MASTERS OF THE GAME PODCAST AND SHOW. ALL RIGHT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS WEEK YOU HAVE PRESIDENT BIDEN TALKING ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE FIGHT AGAINST TYRANNY, BOTH 80 YEARS AGO AND TODAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP TALKING ABOUT HOW REVENGE IS JUSTIFIED. TALK TO US ABOUT WHERE THESE TWO CAMPAIGNS ARE, AND WHERE THEY APPEAR TO BE HEADED. >> TYRANNY OF THE PAST AND TYRANNY OF THE PRESIDENT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHERE ARE THEY HEADING? SOMETIMES I HONESTLY LOOK AT THESE TWO THINGS AND I THINK WILL THE SELECTION SIMPLY COME DOWN TO WILL TRUMP HAVE MORE DISSOLUTION PEOPLE THAT WILL SHOW UP OR WILL BIDEN HAVE MORE DISSOLUTION PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT SHOW UP? AND THAT SCARES ME BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE FOR THOSE OF US DOING THE WORK IN INDUSTRIES EVERY DAY, DEFENDING PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS, IF TRUMP WINS AGAIN, WHAT WE ARE FACING IS NO DISSENT. AND WITH NO DISSENT WE CANNOT CHALLENGE ANY OF IT. >> BUT IF HE WINS AGAIN, THERE IS NO SURPRISES ABOUT WHO DONALD TRUMP IS. IN 2016 YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHO HE IS. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WERE NO, NO, YOU DON'T REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE IN FOR. AMERICA KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE IN FOR. YOU SAY NO. >> THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DELUSION. YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE TRUMP ARROW WAS GREAT, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS GREAT AS IF COVID JUST DID NOT HAPPEN. AS IF THERE IS SOME REASON THAT THE LAST TWO YEARS JUST DON'T COUNT. >> I DON'T REMEMBER COVID BUT I DEFINITELY REMEMBER INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK. >> INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK WAS EVERY WEEK. I FEEL LIKE TRUMP IS THE MOST SELFISH PERSON IN THE WORLD, AND EVERYTHING, DOWN TO HOW IT REVOLVES AROUND ME PERSONALLY. EVERY POLITICAL ISSUE COMES BACK TO ME, MYSELF. THIS REPORTER ASKED HIM, KATIE FROM ALABAMA WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD? AND HE SAID I DO VERY WELL WITH THE EVANGELICALS. THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKED. AND BIDEN, TO ME, SEEMS VERY OUTWARD. HE IS THINKING ABOUT OTHERS, HOW CAN I HELP OTHER PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT THE KEY MOMENT OF HIS LIFE, LOSING A MAJOR CHUNK OF HIS FAMILY IN ONE HORRIFIC MOMENT, AS A RELATIVELY YOUNG MAN. WHO LEARNED EMPATHY, AND TO THINK ABOUT OTHERS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF FAMILY. AND THIS OTHER PERSON, WHO EVERY BAD CHARACTERISTIC WE DON'T WANT OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE, HE HAS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT IS THE QUESTION BEING ASKED, AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ANSWER AS INSTRUCTED WITH THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, I BELIEVE, SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO. WHICH IS FRAMING THIS BEYOND EVEN NEEDING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEWS DAY-TO-DAY. AND MORE A CHOICE BETWEEN EXTREMISM AND NOT. I JUST WONDER WHY WE ARE NOT GENERALLY DESCRIBING TRUMP MORE AS AN EXTREMIST. LET'S NOT FORGET, ABOUT THE ISSUES. PEOPLE ON THE GROUND DOING GOOD WORK. WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE ARE RESPECTING OUT OF THIS, DO YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO FEELS LIKE THEY ARE ATTACKING EVERY INSTITUTION? DO WE NEED TO RECITE THE LISTENING OF FELONS AND FELONIES? LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT NOT BEING THAT. >> HERE IS POSSIBLY WHY I THINK THIS IS PLAYING OUT. BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH THEY SHOULDN'T BE, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS FOCUSING VOTERS ON DEMOCRACY. AND ON FREEDOM. AND THESE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT THINGS, BUT SOMEHOW THEY GET VIEWED AS KIND OF LOFTY IDEALS, AND TRUMP GOES STRAIGHT TO THE GUT AND GRIEVANCE. >> BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO NOT HAVE IT. I LIVED IN RUSSIA FOR SIX YEARS. THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND DEMOCRACY. