Hey, it’s Marie Forleo and you are watching
MarieTV, the place to be to create a business and life you love. If you or anyone you know has ever struggled
with sadness or loss or depression, my guest today is here to share an enlightening perspective
on its deeper meaning in our lives. Marianne Williamson is an internationally
acclaimed spiritual author and lecturer. Marianne has been a popular guest on shows
like Oprah, Larry King Live, Good Morning America, Charlie Rose, and Bill Maher. Six of her eleven published books have been
New York Times Bestsellers. The mega-bestseller, A Return to Love, is
considered a must read. Marianne’s other books include The Law of
Divine Compensation, The Age of Miracles, Everyday Grace, A Woman’s Worth, Illuminata,
Healing the Soul of America, A Course in Weight Loss, The Gift of Change, and A Year of Miracles. Her newest book, Tears to Triumph: The Spiritual
Journey from Suffering to Enlightenment, is available now. Marianne is a native of Houston, Texas and
is the founder of Project Angel Food, a meals on wheels program that serves homebound people
with AIDS in the Los Angeles area. To date, Project Angel Food has served over
10 million meals. Marianne also co-founded The Peace Alliance
and serves on the board of The Results Organization, working to end the worst ravages of hunger
and poverty throughout the world. Marianne, thank you so much for making time
to be here. Thank you for having me. I want to acknowledge, once again, I know
you’ve been on the show before and we only did audio because we had some challenges with
the video. But thank you for the work that you do in
the world. Right back at you. I’ve told you this… Thank you. ...it just… it always makes such a difference
to me and I’m always so excited when you have a new book coming out, which today… It’s an honor when you say that. Thank you. Tears to Triumph. Read the full thing. It is extraordinary. Thank you. You’ve been counseling people for over 30
years… Yes. ...in some very serious situations. Indeed. You’ve also had dark nights of the soul
yourself. Tell us about what inspired you to write this
book now. Well, actually, why I decided to write the
book, I ran for Congress a couple of years ago. And after the election, a few days afterwards,
I was being interviewed by Maria Shriver and she asked me if I was sad. And I said, “No, I’m not sad.” She said, “Really? You’re not sad at all?” I said, “No, you know, somebody… you don't go into a political election knowing
you’re going to win. Somebody’s going to win, somebody’s going
to lose. So I’m not sad, I’m… whatever.” She said, “Really? You’re not just a little bit sad?” She said, “I had a cousin who ran for Congress
and lost and it was just devastating for him for a long time.” And I just… “No, it’s not sad.” And then about 2 or 3 days later I think,
I was actually sitting in my apartment and it was like a black wave, huge wave, was coming
at me like a tsunami. And I knew it. There was no mistaking it. And I had been through it once, very, very
terrible time in my life, a tragic time in my life decades before. But also, we all go through our dark nights
of the soul. And I think also, suffering gives you x-ray
vision into other people’s sufferings. So, for instance, like when you were talking
about my work. My career began right smack dab in the middle
of the AIDS crisis. And so from the very beginning of my work,
applying these principles in the lives of people in often catastrophic situations has
been core to my experience. Now, what I have seen though in the last few
years, what we’ve all seen, is that it’s almost like we’ve begun to make being deeply
sad wrong. Something has happened in our society where
what I think of as a normal spectrum of human suffering, if you take a risk and really put
yourself into it and many people back you and support you and then you fall flat on
your face, of course you're going to be depressed about this for a while. If you are diagnosed with a serious disease,
of course you’re going to be depressed about this for a while. If you go through a painful divorce, of course
you’re going to be in pain for a while. But those pains are not a mental illness. And what I’ve seen in the last few years
is so many people who are on antidepressants, who are on pharmaceuticals when if you ask
them why, describe situations that are depressing but in a way that is part of life. And this is particularly disturbing and I
think all of us should be very aware of this. The FDA itself has warned, and does warn,
for people 25 and younger, antidepressants can increase, not decrease, the suicide risk. We have huge increase in suicides, we also
have huge increase in antidepressant use. So I don't see the causal relationship. I’m not saying there’s a causal relationship
between taking them and committing suicide, but neither am I saying that we’ve proven
that there’s a causal relationship between taking them and not. So I think there’s been a pathologizing
of normal human suffering that is very unhealthy in my experience and in the experience of
many people that I’ve worked with and spoken to. A dark night of the soul is some of the most
transformative times that we go through in our lives. They are sacred initiations. You learn things. That’s what’s so painful. What’s so painful is you have to look at
things that are so painful to look at. You have to look at your failure, you have
to look at your part in your own disasters. You have to look at your own mortality, you
