AMD Threadripper CPU Lapping & LN2 Prep, ft. Bearded Hardware & 3970X

oh my god is that is that signed by Wow hey everyone I am here with Joe Stefan Z aka bearded hardware and we're gonna be laughing a threader for CPU so that nice text that's on top of it that everyone gets all excited about seeing bye bye take it away so this has functional purpose its to improve the well I'll let you describe it so we're gonna lap it for a reason why don't you go ahead and talk through it if you look at them they're they're kind of oh I'm not as flat as they look is summer concave summer convex yeah you'll see that better kind of flow I mean it would actually be see you'll actually see it a lot more when we actually take the chip out and go through and when you sand it and stuff but a lot of these big chips they're so it's like when they're getting soldered and everything they kind of warp so like we want to get it nice and flat so that the pots flat and then is ssy HS but we have some footage where I worked with kingpin previously actually I'll talk about this more in a little bit but you can see the high in the low spots as you sand yeah and so that Delta is what kind of dictates the stability and overclock and stuff like that so we're gonna work on that today we have a thirty nine ninety X coming in on loan from another youtuber whom I can't a name but you can take guess who it is in the comments and we're gonna be streaming that probably on Sunday of this weekend and when this video goes live check a Twitter at gamers access for timelines on that and then also probably I'll have a comment the comment section below a pin to the top with the time we're gonna stream so that's a plan but for this one we're gonna lap the CPU and the Alan teapot before that this video is brought to you by gigabytes X 570 master motherboard the X 570 master is what we use for all of our rise in 3000 CPU reviews and for extreme overclocking streams with the 3900 X the master is built to handle more current than you'll push through your eyes in CPUs it has actual finned heat sinks for the V RMS and it features a massively overhauled two gigabyte BIOS pick up the x5 Sony master for your horizon 3000 CPU at the link in the description below this is a 39 70 X to be very clear today we're lapping this one the 39 90 X is in the mail the way to us so we can stream with it but we want to try this process out first on the cheaper but still very expensive of the two chips and Joe has to do this anyway for his thirty nine seventy acts to improve some of his clocks and scores this is what we're gonna be doing today just a quick teaser but the reason we're bringing this part of the clip forward in the video is because we realized after seeing some comments on some tweets I did that a few people didn't quite get why we're doing this so we should make that clear earlier on so this isn't strictly for thermal improvement and we're not working with an air cooler or a liquid cooler no so the reason for this is to improve contact and as I understand it decrease the risk or the severity of cracking of the paste as you have big temperature changes when you bring the temperature all the way down bring it back up Joe anything you want to add on why we're doing this because a lot of people didn't seem we saw comments that were like I've done that and there's not a big temperature difference that's not what it's about though it's not really but well the thing is is you're testing I'm talking about overclocking so I won't get more with liquid nitrogen well yeah but even on air you'll get a little bit more like you'll get a little bit extra like for instance I did that like I was saying before or whenever about the ninety nine hundred K that I always talked about that basically it went from a five to or fifteen chip to at five three r v with it laughing just slapping a totally different by the way there is a difference in a lot of the testing so when we did the ninety nine eighty XC and some of the other chips it'll vary but sometimes you'll see a big core to core Delta change so a lot of people say there's no difference have no idea how to test a processor for thermals to begin with and they're just looking at the CPU temperature number in the maximum column and hardware info after running it for maybe a few minutes and really what you do is look at quarter quarter Delta's because that will improve as you reduce the height Delta from the different spots on the IHS so there is an improvement a lot of people test it improperly and even if you don't see an improvement in direct thermals there is one in the mounting quality go for extreme overclock or just overclocking in general yeah seven the trickiest we're trying to get the best possible so yes this is what you got to do that's right alright so for what I was saying we did a video previously with events with cane pen where he's he's all fancy these days he's got his sandy machine his minion yeah so he's got a just a spinning disc sander and it helps him get a a I guess um more perfect sand but we worked on the 1980s see when I was with him and the biggest thing