A Medium Against Reason - Craig Hamilton Parker

[Music] if you're watching this on YouTube you might have noticed that this episode is a week delayed but if you want to get early access to our episodes consider becoming a paying member if you enjoyed this episode please subscribe and share it with with your friends thank you for all your support in 2007 I presented a documentary called enemies of Reason one of the people I interviewed was Craig Hamilton Parker a medium who claims to communicate with the dead I've just listened to it again I think it's complete nonsense that he communicates with the dead but I have to say he comes across to me as completely sincere and also rather intelligent articulate and fair-minded I think many med are out and out charlatans I'm pretty sure Mr Hamilton Parker is not as usual with uncut and unedited footage I have to warn against smart Alex who say the cameraman must have been drunk they simply display their ignorance about how a film is made actually also their lack of common sense about how a film obviously has to be made before it gets to the editing stage pointed that we're used to seeing edited footage in which the sweeping around of the camera and the zooming in in and out have all been eliminated also the director may stop the camera and ask for a question to be repeated or phrased in another way this inevitably leads to repetition which of course you don't see in a final edited production so please don't be impatient with such repetition here then is my interview of Craig Hamilton Parker well that was a very engaging performance you gave us the other night but I'm curious what actually goes on in your head when you're getting these messages that you're relaying to people difficult question to answer um it's not really a rational thinking process I believe that I'm in touch with my unconscious mind and that's um I it's a little bit like my experience of it is a bit like the way ideas will come into a person's head like they they come into a person's head almost like a fully formed idea and we don't know where it's come from and um it's a little bit like that I I think you could call it your intuitive mind I I would I would think of it as but do you hear voices I mean do do you sort of hear a male voice or a female voice or or um it's a mixture of all the seeing hearing feeling sensing all of those things come together but it's more like an in blending of thoughts it's as if my thoughts have been interlaid with another set of thoughts and as if all I really need to do is look Within Myself it's a form of introspection that I do and it's from that I give the information I'm giving and um that seems to correspond with what the person um understands about their person that passed over sometimes you you feel it's coming from this part of the hall or that part of the hall yes there's a sensation of where it's coming from when you get a kind of glow from again like that comes like a gut feeling it's s of like it's almost pulled from the stomach is the feeling I would explain that as I just feel I know I've got to go to that place or I know I've got to go to that person M and you can't think oh I think I go over that side of the hall CU I've been to that side first you might find it you whole cluster of people you you tend to do all at once which is you know just the way it goes you you pulled to that direction and that's how I feel it works now why do you think you're talking to dead Spirits rather than for example picking up telepathic messages from the people in the audience say um well if you can accept telepathy it could well I don't but um telepathy it could be telepathy it could be argued that it could be telepathy um I would argue against that in that in some instances I've had instances where people have come to me afterwards and said that there's something I for example said to one woman there's a tin of green paint falling in your garage and she went home and she found a garage was covered in green paint now she didn't know that tin of paint would Fallen therefore I could not have read it from her mind Unless somehow my mind had been able to see remote viewing in another place we could always argue with one way or the other how ESP works but I think when you bring it all together from my understanding it is a connection with the spirit world rather than telepathy with the person do you having any trouble in the churchard and picking up lot quite often Dro in for a chat e no um places like this we believe that the spirit world is separate from the Earthly world I mean you get lots of silly programs that talk about ghost hunting and things like that maybe there's vibrations maybe there's these things called residual energy they talk about but I believe in a spirit world that we go to after death all I argue is that the personality continues after death I don't even know there's a God but I can argue that there's the what I try to prove through what my work that life continues that our personality somehow survives do you find a churchard rather a crowded place have you got the bandwidth to cope with it yeah a good place to drop in for a chat I suppose but no I think the churchard actually you might feel the residual energy psychics talk about of people that have been here before I.E the people that have grieved here before and so forth but I believe that this what happens is the spirit goes into what we call the spirit world after death and um that world is a world that I hope I can prove through through my mediumship and um is something that is I believe we prove fundamentally the continuation of the personality after death I don't even prove there's a spirit world I don't even prove there's a God but what I tend to do I believe is suggestive life after death I think if I were talking to someone in the spirit world I wouldn't waste time talking about tins of green paint I'd say things like what's it like being dead what's God like um you know things I can you see the whole of the universe can you see what everybody's doing uh why do you ask them such banal questions yeah good point but I think what happens is that um it's the way the mediumship works mediumship comes I believe from the non-rational non-verbal parts of the brain of the such a thing I believe it's like