10 MORE Things You Didn't Know About Shining

it's time to return to room 237 to see if we can uncover any more secrets hidden within the terrifying walls of the overlook hotel released in 1980 the shining has not only become a classic considered one of the greatest movies of all time but it's also one of the most talked about and theorised where over 40 years later people are still talking about it and interpreting it for if anything to try and figure out what an earth this movie is about and why we can't stop watching it it tells the story of the torrance family living in the empty overlook hotel in the colorado rockies for the winter season where jack torrance is the hotel's caretaker who may or may not be influenced by ghosts where he becomes an axe-wielding madman the story may seem simple enough but it still left so many questions like is this movie secretly about the moon landings being faked is it really about native american genocide just what on earth is this scene about and why does the original author stephen king dislike this movie so much so today we are going to look into 10 more things that you didn't know about the shining where this time we're going to look particularly into stephen king's prickly relationship with stanley kubrick and the movie in general as always with these 10 more episodes if you want to know why i haven't spoken about a particular well-known fact well that's probably because it's in my other shining video so let's open up the doors of the overlook one more time and check it out [Music] [Music] number 10 a nightmare led to the creation of the shining [Music] it was 1974 when stephen king and his wife tabitha checked in to stay a night at the stanley hotel which is situated in colorado in the rocky mountains they were the only guests that night and checked into room 217 that night king had an intense nightmare that his son was being chased down the hotel corridors by a demonic possessed fire hose king woke up in a panic in a pool of sweat and went on the hotel room's balcony to have a cigarette and just like that the basic structure of the shining had formed in his head of which would go on to be published in 1977 although one website claimed that stephen king had already had an idea about writing a novel about a boy with psychic abilities but he and his family weren't trapped in a hotel but rather an abandoned amusement park but king couldn't figure out how to logistically have the boy and his family trapped there however after his stay at the stanley hotel that's when he decided to make the location a hotel aka the overlook hotel the stanley hotel was built in 1909 as supposedly there have been real sightings of ghosts in the hotel including but not limited to the ghost of a golden retriever called cassie and the ghost of a lady playing a piano the sighting supposedly date all the way back to 1911 and on what occasion a woman who was staying in room 217 the same room that king had stayed in was hurled across the room supposedly and you can even pay to stay in rooms that have supposed spirits in them and when i say spirits i don't mean jack daniels but you know actual ghosts number nine stanley kubrick wanted to direct a horror movie in 1974 the stanley kubrick movie barry linden was released which although had beautiful cinematography and interesting characters was a box office disappointment with critics saying that the movie was too long slow and boring for his next movie kubrick wanted a commercial success a sure hit in the box office he also wanted to adapt a movie based on a popular novel no doubt to ride on the success of the source material kubrick in particular wanted to direct a horror movie because he was offered the chance to direct the exorcist but turned it down but that film had become hugely successful which proved to kubrick that horror was a new popular genre each day kubrick would get a pile of books on his desk of which could potentially be his next movie of which with most of them kubrick would flick for the first few pages and then throw them on a reject pile however one day one of the books on kubrick's desk was the shining and upon picking it up kubrick didn't automatically throw it on the rejected book pile he was instantly engrossed in it and it was here that kubrick found his next movie and warner brothers purchased the rights to the shining number 8 stanley kubrick's brief interactions with stephen king stephen king has made it no secret over the past 40 years that he really does not like stanley kubrick's theatrical version of the shining he seems to never be shy to express his displeasure of it despite it going on to be one of the greatest horror movies of all time in fact one of the greatest movies of all time in general there are stories that stephen king had originally written a screenplay for the shining but kubrick turned it down as it was too similar to the book in a q a though king said that he was offered to write the screenplay but turned it down as he heard stories of how difficult it was to work with stanley kubrick in the same q a king spoke of the only two interactions he had with kubrick one of those times being when kubrick called king at his home early in the morning to discuss the shining and said that he found his paranormal tale to be quite positive a confused king asked why and kubrick replied because that means that there is life beyond death which is a good thing and king replied well what about hell to which there was a pause and kubrick replied i don't believe in hell the other time was when kubrick gave king a tour of the shining set and while giving him a tour kubrick asked king for a cigarette and despite kubrick talking to king about the film king found it bizarre how kubrick smoked the cigarette to the filter and then rubbed and rubbed on the filter till it was a ball of fibres and then took a box out of his pocket to put this cigarette filter bowl into the box where king saw that the box was full of other filters that have been rolled into bowls of fiber i guess that is kind of strange i mean why is he keeping them but yeah look the two just weren't seeing eye to eye wikipedia offers another story it suggests that kubrick didn't believe in ghost stories as it implied life after death which he did not believe in which is probably why in the shining movie there is more of an ambiguity as to whether or not the hotel is haunted or if it's a tale of hallucination and isolation-induced madness unlike the