This is a four inch refractor, and this is a four
inch refractor, and this is a four inch refractor, and this is also a four inch refractor. So why are
they priced so differently? Well on paper these all sound great for astrophotography/ We really
need additional tests under the stars in order to make an informed decision. So that's my plan for
this video. I'm going to try all these telescopes out one night - compare them when it comes
to: features, build quality, and of course an image comparison. The image comparison means we're
going to shoot all of these telescopes on the same night, with the same camera, the same mount, with
the object high in the sky. And you may have seen some previous telescope shootouts on my channel
well I'm always trying to step up my game when it comes to testing telescopes. So for the first
time, in this video, I'll be testing these four telescopes with a small pixel, but full frame,
color astronomy camera: the ASI6200MC, which is a very demanding imaging test for a telescope
and it should clearly show us some differences. Hi, my name is Nico and this channel is all
about astrophotography. And today I'm reviewing four inch refractor telescopes all four of these
telescopes behind me actually can be used visually with an eyepiece but I didn't test them that way
because it's just not my personal expertise there are other telescope reviewers like Ed Ting here
on YouTube who I'd recommend you check out for that kind of thing my reviews are only going to
cover uh telescopes from a photographer's point of view so I'm always just going to put a camera
on the back of them I did not personally purchase any of these telescopes they were all requested by
me for the purpose of this review video so let me quickly disclose who lent me each telescope I do
these disclosures for all of my reviews towards the beginning of each video and it is part of my
published review policy the Founder Optics FOT106 was lent to me directly by founder Optics which
is an awesome smaller company that specializes in refractors I previously reviewed their 86
millimeter refractor so if you're looking for that one you can find that review the sky Watcher
esprit 100ed was lent to me by All-Star telescope which is a Canadian telescope store but they
now do have a U.S Distribution Center which is great for me in the US because it makes shipping
much easier and also even now just browsing their site it will show you the prices in US dollars if
you're in the US or Canadian dollars if you're in Canada so they've made some nice improvements
and thank you very much to All-Star telescope America for the loan of this spree 100. the askar
103 apple and the various flatteners and reducers was lent to me directly by askar and I really
value my relationship with askar they're really great about loaning me their new telescopes for
review so I've reviewed several of them on the channel over the past few years and last but not
least a relatively new relationship is with zwo who lent me both these zwo ff107 Apple telescope
and the ASI 6200mc camera that I'm using to test all these telescopes so a huge thank you to
zwo and with all of these borrowed items the companies have no say in what I share in these
reviews the agreement is that I get to try out the telescopes I say whatever I want in this
video and then I send them back or occasionally I'll buy the telescope directly after the review
is published but that's just if I personally want the telescope for something okay that's it for
the disclosures for this one something I often forget to emphasize with these telescope reviews
that is really important if you're a beginner is these telescopes can't be used for deep sky
astrophotography without the proper Mount and for a telescope of this size a four inch or 100
millimeter refractor you can expect the tracking Mount to cost just as much if not more than the
telescopes self so you really need to think of this telescope as one part of a system and each
part of that system has to work together to get good results for deep sky astrophotography
for four inch refractors I'd recommend the sky-watcher eq6r that I'm going to be using
for the testing in this video or amount with a similar weight capacity like an ioptron cem-40
or if you want a harmonic Drive Mount a zwo am5 should work for these two okay next let's look
at the physical characteristics of each refractor and we're going to see what's included all of
their weights and dimensions all the features and build quality okay this is the askar 103
Apple this is a new telescope on the market it is a triplet design with one Ed glass element
in that triplet none of the flatteners or reducers are included but they're all available at a pretty
affordable prices so I have here the 1X flattener installed so let's just measure the length with
the do Shield out but the focuser in and that length to the back of the flattener we have 77
millimeters or about 30 and a half inches with the front cap off with the 1X field flattener
installed the askar 103 APO weighs 5730 grams or 12 pounds 10 ounces okay and then here is
the case that it comes with this of course was packaged in more padding and a double cardboard
box you can see it's like a soft side on the outside with a nice diagram of the telescope and
then on the inside you have this nice thick custom cut high density foam that fits the telescope
really well and this is you know you need the focuser and the Dew Shields closed down and the
