A shocking discovery at the Bre-X site - The Six Billion Dollar Gold Scam, Ep 4, BBC World Service

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In early 1997 a fax arrived at Bre-X’s  Jakarta office for John Felderhof. It   was from Michael De Guzman, 854 miles  away at the exploration site in Busang.  It read: "Sorry to disturb you, but   our geology building got burned down last week." The fire at the Busang camp destroyed the survey   office, an administrative office and a break room. Numerous files were lost,including   drill logs and maps. One of the investment bankers who was   trying very hard to be involved with all this had  arranged to visit the site and wanted to inspect   the core samples and there was a mysterious  fire that shut everything down for a while.  Paul Murphy, the Indonesian Vice President for  Freeport, Bre-X's new partner, never really   questioned how the fire got started. There was so much going on at the time   about the Bre-X frenzy that that  was kind of lost in the shuffle. Officially, Bre-X blamed the fire on an  electrical short circuit caused by a power surge.  But John Felderhoff circulated another rumour.  The fire could in fact be someone playing dirty   tricks. Earlier that evening, he'd spotted  a helicopter circling overhead. No one ever   got to the bottom of how the fire started. But those lost files? The records from all   of Bre-X's gold drilling. There weren't  any copies. They were gone forever.  It was amidst that chaos that Freeport sent  a small team to the site in East Kalimantan.  Their job was to prove once and for all  whether Bre-X's gold really did exist.  I’m Suzanne Wilton and from the BBC  World Service and CBC Podcasts, this   is The Six Billion Dollar Gold Scam,  a story about the lengths people will   go to in pursuit of getting rich. And how greed can obscure the truth…  This is Episode 4: Prospector of the Year. Geologists Joe MacPhearson and Dave Potter   were part of the Freeport team sent to  Busang. Their plan was to do their own   drilling to verify Bre-X’s findings. First, they flew into the nearby city   of Balipakan to meet with Felderhof and De  Guzman. Joe McPherson remembers that meeting.   So we met them in the hotel that night and we were  down in the bar having a couple of drinks and Dave   Potter had to get up and go back up to his room. It was all very cordial at the time, everyone was   laughing and joking, having a great time and  Potter was gone for a long time and he came   back and sat down beside me and I said ‘What’s  going on?’ and he said somebody broke into my   room. ‘Really did?’ Yeah he said it was really  weird because I had a pile of money sitting   on the desk and they never took it.  But someone had broken into his room.   Was he concerned ? Not at the time, retrospectively yes,   because we realised they were probably looking  for notes or something and trying to figure out   what our plan was and they being the unknown I  do not exactly know okay, but clearly someone   broke in and it wasn’t anybody who were down there  with. It was not De Guzman, it was not Felderhof.   What do you think that they  could have been looking for?   Well they obviously were not looking for  money as Dave had 10 or 12 million Rupiah   sitting on the table in plain sight and it was  not touched. He said he thought his notebook had   been looked through. He had a notebook. And how could they use that information   and what might that information be important for? Well it would perhaps give them an idea  of what our plans where we would go and   what part of the property we would want to  visit if we wanted to look at drill core,   if we were going to make a deep dive on the labs  they would have been all in Dave’s notes to some   degree and knowing Dave it was probably in a point  form. You know I need to do this, this and this. Unsettling for sure, but they shook it  off and carried on to the Busang site.   While flying over the jungle  canopy and into the camp,   Joe McPherson remembers getting  a feel for the place once again. We flew in in a helicopter and  landed at the helipad and there   were buildings where some of the  core was theoretically stored. Core are small cylindrical samples taken  from a mine to double check the quality   and amount of gold. It was quite a large camp   with dormitory type things. A nice big  canteen for people to eat and the main   house was where Felderhof and De Guzman lived  and it had a porch and it would look out over   the Bre-X area down in the valley and there  were lots of chairs and couches and stuff.   They would entertain all the visitors there. John Felderhof and Michael De Guzman had made   their own way from the hotel in Balikpapan  to the camp and met them on the veranda. So of course out came the beer again and it  turned into quite a session that afternoon.   We sat there with them probably for about  three hours. Felderhof was very ebullient   okay very excited, he was running off  showing us pictures of his beautiful   house somewhere in the Hamptons I don’t know  where it was exactly but he was very excited   to have us there and as the beer started to  flow and people were yakking more and more.   De Guzman was very quiet through most  of this I must say and I noted that to   Colin who was sitting beside me. Colin Jones was another member of   the team from Freeport who joined  McPherson and Potter at the site. Later that afternoon Colin, myself and Felderhof  got into a bit of a conversation and Felderhof   came out of the blue and said, “What would you do  if you drilled holes and didn’t get any gold?” And   Colin of course at that point we were very excited  and said ahhh well it must have been a mistake at   the lab. We kind of laughed it off. Felderhof asked this?   