Being Human | Robert Sapolsky

okay I have to admit I've given a lot of talks over the years but never in a venue where they urged large amounts of alcohol consumption before hand so this is new terrain for me also I've lived in San Francisco for years and never even knew there was an Erie street and just merely being in this space here I feel like much more of a hipster than I've ever been in my entire life so I'm going to milk this for all it's worth okay I've had sort of a dual career over the years half a neurobiologist half a primatologist I spend about half my time living in a lab and mucking around with neurons and sticking genes and them as such and then about half my time studying baboons in a national park in East Africa and if you spend enough time sort of going back and forth between the two eventually you begin to look at humans fairly strangely they really do take on a different quality I mean youyou obviously wonder about everybody's and neurotransmitter levels but you you look at other guys and you wonder if they're if they're canines are longer than yours and you usually conclude that they are or you you spend a lot of time looking at people's rear ends and calculating like how much anesthetic you would need to dart them but what I what I thought I would talk about tonight is sort of if you spend time studying the brain basis of behavior the evolutionary basis all after a while it's really a challenge there's ultimately this question of thinking about humans are we just another primate are we just a collection of neurons where to play a place us in the biological world so I thought I would sort of give somewhat of an overview of where we fit in and the answer is we keep being just like every other species out there until you look a little bit closer what we'll see here is as I present this much there's sort of three basic challenges and the first one is recognizing the domains in which there's nothing fancy about us whatsoever we are just like every other species out there some of the time the challenge is the second one which is we've got the same basic wiring as everybody else out there but we humans use it in a way that is utterly bizarre and then of course a third domain where we do stuff that's simply unprecedented okay let me give you an example of each first one you are a hamster you are a female hamster and what you do is a female hamster is about every five days or so you ovulate that's what you do unless unless some researcher has stuck a second female hamster in the cage with you in which case both of you lengthen your cycles and you begin to synchronize them so that after about three weeks or so you both ovulate the same exact afternoon totally amazing this is all done with olfaction pheromones you can show that if you like hold up hamsters nose shut for three weeks she doesn't synchronize through the female stuck in her cage but to put two female hamsters together and their cycles will synchronize unless you now take a male hamster and put him into the middle of the cage in which case their cycles D synchronize completely it's all olfactory you can prove this totally elegant don't put the male in the cage take the male in another cage and pump the air from his cage into their cage and that D synchronizes their cycles it's all olfactory and the coolest thing of all is when you put the two females together it's not random who synchronizes who the socially dominant one tends to synchronize the other so this is just like standard knowledge people have known this forever and it works this way in dogs and cows and pigs and pigs apparently you could go to a 7-eleven in Iowa and buy a can of pig ovulatory synchronization spray and you can go home I have no idea why you would want to do this but you could go home and spray it all over your pigs and all of them will synchronize they're ovulating you can do that you can do people do that people are licensed it this is so well understood that it's like commercial spin-offs all of that and the most amazing thing about it of all is it works exactly the same way in US where it's known as the Wellesley effect named after Wellesley College all women's college paper from 1970 showing how during freshman year roommates would tend to synchronize their cycles with each other it was an olfactory phenomenon they would synchronize their cycles unless one of them was having close intimate relations with a male which would D synchronize the cycles it's the same ther ammonal communication it all works the same and most cool of all is it's not random who synchronizes who it tends to be the women who are more socially extroverted dominant now this is well enough understood that when I was in college people would like sit around the dinner table and say when we roomed together the summer I had her synchronized by August 1st you know that's kind of what biologists do so in a setting like that what the challenge is is accepting we're just like every other species out there now some of the time the challenge is in this second domain and what you see there is that well let me give you an example a human ritual to humans sit at a table they're silent they don't move they don't make eye contact they do nothing more physically taxing than every now and then one of them lifts an arm and moves a piece of wood on the table and if these are two chess grandmasters in the middle of a tournament they are maintaining the blood pressure for hours of marathon runners and they're doing it just with thought and that's the amazing thing with us we sit around and we activate the same physiological systems I mean you sit there and you get stressed over something psychological and you're secreting the same hormones that fish and reptiles and birds do when they're stressed and what we doing we're thinking about the ozone layers or oh no they like something completely abstract we turn on the same stress response with us we have the same old physiological wiring as every other mammal out there and then we use it for utterly bizarre circumstances as we'll see finally third domain there are circumstances of human behavior where there's simply no animal precedent now let me give you an example here shocking example you have a couple they come home from work at the end of the day they talk they have dinner they talk they go to bed they have sex they talk they fall asleep the next day