visual back on to make it fit just like this with the extension in there as well now uh if you've
seen the review of The ascar V that included the different reducers and extenders and stuff so
there were cutouts for those in the case that's not the case with the 103 Apple since all of those
are optional accessories so they don't put any kind of cutouts for those with this case it comes
with this Vixen style dovetail plate that's plenty long and it has a bunch of holes in it the Rings
are fine they're not super thick or anything but they they work and you guys you can see all the
colors are sort of this orange with black and white and some red to Accents as well and then on
top here of the Rings it does come with this nice place to put your guide scope or finder scope but
also has two cinta style finder shoes back here let's rack out the focuser so I don't know if you
can hear that I'll just be quiet here for a second but that that sound is sort of the sign
of his like it's not silky smooth in terms of being a rack and pinion focuser it's it
sounds like there's like a little bit of uh you know friction there or something but uh it
works it's just a little bit doesn't feel like a premium premium focuser in terms of travel on the
the focuser it comes out to a hundred millimeters so nice and long it is indexed both there and for
rotation I had no issue with the manual Rotator it feels really good has just sort of the right
amount of friction on the manual Rotator so that it feels like it's gonna stay solid and not like
rotate too fast but it's also not hard to rotate in terms of build quality I'll just mention a
couple things that uh were a little concerning okay so the first is and I
can just I've left this loose this uh of course focusing knob just sort of
came right off on me as I was testing it now there's a set screw in there to hold it on
so all I'd have to do is just get the right kind of Allen wrench and and put that back onto
the knob here I just thought it was funny that it just came off might have just been a weird
coincidence and then the other thing I noticed is with this field flattener I
don't know if you can see this but I'll try to show it to the camera here it's like
this sort of like delamination so I think this should all be matte black but instead we have some
parts where the matte black coating uh isn't matte anymore it's sort of like glossy so I'm not sure
what happened there but I'm not I haven't seen that on any of my other askar stuff so I thought
I'd I'd mention that okay and then in terms of this being sort of like a system telescope it is
very convenient so if you want to move from the 1X flattener to the 0.8 X reducer flattener all you
do is just unscrew it and then the 8X 0.8x reducer has the same threads it goes in like that
and the they both have 55 millimeter back focus with of course 48 millimeter threads on
the back there so it's going to be really easy to put any kind of camera on whether you're
using the flattener or the 8X reducer 0.8x reducer now if you want to use this reducer the
0.6 X reducer which brings this scope down to F4 you do need to remove a piece of the telescope
here and ask our made it look like in their instructional video that this is going to be
really easy to take off I found on mine it was really sort of stuck on there and so I did need
to use a strap wrench to get this piece off in order to shorten up the telescope so I could use
this 0.6 X reducer so just something to keep in mind uh I felt like it was like I couldn't do
it with just my hand alone even following their instructions but with a strap wrench it did
come off pretty easily with the strap wrench and then I was able to use this reducer
as well next we have the founder Optics fot106 this is a Ed APO triplet design with a
dedicated field flattener that comes with it and from I've attached the field flattener
here as you can see here and from the extended do Shield to the back of the field flattener
it is 69 millimeters or about 27 and a half inches long front cap off but the field flattener
installed the founder Optics 106 weighs 6724 grams or 14 pounds 13 ounces here's the
case it's a nice hard sided case with the style of latch has a handle here on the inside we have foam and some different
accessories some of these I didn't put on but uh it would be nice for instance it comes with
a nice top handle if you want to install that it has m42 or M48 adapters for the field flattener
this is the original um adapter for you know using eyepieces or the field flattener that's a sort of
a roto locking kind of system I took this off in exchange for the threaded adapter but it does
come with it all the other stuff was packaged with the telescope but you can't fit it back
in once you've put it into Imaging mode like this you would need to sort of disassemble the
telescope take off the dovetail and compress the the Rings so to fit it back in the case here
so we have some nice substantial Rings here with attachment holes on the top and a vixen dovetail
it's a little bit short but I think you know long enough that it should work well the focuser seems
really nice and it's really smooth it's like a super smooth experience with the focuser no sort
of scratchiness there all it's a rack and pinion it goes out to 95 millimeters of travel and it
does have a manual Rotator back here that is also nice and smooth no indexed marks for rotation
um that's that is one thing that's missing the standard way to connect the field flattener
