⭐"Tony Iommi Explains Why John Bonham Was Sacked from Multiple Bands Before Joining Led Zeppelin"🥁

[Music] [Music] with one of the true pioneers of the guitar it's the one and only tony iomie [Music] tony aiomi welcome welcome back to planet rock thank you it's absolutely wonderful to to have you back on planet rock because there are very few people that we talk to on this station that have had such an influence on let's face it the very foundations that the station is built on i'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of kids literally sat in bedrooms now thinking if only i could play like tony naomi as you know that gets passed on from generation to generation how long did it take you though to sort of become the teenager sitting in his bedroom actually thinking i could make this work i could be you know maybe i could be a guitarist i'm still trying actually um but now i i i don't remember how long it took me but i just used to sit in the bedroom a lot and uh someone learned to play it i think the first gig i ever did was with the piano and drums and the pub and i wasn't old enough to be fair to be in the pub but uh but they asked me if i'd play with them for this night and i idea what i was doing but somehow i got away with it i mean it must have been a fairly exciting well i guess i'm sort of projecting my own ideas on it here but to me that period in the sort of mid 60s where especially in the midlands you know in birmingham there just seems to have been so many bands like yourselves kind of just you know the roots of them kind of just coming together people feeling their way around you know you had a robert plant over on one side and you know you mentioned bev bevan did it feel exciting at the time or you know i did it feel like there was something beginning yeah i mean it was a it was a a good little scene in birmingham at the time there was as you say uh the move and um and the band of joy which is robert plants or tibetan and john bonham and i used to see john regularly every few weeks because we used to do a an alternate week at this i don't i don't even know what to call it it was just a venue really a small venue and every other week in between there was another band and quite often enough john bonham was in the band that was on because he'd it lasted about a week and then they'd fire him because it's too loud we turn up again and he'd be in another banner gladial i'm just going to go back to the beginnings of sabbath it took a few years didn't it after you you started playing with bill and then was it aussie who put a an ad in somewhere or aussie zig looking looking for gig was it yeah we went to the music shop looking for a singer and we saw this advert aussie zigg requires gig and i said to bill i said well i said i know an aussie from schools if he can't be him because i never knew he even sang or anything so sure enough we go around to aussies and his mum answered the door and said john it's for you and he come walking up the hall and i saw him always i said to bill forget it i know him because i didn't know for a minute though as he could sing i just thought it was a bit of a joke you know by him putting it in so basically we talk to us if a bit and then left and people said what was wrong i said well i used to he was at the same school as me and as far as i know i'd never heard of him singing i said so i think it was a bit of a wind-up and then a few days later aussie came round with giza to my house looking for a drummer bill was there at the time and bills i thought bill was a drummer so basically we said okay let's have a go and and that's what we did we decided to have a go and see what happened and it was horrendous it was such a racket and we had this gig bill and i got got some of the gigs because from where we were up in north we were quite big with that plan they were quite well known so we i talked to the promoter who was up there and she it was a woman and she said yes okay well we'll give you a go so i said to the others we can get some gigs up there so we did off we go in the van up there and uh she says you are playing some pop songs like oh yeah yeah i mean we weren't we were doing sort of 12 blues really but he really come on i was he really got and giza come on great playing both because he he'd never played bass before and he was a guitar player really you were playing covers how long did it take you before you thought hang on a minute we can write better than this we well we were doing these blues clubs and um and there was a time when i we we played with jess rotol and at the time they were mick abrams was leaving or they were firing him it was a bit of a commotion on stage passing they were passing notes to each other abuse i think anyway after the show they asked if i'd be interested in joining them i would hey i'm already in the back said i know but would you be interested in joining jethro hotel oh my god i don't know i've got to talk to my band so on the way i must said to the the band i said look you know they've asked me if i'd be interested in joining them they said oh you should go for it oh no thanks very much trying to get rid of me then now um so anyway that's that's sort of where that started and and uh i did some filming with jethro till but it it really wasn't for me at that time didn't you do the rock and roll circus with them i did the rock and roll circus yeah the stones rock and roll circles which for me was brilliant because i'd come from for my you know from abandoned to suddenly meeting every idol you could probably you know john lennon was in the film and uh the who taj mahal and us with jethro tell it was god it was just another world anyway the guy that came down with me as well the one of the brody chaps we had uh we were having lunch we had a break in the movie but it was chicken and stuff you know and uh and john lennon had a plate of somebody gave john and a plate to chicken because he was a vegan and so he gave it to the guy it works for me and he he was he was star so he went oh i've got john lennon's chicken it must have been an amazing sort of not an epiphany that maybe that's a too strong a word but once you realize that like once you've been with jessica o'toole and thought ah okay they kind of have a worth a work ethic it did it they taught me a lot because i saw how they worked and i took that