Why This Tesla Co-Founder Quit

on july 24 2019 elon musk announced a big change to the tesla management team important update jv stravel co-founder and chief technology officer will be transitioning to a senior advisor from the cto role this was a pretty dramatic moment after all jb had worked alongside elon for 15 years and helped transform tesla from a tiny startup into a massive public company so why would jb call it quits at tesla after so many great years working with elon jb had realized something really important and he had to act immediately he had seen electric vehicles become a reality firsthand and could tell that the industry was going to be massive these new evs would help curb carbon emissions but they created a new problem e-waste the staggering amount of the world's e-waste is ending up being burnt in open dumps in impoverished ghana recycling old lithium-ion batteries is incredibly difficult and without a solid program to deal with them e-waste will just start piling up this wasn't just an opportunity to help keep the environment clean though it could also be a huge business so jb left tesla to start a new company called redwood materials this story gets less attention than your average elon musk tweet but it's incredibly important so let's dive into the used battery problem and how jb is planning to solve it lithium nickel cobalt and graphite are all key components in lithium-ion batteries but mining them can be incredibly damaging to the environment extracting just one ton of lithium from the andes mountains requires 500 000 gallons of water mining nickel in russia has lowered the life expectancy of the local residents by 10 years and 60 of the global cobalt supply comes from the democratic republic of congo where manual laborers work in dangerous mines without safety equipment it's all incredibly difficult so it's absolutely critical that when we extract a particular resource from the earth we don't let it go to waste pollution is a huge issue and it doesn't end with mining after raw materials are extracted from the earth they need to travel to a refinery which is often in another country and once they actually are refined transforming these resources into something that can actually be used in a battery requires another trip across the globe to a different factory the entire process from mining to final battery pack assembly can often incur tons of carbon emissions since the supply chain spans the entire world these batteries also don't last forever even though many ev batteries can now last for hundreds of thousands of miles before failing we will still need to recycle millions of battery packs in a few decades we simply don't have enough recycling capacity to handle the wave of dead lithium-ion batteries that is coming once today's ev owners start scrapping their cars currently only five percent of all lithium-ion batteries wind up getting recycled fortunately jb strabal saw this problem coming and is working on a solution but before looking at his plan for redwood materials and a full sustainable battery we have to examine what makes him uniquely qualified to tackle these challenges jb's interest in electric vehicles developed back in the 1980s well before most people even knew that evs were a real possibility at age 13 he rebuilt an old electric golf cart which taught him how batteries and electric motors worked it was a kind of a souped-up electric golf cart that was a whole lot of fun did it work it worked well it was maybe a little too dangerous many successful entrepreneurs have stories like this when elon musk was 12 years old he programmed a video game and sold it to a magazine for 500 bucks and bill gates landed a contract to build software for a water utility when he was just a teenager working on a hobby project with a tangible outcome is a great way to learn important skills the earlier you start building the more time you'll have to let these skills compound on one another jb's builder mindset led him to stanford in 1992 he was already interested in electric vehicles but there weren't really any degrees that fit his interests so he wound up building his own curriculum he studied physics and chemistry to get a handle on how the batteries would work in an electric vehicle and then he took courses in computer science to understand how to control the electric motors i actually defined my own major and ended up defining a major called energy systems engineering are you the only person in the history of the world has done it well i think at this point you know they actually have a whole track you know focused on energy i'm pretty jealous you know when i was there there wasn't too much to do he wasn't only focused on class though while working on his bachelor's degree jb also worked at rosen motors a company designing a new hybrid powertrain the system was ahead of its time but the big car companies weren't interested in rethinking their car designs so rosen had to shut down in 1997. jb graduated from stanford in the year 2000 but he stuck around on campus for a few extra years he'd started building electric race cars with some other stanford friends and really enjoyed the process they would buy a normal car with an internal combustion engine and then install an electric powertrain and a battery pack each iteration would show small improvements and more importantly teach them a ton a few years into building these vehicles jb set a new world record using a converted electric porsche 944 a few years later jb moved to los angeles to work for ac propulsion the business was small but they were one of the few companies working on custom-built electric cars so it was a great fit they had designed a two-seat electric sports car called the t-0 and this thing was fast it could do 0 to 60 in just 4.9 seconds which is pretty slow by modern tesla standards but back then it was fast enough to turn heads there was a problem though it had an extremely limited range the original version of the t0 used a lead acid battery pack and could only do around 100 miles of driving on a single charge fortunately battery technology was improving rapidly at the turn of the millennium and the latest generation of lithium-ion batteries had much higher storage capacities when the ac propulsion team changed from lead acid to lithium-ion in 2003 their car's range increased to 300 miles and the 0-60 time actually went down the car could now hit 60 miles per hour in just 3.6 seconds and it was actually because of a technology shift that they gave us a toe hold to start the company and it was a shift around the battery technology from lead acid to lithium ion that fundamentally changed the type of product that you could build with an electric car jb had been building the perfect set of skills for years so when he sat down for lunch with elon in 2003 it was clearly the beginning of a great partnership elon was 31 years old back then and he just made 165 million dollars