AMD 7800 XT: Your Next 5-year GPU!

hey guess what AMD is launching the 7800 XT the 7700 xt2 the most mid-range Powerhouse gpus launching today whoa [Music] they have similar price points but my thoughts are that the prices will probably separate a little in the market over time probably maybe sort of kind of the biggest difference is that these cards are configured with 12 and 16 gigabytes of vram the benchmarks show a bigger performance Delta than I was really expecting between these two cards but uh you know you can get 12 gig vram card 16GB Ram card I really think you should get this 7800 XT even if you're a 1080p gamer if you're a gamer that wants to stretch your GPU as far as possible and You're Still rocking something like a GTX 1060. you what are you doing don't there's so many awesome gpus out or 2060 or whatever this is probably your four year GPU uh compared with the last generation 6700 XT which apparently didn't tempt you then the 7700 XT could be a pretty significant upgrade they've been able to get the effective memory bandwidth up to about two terabytes per second on the 7700 x t and about two and three quarters gigabytes per second or terabytes per second on the 7800 XT terabytes not gigabytes both cards feature the same OBS accessible media engine which can do you know vp1 decode h264 265 and av1 for encode and decode with impressive performance it's really pretty awesome that you can do this and full OBS compatibility which I'll talk more about in a second total board power is an impressive 245 watts and 263 Watts respectively with partner models that I saw uh having somewhat higher power usage but not exceeding 300 watts some reviewers might say that AMD is at a disadvantage versus say Nvidia and nvidia's you know competing here in terms of power efficiency you know strictly speaking I don't really think that that's true I mean if we're looking at performance per unit power I think it would also be possible to use the adrenaline drivers and dial in an efficiency curve rather than a performance curve which is what they are out of the box and be able to beat what team green is doing the only real win where Nvidia could probably post some impressive gains is via dlss 3.0 and frame generation if you take that into account with the efficiency it's like I've done this many frames or this many watts with frame generation that kind of sorta but amd's got fsr3 their own frame generation technology which is a little bit more open I think this is going to be something that I have to visit in a future video I do think that nearly all Gamers just don't actually care about the power usage of the GPU if it's less than say 500 watts uh the vocal minority among you you have been seen and you have been acknowledged but the vast majority of Gamers 500 watts and less you don't have to have a special power supply etc etc I just don't think you care this is the perfect card to put in a fractal Terra the reference version of the 700 800 XT look at this it's so cute it's so petite it comes in this little tiny box yeah now go figure that ASRock and Sapphire and XFX they've got a lot of experience building fast quiet cards but AMD knows their Hardware now the partner models they're going to be a little physically larger but they're also going to be a lot quieter and cooler generally these gpus are all going to support DisplayPort 2.1 but that can vary depending on the partner model sometimes they can save a few bucks on the board bomb cost to go with DisplayPort 1.4 compatibility don't really see DisplayPort 1.4 limited cards as a downside now let's talk performance of the 7800 XT and the 7700 XT testing everything basically went according to plan the direct comparisons are the 4060 TI versus the 7700 XT and for the 470 versus the 7800 XT but I included the 4080 tough from Asus in my comparisons because I'm a crazy person so if you're thinking about a 4060 TI or 4070 don't because these guards are generally better 10 to 25 percent faster than the 4060 TI for the 7700 XT and you know 10 15 faster it depends the performance actually here is really good all right first up for this card for 4K gaming it's actually not it's surprisingly good like I wasn't expecting to include 4K benchmarks or the 7800 but it is actually pretty decent I think long term thinking about next gen the next next-gen AAA titles ah or case you're probably going to be pushing it but for older titles 4K Ultra preset on Borderlands 3 I mean that's an older game being able to stay above 60 FPS even for our 0.1 percent lows genuinely that's very impressive 7700 XT Falls a little behind at about 59 FPS average dipping into the you know the low 50s but still that's pretty impressive performance if you're willing to sacrifice the ultra preset or you're going to run you know the Radeon upscaling technology then it's not going to be an issue for you to get a higher frame rate for Borderlands 3 at 1080p 181 FPS how does that sound versus 163 this is one of the few benchmarks where they're you know the 1700 XT and the 7700 XT are pretty close we'll talk a little bit more about hyper RX but hyper RX can bring up our 0.1 lows considerably and keep us to an average uh closer to or even above 181 FPS the Callisto protocol a newer AAA title at 4K the high preset with no FSR 113 FPS on the 7800 XT and 94 FPS