Aaron Rodgers Fake News, A Chinese Rocket Could Kill You This Weekend & The Volquest Power Hour

[Music] bye [Music] so [Music] [Music] out outkick 360. and the friday edition is here alongside chad withrow and paul kucharski i'm jonathan hutton glad you're with us lance lee jacob swanson david reed becca risley sleepy danny a great cast and crew gentlemen good morning i like how you've gone to sleepy danny and not sleepy dan it was originally sleepy dan it's morphed into sleepy danny who cares bottom line is if you fall asleep we call you whatever the hell we want that's right that's what danny's finding out right now paul welcome in on this friday thank you thank you quick message to everyone we love our mothers chad and i love our wives who are mothers that's the extent of our mother's day message driving in i already heard somebody previewing that they were gonna talk about their favorite sports uh memories with their mothers that's crap it's lazy it's boring we won't do it onward favorite sports mothers coming up in today's second hour not gonna happen i mean so so utterly lazy i don't even want to spend any time on it boys i have to move i have to move remember one time was it super bowl in uh miami where where were we going to a super bowl that i lived in uh you lived in west meade in nashville which is a leafy suburb uh leafy section of nashville that was not right for me we wound up there because uh john rich the uh diminutive untalented country music quote unquote star drove me out of my uh drove me out of my nashville neighborhood diminutive untalented country stars such a great subscriber drove me out of my neighborhood and uh we had to move and the best place we found was in west meade which wasn't the right place for us but i actually lived in a place where one tree downed by a storm prevented me from leaving town which was a terrible terrible development a friend of mine actually said you live in a place where one downed tree could prevent you from leaving town which was i want to say new orleans did this happen i think it was new orleans so i was a day later in new orleans because i had to wait yeah you had to meet us there to clean up this tree well today i found myself i hope jacob is ready i i got out of i got out of my area but i was behind this and this is not something that i can be behind where i live this is not something i can live behind this was going 20 miles an hour down a major thoroughfare in my neighborhood i cannot have this for those listening paul paul calls this thing a tractor uh is what he's referring to it cannot be in the main road it has to be what about road is this this is uh wilson pilots and pike this is a major road main thoroughfare in williamson yes for sure this thing is going 15 miles an hour backing up traffic i can't have it i won't have it well the hope is that they that they had to go one street down that that would be he ultimately moved to the shoulder but then put it back on please jacob he put he moved over to the shoulder about a half a mile after that but then this white car can we identify the make of this white car this white semi wagon i think more like a hyundai uh it was reluctant to pass the guy even after he moved over in a message of urgency for us to move over an object very delicate is this part of the chinese rocket that's fallen to the states what is it i'm not familiar with this car is then like oh i don't know if i could pass this guy in the shoulder there's a car coming in opposing traffic it could be a very dangerous move for me to go by him to which of course i slam on the horn ridiculous i don't know if you're not avoiding tractors in brentwood i'm not sure where you're going to move unless it's the gulch that's what i'm going to do the migration's going back to the city this is fine where either of you live i can't happen where i live it's only fine with that i've driven a tractor on the road before in order to move equipment it's embraced it's embracing and this is compounding my day i have a nerve i'm seizing the beginning of the show i'm nervous today because simon um at simon's school um what they do is they have a race in each class so his fifth grade class has a race and then the winner of that race advances to the field day race as the fifth grade representative and he has that race today now last year he won that race not last year i guess two years ago he run that race narrowly against his friend asher well asher is quite an athlete a soccer player and a basketball player he lives down the street and around the corner from us and i'm a little nervous for young simes whose game is speed and so you know 4 30 when he gets home today i'm afraid i'm going to see a disappointed simon uh having lost cash we're going to go very nervous we're going to make this whole first segment about you because absolutely you started the program last night okay you told us this before the show first off give us your review of the program i was right i'm only halfway through and i want to give it a full go but i found it rather boring you said slow slow found the program slow you scare me joe the tennis player says after one date with joe who takes her on a motorcycle to a dirt field and makes a big jump you scare me joe so paul has it comes in and admits that he's scared about his son's speed on this show and then let me let me refre for those who haven't seen the program his chief complaint with the show is that the tennis player in one date claims that she's scared of joe mind you after on the way to dinner joe nearly kills her on a motorcycle and goes crazy flying on jumps and everything else one jump and she nearly dies and she admits that joe scares her but yet that's not a reason to be afraid according to paul please explain yeah it's it's an accelerated plot setup where joe's supposed to be some brooding so is it an accelerated plot like i've never heard any one person now you've got me mad to start yeah that describes the program as slow nothing like you could say poorly acted you could say contrite you could say or not could try you could say that it's uh overly stereotypical about you know college sports or whatever that it's predictable slow i've watched half this film here's what's happened this guy jumped jumped the thing with the motorcycle which the girl should not be afraid of the the roy the road guy find out he's in the starting lineup and he smashed several windows with his head and uh and omar epps showed up to campus that's what's happened it carried a football around more than that has happened that's what happened for a movie like this which i could be pulled into they played games they played one game one game played mississippi state i believe to open the season one game this guy's not winning the heisman i hate to break it to you things are gonna things are gonna crumble kane is able things are gonna crumble very predictably it's so far it's not good but i didn't wanna i said let's wait till monday after i see this whole thing and i'll give you a better more well-rounded thing such a roller coaster of contradiction don't be critical of me not having finished the film though i committed to it and i will watch the whole film lance lee over here didn't make it further than the damn trailer he was going to come in and support me and he didn't make it more than the trailer okay well lance lee said i i also thought it was a little slow watching the trailer who then told us about the value of the young pope afterward after we were saying we stopped it because it was so slow and so bad but paul continued it i mean again the roller coaster of contradictions coming from this side of our set right now is incredible and i get put lance lee on that side of the set too i get lansing you get jacob hutton gets no one because there's no one i was so paul expect you to come in and say this is james kahn's worst role he's in this role uh the acting is bad so you're gonna go into like the oh the stereotypical southern college football fan i thought you're going to the girls and your take on the program was it's slow it is slow it's slow and your take is that you're mad the girl said joe you scare me after nearly being murdered on the back of a motorcycle let's get the camera drunk by the way joe kane's drunk on the motorcycle joe is a problem joe you scare me that's how she said you scare me i thought i took it more as scary because she's she knows she could fall for him pretty quickly because he's such a daredevil daredevil not not because they're jumping on them and because my father told me never to get on a motorcycle i mean i just i don't know i don't know where to go when you say that the program is i can't i can't tell you you think it's a movie with great do you think it's a movie this is like when david reads yesterday said someone in the youtube chat was so unintelligent that he didn't know how to address them i don't know how to talk about cinema with you anymore you take the program it's slow like of all the descriptions i thought you were going to come in with slow do you think it's a movie with great pace yeah absolutely like it's non-stop it's a movie on roids yeah it's literally like a 90 minute thrill ride of football and sex and alcohol there's been a drug addiction no sex violence like that's the whole movie no 90 minutes no section what is wrong with my hair i get mad my hair is doing something weird i don't like it wrong there's been no sex yet a lot of guys who can't pass tests one guy who needs to be read too that's that's a fascinating plot element alvin matt can't read i mean there's so much going on this is just brought up alvin mack that's funny when you see what else going through the film study and talking about he knows everything he's brilliant kill the quarterback hit the running back so hard his girlfriend feels it he's going through every scenario it's great the best thing about chad getting worked up is he turns into dan dockage the voice comes voice does go on you get up there you get into dan docket's territory again i was fully expecting to come in and say the movie sucks but for way different reasons than it's slow well i'm going to finish it up this weekend when everything's rained down again i'll be watching paul it's game day it's raining i think that you are affected more by the mood you're in or your level of exhaustion when you watch something than anyone else because when i hear that it's slow what i'm thinking is you were slow at the time like you were at a time of day where you're winding down your mind's not going as fast you're probably looking at your phone too no actually you didn't fully invest you didn't fully fully invest teresa said she was going to sleep at the time she said is this one of those dumb movies that you're obligated to watch that was on that dumb list i said yes sweetheart it is what else is on that list well she listened to the list of the five movies yesterday oh she was participating in our show like one of our best is this one of those movies one of those one of those dumb dumb movies those movies jesus amazing the truth is up next honey meanwhile meanwhile paul paul's gonna think that's a good movie paul's gonna come in on monday and tell us how nomad land was a thrill a minute so fast the pacing of that film it's very slow never resisted no man it's like every francis mcdormand hit it's so fast i've resisted no man land because of its pacing and i'll tell you the one with tom hanks reading the newspapers was very what was the other one that you came in and talked about uh the the promising young woman that's a good movie how's the pacing it's good pace good pace very good pace is it fast very good film all right nope you should watch you know what i'm gonna watch that now you know why you're not gonna watch it you know why you're not gonna watch it it costs a few pennies a few shuckles claire claire has been wanting to see what promising young woman in the name of it yeah she's been wanting to see this all right i signed that to you guys this week and we'll talk about the pacing of that next week i'll i'll watch this i'll give an honest