is with this sort of Roto lock kind of thing that they they include but you can buy this
accessory which I do recommend for Imaging which is a threaded adapter so it threads into
the focuser threads into the field flattener and I think that's going to give you a better
experience with less tilt this is a standard two inch style field flattener and they do include
adapters for both 42 millimeter and 48 millimeter back here it has the standard 55 millimeter
back focus and the entire focuser assembly is rotatable there's a lock right here for that
so now it's locked but if I unlock that you can see I can rotate the focuser and the nice thing
with that is if you need to get these um focuser knobs you know out of the way or you want to put
them on top like this and here I can show the really Innovative lock system it has it's just a
really nice feeling little big knurled knob there my one issue with it and it's just it's
more just like a learning thing is if you if you get to a certain Focus position if you
just do this just finger tight it's going to hold but if you go a little bit further
I don't know if you can see this see it just moved a little bit so if I really
lock this down as I'm sort of just accustomed to doing then it actually changes the focus
position so you either would have to then you know hold the focus position while you're locking
it or just get accustomed to don't lock it down so hard that you actually move the focus position
when locking the focuser I gotta say the the both the focuser rotation and this camera rotation
are super smooth they just feel really good nothing nothing sort of rattly about them they
lock down really well so everything about this telescope in terms of build quality I gotta say
is really a high-end experience here's the zwo ff107 Apple the FF means full frame the apple
means it's an apochromatic refractor this is an astrograph meaning the field flattener is built
into the design and it is 76 millimeters or 30 inches long with the do Shield out but the focuser
in with the front cap off the zwo ff107 APO weighs 6966 grams or 15 pounds 6 ounces here's the
case that it comes with you can see it's uh hard style case with latches
on the front and a handle but actually I handle both here and here and
this is what it looks like packed you can fit the whole telescope in without taking off the
Rings or The dovetail you do have to put the visual back on and back the focuser in and all
that it has slots here for the Imaging adapters uh the foam feels a little cheap it's like sort
of like a medium density uh foam that that sort of bent already but the cutouts are nice it's
it's well thought out and I do like that you can keep the telescope roughly assembled with
the Rings and everything and still pack it away in this case you can see it comes with some nice
uh Rings here and a top handle it comes with a vixen style dovetail that's nice and long all of
this is you know red accents of course with zwo and the focuser looks substantial it's a rack
and pinion design it is indexed both in terms of travel but also rotation here and it is about it
goes out to about 86 millimeters of travel there in terms of locking it just has the typical little
little thumb screw down here for locking the focus and it just Mo it just moves it just a hair
so you one thing you can do when locking the focus if you're focusing manually is
just to once you find Focus just hold on to it and then lock it and that should
work pretty well um it offers full 360 degree rotation back here this is the
style of manual Rotator I like the most um now any kind of Rotator can introduce
tilt into the system this one included um I haven't seen it on many of these uh sharp
star style Scopes but it might happen this is for locking the rotation of course and then you
have the little indexed Mark right there so what I really like about this is if my software tells
me okay rotate 30 degrees counter clockwise I can say okay I'm at 10 so I'll go to 340 and then lock
it down and it works really well that way it has a normal Center style finder shoe bracket right here
and screws for another one if you need and that's about it every ever all the mechanics seem really
nice uh the build quality seems good so not much to complain about very standard kind of Imaging
telescope here there's a 0.7 x reducer available for the zwo ff107 Apple I have it right here the
way that it installs is you take off all of these Imaging adapters here and it goes into the focuser like this and then it includes these adapters so you have 55
millimeters of back focus off the final threaded adapter here which is a 48 millimeter diameter
okay here's the sky Watcher esprit 100 Ed this is a super APO triplet meaning that it has two
of the three glass elements in the triplet two are this FPL 53 super extra low dispersion glass
that's very desirable for imagers especially but also visual too and then it comes with this
dedicated field flattener which also uses ED glass which I've attached back here now if
we measure from the front to the back of the field flattener with the focuser in it measures
about 64 centimeters or 25 inches with the front cap off but the 1X field flattener installed
the skywatcher spree 100 weighs 7282 grams or 16 pounds one ounce okay here's the very
interesting case that the esprit 100 came in it's a sort of oversized hard sided case with