on the 7700 XT at 4K modern AAA title has been out for a little bit it's got some optimizations not bad 1080p 213 FPS versus 189 again at those 1080p resolutions these cars are closer together than you would think Callisto protocol is also pretty close at 1440p 173 versus 160. uh you know what 4K and 1440 wide 3440 by 1440 the extra textured memory of the 7800 XT can help significantly I think this is one of those titles where you can get a wider Gap than 160 versus 173 but still this performance is about what I expected for cyberpunk 2077 on the 4K High preset yeah you can do 79 FPS average with the 7800 XT for the 1080p preset we're talking about 193 FPS at 1080p High or 1440p high 143 FPS just for the sake of completeness we've got our fire strike breakdown of the 1700 XT and the 7700 XT the performance falls about where I'd expect you can also use this as a comparison for the 4060 TI and the 4070 and see that these cards fall well ahead of of uh of those cards from from Nvidia I mean you'll get the 4080 tough gaming here which is a much more expensive card uh 47 000 versus 53 000 and our fire strike scores not really a lot of practical real world difference you can kind of see that in our other gaming benchmarks we've also included time spy just for the sake of completeness this is a thing you can run just to make sure that your system is performing about where it should or better in the case that drivers improve or or whatever else shadow of the Tomb Raider is at 98 FPS average and 78 FPS average between the 7 800 and the 7700 very respectable nadp is 245 versus 222. again the the 7800 XT is really not super busy at 1080p you're not giving it a lot to do at 1080p even on the highest presets even on more modern AAA games other than shadow of the Tomb Raider 1440p that's kind of in between 178 versus 153 but overall not too bad these cards have got the goods in terms of being amazing performance at given the landscape of all the other cars you can buy pretty good price now whether your team green or or team blue or team red you know the ray tracing performance at this class of gpus is just not there so Ray tracing at this price class yeah yeah and as we do this testing and we settle into thinking about modern AAA titles and how much vram they will use at high and ultra settings generally I'm seeing 10 to 15 gigabytes of vram used at 1440p and given that these gpus clock in at 12 and 16 gigabytes of vram I think that's looking pretty good for a three four five year lifespan GPU this is you know poised to become that 1060 replacement which is nice in a software stack the biggest thing is that open broadcaster OBS is finally a first class citizen with AMD Hardware encoding and now av1 which is actually supported for YouTube streaming and pretty sure twitch I think actually some twitch Partners have access to this uh av1 stuff but I could be wrong and again more of this is going to follow in the future rdna3 has finally attained a high level of Polish and cohesion here and I'm sure that this is welcome news for gamers and streamers alike for Creator workflows Puget bench and Puget bench has some pretty impressive scores here the RTX 4070 and Premiere Pro and DaVinci Resolve I mean the overall scores of 95 52 and 2955 respectively between the premiere version and The DaVinci version it's pretty good amd's pulling ahead of Nvidia here for Creator workloads AI is also really hot and we can sneak in some stable diffusion benchmarks here as well listen AI is hot really hot as in how it's going to make your GPU you know you can download node.ai which is a build of stable diffusion with web UI kind of similar to what I did with the Danny DeVito nightmare fuel video which you should definitely check out if you haven't seen it and so you can run stable diffusion on AMD gpus with rock M and the suite there it's like automatic 111 on the RTX 4070 versus the 7800 XT and guess what the 7800 XT actually pulls ahead by about 15 percent Giver give or take Pi torch and rockim integration is better than it's ever been but it's even better on higher end AMD gpus amdu is moving a Breakneck Pace here but they've still got a little bit more work to go on the AI side but if you want to download and play with stable diffusion check out node.ai and the the AMD branch of that oh I've got a fever and the only prescription is hyper RX with apologies to Christopher Walken going forward hyper RX it's going to be a bigger deal than I thought it's a single click to tune supported titles for Boost anti-lag FSR fsr3 whenever that comes out Radeon super resolution whatever applies to the particular situation that you're in uh of course fsr3 when when that's ready one click free performance it's hard to incorporate that into a benchmark because well Apples to Apples comparisons are right out the window and we just want to know what the raw performance of the hardware is the software just makes the gravy on that even better it's just extra more gravy if you're just gaming it should be on I tested it extensively with shadow of the Tomb Raider and cyberpunk 2077 with Hyper RX on and FSR in quality mode I could bring my frame rate to over 120 FPS in cyberpunk 2077 while improving the input latency Beyond just the improvement from The increased frame rate how does that work driver optimizations