Awareness Never Changes, Francis Lucille

so if you if you have any questions about whatever that would be a good moment otherwise we can still keep enjoying space and time and that which is beyond it I guess there is a mic of course I don't do speeches so there are questions thank you after awareness becomes established and is an abiding state is there movement within that is there an evolution of that awareness does it change or deepen in any way yes but my answer is yes to choose a question you really asked I wouldn't have expressed the question in that sense of course awareness doesn't change there is no deepening of awareness but you were referring to more to the human experience if you it's like you know the beautiful crashing though you know brightness Symphony that you think that it has reached its climax ever there now there is some more beauty beyond it and some more majesty and some more revelation it's an unending revelation just that that at some point suffering psychological suffering is be behind us but the the celebration and the revelation is endless in other words there is some life after after the death of ignorance could you say a little bit about how this your experience of awareness has changed the experience of a wellness doesn't change in in ignorance we what that is real to us of the phenomena see objects then there is a moment we realize that that which is real is the presence and that these presence is both the reality of our human experience which is mind and of the world that surrounds us apparently and of all other minds so we share the same common ground common ground both with all human beings and with the objects of the universe with the universe itself so that would be the revelation that would be the liberation from the burden of becoming of evolving of being an object a body mind persona and then the leftovers of our past of ignorance that are imprinted as belief systems and also as contractions and feeling systems in the body having lost their foundation gradually get released with the intelligence both of the 9/10 of the body and as a result we enter the realm of celebration of enjoying if you will the fruit of this liberation that's the an unending celebration I was talking about gentleman hunter question hi some point to awareness or consciousness as the reality or the inner truth and some say that consciousness is the product of conjunction with the body incarnation and that the highest truth is not conscious just is or it's simply what's left or simply what is inescapable so we're wondering if you could comment on that yes I think what we have to be clear about is what we mean by consciousness because sometimes apparent contradictions or differences can be resolved in this way what I call consciousness is whatever it is that is truly perceiving these words right now not that which is electrically perceiving these words but that which is truly or really perceiving these words in our in other words consciousness is the reality that perceives in other words it's it's both the reality of the proceeding agent of apparatus if you will the reality that receives that which truly perceives now it follows from that that either there is only one reality in which case of reality that perceived is also the reality of the universe all there are more than two realities there are the reality that receives and the reality which is perceived but then we are facing a problem there because if the reality that receives universe for instance is separate and this thing from it how do they interact and they've if they interact it is somehow that they belong to annul teammate reality that encompasses both in which case the reality that resists was not the ultimate reality that receives the ultimate realities approaches is what I call consciousness or awareness so that that being said you see I of course it could be said that the reality of everything is not is distinct from the reality that also so-called realities of apparently perceived perceives or allegedly persons anyway we are here in inner inner realm which which is a little bit intellectual I mean it's interesting because because we okay thank we've heard from the scientists perspective this last couple days we've heard a little bit not too much about the spiritual you know the personal experience of the non-dual world the greater reality my question is from beyond the personal perspective and experience to having that be a community and expanding it from just the personal experience and reaching out to other so I come from a teaching background and the experience is only subjective it's only my experience and yet I'd love to talk to the other people about it but it's sometimes difficult to share as I've actually been hearing the last couple days different ways of you know using the Jew allistic language to to share an experience that's truly undefinable I was wondering from your perspective how should we talk to others about this or share because to me I'd like to promote this way of thinking because it has incredible benefits on lots of different levels and I just like to hear your perspective we it shares itself chess itself with without really intention with that like the bird singing his song on its limb sometimes peak there are people listening or as a bird sometimes the bird is singing alone in the forest but what that which matters is the origin of our song rather than its direction the origin of our song has to be the joy that which we have discovered that that then our song has music in it but don't worry about sharing worry about being and once you are it it shares itself in so many ways and the talking is just the icing on the cake you see look at children they don't do as you say they do what you do they walk the walk you walk they don't want the walk you talk so the sharing is in the walking not in the talking yes if you keep if you could keep some questions shots because we have a very limited amount of time seems that non-duality is our nature not only from the scientific perspective didn't the physics the chemistry the biology but also we're born maybe in a non dual sense and we learned this duality so considering that is plus the amazing adaptability of humans how quickly we learn we change we survive why is it that we struggle so much to understand being and to just be why is it that we struggle so much to really be who we are who we were ever meant to be and maybe who we