was as we sanded it down you can see towards the edges and the center there were some spots that would show copper before yeah that's a you can tell like if it's convects or if it's concave like you can actually see it as you sand it because obviously the you'll see the copper will start being exposed on the sides and that means it's going like dip it in like this uh-huh yeah if they if you're staying in it and the outside basically it's it's getting copper that means you have a big hole in the middle yeah so if you still have nickel plating in the center obviously it's not getting sanded off as fast the other stuff and so you have to be careful a few things like pressure we'll talk about all that once we get set up but the big takeaway here first of all this almost certainly voids your warranty but you could do it at home and it would have would have actual potential benefit this is the kind of thing you do for if you're interested in competitive OC or you just want to have a fun project but it is possible to lap something poorly and end up with a less even surface hard to do but it's possible so Jo will will help provide some guidance on that if you want to follow on at home with maybe a less expensive chip or something and improve your thermals we are not lapping the thirty nine ninety X we're gonna do is a thirty nine seventy yeah just garbage basically for us only thirty two it yeah we we have a choice two cores no I'm honest the course I was expecting more from you honestly what I was yeah I was thinking maybe get a better chip so yeah so we have to obviously take this apart woman this socket is way different compared to the intel socket if you look at the orders at the LGA 30 what is it there 647 I want ya 36:47 like this mounting mechanism you don't have this on Intel like yeah this is what I wish was on the Intel Xeon yeah I don't think I touched any of the I thought you would be prepared for this what I'm doing this next time I'll bring my own tools you know it's frowned upon in the airport printing tools yeah yeah you know look at all that thermal paste yeah if they're replaced that's the one thing like you literally need to that car not yeah you you actually got crying out from Roman mm-hmm I can't get pots from I can't get these things from Roman but actually technically I don't even get it from Roman so yeah I got it from his friend yeah who knows how to ship things the how are you doing everything good do you know how to use that oh just making sure get into here see I did not pull it up at all the Pens will be just flat ah can I forget how you do it because with the is it think about the opposite direction yeah I always forget because of just stuck because of all your yeah that's a problem holy crap hello you just pull it out I'm a little afraid of just dropping down a bucket up their own pace until the socket actually it was worse when I got it okay these are don't drop the CPU in the socket I've done now there's more thermal paste to add to the Matt do you want to sign this let's sign this sorry yes so this Matt has been in we don't really some Arista value I find it that's true although mine is right over there yeah this man has been on the livestream table for since we moved in and this one's been in use for a while so Joe has worked behind it the most with me and there's like burn marks and there's they're all paste everywhere so there's mark right there I was gonna get Joe to I'm kind of disappointed so she'd be burnt more yeah we could do that we got a more fun it is our anniversary right that's right it's pretty close yeah one year I get anniversary of streaming of streaming geez let's see I'm just do you know right oh right you know just like words hard nice share put the one in there and be like the bower so I put a 1 in here cuz I'm number one Oh does he do that no here's that it's the 8 in everything yes what's because it's a baby alright let's let's do some work here there we go clean it off well let me ask first between that let's do this let's take that's the job so lapping stuff you want a flat service obviously you said you prefer glass yeah they say tempered glass is pretty much one of the closest you can get to flat flat I don't have a glass table here but you had an idea that I actually liked yes so I usually I usually use was at p3 so the panel take p3 case there's a glass tempered glass panel panel I guess yeah well it's kind of your top like you could flip it on the side and you can do the table I you know sometimes just a panel you know someone's more of an overclocker when they can't remember what cases are like builds are they don't use case it's dead I don't use cases so yeah we've got a we've got a room full of cases let me go grab a glass panel and while I do that like guys mine's pretty nice though I have a nice one that has my logo on it that's third let me so well I know it's like gotta be my comes off right okay get out of here I want you you want to grab some crc or something there's some on the Shelf up there where is it where do you buy this one I tell you to buy the red one never does it this is what