cinematic pacing conversation i guarantee you myself promising young woman on out kick 360. i guarantee my assessment won't be something like the program is slow of all the things the program is some could argue bad i argue great slow is not wonderful it ain't great slow is not one of them so you mentioned uh simon uh participating in what i would call field day but well this is a race to qualify for field day okay um very random here but it's tying into albert pujols and no longer being with the angels being released is albert pujols whenever i was simon's age i had mark maguire and king griffey jr posters on my wall at home and like until probably 10 years ago my parents kept them up there if you went to stay at the house they were there um is albert pujols the last mlb player that's been like posterized in kids bedrooms because he was a rookie he was rookie of the year in 2001 and like that was kind of the turn of when you didn't put posters on your wall you were coming off the steroid arrow still it was no longer sports on the wall it went to like video games and everything else is there a little bit of mike trout in that or no mike trout scott i mean you that's why mike trout is the most anonymous super does simon or any of his friends have athletes on their walls anymore simon's got like treasures eagles logos and like a an eagle you know that's like in big pads bursting through something that's his thing is like a cool logo but he can't tell you who's on the eagles yeah beyond you know a name or two um i can tell you the cardinals line up work like one through nine i can tell you yeah mcguire and griffey it's a good debut like that's a good question it was but they were like all over kids bedroom walls growing up you know who will tell you his favorite baseball player is an 11 year old ohtani because there's a fascination with the idea that a god does both and because he's on these lists with babe ruth you know it's something that hasn't happened since since the 20s um and i think that's a proper fascination i share that fascination uh here's a guy that's hitting home runs three days a week and pitching the fourth day before he takes a day off it's an extremely unique thing but i don't think posters are a thing i think i think they are i think they are a thing but i think it's more uh steph curry you know i think there's plenty of steph curry posters up on walls across america tweet us does your kid have a poster this is more of a baseball issue to me like baseball players aren't visible anymore i mean you mentioned mike trout and i'm thinking what kid is emotionally invested in mike who's the most doesn't live in anaheim you don't really know him who's the most most visible is probably aaron judge because of the size and he's i think ronald mcunion has a chance to be pretty busy could be honestly because he's got that personality too that people like bryce harper is yeah he's known he also wears that thing on his head which kids relate to but i mean the list is very short very short you're right about basketball and uh and football to a degree i mean brady uh mahomes mahomes down with young young people just when i think of posters right off the bat i think about nba stores well right off the bat i think about fair fawcett well it's the most visible of the sports right like you're more intimate with those players you're closer you see their face so i that the poster era i think more of michael jordan patrick ewing grandmama larry johnson than i do albert pujols for instance is there a fortnight poster now probably that would be a hot seller if posters were a thing well that's my point is like pujols like and i only bring him up because last night they're showing uh old sportscenter set highlights with albert pujols hitting home runs and i'm thinking is there another player that's currently about to retire that could that you're going to need to go back to olbermann and dan patrick to pull highlights from i don't know if that guy exists anymore this is the end of an era let me give you as as he leaves major league baseball you bring us some good points let me give you an off-the-wall explanation of the literally off-the-wall explanation of posters and why you don't see as many of them i think parents care more about the aesthetic of their kids running that's a very good thing than they ever have before my parents never told me what to do with my room i could put any posters on the wall i could when i got bored i'd rearrange the room put the bed in different spot i'd move the tv stand somewhere else i did all these things and there was no input from my parents and i look at like parents now and kids and their rooms are immaculate and it's professionally designed a lot of these kids rooms so i i don't think you treat it like a living room you design it like another room of the house i think putting tacks up on the wall and posters is just done now because parents are different in how they treat their children's rooms that's a great point and maybe that's part of you also have fat heads and things like that if it doesn't leave a yeah but you're asking your parents for that now like when simon got these low eagles logos that's something he requested as opposed to something he saved up for and got or like i had sports illustrated that lined the entire sports illustrated covers that i had lining the entire thing around my room and springsteen and nettle stuff you know up yeah springsteen and metal stuff that i as a 52 year old have on my bookshelves well i mean how often did our parents when we grew up in our in our respective eras did they say something like that's going to hurt the resale value no there was no reselling my home my grandfather built the home i grew up in next to his house on our property in mount julia for my family and we weren't selling that home we did whatever the heck we wanted to that house there were holes in the drywall in the house because of kids playing around with five kids yeah but now i mean you look at the real estate market in nashville as one example but everyone is looking to move up or move down based on real estate markets and what's going on so i think a very good point i'm having to tell my kids hey don't do that to the wall don't do that to the floor because mommy and daddy are going to want to sell this bad boy in the next couple years and move up and that was never a thought when we were kids yeah and farrah fawcett posters don't uh exist today because you don't give your 13 year old something there's more of a kathy ireland like that in my uh my childhood but yes i know what you're saying wow that was a i think that's probably the best-selling poster of all time farrah fawcett oh yeah the iconic red yeah the iconic what's up there it was her uh pamela anderson in baywatch was the other poster that all the kids wanted lance lee shaking his head seriously again i said shaking his head just to be clear famous faucet red swimsuit poster from 1976 sold over 12 million copies that's 1976. that's a huge number well gone are the days of going to any store and flipping through the poster spencer's gifts was the one you'd go in and flip through all those posters there's still always a sucker just like the cd store back in the day if you're in the mall and you go to the city store i'm going through all the cds i was flipping to those posters uh coming up we get into a variety of topics including aaron rodgers and the news cycle where there's something new trickling out every single day with the green bay packers quarterback in fact just to go full circle this week there's now a story at pro football talk about whether or not he's actually just going to show up and try to act as though everything's back to normal i mean we're only a week into this discussion i've also 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wouldn't be surprised if he's back with the green bay packers 70 chance i believe is what john [ __ ] was saying uh former fullback within the offense he's he's saying hey uh 70 percent chance i can see him back he doesn't want the general manager fired which is a complete 360 degree turn on what we have seen from all of the news since the nfl draft last thursday and the question is what to believe and what not to believe because we have not heard from aaron rodgers and until we do and i think that was florio's point until we do we should just assume he's going to show up and try to act like everything is is going to be okay i i still think the breakup is happening but we've now gone to the point where we just report anything new that's out i say we as a media sports media just reports any bit of rumor that's out there as the latest gossip instead of what's the latest news well we know something's up or aaron rodgers could have easily squashed all of this sure said i'm fine i'm a green bay packer i'm planning on playing out my contract or whatever so we know something's going on with aaron rodgers and what's happening but paul a question i have for you on this and i've been thinking about this is this story develops and what exactly it means for this story to develop because we're getting some anonymous sourcing on both sides of it and now we're getting former players on the record like john [ __ ] saying what he thinks brett favre has interviewed about it and you know that's a former teammate of aaron rodgers saying what he thinks about the whole situation you went to columbia j school if columbia j schools teaching classes now in journalism how much has it changed in terms of what accounts for journalism and what i mean by that is not you know the rules that you abide by in your journalism and your reporting right and i'm sure they teach a lot of the same things but i'm curious in a day and age where everyone's got a website everyone can find a lot of people can find anonymous sourcing a lot of people can do reporting in a different way i wonder how much the golden rule or how journalism is taught has changed or has it well i i'll say for starters i'm not much of a believer in uh in journalism schools now uh in the in the modern media and you know my best journalism education was undergrad working at the columbia daily spectator 40 hours a week doing it not at graduate school where a lot of what i taught and learned that already kind of knew from hands-on experience it was valuable but it wasn't invaluable um why are you not a fan of journalism schools today well they're teaching for a landscape that they don't know what it is like if you're teaching for what journalism is what are you teaching for outlet-wise um you know and what's it going to be three years from now or four years from now or five years from now or or 20 years into your career i think there's too much uh it's it's too ever-changing to know what you're teaching you know exactly what you're being taught to do even though the principles should remain the same and and i get that but you can learn that without spending the the tens of thousand dollars it's gonna cost you to go to a graduate school at columbia or any anywhere else well i think i think what what has changed so much is the the new cycle you know i went to i graduated 2000 and 2006 and the classes that were being taught then this is pre-twitter were you had time to go dig on sources and produce a story that was going to come out every 24 hours and had all sides now it's literally every 24 seconds and so every individual piece of news is at is an added layer to a tweet or a topic that is paid to get your attention to get you to click to update a story or a link that has already been posted that is the different news cycle today than what it was even 15 years ago 20 years ago that's what they're teaching today you're paid you're being taught to keep someone's attention and you know some long-form uh you know site you know these use the athletic as an example if you go to the athletics it's gonna tell you how long it's gonna take you to read an article no one's gonna not many people are gonna pay attention to an article it's gonna take you 10 minutes to read they want you know they want 180 characters or less they