Meet America's Most Infamous Women Prisoners (Female Prison Documentary) - Real Stories

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what was the hardest<font color="#CCCCCC"> thing to adjust</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> when you<font color="#E5E5E5"> first came into this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> prison</font> I've always naively I guess<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">women were the gentler</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sex that the</font> weaker sex that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> what society wants us</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> believe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and the fact that women can</font> stab a man<font color="#E5E5E5"> to death</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 40 times</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I find that</font> incomprehensible south of Chicago<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the state of Indiana</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to prisons</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hold some of America's most</font> dangerous female criminals the Rockville Correctional Facility<font color="#E5E5E5"> and Indiana</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">women's prison house over 1,800</font> offenders<font color="#E5E5E5"> many are serving long</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sentences for extremely violent crimes</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">some will end their days how severely</font> was the victim hurt<font color="#E5E5E5"> the bullet came into</font> close contact with<font color="#CCCCCC"> his eye yes for four</font> weeks<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> given</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> access to a world and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> culture the like of which I've never</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">known and so you were cast as a baby</font> killer<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was that I am that I'm a lot</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">more</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> than that as well but that's who I</font> am <font color="#E5E5E5">America imprisons more women than</font> anywhere else in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the world</font> [Music] this is Indiana women's<font color="#E5E5E5"> prison my escort</font> sergeant<font color="#CCCCCC"> McPherson</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is taking me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to meet</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the most notorious inmate in the state a</font> convicted<font color="#E5E5E5"> double murder thank you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you're</font> welcome and<font color="#CCCCCC"> Sergeant we're heading now to to the</font> administrative segregation<font color="#E5E5E5"> unit this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">unit is where our</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> disciplinary offenders</font> are this is a what<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> call like a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">punishment</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> forum</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if we put them here to</font> give them time<font color="#CCCCCC"> to think about what</font> they've done and to clear up their negative behavior offenders in this unit <font color="#E5E5E5">spent more</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than 20 hours a day locked in</font> their cells<font color="#CCCCCC"> they have no contact with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the rest</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the prison population</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hey</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Sarah Sarah Pender</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> has been in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> segregation<font color="#CCCCCC"> unit for nearly five years</font> this is punishment<font color="#E5E5E5"> not for the double</font> murder for which she was<font color="#E5E5E5"> convicted but</font> for an incident<font color="#E5E5E5"> in 2008 which made</font> headline<font color="#CCCCCC"> news</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> across</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the country why do</font> you think they have<font color="#E5E5E5"> given you this long</font> sentence as it were in segregation unit because I<font color="#E5E5E5"> embarrassed them how did you</font> embarrass<font color="#E5E5E5"> them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> well I escaped from what</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> supposed to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a maximum-security</font> prison<font color="#CCCCCC"> how did you do that</font> an officer aided me in<font color="#CCCCCC"> what way I</font> embarrass him <font color="#E5E5E5">he drove me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out they have these</font> transportation bands that come in to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fuel they have like their</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> own little</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> gas</font> station and we planned it<font color="#CCCCCC"> so that when</font> he came in to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get fuel then I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> came out</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> got in a van how did you manage to</font> persuade an officer<font color="#E5E5E5"> well I didn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">actually take to take you out I didn't</font> actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> ask him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah I know</font> it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> I was having</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when I was planning my</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">escape I plan on doing it by myself</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and but I needed money</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I didn't want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to ask my family because I would have to</font> lie to<font color="#E5E5E5"> them about what it was for so in</font> order<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make money</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I worked with this</font> officer who<font color="#E5E5E5"> added traffic in contraband</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and then my friends would sell it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> money<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then I would get the money to</font> save up for<font color="#E5E5E5"> my escape</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and so he was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">making a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> money because I was</font> paying<font color="#E5E5E5"> him very well to do this and he</font> found out that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I was playing an escape</font> and saw an opportunity<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> make more</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">money and so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what if I can just</font> roll you out<font color="#E5E5E5"> of here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that would be worth</font> my while<font color="#E5E5E5"> and and as a side note I also</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">had a sexual</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> relationship with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> officer and<font color="#CCCCCC"> that came out when I when I</font> escaped<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that was very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> embarrassing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to the department I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think I'm beginning</font> to understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> why the authorities have</font> taken<font color="#E5E5E5"> such a strong line on your case</font> because you<font color="#CCCCCC"> you mentioned</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was an</font> embarrassment<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think it's a huge</font> embarrassment for them<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes I and the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">only explanation that they've given my</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">mother</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for why I am in here is that I'm</font> quote too smart for their facility this is the Rockville Correctional Facility <font color="#CCCCCC">from which Sarah Pender</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> escaped in 2008</font> she was on<font color="#E5E5E5"> the run for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> more</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> than</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> four</font> months<font color="#E5E5E5"> and was labeled America's most</font> wanted woman leading<font color="#E5E5E5"> the way back</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Indiana to state</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> troopers in an unmarked</font> police car<font