a holistic understanding it's a blending of thoughts between myself and the spirit Communicator so often the things that will come to us maybe things that I can grasp I it's not like a telephone call to them and able to give this this this this sometimes we get what we call Clare audience where it's a it gives me the feeling of like hearing but most of the time it's what we call a clar sentience a sensing of the personality the feelings the sensations and sometimes the smallest things can be very important for example um my wife said recently to sitter um I wanted to give you a tin of Bal not Bal um braso the cleaning fluid and the woman had given that as the key word that she was going to be the key word to say that I when I survive I'm going to show you a tin NE braso they'd already pre-agreed that so sometimes little things could be hugely significant but if only it could be just like a telephone line um as mediums are working through a very difficult uh form of communication which is not like the normal Earthly communication so that's why the spirits don't tell you things clearly but you get these sort of vague word that sounds a bit like the word that that the person's looking for or something like I mean I was struck for example that you said something like Simon Bennett and there was a girl who said oh well my boyfriend was called Ben and he had a friend called Simon and I sort of wondering why don't the spirits kind of talk to you more clearly than that why do they use this obscure roundabout almost like solving a crossword clue yeah I think you could argue that that people try to make things fit sometimes and sometimes people do do that but I believe that sometimes what we're getting is we're getting the kind of the whole picture it's a bit like when you're dreaming when you when you're asleep and you dream You' you've got a a a mental process going on but it's completely different to the sort of mental process we use in Waking Life and it's very similar with mediumship we're getting the information almost all at once sometimes it's a a thought communication as opposed to a verbal communication so words can be particularly difficult names can be particularly difficult sometimes because that's all out of the rational mind I think this was probably here um perhaps in times before we developed language maybe it would made environmental sense for us to be able to um communicate by telepathy when we couldn't use words it would have made some form of sense if we had a gut feeling that the The Water Hole was poisoned or that we were being stared at by dangerous animals I mean these things perhaps were there before language developed well in your performance the other night you you got a few hits in amongst the misses um isn't what you're doing cold reading well depends what you call cold reading this is something think that a lot of the rationalists have come up with is saying that what you do is you say something and people basically make it fit and uh I think there sometimes can be cases where people do make things fit and they do try to sort of use convoluting thinking to try to pull um dispar things together again but I think when you really examine the evidence of what myself and other mediums do you will find that a large large proportion could never be explained Away by something like C reading it's because there are sometimes such specific details that come through that there's absolutely no way that anybody else in that audience could ever taken that fact as their own but only the person that the recipient of that message one of the things about specific information like that which I agree with you is is impressive is that only the stories which are specific are the ones that get repeated I mean you told us the green paint story just now you don't go around telling stories where what you um said what you predicted didn't happen uh so um there's a kind of one-way filter whereby only the only the impressive Stories the green paint stories get repeated and no doubt many viewers of this program will go away and tell other people about the green paint story but you don't say you know I went to a medium and he said that that there would be green paint um in my garage and I went home and you know there wasn't that people don't repeat those stories true you're talking about selective memory aren't you here the people kind of remember the things they want to remember and I'm sure that would be the case for anything I mean I SP to it's happened in science as well I should think where people have seen what they want to see but I think if you do examine the body of evidence carefully you will find that there is a a large bulk of what is said is accepted by the res I don't claim to be 100% I think that would be arrogant to say that I think I get a lot wrong and I think other mediums do get a lot wrong as well because it's such a difficult form of communication but I believe that within it there is a large body of evidence would be suggestive of life after death and within that too there are sometimes things that are so very specific that it you've got to think about it something that will stand out that is you know so absolutely specific to that person that that does it certainly should be worthy of Investigation by science I feel well science is always ready to investigate things um the thing about science is that it investigates the whole picture it investigates all the misses as well as the hisses as well as the hits it counts the misses as well as the hits and that there is a real risk that only the hits get get published or get repeated it does happen in science I mean there there's a risk in science that I think it's called the um desk drawer effect whereby studies that apparently don't show an effect don't get published they get stuck in the desk drawer and only the ones that apparently do show in effect end up getting published so there is a danger of a kind of one-way filter which we have to be very careful of and it also can be um people like myself people that into all the mystical things have beliefs but so does scientists have beliefs and the problem is I think if you come to this subject with a a a pre-made agenda to say it's all a load of nonsense therefore and then you start looking it purely from