won't even read this story that they're commenting on uh i i think the readers need to be taught as much as the as the writers in a lot of ways i mean based on the the comments uh i get and somebody yesterday was asking me a question about uh or asking demovsky they were in a fight with democs who's in the middle of reporting a lot of this roger stuff who covers the packers for espn somebody telling him you know you need to really delve into what anonymous sources mean because there are a lot of people who think anonymous sources means you don't know who they are how dumb is that that that people might think that an anonymous source means that a reporter doesn't know who the source is i mean that's if that's what you're dealing with you've got no hope well it's before i feel like maybe 20 25 years ago an outlet would have a story and then they would own the story that they were the they were the authority on whatever the report was and they would continue sussing it out and reporting because they had the source that had done but now but now there's a report that comes out and then what happens everybody matches everyone else is trying to get their own little corner of ownership of the story so well they got a quote from this person or they got anonymous sources on this side i'm going to go to this side and now i'm an online outlet that's going to go to this side and get this layer of the story and you get a situation like the aaron rodgers reports where he still hasn't spoken and the packers haven't spoken since draft night and it's just it's it's a death by a thousand cuts of media everyone's got their own little corner of the store and it's not one major outlet taking ownership of it and i think there are some cases where that's a good thing and you can get many more layers to a story and in other cases paul going back to sort of the golden rule of journalism i do think that there are certain places that feel like we have to abide by a certain standard of what we report and what we say and there are other ones that maybe at times are at an advantage because they don't feel that same way well on this story on the aaron rodgers story you know question is how much is really new and how much is really news so you've got john kuhn hearing a little bit and then who was it that came out uh you know on the on the other side with the 70 thing now so are these people talking directly to aaron rodgers are they telling you what they think based on how well they know aaron rodgers john [ __ ] said 70 chance he thinks that he could be back he could be back so so you're hearing bits and pieces from people who know him who may or may not be talking to him and each person who chimes in is treated as a big deal and it's largely to fill the vacuum there's a vacuum now is aaron rodgers really saying anything is david dunn really saying anything are the people in the green bay free age in front office really saying anything right now probably right now after the draft after the packers have spoken post-draft it's quiet and so everybody wants to talk to people who have a informed opinion about this and then we start treating those informed opinions as news and it heads close to hutton's favorite thing where mel keiper's draft flashes across the bottom of the screen and espn treats that as news which is absolutely not news and you get closer to that and further away from parties that are involved in the story saying something and that's where chad i think what you're getting at becomes a thing it's not really news it's discussion about it being treated as news and so a teammate or a former teammate who might be talking to rogers but might not be talking to rogers expressing his opinion based on his knowledge of rogers makes for interesting conversation but we should delineate it my brother when he saw the movie jfk oliver stone's movie it was an interesting movie right but some of it was based on what we really knew and some of it was based on what oliver stone wanted to believe and it would have been great my brother said if there was a button in the corner that flashed green when it was factual and flashed orange when it wasn't factual that'd be good here well if it flashed green when it was stuff that we knew that's reported on the record and flashed yellow when it was somebody's opinion on what they thought about it i just think you know going to like comparing the farv to the rogers eras we i i think reporters knew the players a lot better than than they do now absolutely and that is because uh every small breadcrumb of information chad that these guys get they immediately put out instead of having a conversation with somebody and actually going a layer or two deeper they don't have time to do that well they're also they don't have time and those guys are inaccessible now for a couple reasons one social media is taking it away so aaron rodgers if he wants to can put out a tweet that's far more impactful and directly from him he doesn't have to worry about interpretation and all of that also covid now is taken away but access you can't hang but very well on social media because they don't say anything or do anything these pr staffs dumb it down to the point where they're all pretty much the same regurgitated quotes from every single player on a 53-man roster absolutely true but last year at the part where you put your notebook away and you could bs with the guy a little bit near his locker didn't exist so like last year's rookie class i'm not talking about rogers but those early stages where you get to know a guy in the locker room that pays off at this time was gone and if they do it again this year it's going to be two classes and two free agent classes worth of guys that reporters like me don't know at all and that begins to unravel but that's why this when you hear [ __ ] or james jones who works for nfl network who actually knows aaron rodgers that's why when they speak on this it is news because these dudes actually know him half of these reporters that are tweeting this mess out don't know either side of this right but then you have to judge uh not just coming on a personal level but then you have to judge kuhn and jones not just on how well they know aaron rodgers but how loose are they with what they uh their opinions how accurate are they have they talked to him lately how articulate are they with what they know all of those things so now we're not judging aaron rodgers we're judging these guys how well do we know these guys now i want to know what does dymovsky think of jones and [ __ ] and what they're able to say and express right and it goes on and on but again then it goes back to you're going to own a little corner of the corner of it that's right so everyone now it's going to be domofsky talking about those guys then someone else is going to go give their opinion on what's going to happen then fans not being able to differentiate between what is reporting and what is opinion and it just goes on and on and i'll also say that fans and media to an extent are to blame in some respects for us not knowing the players and not having a a part with the players and i'll say it for this reason because guys are afraid because anything they do is going to get you know we're gonna we're gonna pummel parson you know sometimes we're to blame sometimes there's other outlets but everyone's gonna pummel so they get so afraid of well i'm not gonna show who i truly am or be honest because then you guys just gonna crush me over it and i think aaron rodgers sort of you know lives in that world of i'm going to create a cocoon around me with my closest people and i'm not going to talk to media i'm not going to show who i am outside of i'm not even going to speak on this story because everybody's going to take it and run with it and do what they want with it and that's that sort of i think the american public and fan sports fans in america being the victim of this ballooning of all of these outlets in all of these places where you can go get information and opinion here's where i would say and we've mentioned democracy's name a couple times good good friend of mine good colleague of mine friend of a friend of our old show he'll be a friend of the new show a guy like that with institutional knowledge of the team who's been around for a long time remains invaluable even if he's not in the heart of of the reporting which he will be as much as anybody but in terms of all of these pieces we've talked about he's the guy that could put the puzzle together the best put the right weight on kuhn's thing put the right weight on jones's thing know how david dunn operates know how aaron rodgers operates know how the front office operates so if i'm looking for the person putting the puzzle together somebody like rob demofsky on a story like this might not be breaking all of the pieces of it or owning all the corners of it but in terms of giving me the big picture vision like he did with the piece he had up at espn the other day which was like a fact about all of this stuff frequently asked question kind of things that's the perspective i'm looking for well and so going back to the athletic and the stories up at outkick right now about them trying to sell or at least have someone that's going to buy part of the company and partner with them because they're in trouble axio said no new york times said no they're trying to find a willing partner i love the athletic i like the information there i like a lot of the writers the athletic i think it's a valuable resource for sports journalism but this goes back to the inherent problem with everything once you have that and you have these acclaimed writers all in one spot you have to pay those riders and then the american sporting public has to care enough about reporting to go and be a subscriber to something like that if it's going to work but then the issue becomes i want that to succeed but it doesn't look like it's succeeding right now and may not succeed long term because they've yet to turn a profit and they've yet to give money back to their investors so what happens if and when the athletic doesn't succeed we're right back to where we're talking about now because all of those writers are going to go to their own individual sites paulcohorski.com or they're going to go somewhere else and we're going to have a thousand different viewpoints or quote-unquote reports about an aaron rodgers story when it pops up instead of having a more central source with a lot of great writers and reporters in one spot well i hope that we're not that close to the end of it the thing that really hurt the athletic which really hurt a lot of businesses uh and i mean it hurt us at our old pandemic there were no sports for a good segment of time and people scaled back their subscriptions the athletic was selling subscriptions for a dollar a month instead of for 7.99 a month or whatever it was and and you know people were canceling subscriptions to to all kinds of services that weren't providing what they provided when they had their full boat of of services available now i think the athlete athletic more than i read anything and i think uh nfl draft coverage was phenomenal i think you know champions league coverage for me and my niche is phenomenal yankees uh lindsay adler who covers the yankees has done as much to revive my fervor for the yankees as maybe anybody uh to to raise it back up to high levels because god knows gary sanchez isn't doing his part so i hope there's time on the back end for them to get back to where they were headed before that dip hurt them and that they could survive that a lot of businesses we know haven't unfortunately you know restaurants and other things that relied on on that kind of foot traffic but yeah i mean in a lot of ways the athletic seems from a sports writer perspective too good to be true well it is too good to be true because i mean you can blame the pandemic all you want and that has that has that has helped accelerate the process of having to get money now to turn money back to their investors and get a partner but paul they start in 2016 they've yet to