2020 Honda Civic Type R | A Dying Formula

[Music] the 2020 Civic type-r now this car has been a godsend to the enthusiast community and thankfully Honda's been listening to you since 2017 many of you have been doing many aftermarket solutions to some of the cars original deficiencies and Honda is now implemented many of those changes into the 2020 so let's get into the video [Music] now before we talk about some of the specific changes they've made in the interior I'm gonna give a quick overview what the Civic is like and really the CTR is a testament to how good the current generation of civic is unlike the Mazda 3 the Corolla or the Veloster there are not the compromises in space due to rear suspension design you can legitimately be a larger person six foot four or six foot five even and have a six foot person like myself fit behind you this is the only car in the segment that can do that and also the trunk legitimately is almost CUV big so you could use the Civic type-r as your day-to-day vehicle on top of that ergonomically this vehicle is very impressive they've now gone to physical controls for the head unit so they're easy to use everything falls right to hand and the seats in this car are some of the best I've ever been in regardless of price my only complaint with them is they don't breathe particularly well if you're in the car for a longer period of time you could end up with a sweaty back but despite that I really really do enjoy them so let's talk about some of the changes they've made is the shifter the shift knob is now a throwback to the original CTR designs so it's now been weighted to 90 grams and it is resembling something you'd find in the original say integra type-r they've also changed the shift linkage for this year now in the infotainment I will say it's not the fastest unit nor is the audio system the best and because of android auto and apple carplay most of the deficiencies have been masked and for 20/20 which is not available yet they've added a data logging software called log R and what that allows you to do is look at things like oil temps water temps oil pressures lap time g-forces all the stuff you'd normally be able to do in the after market but they thankfully have integrated it via an iOS or Android app into your head unit so with that let's head to the shop underneath the updated and refreshed Civic type-r now a few years ago Evan from Canada drove his car down to us to make a video he's a hero he is a hero and he didn't return home check that video out if you want to know an insane amount of detail about this car but there are some changes now Jack yes so the first thing a astute viewer might notice is that the grill has been changed they've opened it up so the prior generation of the pre refreshed civic type bars ran into water temp issues while on the track so they opened it up by 13% which saw a 18 degree decrease in water temps they both who had to change the front splitter design to counteract some of the increased drag that comes from opening up the grill now the people that track these cars a lot of these changes were made for them so even though they've made these changes and decreased temperatures the people that are tracking the 2020s are still running into some of the coolant temperature issues but I want to say this this is not a race car yes it's Type R yes it's got a datalogger yes it's got all the marketing but you still have to manage a car no matter what it is on a track from tires brakes cooling engine oil temperature and pressures this is no different they're just trying to make subtle improvements that they can with the architecture and car that they have there are compromises to be made to be made with anything and that's just one of them with this car correct the other thing they've made a big change to is the brake rotors they went away from a one-piece design that was cross drilled to a two-piece design with a floating rotor and now the face of the rotor does not have any cross drilling or any slots and the benefit of that is they're less prone to getting pad buildup the Crossrail rotors if all you're doing is tracking if there's enough scrubbing on them to kind of keep the surface clean when you're street driving it those holes get plugged with pad material which can lead to an uneven or pulsing brake pedal feel which can get really annoying so now you have more surface area for pad to grab on to the second part is with a floating rotor design having that hat and you see the bobbins around it there's it allows for expansion and contraction of that hat to the rotor so it's better for thermal efficiency and of course you have the reduced risk of some of the heat checking cracks or fracturing in the rotor it's also by removing those cross drilled holes that reduces heat chucking cracks as well but this is a great improvement the negative part is one it's a little bit noisier and two Honda is only selling them as one piece you can't just buy the Rings at this point so you have to buy the Hat and the ring together which I'm sure the aftermarket is gonna fix and some of that reason Honda said is because of supply issues in Italy so they may do it separately who knows but underneath there's a ton of cooling you still have brake ducts here that run to the front you have these air directors which we didn't see on our original video from the Canadian car this cools and sons' air to the back of the rotor