have to grieve the loss of a loved one or the loss of a marriage or a love affair. But I think that the psyche has an immune
system just like the body does. If you’re in a car accident, you go through
something and it’s understood it’s gonna take a while to heal. Your body is bruised. And we often feel, everybody knows this, you
know, you go through a rough time and you feel like you’re bruised emotionally because
you are. But humanity would not have evolved over the
last however many thousands, hundreds of thousands of years were we not imbued with the capacity
to take a hit. And that’s true not only physically, but
also emotionally and psychologically. Catastrophes didn't just start happening. Heartbreak didn't just start happening. Grief didn't just start happening. And in our really arrogance, the modern mind
has decided that it can do better than certain natural systems. And we know with our bodies to work with your
immune system, and yet with a lot of the over medication that’s applied in America today,
we’re trying to sort of override the immune system. And the psychic immune system, much like the
physical immune system, involves taking time. You’re gonna be sad for a while. You’re gonna be depressed for a while. A lot of people say, “Oh, no, you know,
Williamson, you know, don't tread there. This is a physical disease. We see there’s a chemical imbalance in depression.” But I ask you, do you know anyone who has
been clinically diagnosed as depressed that they gave a blood test to or some kind of
brain test to see all this chemical change in their brain? No. Clinical… the diagnosis of clinical depression is a
questionnaire. And when you look at that questionnaire, I
don't know anybody who can’t look at some of those and go, “Yes, I’ve been there.” Yes. So I think that it’s extremely important
that we not stay to a corner of thinking. Look, I have as much respect for biomedical
research as anyone does. I’m not saying… and I’m not saying that
there’s no place for psychotherapeutic drugs, bipolar situations, schizophrenia, and so
forth, but not within the spectrum of normal human suffering that we’ve begun to pathologize
in this country. And so I think that if I’m talking to a
therapist or a doctor who does not factor the soul into their calculation and I think
that it’s a soul disease, it’s a spiritual disease, who… they’re saying what am I
to tread on medical ground? I’m challenging the assertion that this
is medical ground and who are you to tread on spiritual ground? This is an ancient malady called the dark
night of the soul. And if you look, the three spiritual traditions
that I looked at in the book: Buddha, the story of Moses and the exodus, and Jesus. They, like all great religious and spiritual
systems, have the issue of human suffering at their core. Buddha said life is suffering. That’s the essence of suffering. He says that is what I teach, that life is
suffering, and I teach the cessation of suffering through the realization, he said, that the
things of this world can only bring temporary happiness. Well, you and I live in a culture that says
if we’re unhappy, we need to get this or get that or get that or get that. Buddha says the very fact you think you need
this to make you happy is your setup for despair. And then in the story of the exodus, the whole
point is that God sent Moses to deliver the Israelites from their suffering as slaves,
and the suffering of the Israelites in their journey to the promised land. And then, of course, the suffering of Jesus
on the cross. So it’s not like the spiritual traditions
don't have anything to add. And so I wanted to write a book where people
might feel, hopefully will feel, some guidance and some illumination as to how to navigate
these times, not to run away from these times. You know, somebody was telling me the other
day that buffalos when they see a storm coming, they don't turn around. They run right into it. That they know that that’s… and I heard
that before I wrote the book or I would’ve put it in. That they know that the best way to get through
it is to go right into it. And I think there are certain times in life,
and I felt that with this last one in my life. This is coming. This is… this is… this couldn’t be avoided
no matter what. You’re gonna have to look at this, you’re
gonna have to do some deep forgiveness of yourself and others and taking responsibility
in all those things or else you will come out of this more, do they say, bitter rather
than better. Yeah. You know, cramped rather than expanded. And I think when you’re younger, one of
the things that’s so disturbing to me about this with young people is not only the physical
aspect, which is that 25 and younger antidepressants increase, can increase the risk of suicide,
the FDA has said this. It’s written in a little black box, but
nobody talks about it. But I think the 20s are hard. Yes. I mean, it’s just… it’s hard. So in young people being depressed is like,
yeah, honey, this is called becoming who you are. And then in older people you’re depressed
because of who you’ve become. So, you know, on both sides it’s like the
dark days are part of the natural order and transformative process I think. So I can even hear someone in the audience
saying, “Oh, Marianne, this sounds amazing but I actually am on antidepressants right
now.” What would you say to them? Oh, thank you for mentioning that because