turn a profit that's three years pre-pandemic four years pre-pandemic they didn't turn a profit so something's got to give i mean i love the principled stance of we're not going to have advertising but there's a reason media companies sell advertising it's to stay afloat and to employ people and turn a profit and if they don't go in that direction or find a ton of money from someone else or a bigger brand they can siphon off of it's going to be a problem and i don't want to see that happen because i enjoy reading stories at the athletic i enjoy their writers we'll see i remain hopeful and they're getting my money not trending in the right direction we know we know that uh but here's here's hoping that we see some type of big investor or uh ownership jump in uh and and save that ship because it's going down as it sits right now coming up we have a show review from faith koharski paul's mom uh so we're always entertaining very fitting that it's on mother's day weekend did we get the review of the show i hadn't thought of that i i'm playing it slow like schefter played the uh the packers uh information he saved it for draft day uh i didn't realize i'd save this for mother's day but lo and behold we had it on the docket we haven't gotten to it and also paul earlier this week ripped over his anonymous sourcing through scouting of the the titans and titans decisions to draft players there is an anonymous source from the athletic that talks about caleb farley's medical background i wonder if that guy's going to get ripped the anonymous source this is through mike sandow straight ahead on outkick 360. [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] i'll kick 360 across the outkick network coming up in about 15 minutes vaultquest.com and the tennessee power hour alongside chad withrow and paul koharski i'm jonathan hutton we get a review from paul's mom on the show coming up in a matter of minutes but first mike sando's review of the tennessee titans draft class he did this for every team at the athletic we just mentioned how we support the athletic because of reporting that we enjoy uh sandow's one of those nfl writers at theathletic.com and he writes this about the titans draft class and this goes to the anonymous sources that paul brought up with rashad weaver earlier this week five consecutive winning seasons across two coaching staffs have masked a poor run of early drafting for the titans a run execs think could be could worsen after tennessee used its first round pick for a corner with two back surgeries in his medical file quote if the corner becomes a good player god bless them but his medical was terrible an exec said you look at the isaiah wilson pick last year then you have weaver in the fourth round this year with an assault case that comes out then you go back and look at all the fifth year options that were declined and the one they picked up was for a dory jackson who they cut there are a lot of mishaps there and that seems like they just aren't being talked about and then sandow goes on to say it's all true but with ryan tannehill's career revival helping tennessee go 11-5 last season the titans owned the nfl's ninth best record in three seasons under mike vrable they go into another quote about raiden's who they like this this general manager from around the league and then the other quote here going back to his radiance could play right tackle but we were way more worried about farley's back than some of the other injuries for guys in the first couple of rounds that is the quote from the anonymous general manager in the nfl by the way i i tweeted on april 30th exact slash coaches with three other teams told me their franchise is medically cleared caleb farley small sample but doesn't appear titans were some sort of outliers and considering the quarterbacks back to be okay not a lot of people ripped me or came after me when i had positive reviews with anonymous sources there but when some knew about rashad weaver's trouble i got destroyed so it's interesting uh homers but that to to sando's point here there's one gm that had issue with caleb farley's back but here are three other teams that that had him cleared so we knew that some teams you know had issues with it and others didn't i mean you can be medically cleared to play football and your medicals can still be bad like you could fit the baseline like we've medically cleared him to participate in contact football but yet a team could look at it and say well it's not good enough for us because there's still some issues there even though he's medically clean i think these three teams were saying they were okay with drafting him in the first and that and that's fine uh mike on twitter says it's funny because if paul koharsky was still working at his previous employer there'd be far less people questioning his reporting on this um which i find funny because paul you've been covering the titans for how long had multiple outlets since 1996. and you're still a part of paulkarski.com which you were with the previous employer i don't know what he said before if i was at the zone the people at the zone wouldn't be oh yeah question wouldn't have been but but all i mean a separate topic for another day but your your stance would probably be directed to be different also um if you were still at a previous employee in their chair if you were uh reporting this and that's why everything sounds exactly the same we're being honest that's part of why we're not there i mean the rashad weaver stuff it's i just don't see anything in your report that's that it's a good report i don't see anything that's even shocking i mean i can understand if titan's fan was this is completely this contradicts everything the league would ever say and you're the only one stepping out there and saying this and i can't believe you clearly have an axe to grind with the titans and i've got an issue of this report you're making it up and i don't believe you're anonymous sourcing it what is hard to believe about the report that you sent out well they don't understand that teams may have known about a public arrest that was made the day before or may have known about something that multiple witnesses saw at a bar in a social media era i'm shocked every team didn't know about it quite honestly not just the titans didn't no these people don't ever know that these people don't understand that without the police filings being public until the day before that a team could have investigated it well enough and talked to the player thoroughly enough to have had it come to light and that's their low expectation of the tight we have uh plenty to get to and unpack with all of this in the coming days and weeks with all of the titans draft class and we'll go through some some other picks around the league as well uh but we need to unpack faith koharski's review of the show the latest review of the show i'm not sure how many shows she's she's watched but every time that she does tune in to the show on youtube uh paul she writes you at least a paragraph not every time not every time but on tuesday she did take the time to write a little bit and uh you guys can breathe easy because the critique does not really involve you and she doesn't know just get a little bit easier in my chair now for the first time she doesn't know jacob or lance but i think this one's directed towards them on tuesday uh late for her 8 43 our time 9 45 yards kept her up at night yes this kept her up 86 year old faith wrote i noticed that since jonathan is in the middle he always has a dark background chad when the camera is on him alone has part dark and part shelves behind him you on the other hand went on camera alone never have any dark background only something a mother would notice now i went back at her and said how we both have part shelves part dark but if you'll uh jacob use the photos that i discussed with her as this conversation went on she does have an interesting point here you'll see that i am predominantly shelves behind me but if you flip to chad predominantly wall behind chat this suggests a certain lack of symmetry and uh i'm actually trying to find the worst picture no they were just quick freeze frames that i grabbed trust me lance has much much worse uh photos of him now i thought that she might have been talking about he captured me antlers last week a little bit about the jacket that's still hanging behind chad where the master shirt was taken down behind me but i do think that those are too dissimilar if an 86 year old woman is finding it i love more shelf behind me but i do think there's a lot going on in this area here kind of growing out of my head where chad has none of that gentleman your comments to faith my thought is just why did you provide me these photos when just cutting between the cameras shows the exact same thing that's a really good point i thought that's gonna do it now if you'll show then just go to the cameras you'll see let's give an example if you don't mind jacob i didn't know if you could handle that i knew you'd be flustered photo of chad and then the actual single shot okay now today's live view well see it's moved a little bit since my mother was looking at it so that's one song now go to mine i look much better today than i do in that picture that's my first thought now my actual actual that's my actual and now go to my photo it looks much better with the actual it's it's it's in high def all right now address the subject at hand rather than the uh that's really good paul made you work a little bit harder i prefer honestly so the argument from faith is that there's more of the dark background unless the shelf with me i'd prefer to have more of the shelf so i'd love it if it was flipped or even if they got more of the shovel we brought this stuff in to be shown so i want people to look at it my enemies list is going to go there soon and i want people to see it so i'm i'm fine with the setup the way it is but i don't know if you know she's saying i'm in an advantage because yeah she thinks you're an intervention i don't think i'm at an advantage uh i think that we favor the the masters jacket a little bit i mean we could always rearrange the cameras i i think you guys are fine i think he's put off behind my mother i'm sensing his foot off no i'm not i'm not you oh no no we can rearrange for faith [Laughter] my camera where do you see this shot watch here's my camera i'm going to talk directly on my camera all right paul now continue to talk off camera please tell us what's going on well they always said i have a face for radio well played by jacob well done jacob all right continue with the review okay that was it that was it that's it no that was a good thing that's a one though it's a one-note review i always gear up for something really bad every single time like all right this is the time i'm gonna get hit it's like when uh chimes in it's like there's you know she was going to critique jacob's t-shirt that said satan's grundle on it or something you know no hopefully she didn't see that the wife of a russian orthodox priest probably would have well i should tell you guys what did i say once i i was going to say i was going to put out shirts one time for pk.com that said fueled by hate she was not and my mother saw that on facebook the proposal and she reached out she was like yeah i don't really think that's a good idea i see your mom being more of the subtle instead of just outwardly saying you're an idiot more of the you think that's a good idea kind of like dennis leary with me with the movie she liked that one yeah about american awesome huh yeah but i can hear i could raise him i can hear her tone when she texts me on that and it's not it's the same as you're an idiot happy mother's day yeah happy mother's day the to the mothers the wonderful faith goharsky um coming up brenthub's austin price vaultquest.com the very latest from knoxville at jam-packed hour straight ahead on out kick 360. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] chad on display behind you the birth of catfish jake and the instrument of crime jacob waddell a huge fan of the show and a great friend of ours threw a catfish on the ice in game one of the stanley cup final the nashville predators at the pittsburgh penguins and he was charged with disrupting the piece and charged with using and possessing an instrument of crime which just happened to be a catfish that he threw on the ice and here is the court summons from the honorable jeffrey a manning we display it proudly the honorable jeffrey a manning the honorable jacob waddell the reason that we went to augusta national for the first time the reason that we had a sticker of our previous show on the catfish that hit the ice now the one thing we need to do hutton is just get this man an out kick 360 sticker so he can place it on a fish of some sort and throw it on the ice of a big nhl event our next big goal is to have one of the catfish that's on display at bridgestone arena named after jake [Music] it is out kick 360 across the out kick network alongside chad withrow and paul koharski i'm jonathan hutton happy friday to everybody big thanks to lansley jacob swanson david reed for making the show happen for us here in studio becca risley sleepy danny and the full cast without kick making it happen for us as well a little sleepy danny uh never asleep works fiesta right working 24 7. that time of day is uh always round the clock brent hubs and austin price volquest.com the best in tennessee athletics and reporting gentlemen it is always great to have the vault quest hour on 360. hope you're doing well doing fantastic great guys doing well [Laughter] very sleepy very sleepy is is is brent hobbs um i wonder no time for uh no rest for the weary when it comes to tennessee coaches brent because i was reading the the war room today at allquest.com this is actually their their move-in weekend they actually have some time to move into their homes instead of sleeping on air mattresses yeah for a couple of them you know it's been it's been a grind uh since they got here and it's been hotel life and you know through spring practice and obviously the month of june is going to be really really hectic with summer camps and official visits so josh hypel actually gave the staff the the end of this week off and the weekend off to go see their families or to take their families somewhere or in some cases to get a mattress not an air mattress but like a real bed into whatever home that somebody's buying or renting some of these guys are moving into rental homes while they're building a home in knoxville and you know some guys are trying to get some stuff down here and get their families ready to move when school's out and and different things like that so it's a little bit of a catch-up knock off some honeydews and and personal items here uh the back half of this week before they get back at it on monday morning so a question i have because we're going to interview josh hypel for the first time next week on this show he's clearly selling the idea of football as fun and he's selling fun to his team and to recruits with a lot of things they've done is josh hypel a fun guy deep down or does he understand the value of selling football and the tennessee program is fun austin let's let's start with you on this one well i think he's a very down-to-earth guy which you know makes me think that he understands you know and knows how to have fun so yeah i mean i think that all of this is genuine i don't think this is like you know hatched in some room of like let's try to you know recreate the culture let's go the opposite of what they were and and be overly you know you know a fun group of guys when we're really not i think that's just who they are and i think that's who he is so a very down-to-earth guy a very uh approachable person uh if you saw him out in public i think he would not be uneasy in his own skin i think he'd be very comfortable to sit there and talk with you know anybody that approaches him so yeah i think that you know the football is fun thing is something that you know he knows this program needs but i think it's natural and it's it's real brent and something that uh he's very comfortable doing i think you talked to people who played for him um and i think what you get in the sense you get is he's the guy who is about business and is about doing the work and you've got to do everything you're supposed to do and take care of your business but in the process of doing that you enjoy your experience i think as a former college player he certainly wants you know wants guys to leave with an enjoyable experience which means it's more than just football all the time you know and and those things and remember this too i mean it probably seems a little bit more extreme that way right now because for the last year these guys weren't allowed to be around each other okay so yeah i mean are we are you talking more about dodgeball than maybe you normally would or going to a baseball game yeah maybe you are talking about that a little bit more because remember for the last year it's been it's been clock in and clock out it's kind of go to the factory you know you go to class you go to practice you pick up your to-go box of food go back to your dorm sit there don't be around anybody get up do the next thing the next day same thing the next day and so i think that you know you're seeing coaches around the country and josh hypel being one of those trying to create that culture within their program with guys hanging out holding each other accountable and developing better bonds with each other because there wasn't any i mean if you're a young football team you're a young guy i mean you didn't get to hang out with anybody last year so you're still trying to get to know each other in a lot of ways so there's been some bad transfer news this offseason for tennessee with the attrition on that roster they're now getting some good transfer news we talked about joe milton the last couple of weeks the quarterback from michigan coming in this week we get the official word on juwon mitchell texas's leading tackler coming to tennessee how big is this for tennessee and obviously guys he's got a dominant role on this defense starting day one i'm assuming brent let's start with you on this one well it's the biggest need tennessee had on the defensive side of the ball now they've got needs at defensive line they lack depth in the secondary but when you look at the glaring hole you know it's that linebacker with the loss of henry t the loss of cabarrus crouch yes roman harrison's moving to linebacker but he's never played there at the collegiate level he's unproven there jeremy banks is there but outside of that you just don't have anything that you're really like okay in good shape there at linebacker so you're bringing in a guy who has power five experience who's also been successful when you look at the tackles that he has and the way he's played for texas uh it's a guy that tim banks knows because he's from new jersey tim's banks recruited him i tried to recruit him to penn state so there's a relationship there so tennessee exactly knows what they're getting personality wise physically and everything else he should step in and be a big factor for tennessee i think it's an absolutely huge get because they had such a need at that position yeah for me it's it's you know it is i just think about the word production you know that's what he is i mean he's not the biggest guy he may not be the fastest guy but he is a productive guy and he's done it in a league where offense is king and so i i think again the most experienced linebacker in tennessee's room the moment he walks in the door and so you know he'll get here later this month be here for first session in june and uh and and you know will instantly become someone that the defensive coaches really rely on and then a guy i know middle tennesseans are familiar with for his time in hillsboro javonte payton put up some numbers in mississippi state not eye-popping numbers or anything like that but a room that's already pretty good guys it gets a little bit better with javante payton now transferring from mississippi state to tennessee at receiver austin starting with you on this one what kind of impact can javante payton make in that receiver room well i mean he's a guy that's played receiver for a long time chad and so you know i know in talking to the staff you know the one thing and i think they feel like that that receiver room has talent but to me that they look at that receiver room as hey we've still got some guys that are learning the position that haven't played it that much that in high school they played quarterback or they played other positions so we need somebody that can come in and as a veteran at that spot tennessee obviously felt like they needed to add someone i know a lot of fans and and some people were like you know like wow i had a receiver with them but they got plenty of receivers but obviously this staff felt like they needed to and javonte payton even though he's just a one-for-one guy nano tennessee doesn't really want to go down that that road if they can help it but they felt like javonte helps them right away he gives them speed you know the way he attacks the ball is something that this staff really likes and so they're excited about javonte payton and let's face it he's about ended up here twice before coming out of high school with butch jones and coming out of juco with jeremy pruitt and finally he ends up on josh hypel's uh team here at tennessee with one year to go so i i know that they feel like he can be a real productive player for them and stretch the field i want to stick with receivers um you know we're coming off with josh palmer being this underused guy who people say you know could be better in the nfl than he was in college because of that now you've got a new head coach who had a quarterback last year who threw 80 passes of 20 yards or more in the air um you know which is was 11 more than trask or ellenger uh at the next level this has got to be uh the best time to be a receiver at tennessee in some time um positionally how transformative is this going to be for wide receivers well i mean brian i think go ahead i think that i mean if the quarterback can get them the ball though this it's going to be a wide receiver's dream because you're going to be able to stretch the field i mean you look at the spring game i think they took four deep shots in the first eight or nine snaps of the game um something crazy like that so if you watch any of josh hypel's offense going back to missouri you know going back to when he played what he did at ucf vertical is in the passing game is the key and that's why the quarterback is such an important position austin if they can get a quarterback who can throw the deep ball then i think receivers are really going to like what's going to happen that's why you see them still searching for that answer at quarterback yeah i mean that's the one thing joe milton brings brent is the ability to throw it down the field and stretch the field and so you know to me if he can pick up the intermediate stuff that's when this offense could really take off because he does have the arm strength to really push the ball down the field and tennessee's got some receivers that can run for the first time in a while they have some guys that can you know pick it up and put it down and get down the field in a hurry and so stretching the field vertically something that josh hypo wants to do that's something they're going to attempt to do and if the quarterback is on then i think that's something they can do which really opens things up for the entire offense it opens things up for the tight ends that i think can be more productive in this offense i think it opens things up for jabari small and tion evans jalen wright and some of those running backs and so to me i think you know what paul just brought up is going to be the the crux and and the key to everything for josh hypel and his offense this year and that's finding a quarterback to stretch the field vertically because they do have the weapons on the outside to stretch it austin price and brent