Asset Tokenization: Real Assets and New Business Models | Manila 2023

asset tokenization real assets and new business models my name is Megan Nelson I go by crypto Megan I'm a high-end crypto and nft consultant for portfolios and web3 strategy for companies investors and celebrities currently on a world speaking tour and let me just say this conference is absolutely fantastic we're really thrilled to have you all here and we're striving to give you the best experience possible with some amazing content and so um yes without further Ado we're going to kick this panel off we are going to discuss asset tokenization real assets and new business models with arvind Arvin welcome to the fireside chat yeah so um kicking right into it you know we've heard a lot about asset tokenization we've even heard Rumblings from BlackRock themselves that all stocks will be tokenized in the future and you know when BlackRock speaks people listen the world listens so what we're here to discuss today is what is it about asset tokenization that's different than the regular real world model and what makes it more practical and a better use case for a certain things so to kick this talk off Arvin first of all thank you for being here um can we go over a little bit about what asset tokenization is exactly can we explain the definition and what it means and what it does right so if you look at asset tokenization this is a new breakthrough in blockchain technology right so if you can see uh the conventional systems anything such as any assets or Commodities they can be tokenized so literally what you're saying is they can be broken down into small pieces and this makes it easier to own this makes it easier to be transferred and this makes the entire ecosystem more transparent and we can see a lot of this happening uh if you have your company Chef you have your stocks this can also be tokenized and you know this gives you the sense of uh ownership right so ownerships can also be obtained by more people at the moment yeah yeah actually now that we talk about ownership and fractionalization I just launched a podcast on my crypto making YouTube channel to host industry leaders and celebrities doing meaningful things in this space and one of the things I just discussed with yatsu is the co-founder of Anna mocha Brands is digital ownership and fractionalization also we talked about and you know imagine if the Mona Lisa could be fractionalized actually maybe you would get more value out of that Mona Lisa than its real true value today as one piece so there's so many instances where tokenization and fractionalization makes sense but first we need to go into the inner workings of what it does and what it actually is so it allows you to essentially shares of something or pieces of something and makes it more transparent right correct so let's let's take that example of Mona Lisa right so Mona Lisa right now it's Priceless but but imagine there's a price on it let's say it's a million million US Dollars and you know you can only transfer it to one owner or the other right but once you tokenize it let's say each pixel of the Mona Lisa right you tokenize and you can have multiple owners now of that same Mona Lisa right so those are the benefits that someone gets someone can participate uh into the the Fine Arts industry and if you're looking at land you can tokenize your ground your land grant Your Land Title you can tokenize it you can break it down into multiple pieces you can have multiple owners now and yeah so that's that's I think that's what basically sums up tokenization yeah so you can have multiple owners who understand their exact ownership and they can be part of a community and that brings me to the next question because I'm very deeply entrenched in the web 3 space and the crypto space and if any of you have ever been involved here in the nft space back last year I mean many games and many types of projects tried to tokenize things and it didn't work out so well so why is it you know is it hard is it difficult why do things not work out when they try to tokenize them initially what are some of those reasons I think one of the reasons one of the main reasons I see uh firstly the technology is new there's a lot of understanding that has to happen before you can step into this and it also adds a level of complexity to your existing system right so that and then you have the regulations there is those clear regulations on uh how can this be done so I think a lot of companies have actually just jumped the gun they have gone ahead Full Steam we don't really have a platform to for these assets to be tradable as well uh liquidity has been low and I think that is why most of these companies fail in my opinion I have personally been involved in a field project as well and you know one of these reasons had contributed to it so what was one of the reasons that it didn't succeed one of the reasons were you know there were a lot of a lot of flaws in the in the smart contract itself since the technology is relatively new the flaws can easily be exploited if it's not been audited well they can have loopholes so the assets that I had personally purchased were you know transferred to someone else out of instant so so these are the flaws that can happen yeah and I think it's important for everybody who wants to tokenize business assets and kind of like change the way we do business to understand what's the difference why um why tokenize something instead of just keeping it the traditional system right okay let's take my business for instance right let's say I want to raise capital and the fastest way is to tokenize my shares my equities in the company so once I tokenize my equities I can you know immediately open it up to a larger Community compared to a retail sophisticated investors or Angel Investors I can have more people on a piece of my company and I think for global company for MNC companies I think this is this should be the way forward for people like us who want to participate in the growth of those companies and that is why tokenization should be taken in as a consideration you know especially when they are lifting their shares and going into IPOs yeah and a lot of that tokenization is done by