book which is a straight-up ghost story it further states that kubrick was fascinated about exploring more of the dark side of the human personality and how there's an unconscious evil side to it a side that we're all not aware of so if this is true then clearly there are two different ideologies clashing here king who saw the story about ghosts haunting a family and kubrick who wanted to tell a tale about the dark side that's hidden in one's persona so really from the beginning the seeds were set in place that king and kubrick weren't going to see eye to eye on the shining it was there from the get-go number seven apples and oranges okay so going back to stephen king's problems with the shining he has lots of issues from the stanley hotel not being used as the location to jack nicholson's portrayal of jack torrance the shining movie script was written by kubrick himself along with novelist diane johnson and it seems that she wasn't too much of a fan of king's original book saying that although the book is scary and works it's not part of great literature and called it pretentious okay did any of these people get along but going back on king one theory that i want to explore is did king dislike the changes to his story or did he just dislike the movie the reason i ask this is because in the stand by me dvd there's a behind the scenes documentary which features stephen king and when talking about the differences between stan by me and his original story it's based on the body king says that books and movies are apples and oranges they are both delicious but they don't taste the same at all and he's happy if it works isn't that interesting that king can look at stan by me and say yep apples and oranges but look at the shining and say nope don't like it too different number six other casting possibilities jack nicholson was always kubrick's number one choice in playing jack torrance but other actors were considered which i mentioned in my other shining video and in case you missed that episode they were robert de niro robin williams and harrison ford stephen king's preferred choices for the part were jon voight martin sheen and michael moriarty king wasn't a fan of nicholson's performance because he didn't have any of the warmth of the character in his book the book shows a jack slowly succumbing to the supernatural forces till he becomes a madman jack in the movie is unlikable from the start with lots of hints that he's already crazy or at least on the brink of insanity as for wendy torrence nicholson suggested jessica lang but kubrick ultimately casted shelley deval feeling that she would better capture a more vulnerable persona when it came to little danny torrance kubrick wanted carrie guffey who played the little boy in close encounters of the third kind but his parents said no finding the source material to be too horrific over 5000 boys were screen tested over a six-month period until danny lloyd was cast in the role to protect lloyd kubrick had the kid believing that he was shooting a drama movie not revealing to him that it was a scary suspenseful horror movie and differences from the book aside all the main casts from the shining do an excellent job you just feel that this is a damaged family falling apart and really on the edge number five filming the shining was a nightmare [Music] most of the shining was filmed at elstree studios in england in fact the overlook hotel set was the largest set created at the studio for its time due to kubrick's perfectionism and having an eye of what he wants the shoot for the shining lasted over a year the working days were long and tiring thanks to kubrick's constant demands of retakes the cast would have to do retake after retake after retake to the point where they were physically exhausted and on the verge of collapse and in some cases on the verge of breakdowns it is said that the scene where wendy aka shelley duvall confronts jack with the bat she was in a real emotional state and not necessarily acting mainly due to the amount of retakes that she had to do for that scene it got to the stage where she was just so emotionally and physically exhausted the shining behind the scenes documentary which was filmed by kubrick's daughter showed that kubrick was pretty much a bully to shelly duvall always talking down to her and treating her like utter crap and being genuinely quite nasty to her it's been suggested that kubrick was actually quite a nice guy in real life and that he was probably doing this to get deval into the skin of her character who was someone who was being bullied by a spouse and was in an emotional state the script was constantly changing daily so much so jack nicholson eventually never bothered to learn his lines as he knew that they would eventually be changed however in the scene where he chops the door with an axe and yells here's johnny he actually ad-libbed that line and it was a line from the johnny carson show joe turkle who played lloyd the barman said that for that scene at the bar which lasts mere minutes on screen took so many takes that by the end of filming he was drenched in sweat as shooting that scene had started at 9 00 am and lasted till 10 30 pm and there are reports that the filming and bad treatment was so intense for shelley duvall she was quite ill for a while after filming hey i love stanley kubrick at all but man if he was alive now and i was an actor i would not want to make a movie with him i'll watch his movies but just won't star in them number four then the set burnt down [Music] so with filming being as tough as it was it would have seemed like a relief when filming was coming to an end except for one thing a major fire destroyed two of the shining sets one of them being the lounge room this fire prolonged the production even more and what's even more mysterious is that there was never an explanation as to how the fire was started there's an interesting photo of stanley kubrick among the wreckage laughing his ass off it's been speculated that this is because of the irony that in the original shining book the overlook hotel burned to the ground other interesting snippets involved in the production include the infamous river of blood coming out of the elevator which is one of the movie's most iconic scenes this shot was actually filmed using a miniature model and took about a year to get the shot right kubrick wanted to use the infamous shot in the shinings trailer but the mpaa were against so much blood