in some settings for competitive games like fortnite and Apex Legends yeah those are also supported and it's really impressive To See amd's Vision for how hyper RX is supposed to work coming together it's clear that AMD is actually spending a considerable amount of engineering effort to improve the situation for gamers so that they can just hit a button and get free performance and largely hyper RX so far is living up to what has been promised so a little bit more and a little bit different than what I can show off in this review video but if more frames are more better and you don't want to fiddle with game settings too much the hyper RX is probably what you want just toggle it on and your adrenaline drivers and you'll be glad you did overall personally I think AMD has knocked this one out of the park I mean Nvidia is kind of checked out at this point I mean they're the dominant player in the gaming GPU Market but between how they've launched the 40 series how they've named things the writing on the wall with the future how much longer can Nvidia even really care about you know having a gaming Focus their focus has got to be elsewhere because machine learning and Commercial interests is where all the money is uh uh gaming uh are there any software driver issues holding AMD back at this point for one I'm really surprised that RDMA 3 Ray tracing performance still lags behind what Nvidia has been able to do with their Hardware as far as I can tell amd's got the goods on the hardware side I mean look at the raw AI math and what AMD is able to do once all of that gets in place I mean the amd's clearly ahead in the performance unit per dollar here the software suite is generally pretty mature at this point from from AMD but there's maybe a couple small pieces missing here now the gaming performance though was pretty good I actually only saw a couple of weird things at F1 2023 in the rain scene there was maybe some barely noticeable texture glitching and I also experienced a problem with cyberpunk 2077 where the shadows in cyberpunk 2077 seem to maybe enable some translucency of the texture or the object behind it some weird visual artifacting like that but this issue seemed to be related to reloading a saved game then running a bench Mark but without actually restarting the game so it was very difficult to reproduce I went over those issues with AMD and they reported that they have fixes in the works already for those issues which is pretty encouraging now just to make absolutely sure we retested F1 2023 on a fresh install with an Nvidia card and surprise surprise we found it was doing the same thing with an Nvidia card yeah it turns out this must be an F1 2023 update see we we sort of get a little bit of an advanced warning that these cards are coming and so we will start testing with the gpus that we have on hand well in the time that we started testing when it didn't do this until the time the cars actually showed up and we installed the driver the game started doing this so this is a game problem not an AMD problem the shadow issue still exists with cyberpunk 2077 but it's super minor and almost completely unnoticeable and historically the NVIDIA drivers have had the twinkle Sparkle problem with cyberpunk 2077 specifically this is a tiny inconsequential nothing Burger subjectively my experiences with AMD cards in general over the last year 18 months have been awesome especially for the 7000 series although I've been using six and seven thousand series gpus Pretty extensively they are clearly the best value and well supported cards in the market today I think in case you're wondering about Linux support it's also pretty good check out the level 1 Linux video coming in a day or two probably day after tomorrow give or take on getting these things up and running in a Linux environment overall good job team AMD pretty impressive everything's coming together if you have any problems or weirdness or anything that you want to report definitely check in at the level one text forums I'm Wendell this is level one I'm signing out you can find me in the level one forums [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] [Music]

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Published: Wed Sep 06 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/roadkill612]

He seems very impressed with it.

[u/theRzA2020]

I always liked Wendell. Always found his stuff to be fair and unbiased- something quite rare

[u/Psyclist80]

MLID basically said AMD has found the secret with this gpu, buyers need 30% to switch camps. This gives 15% better performance and 15-20% cheaper. Now apply this across the board to win some market share back from NVDA. But if their are wafer constraints, then perhaps higher margin segments need more allocation first. Basically just procure more wafers Lisa, you’re gonna sell them all!

[u/couscous_sun]

The price is really low! I believe AMD wants to capture new first-time customers and win their trust. In the long run, AMD could capture much more market share this way, especially in the datacenter business because almost evey IT guy was a gamer in his childhood (;

[u/Lixxon]

not gonna lie, that kinda sucks... I mean its great but its same as 6800XT that I had ca2 years... guess it will be quite some years before the next worthy upgrade