face through the dust shield you have air curtains you have an AK adduct to cool the transmission you have an up kick here to move oil or I'm sorry air into the lower control arm bushings or the suspension to cool that and the compliance bushings were changed for this car weren't they yes the compliance bushings any lower ball joints and the reason they did that is they wanted to increase steering feel and mid corner stability okay now there's some changes in suspension also in the dampers these are ZF dampers which could be sat you can call them sacks dampers as well they are electronically controlled and the sampling rates have changed from two kilohertz to 20 kilohertz all that means is they refresh faster so the car can go from full full stiff to full soft just a little bit quicker and that what that really helps you with is on the street yes and you notice that on the street this is one of the best well the way this car looks versus the way it rides and behaves it's like two separate teams yeah it's unbelievable this is a great riding car and these subtle changes that they made have made it even better but let's take a look at the back all right before we talk about what they've changed in the rear in mark I'm gonna give a quick reminder of how they've changed this from the regular si so if you look in the front they've added some links for the front suspension to essentially eliminate torque steer and then the rear you have the traditional multi-link speaking of the rear look what they've done to this rear bumper mark [Music] you can't meet them you just know that Bank [Music] [Music] well now is a good time to talk about precision crafted performance Jack what else do we have here the bushing design for the toe links in the rear have been changed marked they're eight percent stiffer and that is the main maintain more toe in under load to keep the rear wheels pointed inward it gives you more directional stability under high performance driving and of course it does certain changes will also affect the way that the car turns in on the front and this is all a balancing act you make one slight slight tweak here you have to make it in other places and they've done a good job and I hopefully it translates the one we drive this the last thing to bring up is the exhaust system so they've done no real changes to this however they've tied it to fake engine noise based upon what drive mode you're in so if you're in plus R you have more fake engine noise than you would say in comfort where's my bag well luckily for you Jack I'm not gonna need my barf bag for this great this is the K 20 C 1 this is Honda's highest performance maxed out 2-liter turbocharged motor it makes a lot of horsepower over 300 it makes more boost at 23 pounds compared to the K 20 C 5 which is in the Accord sport and the RDX this requires premium fuel the head design is different the VTEC kicks in a lot harder and of course engine tuning is different it rubs up to about 7,000 rpms before the fuel cutoff kicks in it is vastly superior than something like we just got out of isn't it yeah this is the high point of this car other than the way the front end feels this is the best feeling 4-cylinder performance 2-liter that I've driven it feels way better than what's in the S 209 it's about on par if not a little better than what's in the Golf R and it's super reliable so far there's been a lot of work done with this from aftermarket companies now that's starting to really ramp up there's so much that can be done here but in terms of a stock motor if you understand the limitations of cooling oil temperature oil pressures of course with zero w20 all that you're gonna love this thing it's just a little sterile feeling it sounds so refined that you don't hear anything in the five product of modern cars though yep all of them are like this and that's why added fake engine noise to is to kind of augment the fact that you don't really hear anything like he used to from Honda products let's talk about the trans mark 6-speed manual has been improved like you talked about on the inside butter shift knob or heavier shift knob the linkage feels a little bit different the gearbox is finicky we talked about this in the last video this is not a car most Honda's have never been the cars where you want a ramrod shift the second gear synchros seem to be finicky on this one as well and then you have a helical style front limited-slip which helps to transform this car into a mess from a mess and there's something that is constantly putting down power it is unbelievable how well this does obviously on the dry on good tires there's minimal torque steer it's it's always working with you then against you yep so with that mark let's take this out on the road oh yeah the Civic type-r updated jack let's see how this thing just rips off the line not bad at all Jesus aside from that fake engine noise they've added here this think it tears it up yeah and you know what mark it feels consistent dear to gear that in a four-cylinder 2-liter turbocharged engine I've not felt before I have not felt this except for when you get to the higher end the much higher end of higher performance cars where they start throwing pure pain like 60,000 for a semi sports car luxury car that has a really good turn tuned turbo this is the bus and the business you have a manual transmission which makes a huge difference this feels like it wants to