from paypal so he was ready to start writing some big checks in the green energy space jb initially pitched elon a plan to build a hydrogen-powered aircraft but elon wasn't a fan of the idea it was a rocky start to the relationship but jb saved the conversation by telling elon about the t0 elon already had a deep fascination with electric vehicles and instantly wanted to go for a ride even though ac propulsion had done some great engineering work the business plan wasn't as solid as it could have been the t0 was just a proof of concept and it didn't even have doors or windows it clearly wasn't street legal and even worse it cost 220 000 to produce a single vehicle so mass production was still a long way away elon and jb believed in the potential of the t0 but they just couldn't convince ac propulsion to start scaling manufacturing and this is why jb and elon wound up working on tesla and not ac propulsion it's all just a very interesting case of serendipity if if we hadn't had lunch in 2003 tesla wouldn't wouldn't exist basically yeah it's been a quite an adventure of 16 years jb officially joined tesla in 2004 as chief technology officer his salary was 95 000 but obviously the stock options he received wound up making that look like pennies every massively successful startup has plenty of stories like this and it's a big reason why so many smart people take pay cuts and risk everything to work on bold new ideas jb wound up getting a huge payday from tesla but this wasn't just luck without jb who knows what would have happened to tesla and jb didn't join tesla with financial gain in mind just like elon he had a great mission jb was already thinking about climate change in the early 2000s and knew that electric cars could help significantly reduce emissions on top of that jb was a passionate engineer and joining tesla would allow him to work on the hardest engineering problems in the world one of the first problems that tesla ran into when building the original roadster was finding a good supplier for batteries back in the mid 2000s most lithium-ion battery manufacturers focused on consumer electronics like ipods and laptops they simply didn't have the experience or scale to support the demands of ev battery packs it took tesla years before they were able to ink a deal with panasonic to reliably produce high-quality batteries lithium-ion as a technology class was invented for consumer electronics it was not invented for transportation today in the last maybe one or two years have we seen that start to shift where the manufacturing methods the scale of operations even the scale of r d is starting to increase to the automotive level and to the energy storage level for the grid supply chain issues weren't the only problem for tesla in the early days though the roadster also faced numerous design challenges tesla planned to use the lotus elise chassis to simplify the production process but it actually wound up making things more complicated in order to fit the massive battery pack inside of the vehicle the tesla engineers had to rebuild a large part of the original chassis this was just the beginning of the tesla roadster's problems though in 2007 an internal audit showed that tesla had been too optimistic about how much it would cost to build the roadster instead of the seventy thousand dollars they had budgeted for a single car would cost closer to a hundred and forty thousand dollars the plan was to sell each roadster for a hundred and nine thousand dollars so tesla would lose money on every car that they sold the financial system was in turmoil at the time so the team had to figure out a solution quickly fortunately jb stepped up and worked with his engineering team to reduce the production cost to 80 thousand dollars it wasn't a huge profit margin but it was enough to demonstrate the financial viability of the business and get tesla through the ipo process in 2010. the roadster project was easy compared to what was coming next though everyone who bought a roadster was an early adopter and they knew full well that there might be issues for tesla's first mass market car the model s the stakes would be much higher jb led the team through a massive transformation as tesla acquired a 42 million manufacturing plant in fremont set up a supercharger network and then started working on the gigafactory pretty much you know moved to nevada in those days and camped out at the gigafactory and did everything i possibly could do to make batteries possible and battery packs and motors and everything else it was pretty crazy the gigafactory allowed tesla to bring battery cell production from japan to the united states and finally guaranteed that they would have enough batteries to build new cars it's impressive to see how successful this project has been the factory now produces 37 gigawatt hours worth of batteries every year enough to make it the biggest battery factory in the entire world but as jb was working on building the gigafactory he realized that solving the battery production problem would just create a new problem battery recycling nearly 300 000 electric vehicles were sold in the united states last year and this number is projected to grow to nearly 7 million per year by 2025 factory in international markets and you quickly get to a point where tens of millions of batteries will need to be decommissioned every single year this can feel far away as you're driving around on a day-to-day basis since most of the cars you see on the road still use gasoline but jb has seen exponential growth firsthand at tesla and he understands that there's really no time to waste if we don't build enough battery recycling factories in time we're going to be in a very tough situation jb actually believes that the problem is so big we need not one but four different companies working on solutions now obviously jb can't build all four companies but he can certainly set an example in this new industry this is why jb resigned from tesla in 2019 to found redwood materials the goal of the company is to build what's called a closed-loop battery manufacturing ecosystem that's industry jargon for basically just recycling old batteries into new ones and even though it sounds pretty simple the technology required is extremely complex and the business is very capital intensive investors clearly believe in the opportunity here though this past summer jb raised 700 million dollars at a 3.7 billion valuation from goldman sachs bill gates and jeff bezos not exactly a group of nobodies and jb has already started putting this money to work his first factory is up and running in nevada and can process 60 tons of batteries every single day that works out to the equivalent of just under 50 000 electric vehicle batteries per year which is still a long way from the tens of millions of batteries we are expecting in the future but it's a promising start even though redwood is still a young company jb and his