the point of view that's rubbish that's rubbish that's rubbish when you start these things are dealing often with human testimony just as it's more like a court of law in some respects because human tesy in a court of law will have a person perhaps hung but in in terms of trying to prove ESP or trying to prove the Paranormal um that human tesy is analyzed to the point that it becomes almost irrelevant for example often they'll say oh that Medium asked 20 Questions when he was giving given the reading but the questions will often be sort of your father in the spirit world is named George is that correct yes we was a big man is that correct yes so that so often things like that can get twisted and distorted and I think the body of evidence really has to be looked at in such a way that we have to take into the fact that we're not dealing in the same way as we are with hard science we're dealing with people with people's understanding of this with people um if you've convinced a person that that's their grandmother to the point that they're actually crying I mean surely those tears enough are are perhaps proof that they've had they've had proof that that really is their grandmother that's made could indicate just desperate wishful thinking perhaps I mean one of the things I noticed looking around the other night at your at your Seance was that people did seem to be very very anxious they were on your side I mean they were really trying to help and um they didn't look terribly convinced I didn't think very much to honest but but time and again you you would you would say and I thought well that's that's that's a hit isn't it but yet they looked sort of unconvinced they didn't really look very persuaded by it and then it was though they they were desperately searching around for a way in which they should make it a hit for example you you got a Morris Miner uh the other the other night and you said a black Morris Miner and I went and asked the man afterwards was it really a black Morris M he said well no it wasn't black but it was very dirty so it looked black and I mean that that's a very typical example of where they're desperately trying to embrace within the envelope of what you've said something that actually wasn't it wasn't in it so you you've got them on your side and um again the the girl whose boyfriend was called Ben and and and and so it wasn't Simon Ben it was a a boy called Ben who had a who had a friend called Simon you sort of feel if you start allowing and actually you were rather good at picking up on on those cases is where the the audience might have thought it was a hit but you as it were discounted it I was rather impressed that you tried to discourage people from making things fit because that I agree that would discredit any good evidence that I was likely to give I would rather get a lot wrong and one thing absolutely right rather than people try to just be helpful or try to make things fit in and people do have a tendency to do that I do agree with you but it does not undermine the fundamental fact that in good mediumship facts can come through that can I believe give absolute proof that the personality continues after death do do you see your role as essentially pastoral I mean are you are you trying to help people no not really not pastoral in that sense because I'm not a great lover of religion in many ways even though I tend to do this within spiritualism I find that that is my outlet to do the work um I I feel that in a way it's just my duty because if um if I do have this gift and I can prove that life continues I'm almost a bit reluctant as a medium I came from a completely different background I came from a background of working in advertising agencies and all sorts of things and was quite skeptical about the whole idea before it was proven to me first and um I feel that uh really I don't think it's pastoral I believe I'm helping people and therefore it's I believe it's a wonderful gift and I believe it must be used and I feel it's my duty do you feel it might actually be damaging to some people but as it were stopping them from letting go after they've lost somebody that they love very much um it's a good point but a lot of people bring up that but I believe that it does help people to progress and move forward I mean because I believe what I do is absolutely true I believe that I give you really believe it I believe absolutely 100% that it's true because it's been proven to me against what I believe is against my rationality I believe it to be true I would prefer in some ways to come onto your side and be rational and say it's all L nonsense because it makes it easier to argue but it just it's it's been shown to me so many many times that life continues and personal proof that I've had has given me proof of my father pass of continuation of spirit and my my sister's proof that that she had just after her husband died I mean incredible things that I are so very personal subjective they're hard to argue a case for but for me it's been life transforming and I believe as I was helped I can help others have you seen any of the performances given by Skeptics who've who are who are educated in cold reading expert in cold reading actually showing what one can do with cold reading I mean they're they're very impressive they they amount essentially to Conjuring tricks yes I know I've seen these and I can see how they cleverly worded that it can be taken either way it can you this person is a a a skeptical person that's also got a very open mind you know type of thing and astrology for that's been made to Fist and so yes there is a case for that but don't let I don't think that over should overshadow the fact that that that true mediumship um can actually give the sort of evidence that should certainly make the skeptic think if you go to a really good conjurer say a mentalist and and the conjurer's Act is to read thoughts and they they they call it reading thoughts and of course you and I know that it that it's just tricks and they're 100% right they get it right every single time if they had as many misses as you were getting or as any spiritualist gets they'd be booed off the stage probably be a bit more believable too actually because I think often it's the fact that sometimes mediums get it