way of a Dao correct right um so can we give the audience the definition of a dow and maybe how that works right so adao is a decentralized or distributed autonomous organization so what they do they have a council they have the Tao members and um so adult is relatively a normal Association if you would put it but if it doesn't have a entity and if Government internally buy the tokens so every of the assets that has been tokenized are in the form of a doubt because there has to be a certain form of governance there has to be a certain voting involved there has to be certain policies in place and in order to maintain the value of those assets right and actually Dows are really interesting to me because they allow for the people to govern and to communicate and to build amongst themselves from the ground up not the top down and so one example of that is board API Club I don't know if you've all seen the monkey nfts but it's so much more than a monkey jpeg or picture it's a whole club it's a membership I'm a part of board Apache club and I've seen how the Dow works and there's tokens we are all governing that system through our tokens through the tokens that we hold as a share in that company in that Dao so we can vote on proposals we can literally shape the way the future goes and not have it dictated by the few who are in power and it's actually very empowering for the people and it's an interesting way to run the community so that's one really cool asset tokenization I mean that's one reason to have a token within your system is to allow people to help with the governance and the voting and to be a part of that system right and then on the flip side we can also tokenize different types of companies and organizations with within the traditional systems that we have now I know you have some really cool examples of those right so um this was in Bali I was invited uh Lafayette to Bali to party fit in a a property launch right a new real estate launch but uh you know this was a little bit different each of the units of the real estate of this hotel was tokenized right so they can be seven uh owners to each unit and you can own a piece of it so that was something really interesting to me because um you know uh for me to afford the entire unit might not be possible but now you know to just own a portion of it and earn time shares out of it I think it was quite interesting and that was one of the projects which I participated and this was late last year but unfortunately the project did not succeed right the project had a lot of flaws there was errors in the governance but it was something new for me and it was something that I think everyone should explore right and um yeah that's about it yeah okay so it you said that it was a cool idea but it didn't work out and there have been a lot of of attempts to tokenize things from my experience and someone deeply involved in this community what it takes to have a successful launch with the token is building that community and making sure that all the community is educated and that you have a proper education on what a dow is and for me the reason why I bring up board API Club is because it's the perfect example of how Community work members work together day in and day out to make that work and generally when you're a company and you're going to launch a token if you don't have that infrastructure of community of of people who want to be a part of it it's not going to work out because it needs to be sustainable right and I think that's the main problem with asset tokenization is not making it sustainable from the get-go by building that Community First right right I think I think I would say the same for the Ico Market um you know that the bull market in 2017 where everyone was trying to launch their own tokens without creating the community as what you have mentioned and we saw a lot of projects succeed but at the same time there were more that failed right so I think building the community has always been the most challenging part educating them uh keeping them in the loop keeping them excited and you know markets can be volatile right and you know keeping them engaged during the downtime equally as important right yeah can you give us another example of maybe one of the tokenized assets that you've invested in or seen that's interesting yeah so I I think here in the Philippines if you you know uh Fargo Island so this is one of the islands where they have partnered with one of the NF uh we love and they have NF uh they are launch they have relief nfts I've not read uh in depth about it but I think it's a really interesting uh initiative because now you can own a part of the of the Thiago Villa you can have time shares from it and it's something that I'm looking to explore and it's happening right here in the beans that's very cool an island in the Philippines huh right so basically but what you're saying is you have to really understand the team who's behind it the mission the goal and how it's structured there's a lot of intricacies in having a successful token that really has a use in your system or utility in your system and I'm going to discuss one with you now that I've never discussed at any other conference before because we have the pleasure of having this be a fireside chat so I was just in Morocco for a very exclusive conference at the king's hotel with a Moroccan ambassadors and we were discussing a new project I'll call it an undertaking called Tomy and Tomi is a whole decentralized internet infrastructure so basically you can access this from anywhere in the world nobody will be blocked it's not censored but there's a Dao and there's a treasury and those tokens are what's used to make the system go around so basically those tokens are what you invest in new domains because it's just beginning so you can mint things like nike.com apple.com on this decentralized internet infrastructure so it's super cool cool and those tokens that you use to Mint those Tomy tokens they go back into the treasury when you mint so it's very important that those tokens have a real utility and that there's a real Community behind them and a real structure about it and a reason to have the token not just to have the token to have the