they do the same exact thing they come home from work they talk they eat they talk they go to bed they have sex they talk they Foley they do the same thing every night for 30 days in a row hippos would be repulsed by this hardly any other species have non-reproductive sex and nobody else talks about it afterward and in that regard we are totally unprecedented in those domains you want to make sense of us as a species there is simply no animal equivalent so as we see these various topics here that's going to be our challenge is recognizing which categories were falling it now what I'll be doing is going through a whole bunch of domains and showing all the areas in which they're used to be things that were just unique to humans and it's not so unique anymore until you look closer starting off with aggression like every National Geographic special used to sort of finish off about how we're the only species that kills members of our own kind we're the only species that commits murder we are not the only species that kills all sorts of other animals out there kill members of their own kind they kill infants strategically they kill with Machiavellian strategic intelligence we have all sorts of cases of that chimpanzees have now been observed to fashion something resembling weapons out of sticks to use to hit each other we are not the only species that will kill each other we are not the only species that will do it in a constant permeating kind of way now this is a baboon who had joined one of my troops a few weeks before and the only way to describe this guy is he had horrible political skills he was just hassling guys he had no business going anywhere near one evening coalition of six males gang up on him and this is what was left in the morning and in my 30 years of studying baboons the leading cause of death among male baboons are male baboons we're not the only species that kills we're not the only species that kills in an organized way these are chimpanzees carrying out what is called a border patrol they are all from the same group they've gotten in a very agitated state and they are off patrolling the border of their territory and if they encounter a male from the neighboring group they will kill him this is planned organized violence and has been documented a number of times now the male's of one group of chimps have eradicated every single member male member of the neighbouring group and expanded their territory this is virtually the definition by UN standards of genocide killing somebody not for who they are but simply for what group they belong to we're not the only species that does that we're not the only species that's capable of deep unconscious aggressive bias against them fascinating example of this if you ever want to take a totally terrifying test take something called the implicit association test it's this brilliant psychological test that reveals every unspoken prejudiced and bias that you have going for you because it's impossible to fool this test here's how the test works suppose you have a horrible ugly vicious prejudice against trolls you just have something in for trolls and you think they're simply inferior to humans so you are given this task computer screen where up flash a bunch of pictures of either humans or trolls and you instructed if it's a human press this button on the right if it's a troll press this button on the left or a series of words with either very positive or negative connotations if it's positive press this button negative press and then it comes in a combination you have to see if it's a troll on the right or this kind of word press this button if it's a human on the left and what you see is when the category of human and troll fits with the word it's an easy Association flash up a human with the word trustworthy and that makes perfect sense flash up malodorous with troll that makes perfect sense your reaction time for hitting the correct button is very short but now switch it around the other way and for a minuscule amount of time you pause and say wait a second trolls are in kind-hearted that's right hit this button wait a second humans aren't bad hit this button there's a minuscule on the scale of milliseconds delay and you do enough of these and you can tell if somebody gets a delay coming in there the scale of like a tenth of a second delay they're feeling the cognitive dissonance I don't associate these positive values with this group it's incredible then recently a group a Yale group showed the exact same thing in rhesus monkeys they took either pictures of monkeys from the same group as the individual they were testing the male on the left or someone from the next group over a vem a very menacing them so either flashing a pictures of somebody of their own group or someone from the out group or flashing a pictures of wonderful positive things for monkeys like tropical fruit or negative things spiders and then you gave them the task that they would have to process pairs and you would see the exact same thing when you would have discordant categories it took slightly longer the monkey was sitting there saying wait a second we're the ones that make me feel of luscious tropical fruit and they're like yucky spiders not the other way around other species can even think in terms of categories of prejudice so in what ways are we special when it comes to aggression we're just like any other primate in terms of our capacity to cudgel somebody over the head to death we're perfectly capable of doing that but we could be violent in all sorts of ways we can exert no more effort than it takes to pull a trigger or release a bomb through 30,000 feet or operate a drone on the other side of the planet we can be aggressive by looking the other way and pretending we don't see or damning with faint praise or this concept utterly foreign to any other primate we can be passive-aggressive we can do it in all sorts of ways let me show you just how bizarre human violence can be in the mid 1960s there was a coup in Indonesia that overthrew the government there and instituted a right-wing dictatorship for the next 30 years that came to be known as the new order and in the aftermath of this coup every vendetta every bit of revenge was carried out against every ethnic minority group against every sort of left-leaning group out there death squads killed an estimated half a million