color="#CCCCCC"> bringing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> convicted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> murderer</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and prison escapee Sarah Jo Pender</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> back</font> to an Indiana<font color="#CCCCCC"> State Prison defender has</font> been on the run from police<font color="#E5E5E5"> since</font> escaping<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Rockville Correctional</font> Facility last August<font color="#E5E5E5"> she'll have no</font> contact with<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> outside</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she no phone</font> calls no visits<font color="#CCCCCC"> and will minimize her</font> contact<font color="#CCCCCC"> or even with staff internally</font> the state has been<font color="#E5E5E5"> true to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> its word</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this has been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Sarah Pender's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> life ever</font> since<font color="#CCCCCC"> Scott Spitler</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the officer who</font> helped her escape<font color="#E5E5E5"> was jailed for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seven</font> years <font color="#E5E5E5">sergeant McPherson has known Sarah</font> Pender<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the day she arrived</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Indiana women's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> prison</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she must have</font> struck at a very deep<font color="#CCCCCC"> relationship</font> having<font color="#E5E5E5"> targeted that male officer he was</font> having<font color="#CCCCCC"> problems at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> home and she</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> preyed</font> on that she preyed on his<font color="#E5E5E5"> emotions</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she</font> made him feel that<font color="#E5E5E5"> she was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gonna save</font> him that she would be his<font color="#CCCCCC"> everything</font> that she would replace what he didn't <font color="#E5E5E5">have and he was so vulnerable</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he fell</font> for<font color="#CCCCCC"> it so he did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> whatever she asked he</font> fell in<font color="#CCCCCC"> love</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with her he fell in love</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">with her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes but of course</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she wasn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">love with him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she used him to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> she<font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted and that was to get out of</font> Rockville<font color="#CCCCCC"> and you would put that down to</font> her ability<font color="#CCCCCC"> to she is I've seen a lot</font> I've been<font color="#E5E5E5"> here for over 20</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> years Sarah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is one of the best manipulators I've</font> seen [Music] out in the general<font color="#E5E5E5"> population</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> prisoners</font> must conform to<font color="#E5E5E5"> strictly regimented days</font> three<font color="#E5E5E5"> hours for recreation</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">fifteen</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> minute sittings for meals</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">me</font> apart from this routine<font color="#E5E5E5"> inmates are</font> allowed<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of their cells</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> although they</font> are confined to<font color="#E5E5E5"> their assigned units</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">thank you</font> this is unit<font color="#CCCCCC"> 13</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> offenders have just</font> returned from lunch <font color="#CCCCCC">what are you doing here today I'm just</font> talking<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's doing a little crafting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">writing some cards you're sending cards</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">up Mother's Day cards</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's coming up so</font> we got to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get him out yeah does your</font> mother come to see you here um no my mother she lives out of state<font color="#E5E5E5"> so she</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really doesn't come up here much she's</font> never come to see you at all<font color="#CCCCCC"> and how</font> long have you been in<font color="#E5E5E5"> this prison</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um</font> since 2006<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes well it's a long time not</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">only for you but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for anybody strong-arm</font> robbery<font color="#CCCCCC"> trip yeah that's more for like</font> physical robbery like I didn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> have a</font> gun<font color="#CCCCCC"> or anything</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was fighting punchy</font> you know that kind of stuff<font color="#CCCCCC"> what were</font> you robbing<font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh people sorry</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was three</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> what was this in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the street yeah</font> we were driving around<font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thought when</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> seen people walking we hopped out the</font> car<font color="#CCCCCC"> bum-rushed him kind of beat him up</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">knock him down try to smash the person</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> robbed three people yeah how much</font> did you take<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh it was only 300</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hours</font> from that<font color="#CCCCCC"> robbery</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really wasn't nothing a stupid</font> decision<font color="#CCCCCC"> not worth anything especially</font> all these years of my<font color="#E5E5E5"> life</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when you say</font> from<font color="#E5E5E5"> that robbery you suggest that there</font> were other<font color="#E5E5E5"> instances how old were you</font> when<font color="#CCCCCC"> you started on this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> may I call it a</font> career well since I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> about 13 school</font> um<font color="#E5E5E5"> I went to school up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> until</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 10th</font> grade then I<font color="#E5E5E5"> started fighting getting</font> expelled and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I just stopped going</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I'm actually really smart in school</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> always<font color="#CCCCCC"> had straight A's but I just</font> couldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> stay there always</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">getting expelled why couldn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stay</font> there why did you find the need to fight well<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just have a really horrible anger</font> problem so I<font color="#CCCCCC"> always let that get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> best<font color="#E5E5E5"> of me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> even looking at you now I'm</font> finding<font color="#CCCCCC"> it difficult to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> believe that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> are<font color="#CCCCCC"> capable of having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> done that I'm very</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">much capable</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of it because you're still</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very young</font> yeah I'm 25<font color="#CCCCCC"> and your sentence was 16</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">years to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 8</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if you behave well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes if you</font> control<font color="#E5E5E5"> your anger</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font> probably<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the most recent year I can</font> say I've been getting control<font color="#CCCCCC"> of my</font> anger<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I have two kids</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I know I</font> have<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go to kids yes how old a day</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they're