Felderhof asked this. And at this point you had   not done any of the drills? No this was the first day,   we hadn’t even unpacked our bags. And did that trigger you at all?   We wondered why he would ask that but again  we kind of know it's probably, we’ll have to   check the lab, it's a screw up in the lab as that  does happen. But it was just a very, very strange   question to ask. We both commented to each other  later that that was kind of a weird question.   Dave had notified Felderhof and De Guzman that  we were going to do twin holes. Now the twin   hole is basically, this is their drill hole and  we would come in and drill another hole ourselves   right beside it and that's a commonly accepted  procedure for any due diligence, you always   twin a number of representative holes. Did they seem resistant to that idea?   No, not resistant, just not  super cooperative either. The Jungle is surprisingly  quiet believe it or not.  The only bad part of the jungle is that it's  so hot, it's hot. You walk outside and you’re   just covered in sweat, so you're constantly  wet and everything you touch seems to have   a thorn and the mosquitoes are unbelievable. This was Dave Potter’s second trip to Busang.   As Freeport’s Head Geologist he’d gone out there  a few weeks before the deal was made to check out   the site… not drilling… just to look around. The camp was on the side of a hill and it kind of   went into a valley and they had a nice camp. You  see that’s the other thing exploration geologists   like to get out far far away from anybody as  no one comes to see what you're doing. Dave Potter had a lot of geological  experience… and he was sceptical   about the amount of gold in Busang. But he was prepared to be proved wrong. You know I went out with a clean slate and  I thought okay Freeport has got involved in   this thing. I am a little leery but okay  they’re going to be our partners. Let's   you know fold them into the embrace here and  try real hard to make them part of the team,   our team. I tried real hard to make us part  of their team. I even had some hats made   that were half half Bre-X and Freeport, FCX  trying to get everyone to be part of it. On Dave Potter’s first trip he’d  found a well run and busy camp.   But this visit was different. How do I try and explain this? It   just got kind of quiet. Before it was a lot of  activity a lot of people running around and when   we got out there to do the work it kind of got  quiet just there weren't quite as many of the   higher ups around and you had to look for the main  guys. I mean they were hard to find. And I started   to speak to some of the young geologists out there  who gave us a lot of information and a lot of   help. And then you know you start getting this,  it sounds silly but you start to get kind of a   creepy feeling something just isn’t right. That’s  when things started getting interesting for us. And then… a red flag. I wanted to look at some of the core that was   in the sheds there. I was a little disappointed  because there wasn’t a lot of core. I was somewhat   surprised they did not have more examples of  what they were drilling because they just drilled   thousands of metres of rock and I was surprised  there was not more core available to look at. Standard practice is that you keep 50% of the core  drilled. The US Securities Exchange Commission,   the SEC, who help prevent fraud, require  it, in case there's a question over results. Normally you keep what we would call  a skeleton which is maybe eight to 10   inch whole core and the surprising thing  with what they were doing was they ground   it all up to assay which is not normal practice. I questioned that a little bit. I had been told by   both De Guzman and some of the geologists that  the gold was so touchy that they had to ensure   that they got all of it by grinding up the  entire core but they assured me it was okay   because they took pictures and they described the  rock and I was again a little hesitant as you run   into problems with the SEC if you do that Dave Potter went to visit the lab in the city   of Samarinda, 200 miles or 300 kilometres through  dense jungle from Busang, where Bre-X were sending   the crushed rock samples to be tested for gold. What he found there made   him even more concerned. The lab guy at the lab was a good lab   man. A good honest man ran a good business and he  commented to me. He said it's kind of funny here,   we get these cores in plastic bags and when we  dump it into the crusher to be crushed up they   make us wash the bags out and I started talking  to him about, well they grind up all the core and   he said I don’t know why they want to do that  and we started talking back and forth and that   feeling got worse, that tense feeling because I  think the lab guy at the lab was trying to tell   me that something was funny too but he did not  want to break up the client confidentiality thing   that he had with Bre-X and he did not want to be  pointing fingers but he was a little uneasy about   the whole thing as well. He kind of looked at me  and said ‘Maybe you want to check this Dave’. Joe MacPherson was also running  into difficulties in other areas. The team looking after data management I wouldn’t  say they were resisting my questions but they   were not openly saying oh here is this kind  of thing. So that made me start to wonder why   they are not just giving this to me. When I say  this I mean geology logs, laboratory analytical   results, geotechnical portions of the geology,  anything that had to do with the geology and   understanding the gold deposit. And then another red flag… Then we went out to the field with I think  it was myself, Colin, Potter, Felderhof for   sure and I think De Guzman in the main zone the  south east zone, they had basically cleared off   all the trees and exposed the outcropping rocks  and had done some sampling which you normally do   in any kind of exploration project. So we asked  Felderhof what you get out of these trenches.   