people in Indonesia over the subsequent years entire villages of people would be burned to death in their huts when death squads would come so the writer VS Naipaul was travelling through Indonesia some decades afterward and was learning about the history of this whole period the troubles during that time and he kept hearing this story which was sometimes when these death squads would come to destroy a village they would bring along a traditional Indonesian gamelan orchestra what the hell's with that totally bizarre he kept hearing rumors about it and one day he encountered some grizzled old veteran of one of these death squads unrepentant because he had just spent 30 years as a national hero and Naipaul said I this rumors this - and the guy said oh yes yes whenever we would go to kill everyone in a village we would bring along a gamelan orchestra it was great we would bring along the flutists and the drummers and the singers and all of that an eyeball said why would you do that and the man looked at him puzzled and said to make it more beautiful of course there is no other primate out there that could begin to make sense of the ways in which we damage each other if we can do something like that okay a next domain theory of mine tremendously trendy subject theory of mind and developmental psychology when do kids first understand that other people have different information than they do typically this occurs between ages 3 to 5 or so my kids achieve theory of mine in the morning of their 3rd birthdays this is this big developmental landmark it's thought to be a stepping stone other individuals have different thoughts than you do precursor for they have other emotions than you do the start of empathy all of that major major developmental milestone and sort of human development but then it turns out we're not the only species that could do theory of mind and this is some research where chimps captive chimps would look at a human a human would be in front of them and some food would be hidden in the room they couldn't see where it was hidden but the human was oriented to be able to see half the time though the human had a bucket over their head half the time they could see the chimp was then let out and the question was would the chimp go over to the human to try to get the human to lead them to where the food was and chimps could do theory of mind they understood if the human had their eyes covered when the food was being hidden the human doesn't know where the food is so don't bother trying to get them to show you they understood under what circumstances another human or human would have information that they didn't were not the only species that does theory of mind what we are though is the only species that does what's called secondary theory of mind being able to understand that this person has information that that person doesn't have and to be able to understand their interactions that way it's for this reason no chimp could possibly know what in hell's going on in Midsummer Night's Dream and follow the plot of this person is in love with that person but thinks that they're in love with that one because they can't do the secondary theory of mind they wouldn't put up with a performance of it okay another domain defining defining feature of our humaneness the Golden Rule do unto others every society has some version of that or the negative version don't do unto others as you would not have them do to you this is just Universal this is the building blocks of human morality sense of justice all sorts of work has been done on sort of seeing this how you build whole moral systems out of reciprocity this whole area of research called game theory and game theorists have spent decades advising diplomats and war strategists and economists and all these sorts of game situations when do you cooperate when do you not what are the strategic advantages of each sort of approach kind of thing so if you study game theory like the poster child the fruit fly of research in that area is a game called the prisoner's dilemma prisoner's dilemma two people play it and they have some juncture where they have to decide do they cooperate with each other or do they defect and the outcome is if you both cooperate you both get a reward if you both defect if you both stab each other in the back you both get punished but if one of you cooperates and the other stabs them in the back the cooperator gets screwed loses a huge number of points and the individual got away with stabbing the other in the back gets the biggest reward of all so the game theory question becomes when do you cooperate and when not and in this famous study in the 1970s this economist named Robert Axelrod what he did was he went to all his friends and explained how the prisoner's dilemma work and said so what would be your game strategy he went to like theologians and prize fighters and Nobel Peace Prize winners and all of that he took everybody strategies programmed them and put them in a gigantic computer and ran hundreds of thousands of generations of round-robin tournament against each other and one strategy kept winning and it was the simplest one in there it was a tit-for-tat strategy you start off by cooperating if the other player cooperates you keep cooperating if they stab you in the back one round you stab them in the back the next round if they've gone back to cooperating then you go back to cooperating totally simple and the words that they used were not just sort of random but they have very much thinking about sort of the meaning here tit for tat drove all the other strategies into extinction it was the most optimal strategy okay so this was wonderful game theorist and the economist everyone's delighted the animal behaviorists take one look at this and say whoa all sorts of social species cooperate do they use this same rule have they evolved this optimal strategy when people went to look to see if their animals did tit for tat and yes first example vampire bats vampire bats my god drinking blood from other animals all that when a vampire bat is drinking blood all she's doing is getting food to feed her babies because she's not actually drinking and she's storing the blood on her throat sac and she flies back to her nest and disgorge is the blood to feed her babies now vampire bats have an interesting social system and that a whole bunch of females will