token so um this this Tomy decentralized internet infrastructure is really interesting it's also a browser it's a wallet all decentralized and it's really incredible I'll be talking more about that at my booth and also running giveaways for Tommy tokens on a ballet card so you can come and see me at my booth but I just wanted to give that as an example of you know using a token when it matters to allow the community to have a voice and to have a say and to vote and I can't stress this enough if you're a company that's going to launch a token just to launch a token it's most likely not going to work out there has to be a whole thought process behind this an incentive and a way for it to maintain its value or else people aren't going to use that what you tell does that token actually have and in this case if you're buying into fractionalized shares of something then that's your shares right in other cases you have governance in a dow so really what we need to to take a look at here is what is the use case for this and how does it actually elevate your company what's the difference between keeping it web 2 or going to web3 let's go let's go to that question why not just keep it the way it is keeping it the way it is uh there are a lot of middlemen right so we want to eliminate those I think those are one of the main things if you want to eliminate uh it improves it reduces administrative costs definitely because the Dow takes care of the entire system uh and you're also looking at it it it makes it easier for you to transfer the methods so a lot of uh challenges that have been in the webto world can be solved with tokenization and one of the examples is I didn't have to go through the whole process of finding an FNP or going through the bank to get my credit score checked and if I have enough of those tokens I can immediately get into purchasing these assets with a very low entry barrier right yeah low yeah low barrier entry that's that's interesting you can also tokenize real estate in the way that you can invest in these shares or also just buy real estate outright with crypto right which is much easier than removing the middleman and that's also something that I'm working on enabling crypto payments in different parts of the world for luxury villas or high-end places where people want to use their crypto that they've they've made gains on since the beginning when they bought it and there's nowhere to spend it I mean that's the real ideal Vision here is that we can spend our crypto that we can transact interact but there must be a purpose and a Dao is one of the most effective ways in running that depending on you know what your goals are as a company and what you're trying to build right right so I think if you are looking at dials the most successful doubt you know it's ethereum right you can see how the the ecosystem is governed you can see how the Voting is happening you can see all the ethereum Improvement proposals that are coming out in the Dow and I think this model if it's replicated to any entity who's who's looking to tokenize their assets or real estate Collectibles you know if this model were to to be duplicated I think they will go a very long way yeah and another another thing I thought about which is a good use case for people who are trying to run affiliate systems even just simple affiliate systems imagine right now our affiliate systems is you sign up with my link and I'll give you a back-end so you can see everybody that's signing up maybe maybe you see them all and then we have to pay you out at the end and depending on when we pay you out what if there was just a system to where you know there was a smart contract and immediately after that accident action executed of the affiliate the tokens hit their wallet and there's no question about how many people have I onboarded what's going on when will you pay me I mean this this is what blockchain was invented for to make it fast easy efficient and transparent super transparent this whole place is about traffic right we're talking traffic how do we make Affiliates happy we get them instantly paid based on when the transaction is verified on the blockchain with a smart contract tracked and there is nothing in the web 2 world that can replicate that model right I think it's interesting when you talk about affiliate because I run an e-commerce store right so we are one of the largest Hardware wallet resellers throughout southeast Asia so we do International shipment we do um affiliate system but as you mentioned probably it's easier said than done right so when we try to implement there are a lot of levels of complexities um you know there there has to be a separate division set up for it there has to be an education to it uh there has to be a lot of beta testing and then you have the community aspect of it so we have all these challenges where navigating it might take some time but as you mentioned definitely it's going to be the Best Way Forward yeah I think it's it's much harder obviously for web 2 companies to adopt this model if you're web3 native it's much easier um specifically what I was referencing is the affiliate process in Tomi that I was talking about earlier when you can see that those tokens are instantly deposited to your wallet based on the action that you did it's much faster and much more clear for everybody involved so I think I think all of these different use cases are really vital to companies transitioning to web3 to think about not just tokenizing to tokenize because that doesn't always work right and what else should we keep in mind what about the tokenization of I think I think what we should keep in mind is uh tokenization is one thing but the infrastructure to Market this is another thing right we also need to look into platforms whether platforms are ready you know nft was a thing during what during uh you know uh crypto funds and you know the rock ethereum rock but there was no until Open Seas came on board that's when you see the volume started to pick up and in terms of asset tokenization we don't really have an exchange or a platform that holistically performs all these actions so even with the best infrastructure you have tokenized you have the best governance