rev and seven thousand rpms is really good for turbo and feel forced induction and there's not much to complain about here now if you're the demographic that is buying this of course you're always gonna want more yeah well actually you're gonna want to modify it you're gonna want more power you're gonna want more of this but as a stock car that comes from an OEM this is it does everything so well so let's go over some of that this thing rides exceptionally well I know we talked about that in the shop but when you put this thing to comfort which I'm about to do it's just cruising comfort it is surprisingly comfortable it is probably better riding than a regular Civic Si or even even a specific sport hatchback I don't know if it's as soft but the body control compliant compliant for the type of driving that you're doing there's you're never gonna get anybody in here I think regardless of age when you put this in comfort and you're driving around you would never know that you're in this type of car because the outside definitely does not match up with the inside part of it the other part is when you're accelerating and turning and this is one of the big negatives of front-wheel drive platforms or cars you typically you waste the front tires the traction stability control will come in and kill all your power and this is something Hyundai has a huge problem with compared to this car you can feel the front end scrabbling around trying to get grip it's really impressive yeah the limited-slip does its job it does its job and then some the combination of the tire compound and the front suspension that's what this is all about it eliminates almost all your torque steer it does have some wheel hop of course like you would expect but it's not bad at all this is mastery of front wheel drive it you know I did I think when this started to when they were announcing this I'm like how can they do this all this power to the front wheels I'm not having all-wheel drive option why not just make a rear-wheel drive car and I think this is proof that they didn't really have to know it I don't miss the all wheel drive system Ellen STI while I'm mounting this thing around I will say after just recently getting out of the s 209 I think this is probably one of the better balanced packages in this segment this would I think if you're looking at from a speed perspective the engine is so much better than what Subaru does so much better just out of the box this would annihilate that car in a straight line but this loses some to the STI in overall connectedness but it makes up for it and that you can use it every single day getting more balanced pack this is completely usable if I had to pick a car that I had to drive every single day and you lived in the Midwest lived in the Midwest that had a great ride and still had all the performance that you needed and when you if you wanted to take this to a track you could the numbers don't lie it's incredibly fast it's just the negative part is you don't get the feedback through the seat and through the steering wheel and overall through the body as you do as much of an S with an STI my car is an outlier really is a modern-day technology but it helps it that car is like a million years oh yes yeah it is based on something that is ancient where that was more of a factor this is the new wave this is the new generation fun front-wheel drive car it holds its value and you can have the hull of a lot of fun with a jack alright let's launch it was weak [Music] final thoughts on the 2020 Civic type-r it's been updated and I'm just gonna put this out there this is the best front-wheel drive car ever created well integrity bar aside but that's a different generation of vehicle at this point it shows you what Honda is capable of doing when they put the energy and effort into it and they've refined the front wheel drive platform to a fault it makes you wish for them to do something rear-wheel drive again so let's get into the pros it's got the best manual transmission feel out of any front-wheel drive car that's a big big difference there it still feels somewhat plasticky and just the cable-operated nough super direct enjoyable to drive the clutch take-up feels great the engine this is how you design a turbocharged engine in the modern era there's so many regulations so many roadblocks to make something good despite this feeling very sewing machine you never feel like there's any tuning issues with it compared to many other manufacturers so they did a great job there the interior for a sporty car is exactly what people want and the demographics honda says it this is aimed at millennials that's who buys it and the multicultural millennials so knowing that you know that they can get away with the exterior styling so let's talk about that briefly because I didn't really say anything about it I think you're just either gonna accept this or you're not I look at it and I just can't take it but then again I'm outside of that age group that is finds this attractive anymore but you know again if you're the person that's looking for this type of car there's nothing else that exists like this so you gotta weigh the good in the bad and overall the improvements that they made from air flow braking and suspension I love driving it I really did and I think the people that love this car are gonna love it for years to come thanks for watching I'll see you next time [Music] you