have communal nests and they feed each other's babies they have a system of sustained reciprocity of helping each other out with feeding now make the bats in this colony think that one of the females is cheating she flies out of the colony catch her in a net get a hold of her and pump up her throat sack with air and push her back into the colony then everybody's looking at her saying oh my God look at the size of her throat sack she's got so much blood and she's not feeding my baby and the next round nobody feeds her babies another example of tit for tat and this was with a group that you know like vampire bats they're mammals but they're not all that bright to look at this in comparison this is with fish stickleback fish okay so you got a fish in a tank make the guy think his territory is being invaded by another fish put a mirror up against the side of the tank and you know what's happening within two seconds he's lunging at it and doing territorial displays now make him think he as a coalitional partner put a second mirror in there perpendicular to the first so now he's in there lunging at his image and he saying this is great I have no idea who that guy is but we are such a coordinated team it's so great because there's another guy invading also that's great what a team all the way momentum now make them think his partner's cheating on their social contract angle the mirror backward so that the image is deflected backward and now he's lunging at his image and he's thinking that son of a [ __ ] Here I am I'm blistering my lips on this glass here all of that oh he's going forward but I see he's hanging back he's just pretending to go forward and the next time he's presented with his image he doesn't attack it he tit-for-tat SPAC were not the only species that has evolved this optimal strategy of cooperation so what's unique about us we're the only species that can do reciprocity where we have a currency that's not the same from one individual to the next other animals can do unto others that they would have to unto you we're the only species that incorporates the fact that we have different desires and different reinforcers there's no other species that could look at this and understand what's going on here we have a much more complex world of reciprocity okay another domain empathy empathy it defines us like nothing else out there we are wondrously empathic we help individuals and sorts of settings we're not the only species with a sense of empathy wonderful work by franz Duval at Emory University looking at chimpanzees here's what he would observe two different scenarios first one some chimp challenges a high-ranking guy and gets trounced by him second scenario some chimp is sitting there minding his own business and high-ranking guy is in a bad mood and trounces him in other words in the first case the guy asked for it he initiated this he provoked it in the second case we have an innocent bystander who's a victim of displacement aggression and what Duvall shows is in the hour after these events the other members of the group are far far more likely to groom the guy who was the innocent bystander than the guy who started the fight first off that's showing they could understand intentionality he asked for getting pummeled there this guy did not and they can extend pro-social behavior much more in that direction we're not the only species who's capable of responding and Pathak lee to an underdog who's getting a lousy deal so what's special about empathy and humans our thing is we could extend it over space and time in incredibly abstract ways consider this for example so here we have a picture of this dog whose paw was caught in this trap its paw became necrotic came off this is horrifying looking at your faces right now a number of you are doing something that is unprecedented you were feeling the pain of a member of another species there's hardly any other organism that can do that you were feeling the pain of this dog but we could make it even more abstract than that this was the German expressionist painter Franz Marc yet another one of the painters sort of destroyed during the trench warfare of World War one this was a painting he produced around that time sheer chaos going on where we see amid some encapsulation of warfare whatever in the center there's this animal baying at the moon this animal absolutely terrified and this isn't a real animal it's no known species it's purple it's nothing that actually exists it's some sort of generic animal the name of the painting the fate of the animals when we look at this painting we don't feel badly for that animal we feel badly for the animals but we could take it one step further we could look at this and say oh no home-tree it's destroyed the poor Navi and avatar they're not real they're pixels they're CGI we can sit there and we can feel deep empathy for a character in a novel we can we can do stuff with empathy like no other species out there the ways we can extend it the ways we can abstract it okay how about another domain of human behavior and here we have the human capacity for gratification postponement it turns out there's this one neurotransmitter that's very central to gratification this neurotransmitter called dopamine dopamine is about reward cocaine works on dopamine synapses dopamine is about reward for example you take a monkey and it's in some setting and from I don't know where you give it something wonderful you give it a grape or something and it secretes dopamine in these reward pathways dopamine is about reward dopamine isn't about reward here's what you do now you train the monkey in this paradigm a signal comes on a light comes on and what the light means is we've started one of those sessions where if you now work by pressing a lever ten times you'll get a reward signal we've started one of those sessions do the work you get a reward when does dopamine get released not when the monkey gets the reward when the signal comes on that's the monkey sitting there saying I'm on top of this piece of cake I know how to do this this is going to be fabulous this is is dopamine is not about reward it's about the anticipation of reward even more so if you block the dopamine release the monkey doesn't press the lever it's not just about the anticipation it's about the work you were willing to do to get it the goal directed behavior brilliant