And John says oh we didn’t get any gold but  we got lots of silver and I thought okay   geology 101 here. Gold is basically what we call  immobile. It does not move very far but Silver   will. Silver will actually move over time because  of weathering processes so if anything you would   expect the gold to still be present in those  trenches. Colin and I looked at each other and   our lights started to go on at that point  and we said this does not make any sense. By this time you're starting to get a pretty  good inkling that something is not right here. Yeah something is not right. Joe McPherson and Colin Jones   knew that if there was any gold, they should  have seen evidence of it in the trenches. The Freeport team persevered  with their due diligence. To check Bre-X’s results, Dave Potter made every  effort to match where and how he was drilling so   his drill core would be identical to Bre-X’s. I like to call drill rigs geologists lie detectors   because do you really think we know what's going  on 300 metres below the ground? We like to think   we do and we get all excited about it but  at the end of the day its that drill rig   that tells you whether you have it or not and  our drill rigs and we use the same drill rigs   that the Bre-X people were using they drilled  those holes we were getting the right rocks. Same holes, same rocks. Different results.   Dave Potter sent the drilled core to the  same lab in Samarinda, used by Bre-X. The first results were not good. No traces of gold were found. We started going oh, what’s going on here? So  we changed a few of the drill hole locations.   We actually took a drill and set it like three or  four feet away from an existing hole and drilled   right beside it to make sure we had not missed  something but doing a scissor hole that one came   back dead and while all this was going on things  got harder and harder to get done at the camp.  People started disappearing.  De Guzman disappeared. After these poor results from Samarinda,  Dave Potter sent the final drill samples to   Freeport’s own assay lab in Jakarta. This would be the clincher. As the drill results were being  tested back in Jakarta the 1997   Prospectors and Developers Association  convention was being held back in Canada.  This is the mining industry's annual  gathering and John Felderhof was due to   receive the Prospector of the year award. The CEO of Bre-X, David Walsh joined John   Felderhof and Michael De Guzman, plus his group  of Filipino geologists who’d flown in from Busang.  The Bre-X three should have been feeling bullish. Bre-X’s Vice President Bryan Coates remembers   De Guzman and Felderhof introducing  their gold discovery, this year they   were being crowned as kings. 1997 was more a coronation with   the transaction that had occurred so they were  rockstars. That's the way I would describe it. He and John were riding high though at that point. But, though again they were rock stars they had   discovered and they were amongst their peers.  They were hitting it out of the park right   from day one so pretty amazing so that’s  why they had the status they had amongst a   convention of explorers and promoters. How colourful was Michael De Guzman?   He had an aura around him and Felderhof and the  rest of the team had sold it that this guy was   really smart and high IQ leave him in his bubble  so he can think about his whole aspect there   Don’t disturb him and again it's like an athlete a  successful athlete if you let them, You live with   their quirks because they’re talented in certain  things so you say don’t mess up the recipe. Joe McPherson had also made his  way out of the jungle and back   to Canada,to attend the conference. He was anxiously awaiting the results   from the last round of core samples. He tried to remain professional.   Walsh was there with all his sons and all  the investors, it was a big deal. Everyone   was back slapping and congratulating and all  that kind of stuff. I was trying to stay in the   background and they kept trying to drag me in. So I was there mixing with them but trying to   keep my distance as well as there is a six-billion  dollar price tag hanging out there on the shares   and that so I just kept my distance and I was  cordial and I met them a couple of times. One time I met De Guzman in the Royal  York hotel, which is the meeting place,   they have a mezzanine level and it has  a railing around it. I came out of the   elevator one evening. I think it was Monday  night and there was de Guzman and he had his   head down and he was leaning over the railing  and he looked very unhappy so I went over to   him and said, “Hey Michael what are you  doing? Are you feeling alright?” He says,   “Yeah, yeah I just got a lot on my mind.” And  I just walked away and did not hang around. On the Monday after chatting to De  Guzman on the mezzanine, Joe McPherson   decided to go back to his hotel room. I guess around 5.30pm I got a call from   Jakarta and it was a geologist who looks after  all the analytical results and she is a very   smart lady but she is very timid and on the  phone she said, “Pa Joe, Pa Joe I am really   sorry.” And I said, “Why are you sorry? Well  the assays came back and there’s no gold.” So I am sitting on the side of my bed in a  room at the Royal York and I am holding a 6   billion dollar secret in my hand. WOW. I had to go down stairs to get the fax. In  those days it was fax and I got the fax and   looked at it and said holy