Avoid These Mistakes When Building a Sawmill Shed

[Music] all right let's go and see what we're up against all right guys welcome back the sun is just breaking through it has been raining all day here and we don't need any more rain around here but that's a side story what i'm doing today is i'm out here at version 1.0 of the hillbilly hideout and if you haven't seen videos with this in it before well come on back to my playlist sawmill setup you're going to see a whole bunch of videos dealing with well making lumber and my woodland mills hm130 which is hiding back in there and you'll also see some information on when i initially put up this sawmill shack all right so why am i here i want to tell you guys exactly about why i'm building a new sawmill setup why i'm building a new sawmill shack version 2.0 if you will last video if you guys saw that you noticed that i gave you some rough dimensions of my new setup my new setup which is being built directly behind this setup is going to be 20 feet long and 10 feet wide so it's going to be a little bit smaller but it is going to be a lot more accessible what i'm going to do today aside from just giving you a basic overview of what i'm building sort of a recap from last day i'm going to talk about the pros and cons and the reasons why this particular setup this log structure version one as you can as you can think so what i'm going to show you guys today is the reasons why i'm building version 2.0 of the hillbilly hideout and why version one didn't quite live up to my expectations now don't get me wrong here this thing has been standing through central ontario winters up here in canada for a number of years in fact i think i put it up the day after i got the sawmill in order to keep rain sleet and everything else from falling on my mill this thing is not a piece of junk necessarily it is just not as practical as i want it to be as they say you don't tend to buy the first version you buy the second version because the second version's got everything ironed out my second version hopefully will iron out those things that i've been dreaming about to make my life easier out here at the sawmill let's face it i'm not getting any younger and i don't want to work twice as hard as i have to in terms of what you see before you with version 1.0 let's just cover what that's basically all about before i talk about version 2.0 version 1.0 you guys are standing under it here and more or less it's made out of red pine logs and reason it's made out of red pine logs is because i'm in a red pine forest the whole goal with building this thing was to get it up easily and i also didn't want to put any concrete footings in so houses standing you might ask well you'll notice that every single post like this one is adjacent to a live tree there's the live tree providing the vertical support right i guess what's that horizontal support this is holding up the beam which is ultimately holding up the rafters this is holding all the weight this is doing all the support how are you going to keep this tree and this particular post close to each other well with nothing more than a simple ratchet strap does this structure move in the wind absolutely but let's face it a tree isn't gonna move that much right this is the live tree it's not gonna sway that much when it's only about eight feet off the ground so the roof is probably only swinging you know an inch or two and for those of you who get worried about that well this has been up in the middle of winter here in canada for uh i think this is i think it's gone through three winters without any issue so just uh if that provides any any uh help to you there it is so if we have a look down here you'll notice that one post is back here i have another post here a post here and at the end another post what i do in the winter time is i actually put up another post which you see line on the ground there i actually put up another post right about here and the reason i do that is that reduces the distance this support beam has to span because once you get a snow load up there the weight that this beam is holding drastically increases so i put another post here and if you guys stand back here what we end up getting from that post to the extra post i put in is approximately 12 feet and that corresponds to the width of logs i tend to cut so the logs i can load on the bunk and still roll in without problems if we look at what i have for a support beam up there it is the touch undersized okay hence one of the reasons why i want to build a version 2.0 a little bit better so although i say it's a little bit undersized we're not exactly talking about building code here but that particular beam is the entire length of the sawmill shack here and it is being supported by all the posts and that beam is supporting all the individual rafters if we have a look up there those rafters they vary in dimensions although within reason you're getting from about five to seven inches in overall diameter you guys see that there in terms of spacing here we're looking at two foot spacing one rafter to the next we're at approximately two feet based on my understanding of uh framing that should be well well within uh parameters well within uh what it should to hold the weight at the back here same idea you guys can see that big long beam here see it there essentially it's just one long tree this has posts every so often and in fact i actually put another post right here i just have it out for right now but i put another post right there for the winter these posts this one and this one used to up until the other day have a tree right behind it why is there no tree there anymore well it's because they're on the ground here this is the area where version 2.0 of the hillbilly hideout's going don't worry about this thing tipping over there's still a live tree there for support there's still a live tree down there for support plus there's three trees at the front and this thing was going to tip over because of the winds and it is a touch windy