being used in a trailer till kubrick told them that it wasn't blood but rusty water so they were like oh that's okay then another infamous scene is where jack chops his way through a door with an axe this scene was originally shot with a fake prop door but when kubrick found out that jack nicholson used to be a firefighter he let the actor go at it with a real door i love this shot of jack nicholson getting into character with the axe with this nervous member of the crew is like nah i'm getting out of here for the scene where jack torrance enters the gold room it looks like jack has just entered a roaring party from the 1920s but in actual fact the scene would have been quite silent while filming as the extras in the party scene were told not to speak but instead mime dialogue to each other for establishing shots of the torrences driving to the overlook hotel some members of the camera crew doubled for the torrance family as you can see here i don't know why but this photo just cracks me up as for the infamous end scene where we see a picture of jack in a 1921 overlook ball originally stanley kubrick was going to create an original photo with jack nicholson and some extras dressed up in 1920s attire but to be more authentic kubrick found an actual photo from 1923 and just photoshopped jack nicholson into it and here's the guy in the original photo that jack nicholson replaced and have you noticed jack's tie that he wears in the job interview if you look closely it's the overlooks hedge maze i found that out on a meme the stuart ullman character explains that the overlooks holiday season runs from may 15th to october 30th that means the day the torrance has arrived to stay at the hotel was in actual fact halloween now if that wasn't a creepy omen i don't know what is number three unused posters [Music] so there are two main posters that were used to promote the shining this one which shows jack nicholson's face poking his head through the hole in the door with wendy looking on in fear and this other all-yellow one which shows a shadowy terrified face in the word the presumably this is danny torrance's face but i've heard some theories that it more resembles the star child seen at the end of another kubrick movie 2001 a space odyssey however there are some poster designs that weren't used and some are really quite surreal like this giant hand coming out of the snow with danny torrance's tricycle laying in the snow right in the center of the hand another one which shows the torrance family entering the hedge maze and this one which shows a giant eye which itself is a maze so it seems that there was an idea to advertise that the shining is going to be like exploring a maze a mind puzzle a cinematic mystery without any answers and that's kind of what the shining is it's a movie that puts you in a maze aka the movie and leaves you the viewer to figure your way around the place as you have to work your way through this maze and rely on your own interpretation number two deleted scenes [Music] so there are several deleted scenes that have come to light in recent years through production stills one of these scenes include a sequence where jack torrance discovers the scrapbook of the overlook's history which mysteriously turns up on his desk where he decides to use the overlook's grim history as the basis for his book giving jack's wardrobe in the still the scene probably was to take place after throwing the ball in the lounge another deleted scene would have seen wendy see the ghostly blood-stained image of mrs grady standing behind her through a mirror and when wendy turns around the glass in the mirror shatters shelley deval claims that this was a scary scene but people may not have known who the lady was which is probably why it was scrapped and here is a prop head of mrs grady which was used for that scene the most infamous of the deleted scenes is an alternative ending where olmen visits wendy and dany at a hospital where dany is playing snakes and ladders with the hospital's receptionist almond visits wendy in her room and tells her that the police couldn't find jack's body and offers her and dany to stay in his suite in los angeles on his way out ullman tosses dany the tennis ball which jack was seen throwing earlier in the movie which also may or may not have been the ball that mysteriously rolled up to dany enticing him to room 237 to me this suggests that the overlook is inescapable and will always be a part of dany or it could also suggest that olmen is in cahoots with whatever was going on at the overlook this scene was in the original cut of the movie but after the first screening kubrick wisely chose to take it out leaving the ending we have which is much more mysterious leading more to viewer interpretation also if i saw the shining for the first time and it's explained that jack's body is missing and we then see jack in the photo my mind will be like oh okay so jack has left this realm to go and live in the overlooks past it's a very definitive resolution as opposed to the ending we got which is more mysterious and so before we get to number one here is a quick look into my shining memorabilia [Music] first up we have the shining rug and i love it nothing else to say it's awesome here is a big chunky leather-bound stephen king book which features the shining along with carrie and salem's lot king's first three novels and i love the artwork on this book and its general presentation but man this thing is heavy here is some action figures of the grady twins this is a toons terror collection which released cartoonish figures of horror movie icons like freddy and jason and pennywise and so is something of a novelty collection here is my pop vinyl action figure of jack torrance when he goes all acts happy i don't usually collect these pop vinyl figures as i think they kind of look hideous and never really understood the craze but i got this one as i do love the shining and i do like this figure's box art presentation now here is a shining board game nope i've never actually played it before i got it pretty much for the novelty of having a shining board game who knows maybe sometime i'll have a visitor and we'll roll the dice and i'll work my way around the overlook hotel in board game format here is my dvd of the shining this was part of a stanley kubrick collection which came out in the late 90s and early 2000s this is the european cut so unlike the us cut this one actually has a lot of missing