happened with the when I dropped the AMD chip cuz we use this one and not my normal one ah all right we need paper towels now paper towels big towels this is the fun part the nice and messy part see what's nice about Intel or death Red River chips you don't have little pins on the back look at that so pretty I found it yes for the easiest case that we've had first you take off the outer circle pact of that cooking show well see and you need sandpaper I've got that yes we need different to what grit do you like to use for this well usually we use the lowest grit to start off this is not sponsored by craftsman we've got 400 600 800 a thousand here I have some more I've already stopped about 800 roots out that style it's not really a thought you wet sand it all for this or do you just put a little bit of water in there okay we're gonna spit on race open yet see this this controversy oh right there I don't know how it got there what look at there's a big market for what I don't know but I mean um my nice marking my I didn't validates all your results exactly that's what sucks I have the feeling I've seen these chips before and like they're literally like really bad I've been feeling this thing will get a little bit please see it Andrew it's right there you know me dig this rod into the IHS see if we didn't expand it well you can stand it you know you're the one who's gonna be standing this right right no it's gonna how do you think the I got this to be so big and manly right by sanding see by standing CPUs all right so I've got I have up to 3000 if you want that mirror finish but I ask you this when we when I did this thing with Vince and we lapped the 90 DXE he said he likes to kind of scuff up the service a little bit for some extra bite for grip no do you like doing that to you or do you like a smoother finish though that for me actually yeah I did I used to do that okay no no the reason why my theory behind it is because you know like you ever they had a car like are you in the car I have had I have owned cars you've owned cars here or paint a car like a lot of guys that paint cars they usually yeah well they like say you'll have a primer down you basically scuff up the paint so you have the paint to adhere so it's the same theory with pace basically if you can it helped the pot like I'd hear a little bit better so funny is it supposed to help prevent cracking of the pastes that's basically what it is it's to try to limit cracking and to try to limit any air underneath right because it seems like my theory is is that it's more air getting underneath than it is like with the pace just losing just cracking well yeah and I should I should note this to what we're talking about here is dealing with extreme temperature change so yeah it's like like air getting in there or the mountain becoming bad is pretty common because you're going minus 198 degrees Celsius potentially up to six yeah yeah it's 196 degrees Celsius the mass and then potentially up to maybe when you're heating it up to fix like cold boot bugs you might go minus 50 or maybe than zero if you're kind of at the end of your session or whatever yeah so there's big Delta there and that can impact things yeah I mean the the term crack comes from like literally like when you would be running and all of a sudden you'd we'd run or load on a system and it would be like you'd you know must see like you could feel like the how much load it's going and all of a sudden they would pop crack you can hear it you can actually hear it crack like it's not it's not a fun little crack yet that's like an old man I broke something crack nothing's actually broken right it's just the paste well what happens is is basically imagine not putting a cooler on your CPU because the literally the the pace cracks and then there's that means there's no medium in between to so you're basically running an open chip with nothing on it oh so pretty like me I've got to do that Linus face we gonna tape these down yeah so usually what I uses some type of duct tape you know Sarah 400 400 like 80 great usually it was something this bad like how much of a divot it is like we're gonna I'm gonna be saving a lot yeah this is the it was when you need minions yeah what is this is this like the tiniest sandpaper ever I would have brought it Boar's Head vapor what is this we've all next to each other I'm gonna have to go like this we can go buy a larger sound here if you want oh you're probably just you know I could probably do it but it's gonna be so I usually do it on an hour when they're closed oh no we can't go get it okay just get the Morris five sandpaper the right way okay there's a little tiny sandpaper like that that's the whole time just circle we sand this side yeah okay we had to go to an auto store to get this because the local hardware store didn't have sandpaper yeah so we got where we starting with 220 yeah we're gonna do 20 to 20 I got a big I don't know that you see the divot I'm gonna have to CPU so yeah this should hopefully help to that man yeah I'm gonna clean the socket while you do this and you can walk up through some of