AOC To UFO Whistleblowers: 'If You Were Me, Where Would You Look?'

chairman I yield back negative 21 seconds thank you Mr okay ocasio-cortez thank you Mr chairman and thank you to our Witnesses for coming here today I do concur with the ranking member as well as several other members here on this committee that this is a committee for whistleblowers and for the protection of whistleblowers as well so we understand what you're putting um on the table here and we're putting on the line here and we thank you for that Mr Krush you sat on the unidentified anomalous phenomenon task force created in the 2020 ndaa correct yes there have been some things that uh that have been mentioned here during this hearing that I wanted to pick up on um Mr Graves you mentioned specifically during the answer to one of your questions you named Boeing contractors um being engaged in an incident regarding this Red Cube about a football football field wide I was wondering if you could speak a little bit about the interaction or Mr gresh either of you the interactions between defense contractor companies and na UAP related programs or activities so I'll just say that the information about uh the contractor himself were provided by a witness and I have no particular detail in that relationship Mr gresh uh the kind of General unclass wave tops certainly the contractors you know or the metal Benders so to speak the ones actually uh doing specific performance on government contracts are they required um to issue any disclosure regarding UAP sightings or do they engage in any uh reporting around this in terms of the contractors not that I'm aware of they do not okay now when it comes to notification that you had mentioned about um irap program I read programs we have seen defense contractors abuse their contracts before through this committee I have seen it personally and I have also seen the notification requirements to Congress abused um I am wondering one of the loopholes that we see in the law is that there is at least from my vantage point is that depending on what we're seeing is that there are no actual definitions or requirements for notification are there what methods of notification Did You observe like when they say they notified Congress how did they do that do you have insight into that uh for certain irad activities I can only think of one's conventional in nature sometimes they throw flow through certain out of say sap programs that have cognizant authority over the Air Force or something and those are congressionally reported compartments but ired is literally internal to the contractor so as long as it's money either profits private investment Etc to put a finer point on it when there is a requirement for any agency or company to Motif or any agency to notify Congress do they contact the chairman of a committee do they get them on the phone specifically is this through an email to hypothetically a dead email box a lot of it comes through what they call the PPR periodic program review process if it's a you know a sap or controlled Access program equity and then those go to the specific committees whether it be the SAS Cask you see thank you um I apologize I just my time is limited um Mr Graves one of your main concerns that the FAA currently does not have an official process to receive reports of UAP from Pilots or others correct correct and um in your experience what data should the Aero program prioritize for potential collection we have you know location date time but are there other specific active characteristics that should be included in these reports certainly I think that there's two categories that would be important one would be kinematics and understanding the specifics of how the vehicle or objects are moving and the second would be a more zoomed out approach of being able to look at origin and destination after before the incident as well as getting a better contextual understanding of how these uh these objects are interact with each other thank you now I only have a minute left I apologize we only have five minutes today but um for the record if you were me where would you look titles programs departments regions if you could just name anything and I put that as an open question to the three of you I'd be happy to give you that in a closed environment I can tell you specifically thank you um Commander fraver I would say and I've told people that you have to know where to look they're not going to divulge it to you because of classification levels but if you know where to look and who to talk to which is exactly Mr Gresham point you then you then you have them okay Mr Graves I was an operator so I was defending on folks like Mr garage to do that homework okay thank you very much I yield back to the chair

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Published: Wed Jul 26 2023