I think it’s so important. I am not a medical doctor and I would never
suggest with any pharmaceutical that you just go throw it in the wastebasket. My whole point is we should be far more sober
about how we get on them and we should certainly be sober about how we get off. So if anybody is feeling with this conversation
that is articulated not just by me but by others as well, and do feel that they would
like to move away from pharmaceutical treatment of their depression, obviously you should
only do this under the supervision of a doctor who tells you how best to do that. So according to many experts, you know, clinical
depression is being alarmingly overdiagnosed and overtreated. Why do you think that our suffering has become
such a profit center? Surely you don't really… you’re not really without the answer. Any of us who think about this are with the
answer. It’s what I call the psychotherapeutic pharmacological
industrial complex. Yes. We’re talking about billions of dollars
here. Another one that you hear a lot is a lot of
young women, girls even, who are not even in their… not even sexually active yet taking
birth control pills to, quote on quote, regulate their hormones. What is this regulate your hormones? Nature has been regulating our hormones for
hundreds of thousands of years. Yeah. What is going on here? Another thing I find interesting in terms
of our community, Marie, is there’s so many people who don't want to touch gluten, don't
wanna put… ooh, I wouldn’t want those chemicals in my gut, who don't seem to transfer
that into chemicals in your brain so casually. Yeah. What is that about? And you have something else in the book that
is really interesting and I… you say the place… “That which is placed on the altar is altered.” Yeah. “And a prayer for a miracle is not a request
that the situation be different, but a request that we see it differently.” Right. And then I love that you also juxtaposed that
with, you know, for someone who is in deep pain right now, because there will be people
watching who are very hopeful and you say, you know, when your spouse has left you after
25 years, where's the miracle in that? When your child has died from a drug overdose,
where’s the miracle of that? Right. What is your response, this idea that what
you place on the altar will be altered? And when they’re feeling that deep…? First of all, I think we need to recognize
that if someone you love has died or a painful divorce or anything along that line, of course
you’re sad. You’re sad because you’re human. So the goal shouldn’t be to just flatline
our emotions. That’s the first thing. To know… I know when I was young, grief
was more permitted. There was more emotional permission for grief. People would wear… immediate family members
would wear black for a year… now, you know, we all wear black all time,
but this was before. And even Jews still, you take a piece of black
material, cloth, and you wear it. And in [inaudible], the Jewish book of wisdom,
it actually talks about how during the first year after the death of an immediate family
member, the widow or widower or parent or child is allowed to leave the meal during… leave the dinner during the meal. In other words, there were societal prescriptions,
which is extremely important because if you allow your grief, then when it ends it ends. And if you don't allow it or you suppress
it, it’s gonna bite you. So that’s the first thing, to know that
this is a painful time but it will pass. That’s but it will pass. And that’s where the religion comes in or
when I say religion I’m not talking about exoteric dogma, doctrine, institution, organized. I’m talking about the genuine religious
experience. And that is where you’re talking about putting
something on the altar. The altar is in the mind. When you put something on the altar you’re
saying, “I am willing for this situation to be reinterpreted,” by the Holy Spirit
or whatever name you give to those… that internal guidance system, which is not of
this world. So, once again, spiritual disease, spiritual
solution. Spiritual solution means coming not from an
external source but from an internal source. And from an internal source that is beyond
your own. So someone has died. It’s the difference between I am grieving,
life is over, I will never see them again, physical death is the end, which is a torment
that never ends, versus this being with them in physical incarnation is over, that my grief
is understandable. This is not a sign of a lack of mental health,
it’s a sign of love. That the book of life never ends. A chapter has ended. Physical death is not the ending but a continuation. I will see them again. I have more to do while I’m here. They’re still here. Death does not exist. What God created cannot be uncreated. They’re still broadcasting, my set just
doesn't pick that up. I still grieve during the season of my grief,
but with a peace, not barbed wire, around my heart. Same with a divorce. A Course in Miracles says relationships never
end, they’re of the mind. The form of the relationship has ended. Physical proximity is no longer the container,
but the relationship ends. Also, if I remain bitter, I will not be able
to move on with my life. If I have anger I will not be able to move
on in my life. If I do not forgive myself and that other
person, I will not be able to move on in my life. So during my tears, during my grief, while
I get rid of this heartache, I have work to do, which is to look deeply at my own part