these latches on the front on the inside there's all of these racquetballs these little inserts
for them but they do come out if you want to play around with them and this is just to really
protect the the telescope here that's where they all are located is in the telescope part of
the the Box you do have to completely take apart the telescope to fit it back into the box right
because even with the Rings and The uh dovetail plate on it's not going to fit back in so you have
to completely take those off there are inserts for all of the different stuff that it comes with but
you basically have to do a complete disassembly to fit it back in here oh and I while we're in here
I should just point out that uh this telescope comes with a bunch of extras so it comes with
a really nice little diagonal here for viewing it comes with a 48 millimeter t ring for
Canon it comes with a visual back of course I've already mentioned it comes with the field
flattener it also comes with a little Sky watcher right angle corrected finder so pretty
cool little accessories especially if you're planning to ever use this scope visually
it comes with this short lazmandi style dovetail plate I was a little bit uh skeptical of it
but once I put my camera and stuff back here everything balanced very well with this telescope
it has very nice beefy Rings here and the focuser seems incredibly well made it's a 3 3.4 inch
rack and pinion focuser very smooth going out it does have indexing millimeter indexing here and
so we can see it's a 90 millimeter travel on the focuser there this is a captain's wheel it's
a little bit sticky but if you loosen that up and the focuser is all the way racked out like
I just did here you can actually move the entire the rotation of the entire focuser now this is
not the primary way to do camera rotation with this this is more if you for some reason wanted um
for clearance reasons wanted the focuser in this position so that the knobs are up here you can
do that and then once you've done that you just lock this Captain wheel back down and that's now
locked in this position this is the focuser lock and this is one of the best focuser lock designs
I've ever used it's so easy to find Focus right holds well and then I just bring this little
lever down to lock focus and it does not move the focus position so right so if I get fine
focus one of the very annoying things is with a lot of these Focus lock designs you start
twisting them and it actually slightly moves your focus position this lock is perfect so
if you are manually focusing the esprit 100 it's a very good focuser for that now this
is where we get camera rotation and I'm not sure about this design if I really like it so
much because it seems a little bit hard to use in the night but it's two rings so you loosen the
back ring that lets you rotate the camera however you want and then you tighten this front ring and
that's the locking ring and now well not quite there there we go so now rotation
is locked so to get it back you know I'd have to you have to sort of do you
have to sort of use both hands and go in opposite directions and then you can loosen it up again
rotate the camera and then lock it back down the the two things I don't like about this is
it seems sort of hard once you get it really locked to unlock it and then also there's
no indexing for rotation okay here's the field flattener it seems to work quite well
it comes with the telescope and I like that it's fairly customizable it actually has
63 millimeter back focus from here which is these larger 68 millimeter threads um but then
it also comes of course with a little adapter to bring you down to 48 millimeter threads and this
adapter is eight millimeters in thickness so from from here the 48 millimeter threads then you have
the standard 55 millimeter back focus and that's how I used it with the adapter but if you needed
that extra eight millimeters of space you could take this off and have an extra eight millimeters
there to play around with so that's that's very nice okay and now last but not least we are on
to the imaging test here are the tech details for this Imaging session I won't spend too much time
with these because they're pretty much my standard testing regimen in terms of shooting with no moon
out in the middle of the night when the object is high in the sky using my sky Watcher eq6r Mount
I always do five by five minutes for this kind of telescope testing uh the the reason I don't
do longer Integrations is so that uh you know I can capture the object quickly enough that it's
in this basically the same part of the sky and we're not having as much atmosphere differences is
the only thing that really changed this time which I mentioned at the beginning is instead of the
2600 MC which I used for the past two I think I'm now using the 6200 MC on loan from zwo which is
pretty cool because it's a full frame camera but with small pixels so this should be the ultimate
in showing us sort of the differences when when we're talking about telescope Distortion it's it's
also you know something that's that most people I wouldn't really advise but it's just if you're
interested in this kind of thing telescope testing I think this is the ultimate kind of camera to
test with right now okay the first thing we're going to look at here is a single frame from
each telescope I tested at Native focal length and the main thing I'm looking at here in a single
frame is just how well the telescope illuminates a full frame sensor and so here's the askar 103