wrong actually that kind of proves that they're not trying to make games up well I mean I I think that's probably right but there's a sort of double standard where a conjurer has to uh sort of you know actually show that he's got nothing up his sleeve and there are no wires under the table and and so on but somebody like you can get away with what I mean I don't know what sort of hit rate you get about 10% hits or something in a in a typical evening I hope it was a lot more than that um um and and yet you don't have to go through the rigors of proving that you're not um that that that you're not cheating well we do go through the rigors well certainly within spiritualism anybody working within spiritualism is carefully scrutinized you anybody couldn't just stand up and work within a spiritualist church they do they are carefully scrutinized before they work um there are mediums out there that I would worry very much about indeed but I think if and also within spiritualism I mean we're all doing it for free we're all giving our time for free we're giving our um it cost you money to get to a spiritualist church and you only take us sort of fee for your transport I mean it would seem a bit of a pointless exercise I can't see the reason for doing that well that's the most impressive thing you've said to me this afternoon but that of course is not true of many in America who who make big money uh out of well people can but then also people I I don't there's case to argue also that people should uh you know doctor shouldn't earn money because they're saving people's lives and so forth I mean once you accept as a true thing you see from a skeptic's point of view to say you know these guys are out and they're they're they're ripping people off and they're very bereaved point in their life you know if you if you believe it's all untrue then yes I would understand you would think it was an awful awful thing but if you do sincerely believe and know it to be true from your own personal experience then you can look at it in a different way because then you can see that they're helping to people to pick up the pieces again and move forward and life for them becomes whole again there's a lot to be said for the rist arguments I'm I'm not just and I think the rationalists need to look at it as well there's no reason they shouldn't because people tend to believe too many things before breakfast like in aliceon Wonderland but at the same time there is a core of truth to it that I believe needs investigating properly and that it's not just psychology with people making it fit it's not mediums trying to trick people into into believing things that they shouldn't there is a truth behind it and even though it goes against what we would all our rational thoughts it there is a another aspect to the to the world I believe that um we can prove through medium I think I believe that you're sincere I'm absolutely sure that many of them are not but thank you for being sincere yourself okay how do you know that it's not telepathy how do you know it's the spirits talking not people in the audience communicating directly to you well something telepathic has to be already in that person's mind so if there's something I can say to the person that um is they don't know anything about for example there was an instance where I said to someone that um there was a tin of green paint falling in your garage and when they went home that day they found a tin of green paint had actually fallen and there was green paint all over the garage they didn't have that in their mind so I was obviously coming from another source which would have been um I believe the spirit world if not the spirit world perhaps some form of remote viewing but either way they're unus there certainly a would disprove I think telepathy itself so do you think the spirits can actually see all everything in the world tins of green paint everywhere um um cars driving down down the road uh Power stations yeah I believe they're aware aware of this world definitely how much they can project onto the medium's mind I mean if I was a brilliant medium I might be able to tell you you know the number on the a a random number generator but the whole thing is with mediumship is it works through that what I believe is the intuitive side of the Mind the non-verbal side of the mind so often the information that we're able to be pick up is often has to come through our intuitive sensing side as opposed to our logical mind my being impressed at your um some of your hits was slightly lessened after the meeting when I went around and talked to some of the people and learned that many of them keep coming back to the same uh thing again and again they know each other and they know you and you've read some of them sometimes three times before which suggests that you could have been using the same information that you got from at them out of a pre on a previous occasion that that's one problem with this sort of coming back the other problem is it suggest they might be a bit addicted uh to this kind of thing okay there's two questions there and uh people do obviously come back to um spiritualism often and although I was not conscious of going to say people that I've been to before I have been serving cell spiritualist church for some years so there's Pro a likelihood that I could have perhaps unconsciously remembered stuff possibly but um I do know that the information that is given is given in such a way that I it's fresh to me I don't know who I'm going to um as for people coming back time and time again well if the best readings are usually when a person has had such proof that they never need to see a medium again that would be the most successful of a mediumistic setting in my mind that's usually done within the private sitting but people also get a lot of Solace and I suppose reinforcement by coming back and um uh sharing with others a spiritually service um that sharing is part of the healing process because bereavement is an awful thing to get over and it it's something that people don't get over just because they've been given the proof there and then it takes time and I think a lot of empathy comes between people sharing their their their experiences and helping one another to um make those contacts with