hubs of vaultquest.com with us coming up we continue the tennessee football discussion and why may 19th is important as a date to circle a week from this coming wednesday that's all straight ahead on out kick 360. hang with us really struggling to vote [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] out kick 360. and the tennessee power hour is back crew is all here including the crew from vault quest brent hubs and austin price you're about to see them on the screen and brent uh we are about to see some rules changes across college football at least that's the expectation on may the 19th which is a week from this coming wednesday what's the rule that you're paying close attention to that would directly affect this tennessee team in 2021 well i think it's the rule that would affect all college teams and that is the the the proposal to limit the number of full padded full-contact practices in the pre-season from 21 to 8 which is a pretty dramatic change and there was a committee meeting yesterday to kind of finalize the proposal for next week so we'll see if there's any adjustments coming out of the committee meeting late yesterday afternoon but it's supposed to go before the division one council on wednesday for the full presentation and then we'll see what comes out of that there's also talk about limiting the number of scrimmages by by at least one in the preseason in august the thought on this is that it will be injury you know preventative um some people who are against it are saying you know you're not going to have teams ready to play because they're not going to have enough contact and they're citing i think it was army a year ago that didn't have any contact in the preseason and they go out in week one and look like they had no business being out there um so we'll see um but but that's the big proposals cutting that from 21 to eight in terms of the the amount of contact full contact practices that you could have nobody uses 21 in the preseason but everybody uses more than eight so there'll certainly be an adjustment there if that goes through now a couple other things in there you know they're eliminate the oklahoma drill and bull in the ring or circle of life or or whatever your coach calls it which i think most coaches around the country would agree you know we're kind of past the point when you get to college of needing those toughness drills and there's no real technique involved there so i don't think anybody's really opposed to that measure but coaches have some concerns about the full contact limitations and i would imagine austin especially this year the reason i bring up 2021 with the new coaching staff trying to evaluate what they have what they don't have where they really lack uh while i think we can pinpoint things on paper there's also you know those players who you know have an opportunity to play better or improve with the new staff based on scheme and to me you figure that part out when you put the pads on and the limit the limitations especially defensively could that could that hold this group back in the fall i mean i think defensively it sure could offensively i think it probably helps tennessee um you know but defensively i think you know when you're you're breaking in juwan mitchell and caleb tremblay and you know we'll see if tennessee has anybody else in in the transfer portal um between now and and june 1st but i think that ultimately you know you want those guys on the defense especially linebackers and defensive lineman to have some you know as much full contact as they can i think you know going from 21 to 8 is just so extreme like why not go 21 to 12 or 21 to 13. like you can limit it and brent's right nobody really does 21 and so many schools you know practice a certain way that you know helps the players anyways but you want to be able to have a little bit of time to kind of get up and go in fall camp and um you know i i think ultimately you know that's something that could really hurt tennessee's defense something that they really you know probably struggle with anyway they need as much you know to me contact work as they can get especially breaking in some new bodies here's what i wonder too a little bit is is there going to be some kind of compromise maybe not on the number of days but going back to last year there was some of these quote college ota stuff that took place right at the end of jan of july where you could work out coaches could work out their kids in in some smaller settings could have some walkthroughs type stuff i wonder if we see that taking place as a bit of a compromise okay you're not going to get to hit as much in a condensed area here but we're going to give you two more weeks to to work with your kids you know in larger groups not with your strength coach but with your position coach or your coordinator or your head coach to kind of get you going into um fall camp i wonder if we see a little bit of that kind of a shift towards a little bit more of an nfl style training camp something that some coaches told me they they did appreciate that part of last year as crazy as last year was they did like that time in july where they got a chance to to work and do some walk-throughs and things like that with some of those young players guys what's the latest and maybe there is no update on henry tohoe is is he expected to to be a buckeye or has that changed in the last week i've heard everything from florida to michigan ohio state it seems like the alabama ship has totally sailed um but but you know those are kind of some of the teams i've heard ultimately i think it's odd that here we are what may 7th and yes you know nothing's been decided or announced you know for henry i mean that that seems a bit bizarre because you know when you've taken the semester away and you've just been doing everything academically from home like it looks like to me you would try to be to your new destination for mini term you know um and have as much time with your new school and your new program as possible before the season starts i know that's what i would be trying to do so i i find it odd that he did not and has not um done anything to this point um so brent the henry situation just seemed so bizarre to me kids still never went through spring practice this college career um you know you take away you know 30 or 45 practices depending on you know how you look at it um that that definitely hurts him well and i think the other thing that you if you're a school that you're looking at that you have some concerns with is you know the homesickness element to this uh he was homesick when he got to tennessee there was talk that he was going to go home and not come back at some point tennessee had to kind of stave that office as for as a freshman and then um last year he didn't come back until july essentially because he wanted to stay at home for father's day to be around his dad who he's extremely close with and then there was talk he was going to come back to tennessee in february but he didn't really want to come back there because he wanted to be out there for personal and family reasons so i think there's probably some schools trying to figure out you know if is he going to come to us and stay and be committed to us year round football wise i think they're trying to figure out some of those dynamics as well when you talk about okay we got enough depth there how much of a factor is he going to be michigan is kind of the latest hot topic school there's nobody on the west coast that's been talked about but you never know because that family is extremely tight dad's extremely involved in the decision-making process there brent i want to talk to you and start with you on this one on the ncaa investigation you sat down and spoke with danny white and i know that the investigation continues on tennessee's end i'm curious if you feel like part of that reason is because tennessee wants to take this as far as possible with the ncaa in the passenger seat as they're driving through this investigation in hopes that whatever they submit to the ncaa and whatever self-imposed sanctions that are out there are just approved by the ncaa so in sort of lengthening the investigation maybe somehow they get to a quicker conclusion of what the penalty is going to be do you think that's the thinking behind some of this with danny white in tennessee i don't think there's any question you know tennessee wants to be thorough obviously uh they do not want the ncaa to have to to reinvestigate anything so when you turn over everything to the ncaa the hope would be that the ncaa says yeah that's it we've been along for the ride we know exactly what's going on there there's nothing else to look at oh by the way ncaa just saved a half a million dollars from their investigative work because tennessee paid for and did all the investigation stuff for them tennessee's the most cooperative and if you're tennessee you're hoping that gets you a faster ruling and a bit of a more favorable ruling as opposed to some other schools who've kind of given the ncaa the bird when it comes to investigations that they're just kind of like we're going to keep on going about it and do whatever we want to do and you get to us if you get to us you know whenever that might or might not be years from now so i think tennessee is banking on a the fact that the ncaa knows everything that they're doing b they've done the work for the ncaa okay and two they've been the most cooperative team in college athletics with the ncaa over the course of the past two or three years when it comes to an ncaa investigation and see for me you know to piggyback what brent just said like you talk to people around college football and they're gonna go well the ncaa don't care if you you know they don't care if you're you know how truthful you were but see i think the ncaa is kind of in a weird spot here where because of the way lsu and some of these other schools have just kind of you know you know flipped them off so to speak like if they hammer tennessee then they set a precedent a terrible precedent for years ahead for them you know whereas like if they you know take it easier on tennessee for being more forthcoming and stuff then i think that you know they still can i guess you know claim some semblance of a grip on things i think they lose all grip if they if they come out and hammer tennessee after they've done everything you know above board and like you're supposed to and and worked with them this may be way premature just looking at the schedule i don't know if you guys have a sense or not bowling green pit tennessee tech at home right pit just had five six guys drafted five on defense uh including their two edge rushers one of them coming here to to the titans and obviously uh a bit of controversy with him you know how good pitt is gonna be or is expected to be and is that a game that that conceivably people could start to think that if if ut's gonna be a decent team this year they they could steal or no well to me you kind of got brent you have four layers of games you have three that you you should win and i know what everybody's gonna say well georgia state but that was a once in a hundred year type thing so like you know you got those three wins then you go to the next level three which is south carolina pit vandy and and then you have ole miss kentucky and um and missouri and then of course you've got the big three florida georgia and alabama so you know pittsburgh to me is a a litmus test game because if you can win that one you're gonna be 3-0 going to florida that don't mean you're going to go beat florida but it gives you some momentum early on in the season especially if you're scoring points and you're creating excitement for tennessee to kind of pick themselves up off the mat a little bit and get into the middle part of the season feeling good about themselves yeah i think pitt's got several holes that they have to feel now if you're if you're a pit fan you feel okay with your ability to fill the defensive holes because your head coach is a defensive coach uh and pat and ardusy i mean that's what he