up there today but if it was going to tip over it would have to essentially break all the ratchet straps and or have these other trees snapped so i'm gonna take the risk on that one now it is a little windy up there today and if you guys have a look up at the canopy you guys see the trees moving around a little bit i wouldn't call it a gale force wind but it is moving if you look at the tops of the trees which are right behind the posts that'll give you a good idea what's happening up there and then if we bring ourselves back down and actually have a lookout what's happening here for motion like there's there's next to nothing happening right so i've been out here and you can see the roof shifting but to be honest with you it's very very minimal at that now let's talk about the dimensions of this thing to start with so first and foremost this is my woodland mills hm130 this has one extension added so i think that brings us to just under 17 feet right around that in terms of overall length in terms of overall width you're very very close i think to six feet and so i wanted a little bit of space on this side obviously a little runway here so i can walk up and down talking about the structure underneath me uh over top of me rather this structure in tor in total length is about 35 feet total width you're at about 11 feet 11 feet and when i say 11 feet i'm talking from this supporting beam to this supporting beam about 11 feet span this right here is right about six feet to the bottom of the log so from the bottom of this beam right to the ground this one up here you're just under eight feet from here down to the ground i think you're actually at like seven foot eight inches something like that from there to there obviously it changes slightly because the ground isn't perfectly level if we look at the distance between posts i tried to stick to about eight feet at the back at the front to be honest with you i just followed wherever there was a tree same thing without the back so it just so happened that eight feet was approximately where i could find those three trees give or take right now if we talk about the overall slope of this roof here judging by what i said six give or take eight feet going across approximately 12 we're at about a 212 pitch that's a fairly low slope this is a steel roof or metal roof as you can see up above you this does not shed snow at all so i actually have to use that thing on the ground there that's a a roof rake and you probably have no idea what that is if you live in a country where you don't get snow but here in canada you pretty much have to have that unless you're going to get up there with a little hand shovel and do it yourself anyways that takes the snow off the roof because even though i have a fairly substantial number of uh rafters here and the diameter is pretty substantial i never do trust a solid snow what ends up happening around here is we can get a foot of snow overnight and if i don't get out here because i'm away or i'm busy and we get several consecutive nights of foot snowfalls well we end up with three feet or four feet up there compacts we end up getting a warm cold front and uh it freezes and ultimately forms ice and it just turns into a nightmare and it's extra heavy so i get up there and get that snow off as soon as i can at least as soon as i remember hasn't collapsed on me yet though and this has been as i said i think three solid winters and uh it could last another winter i'm sure it's just not up to uh my practicality standards we'll call it it's not doing what i wanted to hence why we're building version 2.0 and one other thing i want to show you about this that i want to try to incorporate into version two so the next version of my sawmill shack is a collection system for water water collection system you guys are going to notice i got some eaves troughs here and they're just sort of hanging on the ground uh the reason they're there is i had to take them down when i cut down some trees but what those eavestroughs did was basically they sat on these pieces of wood and i've sort of taken some of them off to facilitate tree cutting you can see them up there i just had them what do you call that uh strapped up there with those zip ties and they ultimately came down and they went to a piece of the big o drain pipe and then it came down to these barrels i have them on both ends of my sawmill why i did that is because if you have a look here it sort of is like a half moon shape right so if water fell here it's not gonna go all the way there it would come this way so i have barrels for drainage on both sides i capture that water because out here i have no source of water aside from trekking through the bush to one of my springs but i need that water in order to fill up my lubrication tank right there i want that in version 2.0 and if you haven't seen me fill this up in the past check out my other videos in the playlist i use one of these this ends up hooking up to your drill and this just uh it's got a garden hose on one end and i don't know what this hoses on the other and this is how i get the water from the blue jugs there the blue uh tanks into the reservoir and get near the end here talking about version 1.0 this is how the sawmill is sitting you'll notice here i've got some wood blocks the wood goes all the way across to the other adjustable leg and then it sits ultimately on a concrete block that's on the dirt this is not ideal this right here would be ideal if you didn't have freeze thaw cycles but here in ontario canada freeze thaw cycles causes this to go out of level um at least once a year in the spring so i have to re-level this that's not that big of a deal but i think if i'm going to redo the sawmill shack i'm going to rethink how i have this position what i'm going to do with version 2.0 i'm going to get the self get myself and this off the ground onto a platform so i'm gonna build essentially a deck everything's gonna sit on it and i'm gonna have the sawmill then sitting on its own big long