the spirit world but going back to the first question about the fact that you may have met these people before and therefore have have previous access to the information there would be plenty of people who would have been impressed by some of the hits that you got without realizing that that actually you you knew that but whether consciously or not you knew that because of pre previous encounters so it does rather lessen the strength of the evidence that you keep talking I think in that particular case you I would I would have said it would weaken the evidence there I would agree with you because I is much better if you've come to somebody um you've never never ever encountered before and in fact I didn't un realize I'd been to that person before I was in fact I was a bit shocked when she said you know but um but nonetheless I think again with these things it's I think it's the it's like with any scientific experiment it's a number of proposals that are gradually build the evidence up of sh say of things correct or not and I think with mediumship it's the same one needs to investigate quite a lot of it and quite a lot of mediums to find out where the um proofs are or not but I believe that the general bulk that has come through um spiritualism certainly is convinced many a person and many a great mind including for example um uh the fellow that helped Darwin um Albert uh Russell Wallace Alfred Russell Wallace was you know I mean he he put the whole theory of evolution with Darwin originally they presented it together and and Wallace even sent his papers to Darwin didn't he so you'd have been defending a spiritualist slight different in history yes Wallace went decidedly ordered his old age there's no doubt about it um went odd in his old age too and so did Einstein you know it seems strange doesn't it um one one of the hits you got was Mrs Watson and uh who was a local school teacher not not Watson Jenkins um I don't remember jkin Jenkins Mrs Mrs Jenkins that again yeah uh one one of the hits you got was a local school teacher called Mrs Jenkins and uh it afterward turned out that that she was well known I mean she taught at the school you know maybe half the people there had either been taught by her or had children taught by her so um there would be at least some mediums who might have done a little bit of local research looked up in the local paper or something and found a name like m Jenkins that everybody would would have known do you accept that some mediums might do something like that I think it's pretty unlikely to be honest because it I mean I certainly wouldn't know that I come from Southampton Campell is quite a distance from Southampton it would have been awful to have ever researched things like that I don't think the general medium would research things like I do worry sometimes about TV shows when people are asked to sign who they want to get in touch with before they see the medium that worries me so I certainly do think that we do need safeguards and particular TV mediumship I think there should be much more safeguards than there are instead of just presenting it as entertainment and then that's it um but I do believe that as mediums are generally are very very rare to find anybody that would deliberately try to cheat I'm sure you don't or you'd have actually got more more hits than you did but nevertheless there are some mediums who for example have Stooges who go around the audience in beforehand I don't know in the sort of coffee before beforehand and get some information and then feed it to the medium are you are you aware that that goes on with some of your colleages well I think it was to happen in spiritualism it would seem a pretty lame thing to do really of course it's a lame thing to do because there's no there's no reason I could see them possibly wanting to do it there's no Financial reward I suppose you could say there's an egotistical award but that would seem as there certainly Financial reward in America and I mean one one famous American medium did that he had a little earpiece and it was actually he was having information fed to him by Stooges in in the audience and James Randy the famous skeptic had actually got an engineer to intercept the radio frequency and so you could actually hear the messages being fed to the medium and so the medium was saying I'm getting somebody called Albert who is Albert and at the just before that you heard on the radio signal this the the stooge saying ask him about Albert well if anybody has done that I think they should be drummed out of meip and spirit also spiritualist would also be the first to condemn they have in the past rate mediums and expose mediums that have cheated within and they might have gone on to television sometimes later but within spiritualism you will find the safeguards are in place and certainly that type of thing would never happen within the confines of spirit which is the best place where people really want to investigate this could start looking for the sincere mediums you said that scientists also can be subject to delusion and to gut feelings which could be wrong and that's true which is one of the reasons why the scientific method has put put into place a whole lot of techniques for specifically eliminating the possibility of that bias so a scientist for example May deliberately deprive himself of the information when he's comparing say an experimental with a control in any kind of experiment he doesn't allow himself to know which is the experimental and which is the control not because he thinks he could actually he's actually dishonest he's probably not dishonest but because with the best will in the world it's very difficult uh not to be biased when you know what you're what what what you're doing so when you when you defended spiritualism by saying that it's a human thing it's not subject to scientific investigation in a way that that's selling the past because because what a scientist wants to know is can you eliminate the human um the human element and actually demonstrate in some kind of a foolproof way that it's that it really is uh not cheating and and um that it really is a genuine effect and what you've said you're more or less throwing out the whole of psychology really psychology works like this I mean