shit and then I  said I don’t think I am going back down to   the Prospector of the Year Award so I bailed. Do you remember how you felt at that moment? I was shocked. I was in a state of shock. But there you are in Toronto and John Felderhof   is about to give a speech as prospector of  the year and you're holding this secret. Did you tell anyone? No, I couldn't. You know   how many people’s lives I would have ruined at  that time. It was not good and I was in a very   very difficult position but I talked to Dan and  I said look I am not going to say another word   I am going to get the hell out of here and  he said yeah that’s right just get out, go. Dave Potter was the first person to receive  these negative results from Freeport’s lab   and while Joe was reeling from the news, Dave was  already on a flight from Busang to Jakarta. The first person I had to speak to was Jim  Bob and I gotta tell you that was one of the   hardest telephone calls I have ever made in  my life. There was always the potential that   this was real and we were sitting on one of  the largest gold deposits the world had ever   found and Freeport was involved for a pretty  good percentage of it and Jim Bob was I think   he was hoping against hope that it was real I  agonised for about an hour before finally picked   the phone up that night. It was about 2.00am in  the morning and I called him up and said, “Well   Jim Bob there's nothing, there’s nothing there.”  And I have got to give the man credit he said,   “Are you sure Potter?” And I said, “Yes sir, I  am sure.” And he hung up and that was it. After that call, Jim Bob  went looking for answers.   He started asking questions  which would be kind of like   having a five tonne boulder drop on your  head having Jim Bob come and talk to you. Freeport’s reputation and his own was on the line,  not to mention the lives of all the investors. He needed to speak to Bre-X’s CEO David  Walsh, so he picked up the phone. Over at the Prospectors Convention, a litigation  lawyer named Alan Lenczer happened to be in David   Walsh’s hotel room with John Felderhof when the  call came in from a furious Jim Bob Moffet. While we were sitting there the most astonishing  thing happened, the phone rings and David picks   it up because its his suite and I can only hear  one side of the conversation but Jim Bob Moffat   was calling and from what I could ascertain  he was telling David that Freeport Mcmoran,   which was his company had drilled some holes  adjacent to the holes that Bre-X had drilled   and they had recovered core they had taken  the core to the assay lab and there was no   gold and it was David’s reaction, which really  stunned me because he said “What, what are you   talking about of course, this is impossible.” In the Bre-X tapes Jim Bob Moffat recalls this   phone call with David Walsh to Richard Behar,  who was writing an article for Fortune Magazine.  When you called Bre-X you spoke to  David. Did you speak to him right away?  Yes, yes I wouldn’t sit around  with something like that.  I know but you said you could not  get anyone out there from Bre-X.  Well guess what, guess where they all were? The  night of the damn phone call all of their senior   people were in Toronto because John Felderhof and  David Walsh were receiving the prospector of the   year award, even De Guzman was there. Yes I spoke to them that week.  They left the job site and left all these young  Filipinos out there. We had nobody in charge,   we were out there sitting  on this god damn pancake.  I told David I said we have got a problem here  and I am talking to a guy here who starts a   conversation with I don’t know anything  about this technical stuff I am just the   money raiser and Felderhof just keeps saying  you guys must be confused. I said we may be   confused. I am not going to tell you anymore  over the telephone. I am asking you to get   somebody out here who can go over this data  with us so you can understand the problem.  The conversation went on for a little while and  David said we’ll check this out right away, I’ll   get back to you and put the phone down and turned  to John and said where is De Guzman where is he?  Get him back here as fast as you can. Then it was Dave Potter’s turn to   speak with Walsh and Felderhof. I called them up and wanted to talk to them.   This was the night they gave their acceptance  speech for that award, which I thought was kind   of ironic and I said you guys need to get back out  here and explain why we can’t find any of the gold   that you claim you have. His first comment was  kind of a rude thing, he was caught up in the   moment of the awards so he was riding high at that  point in time and he wasn’t really focusing too   much on what we were talking to him and he just  kept saying that can’t be I don’t believe it. As Felderhof walked to the award podium to the  theme music from Raiders of the Lost Ark, in   front of a room full of promoters, investors and  developers, all oblivious to the drama unfolding,   Michael De Guzman was found partying  hard in one of Toronto’s strip joints. Walsh and Felderhof wasted no time  instructing De Guzman that he had to   go back to Busang to meet with Dave Potter and  answer why Freeport couldn’t find any gold.   So confident of Busang’s gold, Felderhof and  Walsh tried to dismiss these early results.   They never entirely trusted Freeport anyway  and suspected they’d try to drive down the   price of Bre-X by discrediting their sampling. Over in Busang Dave Potter had just blown up a   $6 billion dollar company and he was anxiously  waiting. Waiting for De Guzman to return.
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Published: Thu Jun 13 2024
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