does he's all about defense so you would think that he's recruited more to that side of the ball than anything else so they would have some guys who could step in and and fill you know some spots there and be ready to go uh but there's no doubt that you know there's concerns on the defensive side of the ball and if tennessee can get an offense rolling i'm not sure pitt offensively could match points because that's not typically been their strength so the question is how quickly can pitt reload their defense with what they lost under a defensive minded head coach so we've seen georgia the states state of georgia alabama mississippi work on name image likeness legislation that's going to help those programs in that state what's being done if anything with danny white and tennessee on that front or are we going to enter starting in july an area where players can profit off name image likeness in those states and not across the sec well you know danny white said in our interview that i did with him week and a half two weeks ago whatever it run now that they had not worked a ton in terms of putting their policy together for name image likeness because they're waiting to see what the ncaa's policy blanket kind of what the the parameters of that are going to be that does not mean that he's just ignored name image likeness because that's not the case i've talked to enough people that they have a pretty uh pretty solid plan that they're working on it's not finalized because they're waiting to see what parameters are going to be out there from the ncaa standpoint the sec standpoint but it's not like tennessee's going to is waiting until they get those final parameters to put something in place so that they're not even going to start looking at it till july 1st that's not the case at all uh but i think what he was saying is yeah we've got we got an idea but we're not going to present that we're not going to openly talk about that because we got to wait and see sort of what those are there's a lot of people in college athletics yeah yesterday when the georgia stuff came out that said georgia's going to keep 75 of the profit off name image likeness there were a lot of people went whoa what is that all about because that kind of defeats the purpose for the student athlete of name image lightness if they're only going to get 25 of it so that kind of sent some some ripples across college athletics i don't think you're going to see other schools out there say that kind of number or anything like that but everybody's just kind of waiting to see what the final parameters are before they put their final thing in place but i think tennessee will be ready to go i don't think they'll be you know out in the weeds on this thing when other schools take off with it we're with ballquest.com brent hobbs and austin price brent while we're on the topic of your first chat sit down for the site with with danny white how would you compare first impression first interview to that of mike hamilton or dave hart or john curry i think we all had a sense of what fulmer would be like in the setting like that how would you compare danny white to the other three that's a great question and it's a little bit tough to answer because i knew john curry as an assistant so when i sat down and talked to him i already had a relationship there same thing with mike hamilton my first conversation with danny white austin and i introduced ourselves at the josh hypel press conference and he was still worked up over the fact that there was a leak over the fact that josh hypel was getting hired and we had reported that before he wasn't mean by any means but he was clearly still kind of dancing around how we knew that and was bothered by the fact that that got out there um you know the thing that i came away with in my interview with him is he's got a better you know you hadn't heard from him and so you kind of wondered what he'd been doing right i mean he'd been hiring some people but he kind of disappeared and the perception of him is that he was going to take on all these people on twitter or whatever and you know he was all this you know kind of really brash type guy and everything like that then he kind of disappears my takeaway was he he's done a lot of work and trying to understand tennessee understand the history knowing history knowing people getting a better understanding of that and so i think he took an approach of i don't need to be on the speaking circuit until i have a better feel for kind of everything we've inherited and what we need to be working on here so um you know i came away you know pretty impressed with with how much he's learned about tennessee in a short period of time and a little bit surprised at kind of his personality because i think he gets pigeonholed into some being somebody because of the whole national championship thing that he you know that that that thing he ran up the mountain with at central florida where he kind of openly challenged everybody so you kind of thought that's who he was going to be that's not the personality that comes across when you sit down and talk to him and austin i i think i i because of what brent just mentioned at central florida i expected more of a marketing push and i'm not saying that one approach is right or wrong here i'm just trying to talk through it did you expect more of a marketing angle with hypo and white than what we've seen and do you expect more of that now that spring is behind us for instance we're having hypo on the show next week for the first time do you think we we have more of that leading into fall camp or do you think this is more of what we've seen from the past where pruitt just wanted to coach football he's a football coach that's it what do you think the blend will be with this staff and regime well i think it'll be more i think you'll continue to see more i think you know i think you're going to see more promotion and more promotional material based off the fact that i think they've been trying to figure out what they have like you don't want to promote one thing and then get in there and go actually we don't have that we need to promote this instead and then do an about phase so i think they've been trying to kind of figure out what they have figure out the fan base understand things understand how the fan base ticks um and those type of things and go from there and so i think you will see more and more um promotion going forward i think the way they sell tennessee will be done a certain way going forward and so it's just a weird time you hire an a.d and a new head football coach and literally you have the signing period like two days later and you know so like if you really think about it the guys that he's just that hypo has just gotten into the program mitchell milton tremblay javonte payton those are really the only josh hypel guys the rest of these are players signed with other you know you know other head coaches and so you know it for my liking like i think they're just trying to kind of grasp what they have both as a head coach and as an athletic director and i think you will see going forward more promotion and uh a different way they sell things so yeah i mean i don't disagree i think maybe coming in i probably would have thought it would have been more like the uh the butch jones era as far as just all the marketing and using game of thrones and all the air jordans and all that stuff i think you'll see some of that going forward but at the same time i think it'll have their own touch to it what'd you guys make of it it was white not hypo right chad that talked of the negativity yeah white around the fan base which um i don't think translates great uh necessarily from a guy who you you'd mention was able to throw himself a parade for a national self-declared national championship um and i know he's looking for people to buy in but when you invest uh with a financial donation you're probably going to be more negative when things aren't going well not less negative well i think he has to be very careful um with that um i get what he's saying you know and i understand that the perception of tennessee is that you know that it's they're really negative about things in a lot of ways but you gotta understand where the tennessee fan base has been um and what they've been through and and where it's at right now so um i understand the point he's making um but at the same time too i don't i don't know that fans have any interest in being scolded so um you know he made that in his opening he made a comment about that his opening press conference he obviously mentioned it um sort of in passing and an answer to a question i asked him about you know trying to increase the donor base i think you'll see him kind of move away from that talking point i don't think you're going to see that be something that that he holds on to and and they kind of move on from that and he's going to talk a lot about fundraising a lot about the money that they need for facilities because quite frankly they need money for facilities and i know that's not what fans want to hear but neeland stadium needs some major renovation work not just new bathrooms and not just a wider concourse there's some structural stuff that needs to be done as well obviously you've got a situation with lindsey nelson stadium i think the football program would like a players lounge from a recruiting standpoint and and things there so to do those things you've got to go out and raise money and i think you're going to see a bit of a shift away from maybe telling the fans how to think or what to think or even saying something about the negativity of fans and it's going to be much more about everybody being all in and how much help they need because financially they've got to get in a situation where they can produce some of these facilities facility upgrades and renovations that you have to do and yeah i mean i know for me sorry austin obviously for me i mean i i understand what he was trying to do and i've been very pretty vocal on our side about how some of the comments on twitter and or message boards can impact recruiting but at the same time until you've walked a mile in the shoes of a tennessee fan for the last 15 years i don't think you can truly understand what the fan base has been through they take one step forward with a couple years of butch then this massive step back i mean there's you know getting yo-yo back and forth and you know brent's right like they do have to update some of the you know the you know the complexes on campus and you know the stadiums on campus and you know danny white said that with jason swain this morning on his show you know i want to get with our fans and find out what you know how we can improve the you know concourses how we can improve the bathrooms how we can improve all the different things at all of our different venues because ultimately the student athletes not walking up into the concourse to go get a hot dog you know you know bob from section double x is going up into the concourse to get a hot dog so you know i think that you know befriending the fans and getting them on inside tennessee fans want to win at the end of the day at the end of the day they just want to win and the first thing danny white can do is make sure tony batello doesn't leave if he makes that happen then he's off on the right foot and people are going to forget all about the talk about texting a buddy and all that stuff you want to keep tony vitella that's the first step towards all that you know fan talk and all that just going away yeah i i think that's a great point and i think the the the layer too deeper on what i was getting at there on the marketing arm and expectations of things i'm not saying throw up you know billboards and different things with a new slogan as much as if you're if you're going to talk about the negativity get out in front of it and change the perception of or or at least lay the foundation for the vision that you're going to push forward that you want the fan base to buy into here's the problem they've done that completely to the expectation of what we thought