seven and nine</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> two little girls</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">do you feel you have let them down by</font> not being there<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> them yes and I deal</font> with that<font color="#CCCCCC"> every day</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I really like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font> biggest motivation<font color="#E5E5E5"> to changing and being</font> different<font color="#CCCCCC"> and coming out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of here and you</font> know taking something from<font color="#E5E5E5"> it not just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">oh I've been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> prison you know I want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to walk out of here and be something for</font> them I just<font color="#CCCCCC"> do not want them to follow</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this same circle like my mother was in</font> prison you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know this is the same</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> full attempted murder and aggravated robbery<font color="#CCCCCC"> said that that was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not perhaps</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> great start for<font color="#CCCCCC"> you in your</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> life was</font> that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of what you know kicked</font> everything off<font color="#CCCCCC"> mama leaving</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">Eddi hearts will be free in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> only a few</font> months she'll<font color="#E5E5E5"> spend much longer picking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">up the threads of her life</font> [Music] [Music] I'm on my way<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the Rockville</font> Correctional Facility [Music] this is the largest<font color="#E5E5E5"> women's prison in</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> state of Indiana</font> I still need<font color="#CCCCCC"> Boeing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Joe</font> [Music] Rockville<font color="#E5E5E5"> is a clearinghouse for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">convicts from all over the state some</font> will serve all their time here others are assessed and moved on<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> other prisons every month on average<font color="#E5E5E5"> 200 new offenders</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">arrive</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is their first port of call</font> from now on<font color="#E5E5E5"> their every</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> action will</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">governed by prison rules any sexual</font> contact<font color="#E5E5E5"> of any kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> between you and</font> staff and<font color="#E5E5E5"> your offenders do our stuff go</font> over there and get a Styrofoam cup<font color="#E5E5E5"> put</font> your name<font color="#CCCCCC"> on it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there's water in the</font> orange thing from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the way an intake</font> looks when she comes in here<font color="#E5E5E5"> can you</font> tell what she might<font color="#CCCCCC"> be in for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no I don't</font> ever try<font color="#CCCCCC"> to guess some of them when</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">look at him and you look at the offender</font> it's like you cannot believe<font color="#CCCCCC"> that that's</font> what she's here for<font color="#E5E5E5"> you'll frequently</font> surprised by well we've done<font color="#E5E5E5"> very much</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so yeah you would if you look at you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know the paper and then look at her and</font> you're going there's<font color="#CCCCCC"> no way that yep do</font> you see many<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the same people coming</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes they'll come in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that door</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">back there and say I'm home and I'm</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> really you know because for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of them this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is because they have</font> nowhere else<font color="#E5E5E5"> to go okay I'm gonna roll</font> each finger<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm gonna</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> start with your</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">right thumb</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">hello I'm Trevor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have you been in this</font> prison before<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes I have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for a Fort</font> Wayne<font color="#E5E5E5"> Fort Wayne Indiana I've been here</font> for possession<font color="#E5E5E5"> of meth so I've been here</font> before but<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> always stayed like an</font> intake I didn't leave intake<font color="#E5E5E5"> so but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this time I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">will yeah so this time you will</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the general prison population what what</font> sort of prospect is that for you<font color="#E5E5E5"> um</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> little scary<font color="#E5E5E5"> but at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the same time like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't teach</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me little morals</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font> teach me<font color="#E5E5E5"> not to come back do you have a</font> drug dependency um<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to rehab</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">again I'm an addict straight up so yeah</font> I do how long have<font color="#E5E5E5"> you been an addict um</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">since I was 17 I'm 28 long time do you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have children</font> I do<font color="#E5E5E5"> have four um fortune</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I for my</font> oldest one is<font color="#E5E5E5"> 13 I've at 13 year old 12</font> year old nine year old<font color="#E5E5E5"> into six year old</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I'm trying to find a hopeful</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> road out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do</font> this for you<font color="#CCCCCC"> what's that I don't know I</font> had to<font color="#E5E5E5"> have a game plan when I leave</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">here I know that like going back to life</font> like when I got in trouble this time<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> violated probation<font color="#E5E5E5"> because I didn't have</font> no<font color="#E5E5E5"> transportation back and forth and I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">wasn't using and I haven't used for</font> maybe three months<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the most you know</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and that's pretty good</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for me because I</font> was doing<font color="#E5E5E5"> needles and all kind of stuff</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but three months is a big step and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">just wanted it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a little</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> further and</font> a<font color="#CCCCCC"> little bit further</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but it's just it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hard it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hard</font> thank you very<font color="#CCCCCC"> much for talking to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">good luck</font> new inmates have a month of prison orientation<font color="#E5E5E5"> they are easily recognized</font> by<font color="#E5E5E5"> their orange</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> uniform</font> [Music] for every new arrival<font color="#CCCCCC"> some other</font> prisoner<font color="#CCCCCC"> is about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to leave</font> [Music] ma the search is quietly<font color="#E5E5E5"> counting down</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Dennis</font> [Music] I caught<font color="#E5E5E5"> up with her on her mail</font> delivery round<font color="#CCCCCC"> Marfa how long have you</font> been in almost 20 years<font color="#E5E5E5"> the thought of</font> getting out must be<font color="#CCCCCC"> a exhilarating one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yes but you must</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> also</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be worried</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font> getting back<font color="#CCCCCC"> into the world</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> after all</font> this time yeah I am but<font