beams those beams one for each side so one beam for this side one beam for that side will allow me to re-level as necessary by just simply putting shims under two locations probably at the far ends right that's going to hopefully simplify my life a little bit because this setup is not ideal when this goes at a level i got to find out where i can adjust it and if let's say that end has dropped a little bit i got to come down and readjust every single bunk all the way down everywhere it has supports the last thing i'm going to talk about for this particular setup i've got is what is that hearing things out here last thing i'm going to talk about is this right here you guys have a look under there that's nothing too fancy that is what i call the log bunks this is where i load logs onto and just forgive me for all the off cuts right now i've thrown them out the front normally i throw them out the back but i don't want to do any more cleanup out there log bunks this is where i load logs with my tractor i load them here and these log bunks are at such a height so it's just slightly higher than the top of the actual sawmill bed that allows me to pull these things out i don't even know what you call them let's call them outriggers for right now it allows me to pull those out when i want to load a log and i simply use my cant hook and i just roll it down nice and easy i have this on both sides i'm going to try to incorporate something similar on my next particular build but what i'm going to do this time is because i'm on a platform i'm probably going to not have this gap here well maybe i will have that gap actually i haven't even figured that out yet if you guys know what i should do for my platform setup there's something more convenient than this having that gap there i don't know let me know in the comments down below anyways that's pretty much an overview of this particular setup i have this makeshift workbench down here and to be honest with you i tend to just keep my coffee up there and whatever else off the ground i don't do a heck of a lot with that i'm sure i could and down at the other end what i have is a little bit of space where i store lumber to dry you'll notice i'm running out of space here that's why i have lumber out here i think ultimately and definitely not this year i'm going to build a solar kiln so there's a little bit of a teaser for you guys i'm gonna build a solar kiln i don't know where but i need some way to get the wood sort of out of here away from the sawmill and somewhere where it'll dry faster all right so let's talk about why i don't like this particular setup or why i think it can be improved as we get bombarded with pine needles what i don't like about this setup is sort of the placement of the sawmill it should have been further back and one of the reasons why i want it further back and i mean further back into the woods is because if you turn around here and look those trees and that tree line is very close to where i have to load logs when i get logs on the front of this tractor and i have to load it up there i don't have much room here to maneuver and i have to back right up to those trees one day i hope it's not today or tomorrow when i'm loading logs i'm gonna back into a tree over there and whatever these windows cost i know they're not free i'm gonna curse myself for not having the sawmill the new one further back so that's reason number one reason number two that i don't like this sawmill although this is serving a purpose i am a little bit afraid of this low slope anyone who lives in central ontario and has a low slope on a roof you probably worry whenever we have a winter storm warning and believe me that comes up very often around these parts i want to get rid of that low slope my next building is going to have a slope similar to my shop which is a 612. so you're pretty much you know pretty much a good angle so any snow accumulation will self shed and that's what i'm looking for reason number three i don't like this location in this setup when we have snow which as i talk about it all the time it does eventually melt when it eventually melts it goes right down there to the lowest point i've got this raked out so i'm not walking all over debris right well this happens to be the lowest part and as a result everything washes in here so when i get out here in the spring well guess what i'm walking through a big mud pile i end up having to throw down planks so i'm not in that mud and i just don't like it so i'm gonna build myself a platform and get off the ground as i said before i don't like to have my sawmill sitting on these individual concrete blocks because that forces me to do a lot of little adjustments in order to get this thing back into level next version i'm putting this on two large beams so that all i'm having to do is secure this thing to the beam and then when i have to re-level i just shim under one side or the other and ultimately that'll get me back in action faster in the spring now another reason i don't like this setup is if we have a look here this log this way is undercover these logs are out of the cover i want all my logs after i get them stacked up to be out of cover i want them to get rained on some of these get dirt on them and the only opportunity for that dirt to get off it aside from me brushing it off is for it to get rained on i want these logs out from underneath the overhang they don't have to be there they can be wet in actuality that might make it easier for sawing get them out in the elements so that they're not taking up valuable roof space or valuable floor space where i want my sawmill and myself to be covered and not the logs themselves probably the biggest pet peeve i have and the biggest reason i want to switch this out is because i didn't build it for longevity i actually missed a step and i i kick myself for not doing this you sort of live and learn this but i didn't take the bark off these logs before i put them up as raptors what ended up happening then was we ended up getting a