but if there North and infrastructure in place to facilitate this movement then it's going to be a little bit difficult yeah that whole question too I hosted a conference in Paris not too long ago and it was industry leaders and it was a question of does web2 have a place in web 3 and and how should we go about that and and one of the representatives from Google was there and he was basically saying we we need the scalable infrastructure that's built from web2 to help us make this movement bigger whether or not you agree or if you're you know super web 3 entrenched like I am sometimes that is what we need is that business grade level of scalability and protection right so right so um I think the newer tokens are working on that on scalability I think ethereum is moving that I think a lot of them are focusing on scalability like the recent DK that is out and these are all new technology which has not been tested in large volumes right so once these are tested once The Regulators are happy because eventually it has to go through the regulated map if you are tokenizing an asset if you're tokenizing a real estate it has to go through a regulated so scalability has always been the issue you know how decentralized it is it's always been an issue how secure is it has always been an issue so this trial lineman in the blockchain have people following each section of it um being on the right infrastructure is equally as important and how web 2 can transition into web3 yes web3 has got a lot of catching up to do nevertheless the money is in web 2 and you know we need to slowly start channeling the money into web free he says about how we could go about this even for creators uh tokenization can be really powerful um how many of you or any of you in the audience are thinking about tokenizing your company or you know you as a Creator introducing a token to your economy anybody I know this is a really like tricky thing to do so for creators it can be really powerful as well for your community to be able to vote and have a say in maybe what the con kind of content you make or also play into your affiliate system your loyalty system there are so many different ways we could go about it right yeah I think back in my country they are trying to experiment on tokenizing our driving license right so uh it becomes something immutable it becomes something that stays on the blockchain so these are the experiments that they are currently sandboxing and I feel there has to be more sandbox right there has to be more trial and error more they should be given a space the regulator should give us pain for people to try out new ideas to try out new Innovations and see how it pans out yeah so let's talk about BlackRock for a minute and the flow of money and the tokenization of stocks what do you think that's going to do for the industry once stocks are tokenized I think it's going to take a long time for that to happen right it's not going to happen in the next one or two years but of course the liquidity will the liquidity will greatly improve people like Earth who are on this side of the world can participate in in those tradings we don't have to go through an intermediary stock broker and I think it gives more access to the retail Market compared to the institutional market and yeah that is going to take the prices somewhere else so what are you working on right now in your company so yeah so we are as I mentioned we are one of the largest Hardware wallet resellers so we work with Brands like Ledger Tresor whole wallet uh to distribute these products throughout southeast Asia and I also lead the Malaysian blockchain Association so we work on policies on Frameworks and work a lot with Regulators to create this safe space for Innovations to happen so those are the things that we are currently working on and our asset organization is definitely one of the things that we are trying out and yeah let's see where it goes so what are some of the regulation talks around token token ask asset tokenization okay so um back in my country there have no and where can you repeat your country by the way Malaysia Malaysia yeah I'm living right next door so yeah so right now um we are in a regulated market we have four regulated exchanges in Malaysia ieo is is already legalized you can read funds through token in Malaysia I think that's one of the biggest thing that you can so now it's something so you can do your IPO like yes and that's totally totally um on tokens regulated there and it's totally fine so um yeah so custody license is already being issued so you have the entire ecosystem in place so now it's all about that entity who is willing to tokenize to fulfill those criterias and they can do their uh token launch in Malaysia itself what are some of those criterias okay so one of those criterias is your minimum beta Capital it's the team behind it uh you're also going to look at the audit companies who are involved in auditing your contracts who are the target markets and they will have to go through a Sandbox and to see whether if this contracts can be exploited or if this is something that solves a problem right so basically it's they left it open you can just go in put in your application and uh we will be there to consult each company along the way on their way to getting themselves regulated or raising their Capital so I think we are in the right direction but uh we have not gotten any companies to stir up the regulation was just announced last year so I think moving forward we will see a lot of new Innovations happening in in back in my country yeah so no country has passed that regulation Point yet no sorry no project no project has have passed that regulation Point yet but uh we will soon see because we just got to exchange us who are authorized to do this uh exchange offerings and since they were just recently authorized I think we have to wait up for the projects to the exchanges need to get that regulation as well for the projects to be able to go through those exchanges okay so that's interesting that's pretty pretty ahead of the game compared to most countries right yeah I was back in Europe last month I was at BDC Prague and um you know I had a chance to go through many countries and