back to abandon and said this is what we need to do and they they must have thought i was mad but they did it and they you know i mean giza never saw the lie to date or 12 o'clock normally but i said no we're gonna rehearse at nine o'clock so i'll go around to his ass pick him up and we'll just go to the boot anyway we get down to rehearsal and it it started working and we started doing it as a a serious thing you know we wanted to so if we wanted and and because i'd had the chance of being with jeff rotell and didn't do it our guys were even more grateful of it all and it just sort of worked the influence that that first album has had on an entire genre it can't be underestimated really i mean that was largely down to you and what you did with the guitar and the way you tuned it i don't want to to dwell on your accident but that was kind of why you had to re-tune the guitar wasn't it absolutely as soon as i i had my accident that changed my life completely because i was told by so many doctors and i wouldn't be able to play again just forget about it you know and like it was nothing and i said well i really want to do well you have to take up another job but i really wanted to do it and i thought there's got to be a way i can learn to play you know to carry on and one of the chaps from when i had my accident uh brought me a record round of django reinhardt put it on and i yeah it's it's really great and then he told me the story of jamil run up where he plays with just two fingers and it really sort of inspired me to to carry on so i started making my own tips so i made my own out of a very liquid bottle and melted it down and made it into a ball and sat there with a soldering iron hot sauce and i'm making a hole in it that fit the finger and then would sit there for how long weeks rubbing it down to shape like a finger and it being plastic of course she would slip off the string so i had to find the material that would grip the string which turned out after i tried various things to be a leather from one of my old jackets and it worked and funny enough i've still got bits of leather from that jacket all them years ago wow yeah yeah what was a complete jacket little little squares taken out so and it worked you know and it was it had done the job so then i had to just learn to play with them which wasn't easy i mean it was because you couldn't feel anything and it was a big lump on you and your finger the mechanisms of how that worked with your fingers had an effect on on how on basically how you had to sort out the guitar to make it comfortable to play absolutely i had to rethink the whole thing with the guitar and i'd strip the guitar down and follow the flex down make it as most playable for me who most of the guitar players would pick it up and go that's horrible but i had to make it work for me i wanted to come up with an idea for the strings and you couldn't go and buy a light gauge set of strings then in them days they didn't have them so i made my own setup and i used banjo strings as the first strings and then dropped it down the stage so that the strings would be a lot more comfortable for me it didn't hurt my fingers as much so it was a whole process of going through from start to finish changing the guitar and of course bill's drumming that is only bill oz's voice that is only aussie and and geez is based and gives us lyrics as well that are only giza all that came together perfectly and if it hadn't it wouldn't be black sabbath no absolutely everybody just it just gelled you know with the band and what ozzie was singing and what keys was playing as i said guys had never played bass before and became like one of the best bass players around and and i was a you know he got a unique voice and it all just worked and bill also had an unorthodox style of playing bill never used a full set of sticks because he in the days when before sabbath when we used to do gigs with the band before bill couldn't afford to have drumsticks so he'd they'd be abandoned with us or we'd we'd be on with another band and billy white and all the that broken the stick and he'd go and get the the half of the stick that they'd broken which they'd thrown away and bill learned to play with these half sticks so it was sort of fascinating really and it took him years before he ever got around to be able to prop a proper full stick i think i'm writing the same i'm not sure if it was the first one but the second sabbath album paranoid was it that one that was recorded in in a 12-hour session just straight through or was it the first one well both of them were recorded very quick uh first album was recorded in one day and then mix the next day paranoid took a little longer it probably took a couple of days three days or something like that but that was that was very quick as well and also in paranoid we didn't have enough songs to do the album so we're in the studio and the producer who we had down he was never done i don't think he'd ever produced before but he was we were like the first act he'd done he said you've got these songs here which are great he said but you haven't got enough songs for the album and here we are in the studio to record the album i said i don't know he said well can you come up with another one i said what now he said well yeah we're only in there for a day or so in the studio so um everybody got out for lunch the the rest of the guy so i stayed in the studio and came up with paranoid the roof and uh waited for him to come back when i said well we need another song and i went oh no i said yeah well i've got this idea and it's apparently played them and yeah and we we've done it as fast as we put it down we recorded it and and that was it but basically paranoid was a filler it was it was done as a filler we weren't you know we'd never done a three-minute sum before so it was just to fill in it's amazing what that fact did again though it is it's just like it's like that funny aligning of the planets it wasn't what it was meant to be but what it became is what it should have been the only thing in them days for us was with paranoid was it attracted a different audience to what we were used to and we started getting like screaming girls and things which was really unusual for us to have it at a gig and we were doing top of the pops and stuff like that which we don't cover the