scenes here is my dvd of the documentary room 237 where fans share their crazy conspiracy theories connected with the shining okay this is an interesting item some of the ideas in this documentary are quite interesting and fascinating but some are just insane and really far out there the main reason i enjoy this movie is just seeing how much the shining has so many determined fans who are so dedicated to deciphering the movie which to me is interesting but that doesn't mean i necessarily believe all the theories here is my american vhs of the shining hey get back in there pesky videotape trying to get out this is actually the first vhs edition of the shining and as always you can tell it's american because it has one of those thin cardboard cases but this one is actually in pretty good condition all things considering here is a greek vhs release of the shining and is it just me or does the warner brothers logo on the cover just look a little off yeah that's not quite right is it yeah i also collect international vhs releases too from all over the world now i don't actually speak greek but here is the back cover but if someone can speak greek and wants to read the back cover to know what it actually says just hit pause here is a mug set of the shining it features a shining mug and socks the mug features the grady twins and the word red rum and the socks feature the shining logo and redrum again so whoever put this together was a fan of the whole red rom thing i actually think the packaging looks better than the actual contents so i'm gonna keep it in a box and it just sits on a shelf on display here is a recent mad magazine which parodies the grady twins okay i'm noticing a lot of this merch is actually focusing on the grady twins which is weird because you think a lot of the merchandise would actually be focusing on jack i basically got this magazine because it is a parody of the shining and i like the cover i also love how the story inside is called the shiner classic mad magazine and as you would expect it's basically the shining getting the mad magazine treatment so yeah the mad magazine parody of the shining okay here is my number one favorite item in the collection the key ring to room 237 looking just how it did in the movie yeah i know that this is a small and minor thing and some may find it insignificant but yeah i just love it and it feels like i have a part of the movie in my hand and yes who would have thought that something as simple and easy as a key ring would be the number one thing in my shining collection so with that let's finish this countdown number one the shining was originally hated i love the shining you love the shining we all love the shining still over 40 years later this movie never stops being full of surprises with more clues and interpretations constantly being discovered and theorized yes without a doubt the shining is one of the most talked about movies of all time so much so an entire documentary was produced which was dedicated to fan fairies of the shining however that wasn't originally the case for a start the shining opened up the same weekend as the empire strikes back which instantly would have put it at a disadvantage and it was only released on 10 screens for its opening weekend however during its run in theaters it did churn out some profit making 47 million dollars on its 19 million dollar budget but the reviews weren't so generous some felt that it didn't capture the true scares of stephen king's book it was felt that the movie was too slow and boring and was not like conventional horror movies of the time i mean keep in mind the shining came out the same year as friday the 13th which was full of blood and graphic scenes of people getting killed the shining only has one murder scene which is seen at the very end other terms critics used to describe the movie was a crashing disappointment and hard to connect with any of the characters with claims that the movie is too focused on looking good than it is actually being scary it was one of a few kubrick movies not to be nominated for an oscar or bafta and to add insult to injury it was nominated for two razzies the worst director and worst actress for shelley duvall so it seemed that people weren't interested in the shining and shunned it but then something remarkable happened over the years people went back and started watching it again and realized that the movie is a masterpiece with something to say where over the years its popularity has increasingly taken off to the point where it's a film that everyone knows and loves with it being a hallmark of cinema and i'll admit it the first time i saw the shining i didn't like it either i found it kind of pointless and that the story had no explanation as to what was going on and by the end of the movie i thought oh is that it but like so many others i've gone back to it and been more and more intrigued by it to the point where it's become one of my favorite movies ever and a movie that i always enjoy discussing and theorizing in conversations with other movie fanatics i can't explain it but there's a mysterious allure about the shining that keeps pulling me back and i'm glad that i have this movie in my life for over 40 years now people have been trying to solve the puzzles of the shining and in a way i hope that we never get definitive answers as searching and trying to find the answers and coming up with theories and listening to other people's theories is more exciting than being told what exactly is going on it goes back to that old saying the thrill is in the chase never the capture [Music] so who is the true genius of the shining stephen king or stanley kubrick well they both are i equally love them both and believe that they are both creative geniuses but there are two creative clashes going on king who saw the shining as being more spiritual and supernatural and kubrick who saw it as being more symbolic and psychological and maybe we needed that clash maybe this creative struggle of two different ideas led to the shining being the movie the way that it is and if that's the case i'm glad that that conflict happened maybe the creepiness of king's ghosts and kubrick's psychological puzzles meshing together is what led to the cinematic masterpiece that is the shining theatrical movie anyway i'm minty and all work and no play makes minty a dull boy see ya [Music] [Music] you

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Published: Fri Mar 04 2022