many other conferences there and we see how the mindset of the European compared to Asia have is completely different they can't accept the fact that we work with Regulators they connected the fact that we build policies and Frameworks for Regulators around the space so and in the year in the European fight it's more about being decentralized it's about self-governance it's about self-custody but here I think the technology is being used in a completely different way and those are the things that are really interesting to me yeah that's really interesting so you're saying Europe narrative is more about decentralization and self-custody and so what would you say is the difference with your country with Malaysia or this side of the world in that respect right right so I think the problems being faced by Europe are not essentially the problems being faced here I think our government has always been supportive uh I think if you look in the Philippines uh you know they are also a regulated market our governments have been subsidizing us in a lot of ways so we are we are like the Pampered uh people here right so and I think we by working with them we get more things through by working with them I think they have always been uh on the side that you know listens to us and try to work alongside Earth and of course consumer protection or investors protection is also something which is um which has to be highly looked into but other than that they are completely open to explore new ideas with us so the difference is that The Regulators want to work with people on the blockchain council right to come up with this regulation versus things like we're seeing in the US where one man decides the fate of everything right right like we won't name his name but you know like so that's a big difference but I always say how are we still using things like the Howie test and this ancient test to govern and decide whether this new technology is decentralized or a security or not I mean it's like trying to fit a round pack into a square hole right I think this has always been an issue because if you look at southeast Asia per se in Malaysia cryptocurrency is regulated as a security in Singapore is regulated as payment and I think in Philip in Indonesia it's regulated as a commodity so so wait security yes commodity and and a payment token payment token so three different types of regulations across how many countries across three countries so what what is it regulated as in Malaysia we are regulated as Securities in Malaysia security so when you go into the topic of payment that's where you get stuck right so because uh when it goes in security we are governed by the security information but payment is governed by the National Bank so we have got two different entities governing and so not all crypto has to fall under security right certain ones can fall under payments and others as Commodities so in Malaysia any crypto you own goes under security so it falls under the Securities act so if you do payments via crypto it is not regulated at the moment so these are the initiatives that we are pushing through but if you look at Singapore for instance you can use crypto as payment because it's already regulated but crypto as a security is not regulated in Singapore so they have a different identity identity crypto has a different identity but you and I know being in the faith for long enough you can't fit a you know a circle into a square hole right so so I think it has got a gender crisis yeah yeah I think like I just did a Twitter spaces with Charles hoskinson he's the founder of cardano and that man is amazing I mean love or hey cardano his ideals and his vision and his thoughts for the way the space should be run and the Integrity we need to see is absolutely amazing you should all go check that Twitter space out it's on my YouTube um but he says that why don't we come up with a system to measure levels of decentralization not all crypto and not everything falls under necessarily falls under security right like maybe we need to come up with a system to measure scientifically how decentralized it truly is and not just label everything under one belt so I think that's what we're going to see in the future is coming up with a system that allows for us to to identify to know whether you know this is a security or not and not just default them all to the same category right um yeah but as I mentioned it might take a few years it it um the whole industry is still a work in progress so it's gonna be interesting to see what to come in the US yeah yeah I know there's definitely some interesting things become an asset tokenization is just getting started so we're just working through the hurdles and jumping through the loops and trying to kind of like work in the dark but everybody that's getting acquainted with this now is going to win long term most definitely right so what of what are some of your most exciting use cases that you've seen for asset tokenization so we discussed real estate Capital to Reef capital I think that's another uh interesting area to explore um you know uh we we see artworks Collectibles being tokenized and um there I think I think it is Limitless right I think anything can be tokenized but whether it serves the utility it serves the function uh that is the question but you know we see a lot of small communities small projects who are onboarding because they don't have much to lose you know this is something they can try this is something they can move forward to but we want to it is being absorbed in large entities we want to see governments being involved you want to see MNC is getting involved so those are the things that this the success of the smaller projects is going to determine whether you know the web through companies or the larger entities are going to buy the idea yeah so we're kind of like in trial and error right now right and what about for voting you know in countries tokenizing that and making that on putting that on the blockchain I mean there's so many different ways we can go about this um and speaking of Charles Hoskins and one of the funniest quotes he said in that interview was he can make the American election system look like a toy with blockchain