problem we said that's it we're never going to do that again we're not a pop land and whatever else and and we didn't until later to we didn't never say die the thing was with paranoid that shows us so he was trapped in a different audience to what we were expecting and people were coming to hear the band play who didn't know us that only had paranoid and sent us on tv and through oh we'll go and see them of course then the dear iron man and all the rest are so oh my god what's all this [Music] black sabbath and the unmistakable iron man was it volume four you produced that one didn't that was the first one you produced so you kind of grew in terms of knowing what how you wanted it all to sound rather than just how you wanted to play it well that was it i mean we decided to produce the stuff ourselves because only you know your sound you know unless you've worked with anybody from start to finish um so we wanted to do it ourselves because the amount of times you're telling the engineer no it's i want it to sound like this i want to sound like that so you might as well be in there anyway so that's how it sort of worked and i didn't particularly want to be in there all night and day like i ended up being but that's how it was i did enjoy it at a point until my first marriage fell quickly daniel because i'm in the studio all the time and working and whatever else you know i mean you guys really hurtled through the 70s with some incredible albums but you also hurtled through the 70s you know sort of a different pace because i mean you had a good time and and went to america and then it all got a bit stressful um and of course i mean we all know the story of how it ended up with because well by 1980 aussie wasn't there so you know you you experienced some serious serious highs um career-wise and personally but also some some serious lows as well so you kind of really learned how to how to be a rock star in the 70s didn't you i suppose you did but you never looked on yourself as that really we we were never class ourselves as rock stars you know we were in it because we loved what we did and and we enjoyed what we did it weren't to go out and get sort of we could have the latest air do and all this business it was uh we we really wanted to play our music which we we were proud of you know with the introduction of ronnie on vocals sabbath sounded different you know and it had to change in some way and of course then you also you had tony martin you had ian gillen and then ozzy came back around again um yeah it's a weird story of the sabbath story it's really the amount of times we've had like with aussie he left then he came back with ronnie he left came back tony martin left came back bill left came back giza left for a little bit came back it's been a field funny old rude round you know over the over the years but you know from aussie to dear when we had dear we realized that we had to really work hard at it again which was great and what we wanted to do after aussie was because we could we knew we could go out and do stadiums and work you know big venues anyway with us and it sort of got a bit sort of we're used to it and so when it came that that we that ozzy went and we had to bring another singer in it it was again almost exciting but frightening you know because we had to then get out and prove ourselves again her bringing ronnie in was uh was a different move altogether the songs became a different sound that because it would the way we were writing for ozzy we were writing different with ronnie and that sort of worked and it was it was it was good for us i think you know and good for aussie as well because he already sold her career then he went off to do you know great things you know as a musician you know having learned to play with with other with other singers you've also collaborated outside of sabbath as well i mean um you know i'm going to skip forward quite a lot here you know sort of from 1980 you know all the way up to 2000 but that solo album that you did was incredible i mean you know some of the tracks on there you know just as your sabbath work does still stand up today i mean you collaborated with with you know with friends like glenn hughes but you also collaborated with younger musicians like skin from from from skunk nancy yeah and she was great skin was a fantastic voice it was exciting and a bit daring for me really to be because i didn't know i'd never really met some of them and uh but it it sort of worked using the you know dave grohl and it was great and dave was really enthusiastic because he but it was a bit awkward as well because the track dave sang on dave said can i play drums i said well i've already got a drummer on it which was the drummer from soundgarden and um they said well i'd like to play drums one oh dear now so i left it to the producer i said dave wants to play drums on it so anyway dave ended up playing drums on it as well but it was it was a good good experience that working with different people talking about john bonham earlier on um and the fact that you sort of grew up in the in a similar musical environment as him he became one of your really good friends in fact such a good friend he was your best man wasn't he i know that's serious i see why me murray's went daniel um yeah he was my best man and we used to go out to clubs you know a lot really together and uh he was another story i mean god my stag night we went out and in birmingham to different clubs and the last club we ended up with we was like almost closing time nearly you know 1 30 in the morning and we walked in and john bonham said to the barman 12 bottles of champagne on the bar and he said open them all and poured them out 12 12 of them and i thought it was treating everybody in the club and i was like what you did he said that's for you i said i i'm not going to drink that he said come on you've got to drink it he says you're getting made to me i said no i said i've got a i'm not going to turn up if i drink that so i had one glass and he just went down the line drinking them and he was paralytic i had to take him home at the end of the night we had the driver take him home and then we got to his house and his wife would let him in because he was drunk and it was such an ordeal and pressing the gate she's not coming in and eventually she opened the gates and we got in and