nowadays people might say well Freud is probably completely wrong say not about experimental psychology not not about psychology which actually does experiments and tests and very very rigorous tests for example telepathy experiments are very very rigorously controlled there's been some interesting experiments with telepathy experiments Bic The Experience where people have been stared at particularly experiments some of the experiments using video imagery as opposed to the zenar which is like static cards that people look at and I um certainly I believe believe that the bulk of these paranormal researches are often shunned by normal normal sort mainstream science as if there's something that we're worried about why should as if it's threatening the very fundamentals of it's not that I mean if if if I could demonstrate telepathy I would be I would I would be absolutely delighted because I would be demonstrating a completely new force of physics that nobody had ever discovered before if I could demonstrate telepathy really really conclusively under under control conditions I would get The Nobel Prize for physics and that and that's not how Einstein got his Nobel Prize by trying to disprove quantum theory so maybe um it would take someone like yourself to ultimately trying to disprove it may actually eventually prove it in fact I think actually when we the proofs will finally probably not come through psychology it will probably come through something like quantum physics because we don't even understand what awareness is what Consciousness is yet and what I'm talking about is involved in the world's introspection of human sense of being of the feeling and sense of becoming in life all those things are so hard for science to ever be able to apply the current rules we have of science too um that I think what I'm doing is kind of in amongst that area it's in the area which is very hard to prove with the normal um dissecting tools of science it's about the human condition and the continuation of The Human Condition after death scientists in a way protect themselves from the accusation of being deluded or self-d deluded by doing their experiments under rigorously controlled conditions so it's not that people actually believe that scientists are necessarily deluded but they they like to be assured that the conditions of the experiment are such that it that it can't happen I mean would would you submit to some such rigorously controlled um experiment I think there could be very interesting ones that could be take could take place for example i' would be very interested to know what happens um if one's doing this type of work and what happens inside the brain we can measure inside the brain with pep scans and things like that nowadays is something happening inside my mind that's different to a normal person's mind has something changed in me when I um claim to be in communication with another personality well that that we could look at it wouldn't show that you are in communication with we show that something's happening show that something different is happening but what about this one then you just mentioned quantum theory and and advanced physics like that what about getting in touch with Einstein and asking him why ask about these dull things like oh he still loves you and he misses you and and the green paint why not ask a really interesting question yeah I do agree I know what you mean but what I'm doing is proving the continuation of life after death continuation continuation of the personality after death that's all I can really do I believe um I think perhaps the rest of the information has to come from the Earthly plane yeah but you could you could really convince people if you did get hold of Einstein but then also then you could think about if you said get in touch with Einstein um Neils bour had his inspiration that the atom turn revolves the the proton revolves the at the um the electron revolves the proton it came to him in a dream so that came to him from his intuitive side oh yes some some of the best ideas come in dreams often they do and some of the Great Inventions have come through dreams and perhaps it's the same sort of type of way it comes you see Neil's bour didn't sort of sudden he he had the this dream that he then understood that this is what he was looking for us is is his intuitive mind given him an answer which his logical mind couldn't so maybe people like Einstein could perhaps communicate with us in some way to give us some information but I don't think it would come out quite in this form of say for example advanced mathematics because I don't understand Advanced mathem well it's a Pity because if it did you'd really convince people but maybe a mathematician Could Be Inspired well indeed yes and that would be the kind of thing it would be you see we we believe that um all thinkers probably including yourself are influenced some way by our intuitive thoughts and our intuitive thoughts are in turn influenced by other influences outside there's no problem about intuitive thoughts and there's no problem about say I'm saying that the intuitive thoughts are turn influenced by the spirit world well yes I know you are but I mean don't don't let's gloss over that because that's a very very important additional thing nobody's going to dispute that Neil's B could have a brilliant idea in a dream and various other scientists have done the same thing but you talk as though by using the word intuitive people are going to say ah he he must mean the the spirit world and of course it's a very very different thing no I'm talking about the intuitive mind itself the same mind that we encounter perhaps in dreams and the unconscious mind that Yung talked about the mind that's below the surface of our rational awareness because that's you asked me earlier where do the um where do you get these Impressions from and that's where I believe it comes from that sort of dark side of the Mind well I believe it comes from that too but I don't believe it comes from the spirit world no I I I know you do okay thank you very much if you enjoyed this episode you can show some support by subscribing to the podcast sharing it with your friends and leaving a [Music] review

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