so I mean like we're there we just need to start and and get going on that path right I think I think voting has been on the on the pipeline for the longest time uh but you know it's being implementing it is being a challenge because coming back to education coming back to regulations right and if you look at what they should do probably it should start in in smaller sections it should start in a in a sandbox Hub and then they can scale it to a larger but if you look at India today most of their votings are done online compared to Earth in Malaysia we still have to go and put our finger in the ink and go and cross the person we want to work for but you know things are moving towards digital first and then I then it should move into um tokens yeah so we're moving a little bit more lightning speed here in web 3 but we're waiting for you know sort of the web 2 world to we need to come together right right in order to initialize and make this Mass adoption happen all right we need to come together and make both sides understand why this is good look at the mistakes that projects have made and why they've failed what's going on what what can we do better how do we make this more secure right those are the things that we can have in mind for the future right so um I think in terms of web 2 the market cap is really huge compared to what's happening in web3 uh you know with with new experiments going around Bitcoin now you can launch an nft or Bitcoin being the most decentralized asset ever I think the new ordinals is something that we really want to see and see what it can do it claims to solve what ethereum couldn't so there are Innovations continuously happening right it has to come to a point where something is adopted right Innovations can keep going but somewhere along the way one of this has to be adopted into mainstream one of it has to be tested rigorously and um and say yeah this is the thing this is what we want to move forward with because we have got so many different ecosystems we've got the ethereum we've got the polygon we've got the uh you know you know what that there's a lot of it so there has to be something that's adopted and implemented on so that's that's my take on this and I think a lot of you know whether we like it or not a lot of the web 2 Brands the big web 2 brands are going to come in and give this more visibility so it also depends on what they do and how they execute it and and whether they come in and we just had an example in the nft community about Pepe uh you know pepecoin there was one nft guy who minted a small nft for like three dollars each like 60 000 of them and the whole Community jumped in but then some real players from the web 2 audience jumped in and made it blow up and gave it much more visibility and more and more people had eyes on it so you know we're gonna have to work together on both sides to bring that visibility to people who I know Jasmine I think was saying it we don't necessarily want to know how the technology Works in depth or you know everything that's going on under the hood they just want it to be easy they want to be able to join and they want to understand and that's the credibility and the visibility that a lot of web 2 Brands Mega Brands can bring to this I think that's something very interesting that you can see here in the Philippines because gcash right I think it's one of the largest e-wallet providers in the Philippines with access to 79 million users has just jumped into G crypto so now imagine 79 million users have got a crypto wallet in their hand already so adoption will definitely Skyrocket we have got Globe which is their local Telco here in the Philippines are also looking into going into the metal with the partner with a company called metabusco and you know they are working some things together so this webto companies when infrastructure based webto companies get into the space uh that's when you'll see adoption skyrocketing and more people getting involved in the space yeah yeah so gcash tell us more a little bit more about that when we're as we're wrapping up in the panel the what right so yeah so I'm not a Filipino and gcash is not open to foreigners so uh but I've got my chance to to use it to explore it so gcash is a e-wallet uh payment system as we know Philippines is largely underbanked and they gave access to millions of them the banking capacity so it's a digital bank now and recently they just launched a new product called G crypto I think they partnered with an exchange called PDX so I'm not mistaken and now everyone on the app should be able soon enough should be able to buy and sell crypto I think this is going to be the first step to mass adoption right that's really cool and sometimes the LeapFrog effect when people go directly from unbanked to crypto right that's also a really incredible phenomenon so really cool this has been an amazing discussion uh what's next for you what's next on the roadmap yeah so what's next on the roadmap is um I think back in my country I have got this proposals to push payments through uh to get payments regulated uh to make payments and remittances are something more streamlined so that's next for me and of course as the topic suggests we are also looking at getting more assets tokenized we are looking to get Land Titles tokenized and you know we are starting off with our driving life driver's license yeah that's amazing I can't wait to see the evolution of what happens here in Malaysia um what's next for me I'll be continuing with the podcast and with aibc to Malta and Cyprus and I'll be doing several more panels and a keynote here throughout this time as far as asset tokenization I'm running a really cool giveaway at my booth which is right down here I would love you all to stop by and say hi and tomorrow I'll be doing live on-site a podcast with Clinton Sparks who's one of the biggest DJs in the world so please feel free and come say hi we're going to discuss the movement of music and web3 and it's going to be really fun and awesome and I'm just really happy to see you guys all here today learning and soaking it all in so thank you thank you so much foreign

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Published: Fri Aug 11 2023