color="#E5E5E5"> um this time has</font> given<font color="#CCCCCC"> me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time to discover things I</font> didn't have<font color="#CCCCCC"> before like patience and um</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I know it's gonna be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hard it's gonna</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font> a little<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit difficult but I just take</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">one day at a time and I'm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just anxious</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> see how the world is changing at 20</font> years<font color="#E5E5E5"> you never</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> left</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to catch up on yes</font> I have a<font color="#E5E5E5"> lot to catch up on and I have</font> two daughters grown<font color="#E5E5E5"> that were ages</font> almost 13 and 16 when I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> incarcerated</font> who are now 32 and 35 so<font color="#E5E5E5"> I haven't seen</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">them in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a while</font> have you seen any of<font color="#E5E5E5"> them since you've</font> been here<font color="#CCCCCC"> I haven't seen my youngest</font> daughter since 99 she couldn't do it<font color="#CCCCCC"> no</font> more<font color="#E5E5E5"> and my oldest I stopped coming in</font> 2005<font color="#E5E5E5"> because she didn't want to leave</font> without me anymore<font color="#CCCCCC"> you missed quite a</font> lot I just went from here to Terre Haute <font color="#CCCCCC">to the hospital</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not long ago and I was</font> awestruck at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> things I saw</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I had</font> had the officer tell me what it was <font color="#E5E5E5">because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I didn't I didn't know what it</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> things things like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what I seen this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">little gadget once and I didn't know</font> what<font color="#E5E5E5"> it wasn't someone</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say it was an</font> iPod<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I had to have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him explain to me</font> what an iPod was<font color="#CCCCCC"> because I don't know</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and a cell</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> phone I'm used to your</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> course</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">phones at home</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so but I was I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font> yeah I can't<font color="#E5E5E5"> wait</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to out and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> try</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> these</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">things</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm I'm gonna type the person</font> likes to<font color="#E5E5E5"> learn things and I'm curious</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I'm gonna find out then we'll get on</font> Google I found out all<font color="#CCCCCC"> about Google</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> I know them<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just can't wait</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I just</font> can't wait to<font color="#CCCCCC"> explore</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> everything so you</font> waiting to make your entry back into the real world yes<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I've told my children that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> might still see a little<font color="#E5E5E5"> prison in me</font> because I've<font color="#CCCCCC"> been down so long</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there might be this what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would that mean</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that might be just one time when I look</font> at the clock<font color="#CCCCCC"> and think it's count time</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">or not sure if I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> should answer the</font> telephone<font color="#E5E5E5"> and money's gonna be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> strange</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> my hands you know and so I said if I</font> act a little different or if I<font color="#E5E5E5"> wonder</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> offer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an hour</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to don't worry about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mom I'm exploring</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have you thought what your first night</font> of freedom<font color="#CCCCCC"> would be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like when you can</font> sleep<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a bed of your own I feel it</font> might show<font color="#CCCCCC"> me how a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> little bit of heaven</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">would feel that's how</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of it is a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">little bit of heaven you know in a dome</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">surrounded by other</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people heaven heaven</font> for<font color="#E5E5E5"> 20 years</font> Martha search has<font color="#E5E5E5"> been told what to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do</font> and when all those decisions<font color="#E5E5E5"> will soon</font> be hers alone prison inmates<font color="#E5E5E5"> and long sentences</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">survived partly on dreams of freedom but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">in August 2008</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one female offender</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Sarah</font> Pender actually broke out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of Rockville</font> the convicted double murderer but earlier told me that her escape plan relied on the help<font color="#CCCCCC"> of officers Scott</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Spitler now since</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> September we've been</font> hot on<font color="#CCCCCC"> the trail of a woman authorities</font> have called a female Charles Manson<font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font> recently<font color="#E5E5E5"> she was added to the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> US</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Marshals</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 15 most wanted list making</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> her</font> the most wanted<font color="#CCCCCC"> woman in America but how</font> on earth did the authorities explain the fact<font color="#CCCCCC"> that she escaped lieutenant Brad</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Gray was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on duty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on the day of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">breakout</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lieutenant gray what were your</font> impressions of Sarah Pender<font color="#CCCCCC"> while she</font> was here<font color="#E5E5E5"> she was always trying to get</font> get an<font color="#E5E5E5"> advantage over someone or</font> something<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was always about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> anytime</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> talk to her if you ask her a</font> question<font color="#E5E5E5"> she would typically respond</font> with what's in it for<font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when people</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> either say that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or give</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">impression that that's what they're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">trying to do then then it should put you</font> on notice<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you know you have to be</font> careful about<font color="#E5E5E5"> how you're</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dealing with</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">them</font> [Music] she got out through a<font color="#CCCCCC"> back door</font> in this<font color="#E5E5E5"> recreation building having</font> changed into<font color="#E5E5E5"> casual clothes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she hid her</font> prison uniform in the ceiling the door <font color="#E5E5E5">alarms</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> failed to go off and a white van</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was waiting with panda crouching under</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the backseat Spitler gopher</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> out of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">West