always were you know that's a good question and that's Mike and that's my answer I like to keep the answers short I would ask that you say a bit more about a celebration not because I want to get over our round and suffering I think anyway I won't say that but what I associate is Rumi's joyous celebration when he dances in the street to the sound of the Goldsmith hammer and his poetry and and that's what I perceive as the celebration of life exactly absolutely it's not the lyrics the celebration is not in the lyrics but in the music and you mentioned you mentioned Rui and I choose everyday Ruby over advaita talk because umi has a perfume he knows what he's talking about he talks from that place you see so he's my guy sir could you please elaborate further on the nature of otherwise the reality about the consciousness the consciousness of the absolute space and the consciousness with the humans the reality between these two please elaborate little the consciousness of absolute space and the human consciousness yeah yeah I don't see the only consciousness I know is my human consciousness but strangely enough it turned out that it that it was bigger than I thought it was that's all how about the reality the consciousness of absolute space yes there are one and the same at man equals brand but it's the first and it's the origin it is a different it is a serene but with the humans the consciousness is a differing totally that witchiness perceives is God have this accusation of this occur through God's love is it not by limited knowledge body sensor the knowledge the consciousness is a differing from the totality hi I'm not getting your question I'm sorry thank you hi if I have the words right I believe that Ramana Maharshi said the greatest obstacle to the realization of the self is the belief that were not already realized so I wonder if you could comment on that well of course if we believe to be a realized person or a non realized person in both cases we believe to be a person and obviously that's an obstacle the but remember there are there are really no obstacles the what matters is the desire no matter how big the obstacles there is always the possibility of a stronger desire that can overcome the obstacles so it's nicer in my view to nurture our desire for the truth rather than to kind of waste our energy worrying about the obstacles our desires of the truth in its purest form is joy and enthusiasm so we should nurture our enthusiasm it is very important not to to break it not to to disappoint it so we should always be loved for for enthusiasm to roam freely you see because after all it's about joy enthusiasm and freedom now look at Ruby we were talking about he is a perfect expression of all of that right that's what touches us in his poetry this freedom this unconventional way of speaking of God sometimes you have very unsure you know and at the same time God is between the worlds and be behind the world so we should really take care of our enthusiasm like we would take care of a child because it we look at what they mean by consciousness I mean something else than the consciousness as I define it which is that whatever that is which is truly perceiving these words right this moment that whatever because that cannot be measured cannot be observed through any scientific instrument so that is beyond the scope of science because we cannot even conceive of a thought experiment that could tell us anything about the consciousness as I have just defined it so that's why there is a kind of a fear of separation between science and God Caesar angered science is busy with Caesar which is okay and which is fine and I respect very much science ah I've been flirting with it a long time ago with physics and mathematics and I respected very much and and it's very important not to mix up the Ross you know in my view perhaps perhaps at some point physics will have to expand its scope so much that there will be a reunion you see but we are not there yet daddy we we take some some time before this event arises at the horizon but friends is a short question you mentioned the word God and what do you mean by God not a gentleman with a long beard sitting on the cloud and extending his finger the ultimate reality or everything but for me because I was raised as an atheist and my religion was science then the world god is fresh and new you see it is virgin I would like to ask you a question regarding state of weakness when you one is awakened is that for example is that the same as being in a state of Samadhi what what's your opinion on what's you what do you have to say about the difference between the state the ultimate Samadhi state and when people say one is awaken to the truth you're talking about the same thing or is that just a matter of terminology or you know many people they speak of the experience and we are never certain that we are never certain that somebody else experiences although they use the same world believe me being the world to be awakened or being the world Samadhi or sahaja Samadhi nirvikalpa samadhi savikalpa samadhi that they means the same thing so let's give you my definition of of it is to be happy without cause and shakable in an unshakable unshakable fashion unshakeable fashion that's sahaja Samadhi to discover that we are eternal in one single discovery that's miracle / Samadhi or enlightenment or awakening so what do you say but do you a person that goes into Samadhi every day in their medications would you say that individual is in a state of awareness all the time I said I don't know is happening I couldn't I couldn't tell us it's for them to say if they are happy that's fine with me one last question two minutes you mentioned when Jesus walked the earth and I am wondering what you can we haven't spoken of time and I'm I think a lot of history or his story and forget about God make it short yeah time okay good that's that's just it I mean I believe that we are in manifestations over a period of time and I'm just curious well good fine you believe we are manifestation for a period of time I experienced manifestation is in me and not in time manifestation time in space are in me Thank You Francis

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Keywords: awareness, consciousness, Francis Lucille, nonduality

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Length: 28min 25sec (1705 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 06 2011