the setup the national steps for the standing like your technique and then we'll time-lapse need tape tapes first so what we're gonna do is we're basically tape it down do all four corners you want a good strong tape because if it comes up while you're you're gonna end up scratching the CPU the wrong way and they gotta make it you can have to do more work you know and we're all about slacking here it's okay if Steve punches me in the face with it well I it with the light huh hey Joe come to visit does this help I'm trying to help you see the tape we're right there yeah yeah I can see it wonderfully I can't take him anywhere oh this is helping no oh no no no what I need is I need a black marker what's that for to mark the I don't know to be honest it really doesn't work all that great I just do it out of like repetitiveness well us it makes you do something cuz you slack to wait but what what is it for though uh just to kind of put on marks on there see what it's doing the CPU is so massive it looks tiny in my hand of course but everything looks tiny in my hand oh man that's just bad news cut it out when we have the right set you want it so just a note you want to get the large sandpaper so that especially for this large of a CPU what I like to do is I'd like to do a figure eight motion it helps to even out the whole surface and that's really what we want to do is we want to make the pot flat and we want to make the CPU flat so that way when it bonds on there and it gets there's no air and it basically is perfectly flat you shouldn't be able to see that light that's the whole point like if you can see the light here that means that there's something wrong like so it's either like the pots dipped or the CPU of the IHS is dead so this is one of the easiest ways so if you have like a stock cooler and you want to kind of compare to see what it is you can do this the light technique and you can do do it periodically when you want to check after your sitting for a little while I've actually I've seen one other person actually sand these and it it looks like that most of them basically have a big I don't know like divot in there or like a hole where it's basically everything well I guess we'll see specifically thread Ripper yeah so you're just go in a figure eight motion and what I like to do is after a couple times you pick it up check it out you can actually see how it's scratching off for the first a little bit I mean you're not gonna see much but we can also add you can also add some spray wet it up a little bit don't water yeah this is fine a lot of times what happens is like when you're sending it off it just gets in there so it's nice to like loosen it up and you want to do it light you don't have to do too much pressure what are you doing over there just hanging the socket don't quit your day job my day job so what I do is I'll change like so you saw me going like this I'll change it just keep going I'll basically do a circle as I go just keep going like this do you want an 80 huh no I don't know this should be it went do you want an orbital sander yeah he's got his own machine he's got his lapping machine how long do you know I always spend on this uh when I start seeing the paper it's more about the papers anything yeah you see how it like it wears down after a while you'll see where it kind of gets useless useless no but I mean how long does it normally take you to lapis to get where you want it um depends on baobab the CPU is so scale a cup maybe an hour an hour yeah like you can see already like how it's cleaning up nicely and you see like it really depends on like I want to take that out so it's nice a cup pressure how do you apply pressure just late well it depends on the CPU I try to do like barely any pressure okay like it let me just dragging it on the surface dragging on the surface just a little pressure and just periodically change in the motion do you so you rotate the CPU every now and then yeah that's just to make sure you don't actually bias to one side or the other yeah basically tries to even it out as much I mean you ought to be exactly perfect with the figure eight either like it's kind of all right have you done I see piece of eel ABS you think I've done a lot over the past like six years seven years can we blur him out yeah just this face you could tell like that and then the copper piece so like you can tell the what essentially what I want to do is get it all down the copper yeah so that way I and the reason why I want it down the copper is then I know it's completely even because that means all of the nickel plate is off so that's how you know so even if you put like a piece of sandpaper over here like you're you're still gonna get that same effect yeah see look so that's where what we're going for is that copper finish tiny big tiny egg and this I don't remember how long that took but it didn't take too long with the machine it did have really really large dips and like changes in height like you're saying yeah I do so there was one specific spot that took forever to say these are gonna Toria store it like you will see as we go