you can just see a tiny bit of darkening in the the very Far Corners there's the founder Optics
106 a little bit more darkening in the corners there's the zwo 107 about the same as the askar
and there's the esprit 100. which is pretty good too um just a little bit in the corners but a very
gentle roll-off more so than the others I think okay and then this is now with flats and stacked
and you can see that once you add Flats uh to or once you take flats and calibrate with them
um it really takes out any of that vignetting and you know some people are worried about
signal to noise ratio in the corners I've never really seen much of an issue with that
so uh if a telescope doesn't fully illuminate into the the corners like that I always take
Flats so it really doesn't matter much to me you'll see the esprit results are not rotated
quite the same as the rest I just had a little bit of trouble with the way that the Spree
rotation system works so I didn't really try to get it rotated the same uh well with these it
was easy to to rotate the camera the same way the next thing we're going to look at is the stars in
the corners and the center and I make I make these uh reports with a script here in pixinsight
under image analysis it's called aberration inspector and we'll first look at the stars in the
corners and the center with the full frame sensor and so here's the askar 103 this is again
with the 1X flattener native focal length and it looks pretty good I mean there's one
bright star out here that you can see looks a little distorted it has a line through it but
other than that I think this looks pretty decent now we can compare here to the founder Optics f ot106 maybe a little bit more Distortion you
get a little bit of like a cross star even with medium-sized Stars and up here I'm not sure if
this is uh tilt or just Distortion but we are seeing a little bit of elongation in different
places okay then here is the zwo 107 and you can see it has some like weird reflection artifacts
going on if we look back at the full stack you can see there's a couple up here on this corner
and one pretty noticeable one down here and those did show up in all of my frames I don't know
if it was something just with my telescope or or what but uh yeah I did notice these weird
reflection artifacts on full frame with the zwo I'd also say that the stars look a little bit
soft in the corners compared to these first two and then here's the esprit 100 uh I'd say
it's it's a very sharp telescope the Far Corners look pretty distorted now they do
look sort of all radiating in which would suggest that the back focus wasn't correct but
I am positive I did it according to the manual uh so but it looks like I need more back focus
based on the stars all radiating out like that however I'm not sure how good the Stars would
be in the corner with full frame on this spree anyways because if we look at them a little
bit closer you can see in addition to being elongated they're also crossed right they have
the little uh cross across each star so even if these were a little bit less elongated I'm still
not sure they would be really like acceptable for a Discerning imager and then next we're gonna
I what I did was I cropped down the full frame to the size of aps-c and I think this is going
to be illustrative because a lot of people have maybe like a 2600 and Asi 2600 and this will
show you what that would approximately look like so here's the askar 103 in the corners in the
center it looks good it looks a little boring like the Stars aren't um very colorful that might
just be because it's on the slower side at F 6.8 so there wasn't enough time for much
color to add up here is the founder Optics 106 um we definitely have a little bit more
Distortion than the askar scope here the colors to me look a little bit better though here's the zwo 107 that looks pretty good and
here's the Esprit 100 and there are you know some plate scale differences here because for
instance the zwo we were at 749 millimeter focal length and the Spree were at 550 so it's a pretty
big difference so while this may look sharper it's it's really just because there's more stars in
each box right so then they're more zoomed out so then they end up looking sharper than some of the
other results what I'm looking at here is a crop into Center and what I did was I stretched each
one just with a normal kind of arc sign stretch and then I saturated each one quite a bit because
I wanted to see color differences and see what we could see in terms of color differences and I
thought it was pretty interesting I thought that the the founder Optics and the esprit had richer
colors while the askar and the zwo had slightly more muted colors now with enough integration
and processing I'm sure that could be overcome but it's just something I noted noticed is that
the founder Optics and the esprit seem to have a little bit more natural blue uh come through well
it seemed a little bit more cut off in these two especially in the askar 103 like it just feels
like not enough blue is is coming through on that glass okay so keep in mind these are really
saturated for the amount of integration here so you are seeing a little bit of like color fringing
uh on the Spree in the founder Optics but I don't think that's anything serious in terms
of chromatic aberration I think that's just because I really saturated these
to try to see the color differences um and with these two we're just not uh seeing as