Gate</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and out onto</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> open road</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what were your feelings about the fact</font> that this was an officer with whom<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> would work<font color="#CCCCCC"> very closely someone you knew</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">someone you had served with and someone</font> you respected as a as a colleague once <font color="#E5E5E5">we discovered that it was him that that</font> had<font color="#E5E5E5"> driven Pender out of the facility</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> was just<font color="#E5E5E5"> absolutely sick just sick to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font> stomach <font color="#E5E5E5">physically sick mentally sick over the</font> entire episode<font color="#CCCCCC"> Sarah Pender</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> proved to be</font> as you had probably<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought but when she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">came in here that she was just as clever</font> and manipulators you had<font color="#E5E5E5"> originally felt</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">oh absolutely she she</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> proven hers has</font> proven herself to be<font color="#E5E5E5"> that time and time</font> again<font color="#CCCCCC"> and that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is probably the the best</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">proof of it right then and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if you</font> can convince an officer<font color="#E5E5E5"> someone who was</font> trained not<font color="#E5E5E5"> to do that somebody who was</font> trained to maintain<font color="#E5E5E5"> the order</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">peace of a facility</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if you can convince</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to drive you out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Correctional Facility you can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> convince</font> anybody to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do anything</font> the authorities were bruised by<font color="#E5E5E5"> Sarah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">pandas escape</font> she was put<font color="#E5E5E5"> in solitary confinement</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> has now been<font color="#E5E5E5"> here for almost five years</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">longer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> any other female prisoner in</font> the state [Laughter] [Music] of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> 1200 offenders at Rockville</font> Correctional Facility<font color="#CCCCCC"> 85% of them are</font> mothers [Music] I'm on my way to Dom tree to<font color="#E5E5E5"> where new</font> arrivals to<font color="#CCCCCC"> the prison</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> our house thank</font> you poorer<font color="#CCCCCC"> McIntosh a mother of four was</font> beginning the difficult process<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">adjustment Paula what was your first</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">night like here like going in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> all the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">new girls</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was it a very talkative</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dorm</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">did you get some</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sleep</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">um they let</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me sleep they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> helped me they</font> talk to me a little<font color="#CCCCCC"> bit tell me if I</font> needed any shampoo or anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah yeah</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of noise a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that goes you</font> can wake up<font color="#CCCCCC"> easy you know what was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> biggest<font color="#E5E5E5"> shock to you coming</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in to intake</font> when you like<font color="#CCCCCC"> like not really to intake</font> just<font color="#CCCCCC"> like when you drive up in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> vehicle<font color="#E5E5E5"> can you turn around and you see</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that like the last gate</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> closed it's like</font> your heart<font color="#E5E5E5"> don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> roll instead yeah it's</font> really hard<font color="#E5E5E5"> well you have a visit soon</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no no my family won't come up here like</font> my dad<font color="#CCCCCC"> like he doesn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really come and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">see</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> us cuz</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he's just really hard on him</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so I don't I'm pretty sure I won't get</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no business why won't your father come</font> to see you<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's too</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hard on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because there's me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and then my brothers</font> it just turned 18 he's like that and it's just<font color="#E5E5E5"> like a pattern you know and</font> it's I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hard on him so</font> he won't come see me<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's hard on him</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but it's also very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> tough on you that he</font> wouldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> come to see you yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cuz he's</font> got<font color="#CCCCCC"> my daughter he's got my nine year</font> old right now so you know he's got a lot of responsibilities on him so I said <font color="#E5E5E5">that I don't know pretty for Mossad you</font> do your daughter<font color="#E5E5E5"> is nine at that age</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">he's able to understand a great</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> deal</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> wonder what your what your father said or says to her about your<font color="#E5E5E5"> situation like</font> that before<font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> daughters Melissa and</font> she's like she's<font color="#E5E5E5"> really strong and she</font> knows<font color="#E5E5E5"> everything</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't lie to her I</font> told<font color="#E5E5E5"> her she knows about my drug use she</font> knows about my she knows everything <font color="#CCCCCC">I called her this time Torres</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the only</font> prison<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's I just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> keep your head up</font> push<font color="#E5E5E5"> that sir</font> pretty tear-jerking to be told by your <font color="#CCCCCC">nine-year-old daughter to keep your head</font> up<font color="#E5E5E5"> and but even for you to make a call</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to you're going to prison</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> you have no<font color="#E5E5E5"> idea when you'll see her</font> again her dad just<font color="#E5E5E5"> got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out of prison and</font> he's not seen her not one time and she's <font color="#CCCCCC">nine and I guess he's just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like coming</font> around<font color="#CCCCCC"> my dad's letting</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him come and see</font> her like visits<font color="#E5E5E5"> so that's like a big</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">step for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> her</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when is this it then</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like I'm there in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time ago</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> know well I hope your time passes here very quickly<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I hope that you get a</font> chance<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be reunited</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with your daughter</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and your family thank you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> much for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">talking to me thank you</font> [Music] at<font color="#E5E5E5"> Indiana women's prison</font> it's morning recreation it's a chance for<font color="#E5E5E5"> inmates to make friends and</font> cultivate relationships which<font color="#E5E5E5"> can be a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">desperately important part</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of prison</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">life</font> [Music] the