Channel: savagegeese

Views: 519,576

Rating: 4.8904996 out of 5

Keywords: review, cars, fun, cargurus, trucks, carvanna, 2021, 2020, honda, Civic, type r, typer, CTR, K20C1, Problems, truth, hot hatch, cheap sports cars, tech, hyundai veloster N, manual transmission, pros, cons, VW, Golf R, Ford Focus, Focus RS, type r vs Focus, Si, ST, track, funny, comparison, best, worst, mods, affordable, mark up, hondata, ktuned, cooling

Id: 1M-QktDQqh0

Length: 18min 7sec (1087 seconds)

Published: Fri Jul 10 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Chocer24]

Love the music choice at 2:35.

On another note, I still remember when this car came out and dealer markups were crazy! I have not checked prices on these in quite some time, but I would hope that they've settled down.

It's hard to make a call on whether or not this car is "overpriced" or not, especially with COVID causing price increases. I know some will say that they would "never pay 40k for a Civic," which is valid, but I would still kill to drive one of these!

[u/ImpassiveCompassion]

For anyone who hasn't yet seen this gem:

https://youtu.be/klrLkfg6Df8

[u/atticus_grey]

It's like the car world's version of something with gaming in the name.

[u/clownpirate]

I love it. It’d be my hot hatch of choice, and I wish I could pick one up someday.

The whole hot hatch segment isn’t exactly a “mature” or “classy” one, at least in the US. It has a youthful and immature vibe to it. I love it how the CTR takes that to another boyracer fuckyou level.

It’s like choosing an Urus (CTR) over a Q8 (Golf R).

[u/somekid150]

I wish i could afford this. I went with an Si instead, still a great car, but if i win the lotto, def going for this lol

[u/Rath1on]

Having this beside my S2k would be like actual sex.

I'm not sure having 2 raceboy Hondas would lead to much actual sex but I would dig it.

[u/Dasnub]

I am an older millennial (35) and I wish I could get on board with the styling, because it sounds like Honda has really nailed everything else. Would love to drive one someday and see how it compares to my M2. I am not a brand loyalist and enjoy changing up what I drive... I just can’t see myself pull up to a client’s location in one of these at my age. I drove an 02 WRX that had some very “youthful” styling additions that were added by the previous owner, and I didn’t have a problem with it at 22. But that car cost me $11k.

*Edit: To all those who say “it doesn’t matter what people think,” I’m sorry, but it does matter sometimes, and they do care. I work for a Fortune 50 company and if I pulled up to pick up my VP from the airport in a CTR, he’d shit a brick. 90% of people don’t care, but the 10% who do? They matter. C Level executives are often over 55 years old and the simple truth is that a majority of that market thinks this car is overly flashy, “look at me,” and reflects on me as juvenile. My job is to be trustworthy, levelheaded and respectable and fair or not, this conveys something that is opposite to that.

[u/DaBombDiggidy]

While yes, the argument of "it's a dying breed" in terms of modified consumer class cars... the reason is they're simply not profitable. They're merely advertising for their other brands.

I remember talking to Ralph Gilles at carlisle mopar nationals one year. BTW he's a really great and personable dude, he even signed the inside of my hood. But a few of us got into a conversation about an SRT4 based on the dart. Basically they tried to build one but with a car that was already tight with cost to build v price it simply wasn't feasible while keeping the car competitive with mid range performance cars. It really isn't as easy as "slap a turbo on it", like most seem to think. Minor things like a different spring rate being ordered in a limited run is SO much more expensive to manufacturers.

[u/justheretolikeposts]

I’m 36 with 2 kids. Love my 2018 Civic Type R. Always been a Honda fan and also had a STi before.