in this, own it, apologize where I need to apologize, make amends, and make changes within
yourself. Otherwise you will just re-enact the situation. So these are things you put on the altar. I put on the altar my anger. I put on the altar my sense that I’m a victim
here. I put on my altar my belief that death is
the end. I put on the altar my attack thoughts. I put on the altar my resentment. I put on the altar my sense of failure. I put on the altar my sense that nothing will
never be good again, I will never be loved again, I will never have a great job again,
I will never have a chance. I put on the altar the idea that I’m too
old, that I’m done with, or whatever. Yeah. And so that’s what I mean by these periods
being sacred times where deep work is being done. And sometimes on one hand, you know, those
sleepless nights, some of the things you can more easily shoo away during the day, those
demons you can distract yourself from, they’re there at night. They come out of their caves at night and,
yes, it’s painful and, yes, you don't sleep. But that’s part of the process because they
must be stared down. They must be transformed or else they’ll
just go underground and they will find subconscious ways to punish you. But if you recognize what they come… you
know, psychic pain brings a message just like physical pain does. And you have to heed that physical pain. If you have a broken leg you don't just take
morphine, you have to reset the leg. And if you have psychic pain we have to reset
our thinking in order to reset our emotions. Then you can move forward from a better place,
as a better person, a person ennobled by the experience, with a heart more open. And also another blessing that can come, I
was talking before about how you have x-ray vision into the suffering of others. You have more mercy and more sensitivity towards
the pain of others. One of the negative consequences about not
experiencing fully our pain, being sensitive enough to our own pain, is that it makes us
less sensitive to the pain of others and that is never a good thing. And also I think when you win your depression,
your pain, is that you feel you messed up in life, sometimes that’s when you really
do come to understand the word mercy. Because the universe is gonna give you another
chance. The universe is like a GPS. Took a wrong turn, it’s just gonna recalibrate. And I think that when you have felt God’s
mercy on you, you learn to be more merciful towards others. Sometimes I’ll be about to judge somebody
and then I’ll remind myself I’ve done so much worse, so just stop right there. So I have a question that I think many folks
in our audience can identify with. I know I certainly have experienced this at
times, where on the surface life actually looks pretty good and no tragic loss has actually
occurred. No divorce, no disease, yet we can feel like
a cloud has come over us and we feel depressed and I know for conversations I’ve had personally
it’s like wait, I shouldn't be depressed. I should be so grateful. We’re aware of the suffering in other parts
of this country and the world, people that have it so much worse off than us. How can I feel so dark and depressed right
now? I’m curious what you would say. Well, look at what you just said. I have everything. I mean, I know other people are suffering,
but I should be happy. No, you shouldn’t be happy if other people
are suffering. That’s kind of the point. You know, the whole notion in Buddhism is
praying for happiness for all sentient beings. That’s kind of the point today that, you
know, if somebody has their head chopped off in Iraq but it’s on your computer, you could
be in Idaho. You’re gonna be depressed that day. While you and I are talking, a plane crashed
yesterday, they think it was terrorism. To really own what has happened, what that
invasion of Iraq set off. If you’re looking at the world today and
you’re not grieving, I don't think you’re looking. And the fact that so many people seem to be
looking at the world today and not grieving is not a sign of mental health. The fact that you have yours, you know, it’s
like Buddha said. Material things can bring only temporary happiness
at best. So the fact sometimes that we’re sad is
a sign that we’re sensitive human beings. Paul Hawken has that expression blessed unrest. Look at the state of the planet that if we
don't turn this thing around the whole ecosystem could implode within 20 years. All the… all the nuclear bombs that we not
only have but keep building. The terrible problem we have with terrorism
and ISIL and anybody who looks at it from a rational perspective knows there’s no
easy answer here. The terrible inequities in the world? And that contrasted with the fact that it
could all be so beautiful. That’s tragic, that’s poignant. The fact that you feel that doesn't mean something’s
wrong with you. You know, I tell a story in the book about
a troop of chimpanzees in Africa and how some anthropologists found that there was a small
core part of the population of chimpanzees in this chimp village called a troop that
seemed to display depressed behavior. They didn't eat with the rest of the chimps,
they didn't play with the rest of the chimps, they didn't sleep with the rest of the chimps. So these anthropologists thought that was
very interesting because it seemed to mirror the human population. So what they did was they took the so called
depressed chimps away for 6 months and then they came back to the chimpanzee village,