most troublesome offenders have few <font color="#E5E5E5">opportunities to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do that they are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">confined to this segregation</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> unit they</font> have<font color="#CCCCCC"> one hour</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of their cells under</font> escorted shackled<font color="#E5E5E5"> even to go for a</font> shower Sarah Pender<font color="#CCCCCC"> Cell faces that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if a</font> friend<font color="#E5E5E5"> armed bank robber Desiree Hancock</font> [Music] I<font color="#E5E5E5"> notice your opposite Sarah Pender</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font> I<font color="#CCCCCC"> love her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's one of my very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> good</font> friends very<font color="#CCCCCC"> good friend she I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would</font> like to give her a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of credit for</font> partly the woman that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I am today like</font> when I get<font color="#CCCCCC"> ready to show out or I'll get</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ready to snap</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because this place will</font> take<font color="#CCCCCC"> you there she'll be like doesn't</font> rain shut<font color="#CCCCCC"> up oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> shut</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up we'll sit down</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I'll go sit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> down I'll calm down in a</font> place like this friend is<font color="#E5E5E5"> not a word</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you just throw around</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's not</font> something<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> say because</font> women are very vindictive creatures and they're very fake and they're<font color="#E5E5E5"> very just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">caddy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they were smiling your face and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they just like hey and I just hope</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">nothing but the best for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you and then</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you turn around and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> eat in blue slipped</font> you like<font color="#CCCCCC"> thirty five</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> times they're</font> trying to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get you in your girlfriend</font> separated how close<font color="#CCCCCC"> do these</font> relationships get you mentioned women<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">her girlfriend that's a it's a pretty</font> pretty pretty pretty pretty deep a lot <font color="#CCCCCC">of women</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don't come in here gay I wasn't</font> when I<font color="#CCCCCC"> came to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> prison but I am now and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">oh you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are you have become</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> acting gay</font> yes I'm a lesbian oh yes I<font color="#CCCCCC"> am but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you you discovered</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> or you became<font color="#E5E5E5"> that when you here when</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> came</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to this years before I came</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">president oh man</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's just I don't know loneliness is</font> what started it and then<font color="#E5E5E5"> I don't know</font> one thing<font color="#CCCCCC"> led to another</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and it may seem</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fake on outside but emotions and</font> feelings are real and<font color="#CCCCCC"> you have had such</font> a deep relationship in this<font color="#CCCCCC"> to two great</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Louis I've had him Oh a dozen</font> relationships<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had two great loves</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I had in this prison and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I will say</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I damaged both of them I gave</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">both of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> how did you do that how did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dine</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> each other huh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being a cheater</font> a liar <font color="#CCCCCC">is it was like in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a tea tomorrow</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like when you're in a relationship it's</font> like being a<font color="#CCCCCC"> kid in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a candy store</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> just in one room gets not one</font> girliest 740 girls<font color="#E5E5E5"> so in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> order 740</font> probably only<font color="#CCCCCC"> 40 ain't gay mm-hm the</font> rest them this is the<font color="#E5E5E5"> gayest place on</font> earth<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rest of them are all gay</font> it's lunchtime<font color="#CCCCCC"> on unit 30</font> inmates follow a<font color="#E5E5E5"> well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> marked out route</font> to the food<font color="#E5E5E5"> hall</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">I meet up again with Eddie Hearts who is</font> hoping<font color="#E5E5E5"> very soon</font> to leave this place for good am I allowed to<font color="#E5E5E5"> grab one of these what</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">something what's on the menu today</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> is a chicken<font color="#CCCCCC"> patty with gravy what is</font> this a chicken<font color="#E5E5E5"> patty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay gravy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is</font> supposed to be cabbage and<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">kind of Spanish Spanish rice really not</font> bad I'm<font color="#CCCCCC"> bashing the food but sometimes</font> it really<font color="#E5E5E5"> isn't that bad</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like I'm gonna</font> eat this<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you guys</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ready</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> grace</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font> dear Lord we<font color="#E5E5E5"> come to you and thank you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for this meal</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we ask that you bless and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">let it be a nourishment to our bodies</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and your precious</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thing we pray</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> thank you amen amen the great ways to<font color="#CCCCCC"> watery still made it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really soggy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the other thing is about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this place which is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very obvious is that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this is an all-female environment</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> had to get used to right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and that's</font> kind of funny because<font color="#E5E5E5"> on the streets I</font> never really hung around females<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font> there's people here that<font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean I'm</font> close<font color="#CCCCCC"> with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Queenie's one of them mrs. crusher</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">close</font> not like sisters<font color="#CCCCCC"> but you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> close</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people that you you bond with and have</font> fun<font color="#CCCCCC"> wins</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes okay we all have a common</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bond</font> no matter your current we all have a <font color="#CCCCCC">common</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bond like it's we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can see someone</font> like<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> course I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> having a bad day</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Addie has a bad day and she crying you</font> know this is a no touch facility I'm opposed to be hugging<font color="#E5E5E5"> but we do women</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">need