she opened the front door she said he's not coming upstairs i said paz i'm getting made in the morning he's got to be there she said um well he could sleep downstairs so i put him up against the radiator and i said you're not going to turn up tomorrow are you and he stuck his stun up with a lot yeah you know and i said you're all right then he would and i left him and sure enough the next morning bloody he i lived about 30 30 miles from him and he turned up at my house before i even got up the next morning i couldn't believe it he was up and ready to go his suit on and top hat and sold everything it's unbelievable well i mean that that just goes to show you know they don't make them like that anymore don't make them like that anymore in terms of um brian may i know you guys have been really good friends for a long time and i've heard both of you say oh yeah we should do something together one day as far as i know you haven't is that no i mean brian and i have played together a lot on different things projects and of course i played with queen at the wembley thing was that at freddy's and that was 1992. yeah uh and we have threatened for years that we're going to do something together but we've never got around to it at the moment did it the last time we talked about it was uh brian came over to my house just before the pandemic and i played him some stuff and he went oh great great great he said you should just release it like that i said no it's just don't just demo ideas you know and uh that was the last time we spoke about doing something together and then of course the pandemic happened and everything's gone went pear-shaped and he was supposed to be touring so they had to cancel that i was doing other stuff i had to cancel that so it got a bit sort of went a bit out the window really but you were a queen fan were you in the 70s yeah i liked their first album when i first heard the first one that was great and uh and the guitar playing was and he and cause brian had got an instant sound you know which is which is very rare something to have their own sound and come up with you can recognize him straight away and he he's one of them guitar players who you could recognize straight away you hear that first chord or first notes it's him you know great player and uh we hooked up a friendship in the 70s early 70s and um he used to come around to the studio when i was doing stuff and i'd go around when he was doing stuff you know freddie'd be in the studio and then leave and he phoned me up for i'd phone him and he'd it so i'm in the studio do you want to come around and i'd pop around and sit there with him and um that's how we sort of hooked up a long time term friendship the sabbath fans will kill me if i don't ask you tony but is that really it is that really it for sabbath yeah doesn't you can never say never can you we've known in this band you can never say that's never gonna be happen again because every time we said that it has but we never thought we'd get back with ozzy from the early days never thought we'd get back with dio again we did we never thought we'd have ian gillan in the band but we did so you know it's it's it's always been a you just can't say it's never going to happen because it felt very emotional that that that last show i mean obviously i mean i i wasn't there but just just watching it i think because sabbath never does really end it felt quite emotional because it was like well this can't actually be it but you guys all still talk right yeah yeah yeah i know it was it was emotional the last year because we'd done it so long together and it just felt pretty weird really but um it was basically my fault to end it because of the touring the problem is in a band of this size you can't just go and do a week of gigs and you know you've got to do a world tour of 18 months and um when you do that you have to take that on and when it was first mentioned do it you know the bed going out until yeah great brilliant 18 months through oh fantastic but when you get into a year of it you're getting tired and um and but you have to take it on that one because you got all the crew to keep alive and you know everybody's got a job so you can't do one week and then have a month off and do another week because you won't get the crew they want to have a job so we've done it for that number and done the world tour and the world tour again and then it was getting sort of uh tiring even though we traveled that we had our own plane we traveled the best hotels everything was perfect but you still get tired and we had a base we'd have a base in new york when we played in that area so we'd have the plane out flying so you get in at three o'clock in the morning and then get trying to get to bed and sleep so it was a regular thing like this and uh as i said we tried to make it as comfortable as possible you couldn't go any any easier comfortable but it still was tired and the late nights and stuff so when i was talking to my doctors they said you know you shouldn't really be doing to that extent of flying it's not because i got blood cancer it wasn't good for me to be doing that much flying i talked to the guys i said you know it's probably the time to call it a day now sort of thing for now of that extensive touring and so that's really what we did but the stipulation was we had to end up in birmingham because that's where we started i think for me as a sabbath fan and for you know for the millions of sabbath fans that are listening maybe there's a glimmer of hope that one day we might get another one off but we won't hold you to it because we've got they do [Laughter] we don't we haven't stopped it it's just the major touring that has has come to a stop you know i wouldn't want to do 18 months tours again uh but that doesn't say we wouldn't do any one-off stuff well on that cliffhanger we can maybe save it for next time but tony it's been absolutely wonderful to to talk to you and to catch up and to have you back on planet rock again because you know it's really all your fault thanks liz [Applause] [Music] thank you for tuning in and please hit that like button it's appreciated make sure that you subscribe for more rock related content [Music]

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Length: 27min 1sec (1621 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 15 2021