much of that color because they're slower Scopes right other than that very similar in terms of
critical sharpness here I don't really see a big uh difference maybe they'll see something
more than I am I would say that for the fact that this the Spree is at 550 millimeter focal
length it looks just as detailed as these other ones which means it's probably a pretty uh sharp
telescope that's about the only thing I can really see in terms of differences here now if you're
only interested in you know these four telescopes reviewed at their native focal lengths you could
stop watching here I'm going to go on and show some results that I got with various reducers that
were sent to me for the ask car and the zwo scope okay here is the askar 103 with the 0.6 reducer
so this brings it down to F4 and you can see there's a quite a bit of light fall off um but
the zwo F f107 with its uh 0.7 x reducer has even more dramatic light fall off like that's
that's pretty dramatic in the corners there so for a full frame reducer it's that's uh
it's not quite really Illuminating a full frame uh sensor I mean it is I mean we just
have a lot of light fall off in the corners okay and then the askar point 8X
reducer is is doing the best in terms of full frame illumination this
brings it down to F 5.6 on the ascar 103 and all three of these look quite good
in terms of the finished full-frame field and you can see this this F4 field at around 420
millimeter focal length I think we're even seeing some of the shark nebula here we're really
getting a pretty expansive view in cepheus okay next let's look at the aberration
inspector with these reducers here is the F4 with the full frame and you can see uh I might
have to zoom in a little bit since we're so far zoomed out on these Stars you can see they have
quite a bit of chromatic aberration everywhere in the field which makes it feel softer in terms
of sharpness we're getting you know just a like some magenta and blue haloing and then
away from Center up here in the corners we're getting sort of bird-like stars like a little
bit triangle with wings uh that you'd see often with uh camera lenses okay here's the uh
aberration inspector for the zwo with reducer that also has a fair amount of chromatic
aberration on the stars and the Stars again just like this one have that sort of triangular
not quite as much Wings on the on the zwo but they're they are pretty soft in the corners too
okay and then here is the askar 0.8 X reducer not nearly as much chromatic aberration here and the stars look quite a bit sharper we just
have some distortion on the on the very bright stars but the smaller stars are looking pretty
good in the corners okay and then we can look at what these would look like with an approximation
of a crop sensor I cropped it down to the same size as the 2600 MC and the Distortion is
basically gone the the stars look really nice across the field there's still a fair amount
of chromatic aberration across the field with the F4 reducer though and it mostly shows up as sort
of an extended bluish Violet Halo and then here is the zwo full frame 107 with the reducer the 0.7
x and an aps-c camera and the Stars again look a lot better here with a crop sensor we are seeing
sort of the classic split chromatic aberration here or it's green on one side and magenta on the
other side of the bright star and then finally here is the 0.8 X reducer with the askar 103 this
looks pretty flat for a crop sensor camera across the field you just have the slightest bit of
chromatic aberration but the Distortion is not really evident okay and then here are some
samples of what it looks like if you just stretch a detail and and really up the saturation and
you can see the the askar 103 with the 0.6 X reducer has a lot of violet haloing and some
magenta chromatic aberration across this sample the zwo with reducer looks a lot better in
the center um just a just a bit of chromatic aberration a little bit of the same thing going on
here but just much less so and then the askar 103 with the 0.8 X reducer looks pretty perfect don't
see much uh going on there now let's just compare to a couple of the ones we looked at before so
for instance here is now in this corner over here the ascar 103 with the just the 1X flattener
and you can see between the 0.8 X and the 1X pretty similar result um not not a huge amount
of difference I would just say that the the main thing I see different between these two is
the sharpness is better with the 1X flattener but I would say the point 8X reducer and the 1X
flattener are going to be much better if you're if you're caring about like the star quality the the
F4 is really just if you if you want to go fast um and and then fix some of this some of these
problems in post I could also see using the F4 for narrow band that would be a great use for
it for Broadband stuff I would probably go with this 0.8 X reducer most often okay and
then if you're considering the zwo 107 here is without the reducer so just uh nothing
attached just the Astro graph on its own and here is with the 0.7 x reducer and when
I look at these two I can see that the 0.7x reducer is definitely adding some chromatic
aberration to the Stars so if we zoom in here you can see what I mean they they just have a lot
more of this sort of reddish magenta uh fringing on them compared to this result you're now seeing
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