whole bunch of insects which lived underneath that uh that bark and they burrowed into the logs now i've had a look and all these logs are solid but there are small little holes where the insects have burrowed their way in and that doesn't sit well with me and if you have a look here you guys can see what i'm talking about there see these little uh burrows and little stuff like that like i don't know what this does long term you know i can speculate that it won't do anything but if we have a look here it could do something right dig all that off it could do something and i just don't know what and to be honest with you my biggest piece of advice if you're gonna build with red pine logs like this get them under cover quickly which i did but get the bark off them that's my biggest regret my biggest uh biggest fear in the back of my mind with this structure that there's some unforeseen i don't know cracking going on because of all the little holes or insects burrowing and it could have a catastrophic failure one day and i don't want to put my name on that that's for sure nope now the wind's really howling i don't know if you guys can see that little bit of a movement there no me neither anyways one of the last things i'm going to tell you guys about that really drives me crazy and it's sort of a sort of an afterthought after i built this structure was where i'm going to put my offcuts as you can imagine i cut lumber right here i throw the offcuts out the back let's go over there and have a look where those offcuts land they land even with my best throw they land right about here so they're sticking out this way well that's fine and dandy but i didn't exactly plan for how i'm gonna get those off cuts out of here when i put this thing up up until recently there's a tree right here and there is a tree right there what these trees prevented me from doing was getting in to where my offcuts were i had no way to get in here with the tractor and pick them up from the side the closest i could get the tractor i could get the edge of the grapple to about here well the offcuts are back there so if i wanted to get them out here i had to pull them from the end reposition them re-pile them and then get a good grab on the side that's not happening now when i throw my offcuts on my new on my new sawmill shack they're going to land out there sort of where the where the wood chips are why that's great is that's a perfect runway for me to get my tractor in i can drive straight in here pick up the offcuts with my grapple move them to a different location if i'm going to reuse them or even just get them out of here and go deal with them somewhere else like chip them or burn them or whatever you're going to do so that was a big consideration here dealing with the offcuts because if you guys have seen my videos i curse those things all the time and it's my own doing so now i think we're going to be in a much better position with the new offshore off shot the new sawmill shelter now i'm standing right about where my new sawmill will be positioned it'll basically be where i'm standing facing that way what's great about this is from time to time i will have logs that are longer than my sawmill bed when i have those i need to slide them in from the end i can't get them around the posts on the actual sawmill shelter so i have to slide them in from the end there's a little bit of fancy cutting involved if you're going to be cutting logs that are longer than your sawmill but i do do it from time to time and the only way to do it is to bring it in this way right to where i'm standing so i can slide it in directly behind the sawmill so if you can imagine on the old setup it would come in directly this way or it would come in down at the other end that way as it stands now i've got my sawmills my what do you call that workbench in the way or i've got this pile of pile of lumber in the way so that doesn't work for this current setup but the new one after i dig those stumps out we'll have a perfect runway for the longer logs now many of you folks have been around the block with me before and you've seen my adventures and misadventures out here at the portable sawmill and many of you folks say hey instead of you giving up on saw milling in the middle of winter like you have been doing the last several years why don't you get out here as best you can and cut some wood in the middle of winter and i agree with you i haven't cut all that much lumber in winter because it is such a challenge to get out here and it's a challenge to get logs piled up in the winter because i can't get around easily with my tractor that's an excuse up until now though what i'm going to do is i'm going to make a change with version 2.0 of my portable sawmill shelter and that's going to include extended log bunks i'm going to have a solid length of log bunks so that i can stack up many many different logs like the ones you see there so that by time winter does roll around even if i can't get the tractor out here i will have enough logs backed up on that log bunk that i can cut all winter long so guys as you can tell i got my work cut out for me i got a whole bunch of ideas i got a whole bunch of reasons i want to change my setup but there comes one issue i am nowhere near ready to go yet so that's what i'm going to get up to right now i'm going to start cutting some wood i'm going to cut that stuff up i'm gonna add a few more beams posts and rafters so that next time you guys see me i'll be putting a nail to the wood i'll be putting this thing into action i'll be getting down to work guys thanks for watching come on back next time if you haven't done so already i would encourage you guys to subscribe if you like this content and check out my playlist sawmill setup so all kinds of videos of me dealing with this hm 130 by woodland mills guys thanks for watching and i'll see you next time you

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Length: 24min 19sec (1459 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 24 2020