the troop, to see what the effect was of taking all those chimps away, the depressed chimps. You know, and I’ve asked audiences all over,
what do you think they found? Now, you’ve read the book so you know what
they found. But most people say, the answer I usually
hear, is, “Well, more of the chimp troop, more had become depressed.” What they found was that the whole chimpanzee
troop was dead. And what they concluded from that was that
the quote on quote depressed chimps were their early warning system. They were the chimps who could discern that
snakes were coming or elephants were coming or stormclouds were coming or earthquakes
were coming or tornadoes were coming. And so the rest of the chimps saw, oh, they’re
depressed. We’d better take cover or whatever. So what we have in the society today, the
fact that people are depressed means something is wrong, something is off. And so it’s like we’re the canaries in
the gold mine… in the coal mine, but what the system is saying is that there’s something
wrong with the canaries. There’s nothing wrong with the canaries. And our suffering should be more than just,
you know, a profit center for gold manufacturers. So… for drug manufacturers. So I think that it’s very important that
we look at our modern civilization and realize how the very organizing principles that dominate
life in the modern world repudiate our spiritual nature. Those principles posit us as separate rather
than one. They posit short term economic gain as more
important than the building of community, than the fostering of real care for each other,
for our children. They make everything external seem more important
than that which is internal. They have us like hamsters on a wheel always
going after those things saying that those things will bring us happiness, and the fact
that they don't bring us happiness just means that they can't fundamentally and permanently. So for us to recognize what is deeply wrong
both in our own individual lives and in the whole world then awakens us to what we need
to do to change it Let’s talk about the wisest question we
can ask when we are deeply sad. You said how can I…? It’s not how can I end or numb this pain
immediately? What is the meaning of this pain? What does this pain reveal to me? What is it calling to me to understand? I loved this because it gives us a tool to
start to, I think, reset our thinking. Someone… I’ve lost a sister, I’ve lost both parents,
I’ve lost my best friend. I learned that life is short. I learned don't waste time on unimportant
things. I remember at my sister’s deathbed I was
sitting there, she had a couple of days to live, she was sitting up. My brother was at the end of the bed, I was
sitting there, and I was overcome with this realization that we sort of forgot to do the
sibling thing. We didn't… like, we had intimated a brother and brother
and 2 sisters. Now, if I called my sister a year before,
2 years before, 3 years before and said, “Why don't you and Peter and I have dinner?” she would’ve said, “Why? I have children, Marianne, I don't have time
to just go out to dinner with you guys,” because we were all busy. And I just got it. I got this… there was something that we
forgot to experience fully. I said when my sister died that my grief wasn’t
that I didn't know her longer, it was that I didn't know her better. Yes, she died young, but that mentality I
don't think I would’ve known her any better. And it… in my life it took the loss of a
best friend, it took the loss of a sister to feel more deeply. This thing is… don't waste time. Don't waste time in loving people. And also my parents, and this happens for
most of us as we get older, it’s very transformative that, you know, you’re… there’s a way
you’re not on center stage as long as even one parent is alive. At the end of relationships, heartache at
the end of relationship. I’ve never been in one and I’ve never
seen one where it was all one person’s issue. Where do you become wiser? What was my part? Where did I not give? You know, we live in a society today where
people are always saying to you about relationships, “Are you getting what you need?” Rather than, rather than, “Are you giving
all you have?” So we are sometimes in the guise of people
with the best of intentions and even your support and your counselor, could you be a
little more narcissistic here? Or could you be a little more self centered
here? Could you make it any more about you here? But really, really focus on how other people
are doing it wrong and, you know, their issues and why did you attract someone like that
as opposed to their therapist is probably asking them why they attracted you. So those things are wisdom and they… they
come from experience and sometimes from very painful experiences. And then you’re better and then you’re
different. And then you’re ready to move forward in
life not reenacting the same old same old, having a more expanded life because your heart
and mind have been expanded. What are the spiritual principles that deliver
us from our pain and how can we apply them? First of all, the realization that love is
real and nothing else exists. That love is all that matters. That if… that forgiveness is the key to
happiness and if you don't forgive… love works miracles. Love is who you are. You can’t be comfortable in your skin when
you’re not standing in the space of who you are. Who you are is love. If I’m withholding love, if I’m not rising
