A Change of Heart Towards Jordan | Africa Brooke | Mikhaila Peterson Podcast | EP 120

because I had had an experience in relation to you years before where I had made a firm decision that I would never in my life listen to anything this man has to say [Laughter] based on a three-minute clip mind you do you remember what it was that I said that was so profoundly irritating I mean there's many can you tell me what can you tell me what that was of course you were talking about the gender pay Gap um and this was a this was part of a longer interview the you know the interview that you had with Kevin Newman and this was a clip three minute clip you were talking about the gender pay Gap and you were saying that you know paraphrasing here but that the reason for most women is because most women are agreeable most women don't negotiate etc etc I I believe that was essentially essentially giving people options as to why it could be that there's this thing that exists or doesn't exist and I didn't even finish the clip I didn't even finish the three minute clip but based on the things that another out of context clip that I had seen before and the way that I'd heard your name being spoken of before in in the context of the trans conversation that was happening around that time 2018 right exactly um again I was watching this clip and it's almost like I wasn't even listening to what you were saying I had already decided that I I don't like this man because someone that I trust has told me that I shouldn't like him so therefore you know the decision is made why do I even have to finish that video right and it was just right and it was just normal well you know we use heuristics like that all the time you know and it's easy to get caught up in them because well you can't listen to everyone and so you kind of have to make a snap judgment about almost everyone and and this and the default is you don't listen because there's like seven billion people so obviously you're not listening to most of them so you don't need much of an excuse and it's really easy for that to get and I mean it's not like I haven't experienced that like in on my podcast you know I invite people on Abigail schreier for example she wrote uh I don't remember oh yeah her the name of her most recent book but it's a investigation into the downside of the of the rush to make everything gender fluid essentially and I was terrified when when I had her on I mean I wasn't rather yeah irreversible damage yeah you know I want to have Andy know on my podcast but that also makes me nervous too and you know because he's tired with the fascist brush and and then you get it's guilt by association and that might have been part of what you were feeling so uh those so you think well you you need a simplifying heuristic and part of that is well that most people aren't worth listening to and he's definitely not worth listening to and right and then that can so easily become politicized and once it is especially when the political has become religious it's really really hard to overcome that yeah and so it really is you know a lot of the things that the radical left are pointing out are in some sense Universal human failings and so they have that truth about them I mean because we could ask ourselves um given the implicit tendency for human beings to have a pronounced in-group preference and the potential we have for violence against out-group members how do we all address our proclivity to damn The Foreigner okay that's a really important question and then like I've got a good I've got a good answer okay let me add the one end to that and then the next thing is well we all have these proclivities how are they exacerbated by by power and privilege right those are good questions but as soon as we make it instantly racist well then we can't even ask the damn questions properly anymore so Mick sorry my joke is over now oh I'm sorry I stomped all over your timely juice you stomped all over my tiny little joke uh I was thinking about that question earlier though uh if everyone has these Tendencies which they certainly do I've noticed that if I have a guest on my podcast and I I think my audience is fairly open-minded but then I'll have a guest on that and they'll hate them and they'll be like well you can't just even if you don't agree with them maybe and maybe they are wrong but like you can't just cancel people because they don't agree with you because you're doing exactly the same thing that the people you're complaining about well you know and also maybe you're maybe your stupid opinions aren't right they're probably not right and like are you so sure your life is going so much the way you want it to go and you're such a bloody Paragon of virtue and the light is shining out every orifice that everything you think and say is correct and everyone who disabuses you of your Notions is evil you're really so sure of that are you so you know you wander around and you think God maybe I should listen to this person because I'm such an ignorant bastard and I'm so full of malevolence and maybe they'll drop one thing on me that won't make me like miserable and doomed to hell and to drag everyone else there too that's yeah well you know I I I felt something similar when I finally leaned into listening to you properly because what was interesting even after that moment in 2018 watching that three-minute clip deciding this man is evil I want nothing to do with him ever again and of course I didn't think I would ever have anything to do yeah infiltrated yeah right um people in my especially people that were not really connected to the digital world a lot of my a lot of older men in my life for example and women in my life would always tell me to read your book it's honestly I people would always say to me Africa you will really love this book I would have friends of mine send me lectures I think you're really going to like this and I I would just completely ignore it and in my mind I'd be thinking what am I what am I going to find what am I supposed to like because again I have this idea of you built up in my head so I'm finding it very confusing that people that know me very well are telling me that there's something that I'm going to like right yeah what the hell confusing but again for years what the hell yes I ignored it so when I started watching your lectures late 2019 and last summer as well in the beginning I could notice myself listening to you and finding waiting for a moment where I could say aha see see right I I knew I was right and you know what I waited I wait that moment never came that moment never came that comes for me right all the time and that again so it's like there wasn't one moment of being awake and then it's done so many little tiny seemingly insignificant moments where I'm just sitting here by my sofa just watching and listening observing myself waiting you know for that confirmation that I'm right and then it never coming and then I have to deal with that and then so again my curiosity I finally allowed myself to be curious again and now Jordan I can say you have been one of the most influential people to me for so many reasons reasons I couldn't even mention right now um but to be able to have the conversations that I do now publicly you have and I I could have never never imagined this ever in my entire life this is things like this don't just happen and the fact that I can tell you this oh no thank you just thank you thank you you got him it's a pleasure it's a rough pleasure but you know you knew what happened to me with uh Marvel Comics that was something it's really something to see yourself portrayed you know I got accused of being a Nazi pretty much when all this happened it was really something because I had been teaching students what we're talking about today about these temptations that you faced and how people it is individuals get sucked into that totalitarian hell you know and then so that was something for that to happen such a reversal and then to have that comic book come out well it was surreal it was absolutely surreal to be portrayed because Nazi wasn't enough right we had to go right for the archetype itself so I think we've raised about four hundred thousand dollars for charity now on the basis of that so that was a fun reversal but it was really shocking when I first saw that I I just couldn't believe it I was very ill at the time too and I thought this can't be real this has to be Photoshop this cannot possibly be happening it's so completely beyond comprehension and you know to come from the pen of one of the foremost black intellectuals and I I use the racial category only because that's the categories that he's using to operate with it yeah so life is really weird that this is true right this is true as this whole conversation illustrates

Channel: Jordan B Peterson

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Keywords: Jordan Peterson, Jordan B Peterson, psychology, psychoanalysis, Jung, existentialism, maps of meaning, biblical series, free speech, freedom of speech, biblical lectures, personality lectures, personality and transformations

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Length: 10min 14sec (614 seconds)

Published: Thu Oct 14 2021