they would they have not done it to what i thought they would do i would agree with that i think you have to be careful with that because i think this fan base is over slogans i think this fan base is over hey it's a new vision they've only had i mean think about it they've had four renderings of needland stadium renovations in the last what seven years eight years something like that i mean it's been they've paid they paid over six figures to have it redrawn four different times by four different athletic directors or three different athletic directors danny white will be the fourth so i think there's a little bit of are you throwing money away if you if you come up with a with a you know a zingy slogan and you try to mark it a little bit that way because i think i think that rings hollow with fans who have kind of grown weary of some of that stuff austin's right they want to win i mean here's the amazing part tennessee season ticket renewal right now is at 84 percent that's not bad when you consider where this program has been and coming off three and seven and all the unknowns 84 of the season ticket holders to date from last year have renewed their season tickets and so i think you've got to be careful that you don't sour those people who continue to support you throughout whatever you're going through yet another round of changes which is where tennessee's at right now so this is a bit of an off-the-wall big picture basketball question are things being set up by tennessee and rick barnes to where he's going to name his successor and mike schwartz is going to be the next head basketball coach in tennessee oh i don't know that i mean you know i think rick barnes certainly whenever he is ready to retire would like to have a say um and and and have a voice and and who his replacement might be but um i i don't think that i'm i don't think that that's set up unless rick barnes is going to walk away right at the start of the season like bobby johnson did at vanderbilt to try to set that up for his friend to be to be the head coach um or something like that so um you know danny white's i mean rick barney's got a new boss in danny white and danny white's a basketball guy so i don't think it's quote being set up i mean mike schwartz's responsibility today is probably not any greater than his responsibility was a year ago with this basketball team rick barnes lets his assistants coach and he lets them do a lot of things and help run the program because he believes it's his responsibility as a veteran coach to get those guys ready to be a head coach wherever that might be whether it's at tennessee or whether it's at etsu for desmond oliver or kim english at george mason or rob lemire at georgia state his job is to get those guys ready to be head coaches and i think that's exactly what he's doing with michael schwartz because i think schwartz is quote next in line to be a head coach off the staff yeah i think that if that were going to happen chad it would have been rob linnear and the robot here would have kind of hung around but i don't think rob i think rob lanier knew that rick barnes had a lot of coaching left in him he couldn't pass up the chance to be a head coach and that's why he made the move down to georgia to be a head coach in that state so you know i i think had if he was going to go that route of kind of like retiring in the summertime and leaving tennessee in this weird position to promote it would have done it'd have been done with roblin here i always enjoy our last segment with the guys as we wrap up the hour the vault quest hour because we get into some random discussion whether it's christmas tree uh you know ornaments for austin price in the middle of may or brent hubs and whatever his wardrobe might be on i've got one on that um we we have a discussion that happened off air as we started where for what we can't figure out why zoom is doing this this week but it may have been last week too but austin and brent can't see us we can see them and they look beautiful on camera as usual and they're missing out but this is what i've looked at all day yeah travis tripp is one of your producers there we go that's what i've seen the whole the whole show you talk about laser focus when i got travis tritt here and i'm wanting to break out it's a great day to be alive on the air here you know we're asking to go to that mini fridge in the background that i see and say you know get us some give us some water get hubs of fresca so so austin and brent join the show we can talk during the break as we start the hour and austin in my ear says all guys i can't see you all i see is travis tripp and i'm thinking what like why is he saying he's stuck on the cmt feed well how exactly is that all you're seeing and then he said oh i see the fridge and then i realized he thinks jacob looks like travis tritt and you know i i can see it now and i can't get that out of my head that that jacob who is who knows nothing about country music whatsoever there we're showing this on the camera now guys travis is lost i miss you upset that cletus t stole that song and made a parody it's it's a little travis tree also a little joe dirt i think in there with uh with jacob a little bit of both brett he accepts he's not yeah i wonder if he's gonna throw johnny paycheck out there you know cletus t's parody it's a great day to be a guy that's paul's anthem because i can just imagine him sitting outside in a lawn chair butt neck and swatting that flies and you know i definitely can see it nailed it that we talked about that and then we also talked about chad who's who's who's a coach pitch for his little you know girls you know five-year-old coach pitch team you know i let me tell you what i envision i envision that the a's which is you know chad's daughter's team loading the bases them down a couple of runs in the last inning and chad says all right if i hit you you're gonna take a base score run lean in the it's going to be like corbin bertson in major league where i got to convince him to take one for the team i'm like you're gonna it's gonna be a little fast just right in the rib cage turn around it's not gonna hurt too long and take that base i like it i just wanted to speak to hubbs sweatshirt for a moment if i could sure if we could put hubs on there for me hey hey sweatshirt buddy i thought you got retired but it turned off you only had a week off so uh welcome back jacob got him a water it's good to see you again and uh hopefully we'll see that that polo next week it's it's in the it's in like the the mid 60s here and the winds blowing today which in my world means it's about 48 degrees outside is to feel like so you just be thankful i'm not wearing a toboggan while i'm doing this thing right now it's just i know you've got more than one well i'm the king of hooded sweatshirts but for you paul one of these days paul will show up and like and a shirt and tie for you just for you because for whatever reason your obsession with my wardrobe particularly after austin compared you to a guy sitting butt naked sweating flies in a lawn chair it's a little bit concerning but that's okay i'm glad you're worried about it variety is the spice of life buddy can't you see paul in it he's like out there and he's got like his robe on he's oh yeah he's got the the the newspaper and he's got his phone and he's like should i hit send on this tweet that's gonna make all the media mad i mean the answer is always yes only the last part of that was accurate the idea that he thinks i'm anywhere near newspaper which i now call as a newspaper man i call a newspaper in my driveway litter [Laughter] he has three or four ipads now guys get it right all right well this is that's our vision all right you got to the awkward silence great job fellas great to have you everybody enjoy the weekend hey just remember there's no crying in five-year-old coach pitch tonight okay oh there will be there is a i every week that happens to someone i i'm not going near the mound if i ever have an opportunity to do the coach pitch i i i would opt out because there is an accuracy and precision that that is needed for every parent's child like there's an expectation of how dare you not pitch the exact same speed and height to my child as you did the child prior in order chad is saying hi chad is a saint for doing this and if anyone has a problem with withrow you come to outkick 360. i'm so committed to success i'm getting there at five o'clock for a six o'clock game and we're going through batting practice beforehand yeah so i can learn the speed and where the players like it so it'll just go in the memory bank of oh emma's up now and she likes it here caroline's up and she likes it on the inner half so i can try to locate pitches you're basically trying to hit bats because they're going to swing the same way the same time every time you're trying to hit a bat no pitcher when we do the out kick masters when we do the out kick masters does your daughter have a game in and around that because we may need to come oh we should broadcast they're off the fence and just yell at you is that a cutter with row is that is that a split finger i think there's great potential show content with you guys heckling me at one of these games hey i'm gonna be in a hoodie i'm gonna be just like this right here behind me like playing a bomber and i'm going to be hanging you to death last night and as we wrap up i'm glad you mentioned the 360 masters because we had someone a week and a half ago that uh that purchased the bay next to the ball quest bay we have two bays left for sale and it'll be sold out and you can actually still get a bay next to the ball quest bay we're going to put we can put austin and brent and the whole crew in the middle and you can have one on either side so if you'd like to uh they requested us out of us yes they did they put that in the in the comments section of their ticket price yeah so uh you can you which means you're coming by the way you will be there on june the 10th you're committed to this now uh you can go to our twitter account for the link so thank you awesome if you are you want to be on the right side of us not the left side because hubs hits this big cut okay you know and if he if he hits one off the toe he may hit somebody thank you jim furyk how much merchandise are you requiring before you show up to participate in this event i mean does that have to provide you like a week's worth of peter millar gear i mean what do they got to give you to get you to make an appearance and i hope you don't big boy them for a better golf course hey listen we're gonna we're gonna make a day of it hubs me you i'm gonna i've got i've got i'm gonna i was in a car with you for two days driving across the state last week i know but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna come over there i've got my guy jake at brentwood country club i'm gonna try to set this up and i are coming in to play with a bunch of ball questers it's going to be a blast before we head over to the topgolf event masters can i wear a hoodie absolutely just not that one absolutely not this one i got to wear a nicer hoodie is that a russell is that a russell guys thank you as always and uh we will catch up with you next week appreciate you thanks guys appreciate you guys thank you brent hobbs austin price thank you jim fury guys what up what a fun week another week books weekend is coming up happy mother's day to all the moms we are in in for a big weekend chad's got a big game tonight two big games tonight tonight tomorrow it's going to rain tomorrow at noon tonight every single program i'm going to finish the program simon's got a bunch of soccer i may be comforting him tonight if this race doesn't go well there you go wish me luck all right big thanks to our crew uh be sure to check out fanduel.com k360 for the best odd new users up to a thousand dollar risk-free bet if you sign up over the weekend if you lose your first bet when you opt into the thousand dollar risk free bet you can get up to a thousand dollars back 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