to the occasion, if I’m not practicing mercy, compassion, and forgiveness, I can’t be
happy. And so when you said some people say I should
be happy, you know, you could live in a palace but if you’re attacking other people, holding
onto resentments and grievances, if you’re living in the past or the future rather than
being present, you can’t be happy. That’s the joke of our society is telling
you that you should be and then you feel something’s wrong with you if you’re not and you’re
told you have a disorder. That’s the big thing now, everybody has
a disorder, a depressive disorder, an anxiety disorder. And I’m not being glib here, but our entire
civilization is an anxiety disorder. Who’s not? Kind of like empath. And I say this, you know, some people feel
I’m insensitive. You know, I read the book and that’s lovely,
but who’s not? Who’s not deeply sensitive at their core? Who's not deeply empathic at their core? So this is something that we get questions
on a lot too and I’m sure it’ll come up from this interview. When you have someone that you know and that
you love and they’re grieving and they’re experiencing a really hard time. From a spiritual perspective, how can we genuinely
support those that we love when we know this is something they’re going through? You know, I used to joke that I knew the inventory
at every gift shop at every hospital in Los Angeles because I was so loathed to go upstairs. I was scared. Like, what am I gonna say? What am I gonna do? Until I realized just be present. It's not what you’re gonna say or what… it’s that you’re going. And then also I learned being around people
who were dying, they’re gonna minister to you every bit as much as you’re going to
minister to them. So it’s a gift to you as much as to them. Jews and Catholics have ancient traditions. They’re told what to do. Catholicism and Judaism really has it down. Jews: women start cooking, the men sit shiva. Catholicism also has a lot of ritual ceremony. A lot of Protestants kind of stand around
and don't know what to do. And so this is one of the ways where if you
were part of an ancient religion or tradition you’re really served by being told what
to do. The ceremony to participate in and so forth. Sometimes you’ll say to somebody, “Did
you go to the funeral?” And you’ll hear somebody say, “No, you
know, I’m grieving in my own way.” And I wanna slap them and say, “It’s not
about you.” It’s his wife or her husband and the children
and they’re gonna see that people are there and people care. Just be there. You know, we’re women, we know about that. You know, you’re going through something,
you call a friend. “Will you come over?” Yes. Just come over. Just be with me. Be there. You know, just be with me. Sometimes I… well, sometimes people will just say… I’ve been with people, let’s say somebody
just lost her husband and I’m with another friend and afterwards I’ll say, “I’m
surprised you didn't mention it.” And they’ll say, “Well, I didn't wanna
bring it up.” As though she’s not thinking about it! It can be so meaningful when people say, “I’m
really sorry. I heard about your loss.” Just be there. There’s nothing fancy to do but to say that
you care. You know, in my life when I’ve been through
things, even like we were talking about the congressional campaign, which I’m not in
any way comparing to the loss of a loved one. But it was so nice, I’d just be walking
down the street and someone saying, “I voted for you and I’m really sorry. I’m really sorry that you lost.” And it would just… there’s nothing like people just saying
that they care. But we’re… we need to be proactive around
sad things. Don't try to help people distract themselves
from their sadness. Join with them in a moment of empathy. Would you be open if we closed with a beautiful
prayer from the book? Thank you. I’m honored that you call it beautiful. And you picked one out here. I did. It was one that actually brought me to tears... Thank you, Marie. ...when I first read it. There’s a lot in the book that I think everyone
should read, but this one in particular. Thank you. Yeah. Dear God, I surrender to you the pain that
is in my heart. I give to you my failure, my shame, my loss,
my devastation. I know that in you, dear God, all darkness
is turned to light. Pour forth your spirit upon my mind and help
me to forgive my past. Make my life begin again. Restore my soul and bring me peace. Comfort me in this painful hour that I might
see again my innocence and good. I have fallen, dear God, and I feel I cannot
rise. Please lift me up and give me strength. Set my feet upon the path to peace and help
me not to stray again. I pray for forgiveness. I’m crushed by my failure. Please show me who I am to you that self hate
shall not defeat me. Help me remember and reclaim my good. Help me become who you would have me be and
live the life you would have me live that my tears shall be no more. Amen. You are a legend. Right back at you. You’re not quite a legend yet because you’re
not old enough, but you are already such a bright light on the planet. You’re one of those first name people, Marie. I adore you. Thank you so much… I adore you too. ...for your work, for coming on the show,
and for continuing to do everything that you do. Thank you, Marie. I love you. I love you too. God bless you, honey. Now Marianne and I would love to hear from
you. What’s the biggest insight that you’re
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