to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the comfort of hand it's gonna</font> be<font color="#E5E5E5"> all right</font> and if you can tell<font color="#E5E5E5"> me all day</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but if</font> you touch me<font color="#E5E5E5"> and let me know it's gonna</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> all right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> everything is everything on</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> surface so are there deeper</font> relationships<font color="#CCCCCC"> than that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in here yeah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">plenty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I try</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not to</font> I've been involved<font color="#E5E5E5"> with me for</font> relationships in here and it just<font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> go well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I just try not so you</font> were you say<font color="#CCCCCC"> mm-hmm and it didn't go</font> well no<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I make you feel like it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font> well while it's going<font color="#E5E5E5"> but one since</font> they're like out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sight they go home</font> or<font color="#E5E5E5"> something it never goes as planned</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> all the words they've said it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">doesn't add up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you looking forward</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to being out in a few months</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what are the fears what are the worries</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about this world</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that you're going into</font> after six seven eight years what concerns you really just<font color="#E5E5E5"> the fact of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">being put back in the same environment</font> the same surroundings<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know in making</font> the other choice<font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the negative choice</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so you're looking at the cabbage you can</font> have my cabbages<font color="#E5E5E5"> please so you'll have</font> two cabbages<font color="#CCCCCC"> -</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's right you'll take</font> the chicken patty<font color="#E5E5E5"> I sure will</font> I think I'm glad<font color="#E5E5E5"> my presence here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font> serving some purpose so you left me you've left<font color="#E5E5E5"> me bread and rice thank you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> much ladies this how it works</font> around here<font color="#CCCCCC"> will you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> will you miss that</font> he<font color="#CCCCCC"> would you miss</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes to me she's a</font> youngster<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I think it's my job to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> put</font> some meat<font color="#E5E5E5"> on her brain me put a little</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">knowledge on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> her so she won't come</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> back</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">here but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is not where</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want to</font> be<font color="#E5E5E5"> I keep her grounded like if she's mad</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I'll be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like okay a deal is called do</font> you think that she's going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to stay out</font> of<font color="#CCCCCC"> trouble I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think so I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> right she has babies <font color="#CCCCCC">great go home it kind of keeps me really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">motive</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's the big punch of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> UT</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that you have your life back with your</font> with your<font color="#E5E5E5"> children yeah</font> the biggest<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing I just can't wait they</font> deserve so much more<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">has been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my life and this is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my parents</font> life and this<font color="#E5E5E5"> was their parents life</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> I'm<font color="#E5E5E5"> just so ready to break that curse</font> that cycle the prison officers<font color="#CCCCCC"> I spoke to will</font> optimistic<font color="#E5E5E5"> that once she's released</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> any</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hearts stands a good chance of keeping</font> out of trouble [Music] [Music] at the end of<font color="#E5E5E5"> my first visit I asked to</font> see<font color="#CCCCCC"> the convicted double murderer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Sarah</font> Pender<font color="#E5E5E5"> again</font> hi<font color="#CCCCCC"> Sara</font> once described is<font color="#E5E5E5"> America's most</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wanted</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">woman her notoriety is a far cry from</font> her formative years<font color="#E5E5E5"> and life as a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">college student</font> [Music] all that change in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> year 2000</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Penda</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was charged with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the murder of a couple</font> with whom she<font color="#CCCCCC"> shared a house</font> they were actually shocked by her boyfriend<font color="#CCCCCC"> Richard hull</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> prosecution believed that Sarah Pender was<font color="#CCCCCC"> instrumental</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in planning the murder</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">she bought the murder weapon</font> [Music] and she helped to dispose of the bodies in this skip she has a<font color="#CCCCCC"> charles manson like ability to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">manipulate people to act as surrogates</font> for and committing crimes<font color="#E5E5E5"> the evidence</font> was overwhelming<font color="#E5E5E5"> that if she didn't pull</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> trigger</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> everything else</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Penda has always admitted helping to get</font> rid of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the bodies</font> but she strenuously denies masterminding the<font color="#E5E5E5"> killings but she failed to convince</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the jury Pender was found guilty of</font> double murder<font color="#CCCCCC"> I kept hoping to get to</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> bottom of the Sarah Pender story</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay the thing that I have always got</font> from the conversations we've<font color="#CCCCCC"> had before</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not typical of the</font> people in this prison<font color="#CCCCCC"> environment</font> generally<font color="#E5E5E5"> would you agree I would I</font> would I<font color="#CCCCCC"> am</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I have a wider</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> worldview and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I think that I've been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> able to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> glean</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">more</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wisdom than the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> typical person</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font> generally more educated I have<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> have five<font color="#CCCCCC"> years of college why did you</font> choose<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pop that ended you up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> head</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> was an emotional attachment<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> someone</font> who when I found<font color="#E5E5E5"> out that he dealt drugs</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I accepted it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because I didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> lose him so at every stage you were</font> aware of where that codependency was taking you yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> I went into the</font> relationship<font color="#E5E5E5"> with my eyes open however</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> was very very<font color="#E5E5E5"> naive and I never thought</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that