on that one but these ones usually a like all over the place yeah every every one that I've done I mean I haven't tried my 10 980 yeah and to really emphasize a point here before we probably switch over to time-lapse in some stuff this is not about as much removing than just the nickel plating so it's not about copper being just strictly better at conduction it's about flattening things out that's really the goal yeah and you're not just gonna do this to the CPU you need to do it to your cooler - yeah like this could be really flat and whatever you're cooling with not so far and I'll note - for more mainstream standard consumer use ASA tech coolers for example will have a slight I think the concave I always make them except those I know which ones they are but I can't remember what a stack does I think it's a concave I've read about it before but they were slight concave on the surface to match specifically with Intel CPUs because that's when they were design is when Intel was the only real thing so you have to be careful with that too when you're deciding if you want to lab stuff or not okay so what's before we kind of speed through some of this what's gonna be your process for when you move to the next great how are you deciding is it just gonna be once it gets the surfaces pretty smooth usually I want to kind of get it to that main point like where I want to I kind of want to go some coppers yeah it's gonna start showing what that means right there this is the one way I can really tell what's going on and all of the AMD chips by the way are like this rise and - stop - it's the corners are always the highest down and what that means is basically if the copper is showing on the outside that means it's not even touching the inside so that means that these are high spots so it means the inside is really really low so yeah so we want to do I have a feeling that it's going to be really low or really high around here and we need to even it all out make sure you see that one copper peel mark it was like a dividend I don't know what happened with it how it got there but it's like it went in my pot and everything sucks well yeah you can actually see how bad like it was scratched in there yeah well do you mean there divot yeah yeah it's still there but there's a bunch of little ones too I feel like I have a vent over I didn't realize but I have a vent and a fan right over my table so I think stuff some like came out of it and went on that's the only thing that I can think of because I'll take the pot off and just leave it there yeah well usually I wipe it down I don't know [Music] all right so we've finished everything here and it took a couple hours but basically CPU is looking pretty good oh yeah you got your shiny yeah got your shades shiny it is you might see a faint dr. Lisa sue she autographed divorce writing on there yeah tonight she was here earlier yeah that's right about 10 minutes ago she left yeah menu for some reason you wiped the signature off oh yeah you didn't like it so that was a practice try of what you 14 a signature ha ha ha we did do the Alan teapot it looks pretty good now it was nickel-plated originally obviously so the outer edges you can still see there's a bit of a height difference there but the CP is gonna fall within those lines and it's still way better than it was yeah that one this one actually took a lot longer it took forever highly disappointed you in New Roman I'm still waiting for mine by the way if you guys know a good way to get one that's true so the alan teapots looking good that's looking good if we put them together you can feel like a bit of a suction when we pull them apart now and that was not a thing before so there's better contact you can literally feel it it's kind of like a it's a weird feeling it almost feels like it's like suctioning and that just it's because now the two surfaces are so flat yeah so that is an improvement and we're gonna be good for overclocking and the stream so we've got a stream pop-up that'll come up on the stream in the beginning of the the video for this one in the beginning of the video and you can get the date and time but it's looking like we're gonna do 1 p.m. on Sunday which is I think the 9th okay I'm getting a nod yes it's gonna be the 9th I trust you and you yeah check in for that but that'll be it for this one thanks for watching subscribe to bearded hardware on youtube or you can check us on twitter for additional updates as we approach the stream you going to stored on cameras accessed on that dog's head directly your patreon.com/scishow Nexxus thanks for watching we'll see you all next time [Music]

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Keywords: gamersnexus, gamers nexus, computer hardware, amd threadripper 3970x, amd threadripper 3990x, amd threadripper 3990x review, amd threadripper 3990x cpu, amd cpu review, best cpus, cpu lapping, is lapping cpus worth it, sanding cpu, cpu copper ihs

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Length: 27min 33sec (1653 seconds)

Published: Sat Feb 08 2020

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