follow-up study this was a group at Cambridge man Wolfram Schultz were what they did was the following now what you just saw was a scenario of press the lever ten times you get a reward do the work you got a reward absolutely guaranteed switch things to you get the reward only about 50% of the time what happens to dopamine it goes through the roof like crazy because you have just introduced a critical word into your biochemical pathways you've introduced the word maybe and there's nothing as addictive as the word maybe for generating work goal-directed behaviors just driven and you look at this and this is the exact same newer chemistry that's understood by the engineers that design las vegas the word may be that fulcrum of I'm a total schmuck it never works out but today I'm feeling lucky but no it's not but maybe today and you're just teetering on that fulcrum and you press the lever over and over and over because you've got dopamine coming out of your ears so what's unique about us in that regard all these studies here all that time course there on that x-axis is over the matter of half a minute or so what do we do as humans we can have a lag time between the signal and the work and the reward that lasts forever we all know this we studied hard in school to get a good grade to get into a good college to get into a good grad school to get a good job to get into a good nursing home we all do this here look at this humans can even do it where they will lever press like mad for a reward that doesn't even come until after you're dead if you have the right theology if you have that framework there is nothing out there in the animal world and their use of dopamine that begins to approach our capacity to do this just how long we are willing to do goal directed behavior before we get the reward at the end there okay so one final domain culture culture used to be if you were primatologist and you said the word culture they instantly denied you tenure culture is now the trendiest word in primatology because we are not the only species that has culture the non genetic transmission of information within or across generations chimps for example known for decades chimps make tools chimps have been found to make 20 30 different kinds of tools different populations of chimps across Africa they use them in different ways their kids learn how to use the tools and fascinating observation the sons of females don't learn tool use anywhere near as well as the daughters do because the sons just sit around there screwing around and wrestling with each other and the daughters actually like pay attention the cultural transmission is much better than that route we're not the only species that does that we're not the only species with a transmission of a social culture this was some of my work some years ago looking at one troop of baboons which for very complex reasons developed a culture of very low levels of aggression tremendous amounts of male male affiliation these are two adult male baboons grooming each other adult male baboons don't groom each other except in this true and what went on for 15 years or so is among baboons males at puberty leave their home troop and transfer into their adult troop for 15 years males who'd grown up somewhere else in the big bad world of normal baboon behavior showed up in this troop and it took them about six months to learn we don't do crap like that here and their behavior changed over that time we're not the only species that has material or social culture what's unique about us the incredible Byzantine nature of our culture in there there is no other species out there that could possibly imagine a ritual like this chimps would kill to be able to wear you know hats with fruit on them we are unique in that realm okay so we've seen lots of ways here in which we're just like every other species until you look more closely I want to spend the last couple minutes here on one domain in which we are in that third category something absolutely unprecedented amid all the versions of that we think symbolically we have metaphor all sorts of stuff this one strikes me as really really significant to state at first very abstractly we have the capacity to gain the strength to do X by the certainty that X cannot possibly be what do I mean by this let me make it a little bit less abstract and frame it in a framework completely foreign to me Kierkegaard being a good Christian consists of being able to hold two contradictory beliefs in your head at the same time let me make it even less abstract this is a Catholic nun sister Helen Prejean who some of you are probably familiar with she was the character who inspired the movie dead man walking she has spent her entire life ministering to this spiritual needs of men on death row on a maximum-security prison in Louisiana some of the most frightening humans on earth and over and over over the years people come to her and they say why are you doing this why are you spending time with those people they are like the most horrific humans around how can you spend your there's so many people who are more deserving and her entire philosophy is built around two things statement the less forgivable the act the more we have to find the means to forgive it the less lovable the person the more we have to find the means to love them and as a strident atheist this strikes me as the nuttiest most irrational magnificent thing we are capable of as a species because over and over what you see is our most exalted behaviors come when we have every reason to think you're not going to be able to make a difference that's the way it is look the other way go back to your own concerns and when people are capable of devising deriving the strength to do X out of the certainty that X can't be you get our most magnificent domains of moral imperatives so let me stop at this point what we see here over and over is yes yes we got the same neurotransmitters as every other species we're just another primate our behaviors are on a continuum when you look closely though we are doing remarkable things and when you look really closely some of the things we do are astonishingly unique and of course what always has to be said at this point is for better or worse okay so on that point thank you for coming out this evening

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Published: Sun Jun 26 2016