty good deal so i'm steve morris have a great day [Music]

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Length: 22min 38sec (1358 seconds)

Published: Thu Jul 14 2022