it would bring harm to me or anyone</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I loved and like most women</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> thought that I could change<font color="#E5E5E5"> him and I</font> asked him<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stop selling</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> drugs and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> get a real job<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he agreed</font> and that was the path<font color="#CCCCCC"> that I thought we</font> were going<font color="#E5E5E5"> on it they tell you aware</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that there were guns in the house or a</font> gun in the house yeah I bought the gun <font color="#E5E5E5">it was my gun</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I he asked me to buy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> em a</font> gun<font color="#E5E5E5"> if someone asked</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me to buy a gun</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font> first<font color="#E5E5E5"> question would be a why me why are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you asking me to do it and what are you</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to use it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> did you ask those questions<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah and he</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">told me that I was the only person who</font> was who didn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> have a criminal</font> background<font color="#CCCCCC"> because in Bethan itself is</font> awfully suspicious<font color="#E5E5E5"> what you can't in</font> America you can't buy a firearm legally if you have a felony<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so I was the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">only person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> who was legally</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> able</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to buy</font> it but<font color="#CCCCCC"> I earn but I'm talking about the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fact that you were being asked by a gun</font> by a<font color="#E5E5E5"> felon the thought of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> being left</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">alone frightened me more than whatever</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">consequences would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> come from purchasing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">a firearm what kind of a gun was this it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was a shotgun</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that you would use for</font> hunting <font color="#CCCCCC">like I think birds I don't know I didn't</font> pick<font color="#CCCCCC"> it out but but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the end it was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">not used for hunting birds</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was used</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for shooting to people with whom he was</font> in his disagreement<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah well he</font> actually had no disagreement with a woman he said<font color="#E5E5E5"> he shot her just because</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">she was a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> witness the bear fact of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> matter is<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you purchased a gun which</font> was used in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the killing of two people</font> did you think about<font color="#E5E5E5"> the victims</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the</font> people who were killed<font color="#E5E5E5"> in this in this</font> crime<font color="#CCCCCC"> nothing more about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> their families</font> the woman had three kids<font color="#CCCCCC"> Patricia is she</font> had three<font color="#E5E5E5"> children and despite the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> fact</font> that they were both felons drug dealers doesn't matter<font color="#E5E5E5"> if they were still</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> and they have<font color="#E5E5E5"> families</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that love them</font> just<font color="#CCCCCC"> like I have family that loves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and they can't ever get those</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">back what did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you think when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you heard</font> the judge<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the prosecutor</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pronounce</font> the sentence on you<font color="#E5E5E5"> because you were</font> given a<font color="#CCCCCC"> very long</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to very long sentences</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yes I was given 110 years 110 years</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what were your emotions on hearing that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">dreadful sentence disbelief</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> why did the</font> jury<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the end conclude that you were</font> directly<font color="#E5E5E5"> involved in the murder of two</font> people <font color="#CCCCCC">I knew that I had I knew that I had</font> committed<font color="#E5E5E5"> a crime but I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> knew I wasn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">guilty of murder</font> and and I was willing<font color="#E5E5E5"> to take</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">responsibility for my actions in that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">case it was was it in somebody's mind</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the mind of the prosecutors the</font> prosecuting authorities<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you had</font> somehow encouraged or<font color="#CCCCCC"> and manipulated</font> him<font color="#CCCCCC"> into doing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into into committing</font> those murders<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes yes that was their</font> theory<font color="#CCCCCC"> that I had that I had this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> where the entire<font color="#E5E5E5"> or the entire</font> reputation<font color="#E5E5E5"> of manipulation that I'm a</font> manipulator came from the prosecutor had went forward on the theory that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I had</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">manipulated Richard into murdering</font> murdering the victims<font color="#E5E5E5"> and his theory was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I wanted them out of my house you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">are being judged</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or you was seen you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">were perceived as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a two-faced</font> manipulator<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah yeah which</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hard label to carry every time I meet</font> somebody new if they are aware<font color="#CCCCCC"> of my</font> infamous reputation<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's a new hurdle</font> jump<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that's a consequence of my</font> actions [Music] next week<font color="#CCCCCC"> I talked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to a woman who took</font> the life<font color="#E5E5E5"> of her three-month-old son so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you were cast as a baby killer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font> that I am that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm a lot more</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but that's who I am</font> I meet<font color="#CCCCCC"> new borns Aiden</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what would you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">tell your son when he is old enough</font> about where he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> born and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">circumstances in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was born</font> I would just tell him that Mommy made a big mistake and<font color="#E5E5E5"> hopefully he didn't</font> won't ever come to a place like this<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> I speak to a murderer who managed<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> stay on<font color="#E5E5E5"> the run for 35</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> years I heard</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">something</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> coming</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> back door</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thought oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no it's the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cops</font> [Music]
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Length: 45min 50sec (2750 seconds)
Published: Thu Jul 19 2018
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