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO NOT BE, SORT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF RANDOMLY BEING ARRESTED AND OTHERWISE HAVING TO APPEAL. BUT CAN I JUST GO BACK? DID ALL THAT STUFF IN THE MONTAGE HAPPENED JUST THIS WEEK? AND THERE ARE 151 DAYS, WHICH MEANS 21 WEEKS? I WONDER IF I HAVE THE STAMINA TO MAKE IT TO THIS, IF THIS IS JUST ONE WEEKS WORTH OF STUFF. I REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A RATHER DRAMATIC, CAUSTIC, AND I THINK THAT BIDEN IS GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY BRING HOME WHAT IS THE ABSENCE OF DEMOCRACY, WHICH IS A VERY TOUGH THING, WHEREAS TRUMP HAS ONLY TO SELL, LOOK, WE CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS AND EVERYTHING CAN BE GREAT, AND RULE OF LAW IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT THING THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. >> TRUMP IS A GREAT SALESMAN FOR HIS DISEASED IDEAS. BIDEN HAS NOT YET SHOWN HIMSELF TO BE A GREAT SALESMAN OF HIS IDEAS, OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. AND THERE IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AND REAL AND HONEST CRITIQUE OF BIDEN FROM THE LEFT. THAT HE HAS NOT DONE ENOUGH ON WHAT IS GOING ON IN GAZA. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE DEMOCRATS OTHERWISE, WHO WILL NOT SUPPORT HIM BECAUSE OF THAT. >> I HEAR YOU. WHAT IS THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THAT VOTER ABOUT WHAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO WITH THE SITUATION IN GAZA? WAS IT NOT NIKKI HALEY A FEW WEEKS AGO, WHEN SHE WENT OVER THERE AND SAID FINISH THE JOB? >> YOU KNOW, WHAT LIZ SAID ABOUT THE MARGINS IS IMPORTANT. DON'T THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, THE IMAGINARY HYPOTHETICAL VOTER. I DON'T THINK THAT PERSON REALLY EXISTS. THERE ARE A COUPLE, BUT NOT MANY. >> THERE ARE A LOT. >> KNOW, THE ELECTION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT CAN TRUMP GET PEOPLE WHO CAN SAY IS EITHER TRUMP OR I STAY HOME. AND CAN BIDEN GET PEOPLE WHO SAY IT IS EITHER BIDEN OR I GO HOME. THE ELECTION IS GOING TO BE WON ON THOSE MARGINS. AND BIDEN DOES HAVE THIS SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, THERE IS SOMETHING GOING AROUND ON TIKTOK, I DON'T KNOW IF USING IT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT TIKTOK LATER. BUT WHEN THEY ASKED THIS MAN, GUN TO YOUR HEAD, WOULD YOU VOTE FOR BIDEN OR TRUMP ? AND HE SAID THE GUN WOULD GO OFF. AND THAT HAS BECOME THIS THAT HAS BEEN SHARED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE I WILL NOT GO FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THIS IS MY POINT ABOUT EXTREMISM VERSUS NOT. BIDEN SHOULD ALSO BE AS POPULAR AS THE FIELD, BROADLY. DO YOU WANT TRUMP OR ANYBODY ELSE? WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE TRUMP IS NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY DYSTOPIAN IN THE WAY WE MAY REMEMBER OR NOT, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE DURING THE PANDEMIC. HE IS ALSO JUST CLEARLY AGAINST THE RULE OF LAW AS A CONCEPT. SO I THINK THE QUESTION OF DEMOCRACY IS HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS A TANGIBLE, SCARIER THING, BECAUSE CURRENTLY I THINK TALKING ABOUT DEMOCRACY AS A CONCEPT IS A LITTLE PIE-IN-THE- SKY. THINK ABOUT DEMOCRACY DYING IN DARKNESS, DID NOT REALLY WORK AS A SLOGAN FOR THE WASHINGTON POST. >> BUT THIS WEEK, WITH THE REMEMBRANCE OF THE DAY, IT WAS NOT JUST THE STARK CONTRAST BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP. IT WAS ALSO BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND RONALD REAGAN. RONALD REAGAN GAVE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SPEECHES OF HIS PRESIDENCY IN NORMANDY. HE STOOD AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION, HE STOOD WITH HIS NATO ALLIES. SO ISN'T THERE A QUESTION TO ASK OF ALL REPUBLICAN VOTERS, WHERE HAS YOUR PARTY GONE? BECAUSE THE CURRENT GOP AND WHAT DONALD TRUMP REPRESENTS BEARS ALMOST NO RESEMBLANCE TO RONALD REAGAN. IT IS WHY YOU SAW JOE BIDEN LOOKING ALMOST LIKE REAGAN AND REFERENCING HIM WHILE HE WAS IN FRANCE THIS WEEK. >> I AM NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, BECAUSE I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE ALIVE BECAUSE OF RONALD REAGAN'S ACTION MANDATES. WHEN I THINK ABOUT WAXING BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LAID THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THIS EVOLUTION, TRUMP DID NOT COME TO US IN A VACUUM. TRUMP CAME TO US BECAUSE PEOPLE LAY FOUNDATIONS FOR HATRED AND BIGOTRY AND SEXISM. AND I FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PARTY THAT I COULD RECOGNIZE OF RONALD REAGAN. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS PEOPLE THAT WE ARE LEAVING OUT IN THIS CONVERSATION ARE THE VOTERS. I AM CONSTANTLY SAYING TO PEOPLE THE ELECTION IS NOT THE END GAME. IT IS THE STARTING GAME. YOU GET THE DEMOCRACY YOU WANT AND YOU GET THE DEMOCRACY YOU PARTICIPATE IN. AND WHO DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT? THAT IS MY WHOLE THING. WHO DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT? DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT A MADMAN OR DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT LISTEN TO YOU, WHERE YOU CAN GET THE NEEDLE MOVED? BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE. >> I DON'T THINK THE ELECTION IS GOING TO BE WON BY BIDEN IF HE IS MAKING DEMOCRACY THE NUMBER ONE EDITION. ALL OF OUR POLLING SHOWS PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT INFLATION, THEY ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT JOBS, THEY ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY. DEMOCRACY SHOULD BE LIKE THE SPRINKLES YOU GET WITH THE ICE CREAM CONE, IF THE ICE CREAM CONE IS THE ECONOMY. >> WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY YOU CAN THROW YOUR ECONOMY OUT THE WINDOW. >> BUT THE ECONOMY IS ALWAYS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE. >> FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IF HE DOES NOT WIN IT ON THE RECORD THAT HE IS RUNNING ON, -- >> WHICH IS A STRONG ONE. >> WHICH IS A PRETTY STRONG ONE. >> AND A VISION OF THE FUTURE. I DON'T THINK HE WIN SAYING I AM THE DEMOCRACY GUY AND THIS GUY ISN'T. >> WE ARE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AS FAR AS THE FOLKS WHO MAY VOTE FOR BIDEN AND THE FOLKS WHO MAY VOTE FOR TRUMP. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ISSUES AT ALL. THIS IS ABOUT PERSONALITY. THIS IS ABOUT WHO YOU BELIEVE. AND THE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, JOY REED TALKS ABOUT EARTH ONE AND EARTH TWO. PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT LIVE ON EARTH TWO. AND WE CAN SIT HERE AND GO NOTHING THAT YOU BELIEVE IS FACTUAL. RIGHT? WE CAN GO ON AND ON. JANUARY 6, CLIMATE CHANGE, THE ELECTION, THE TRIAL. BUT THEY ARE AFFIRMED IN THEIR MISS BELIEF CONSTANTLY, AND THEY THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALITY. >> THIS IS WHY FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE FELONIES THING SHOULD AND HOPEFULLY DOES CUT THROUGH TO A SILENT MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT? I AM IN EARTH ONE RESIDENT BUT I AM JUST NOT THAT PROUD OF IT. FOR ME, A BRIDGE TOO FAR IS WHEN WE HAVE A CONVICTED FELON SURROUNDED BY FELONS BEING, AGAIN, IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I JUST FEEL LIKE I WANT TO SIMPLIFY IT DOWN TO DO YOU WANT THE FELONY GUY OR ANYONE ELSE? >> BUT DONALD TRUMP WANTED MORE THAN HIS BASE, WOULDN'T HE BE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO COURT THE NIKKI HALEY VOTER? HE DISRESPECTED NIKKI HALEY IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY, YET STILL SHE ENDORSED HIM. IF HE ACTUALLY WANTED TO WIN, WOULDN'T HE SAY SHE IS MY RUNNING MATE, LET'S GO FOR THE GOLD? BUT HE HASN'T. INSTEAD IT IS PRESIDENT BIDEN THIS WEEK WHO IS PUTTING TOGETHER A COALITION TO TRY TO GO FOR THOSE VOTERS AND RISKING LOSING PROGRESSIVE VOTERS IN THE MIX. >> I WONDER WHEN WE SAY NIKKI HALEY VOTER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE STILL STACKED ABOUT NIKKI HALEY. I THINK IT WAS JUST I DON'T WANT TRUMP. I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVERYTHING ABOUT NIKKI HALEY IS JUST AWESOME. PEOPLE WEREN'T SAYING THAT. SO I FEEL LIKE HIM GOING FOR THAT VOTER AFTER WE SAW THE NUMBERS AFTER IOWA, WAS IT 28% OF THOSE PEOPLE SAID IF NIKKI HALEY IS NOT THE NOMINEE I COULD POSSIBLY VOTE FOR BIDEN? WHEN TRUMP DOES NOT GO OUT AND TRY TO EXPAND HIS BASE -- >> HE NEVER HAS. >> LET ME FINISH.