team have already captured 50 of the lithium-ion battery recycling market and could do 90 million in revenue this year jb's experience in the industry is clearly paying off already he's been able to strike a deal with ford to recycle their old battery packs and partnered with an electric bus company named proterra to manufacture new batteries this two-sided closed-loop approach gives jb lots of flexibility when it comes to partnering with existing companies working on electric vehicles redwood can help recycle old batteries which many companies don't have a plan for yet or they can help make new batteries with the recycled materials and even a company like tesla can partner with redwood even though tesla's operation is pretty efficient a small portion of the materials they use to make batteries at the nevada gigafactory end up going to waste redwood is able to recycle this waste and extract valuable materials to feed back into the gigafactory manufacturing process it's all about squeezing every possible efficiency out of supply chains and when you're dealing with a massive industry that has big implications jb doesn't want to stop with just battery recycling though there's another part of the ev battery supply chain under pressure right now car companies and battery manufacturers are constantly announcing massive plans to build out battery cell production capability but making the batteries is just one part of the puzzle the components that go into the cells cathodes anodes electrolytes and separators also need to come from somewhere unlike asia which has a historically strong battery supply chain the us lacks domestic manufacturing capability in this area if we don't figure out how to make enough of these precursor materials we could be faced with something similar to the chip shortage where a lack of upstream components slows everything else down luckily jb is already positioning redwood to produce critical parts a great example of this is his plan for a copper foil manufacturing plant he recently bought a hundred acres of land in nevada to build a factory explicitly for this purpose now a factory that only produces rolls of copper might sound boring but this foil is actually really important because it's a key component needed to make the anode for the battery you know copper can be even more silly you know north america you know is a big scrap market for copper wire plumbing you know all these things we're a big generator of copper waste yet we don't have much copper manufacturing so we actually export copper scrap back to china you know where it gets made into the same anode copper foil then sent right back to north america to be made into batteries jb is also scouting locations to build a billion-dollar cathode factory that should come online in 2025. now scaling this facility up will take time but jb knows that entrepreneurship is a marathon not a sprint he's already looking toward a 2030 goal of supporting nearly 10 million electric vehicles per year that type of long-term thinking has risks if ev adoption slows this facility could sit idle but if current projections hold redwood will be in the perfect position north america isn't the only market that jb is considering though europe has many of the same supply chain issues when it comes to battery manufacturing so he's planning on setting up a factory over there by 2023 the ultimate goal here is zero waste pull materials out of old batteries and use those materials to create new batteries it's a remarkably simple model but the engineering effort here is enormous jb is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into his research and development efforts and they are already starting to see some results over 95 percent of the contents of a dead battery can now be successfully salvaged the only problem here is that there actually might not be enough old batteries to recycle into new materials jb has to scale redwood at roughly the same rate as the overall electric vehicle industry but demand for new batteries is much higher than the supply of used ones so jb and his team are now working on recycling batteries from phones cameras and other consumer devices basically anything with a lithium ion battery in it is fair game in jb's book it's something like 90 percent of the batteries that get sold to consumers put in small devices end up not recycled redwood now has drop off points with best buy to collect these old batteries and the plan seems to be working especially for cobalt consumer electronics have so much cobalt that redwood might never need to worry about mining it ever again sort of amazing but only a few hundred iphones you know can provide enough cobalt to make a new tesla battery pack jb's entire plan for redwood revolves around reducing the environmental footprint of the battery supply chain manufacturing a new battery pack for an electric vehicle using only new materials creates over five tons of carbon emissions but redwood has already lowered that to just over 3 tons per battery pack and has no plans to stop there jb envisions a future where no mining needs to occur to make batteries once the recycling ecosystem kicks into high gear old batteries will provide everything needed to make new ones it is worth pointing out here that when a battery wears down the only thing that's actually destroyed inside the battery are the chemical connections between the different metals all of the components are still inside of the cell and with the right technology they can be repurposed into new batteries redwood's battery components won't just be better for the environment though they could also be cheaper back in 2010 the price of cathodes anodes and other cell materials made up only 30 of the cost of battery packs the materials weren't the most expensive part of the batteries the manufacturing process was but engineers have since driven down production costs so materials now account for nearly 60 of the price of the battery jb has experience taking something expensive and figuring out how to reduce its cost without sacrificing quality every dollar that redwood can save on battery components translates directly into 60 cents of savings that's a big deal and will be really important for making electric vehicles competitive with traditional gas-powered cars the story of jb stravel is so important because it demonstrates the power of long-term thinking our world is changing extremely rapidly and certain technologies are compounding exponentially things might seem slow at first but after a few decades of compounding growth suddenly everything is different being able to track these trends into the future and build a business that addresses an issue that is just on the horizon is an incredibly powerful skill and one that every founder should pay attention to if you like this video don't forget to go enter your email at johncoogan.com and please check out this recommended video the youtube algorithm thinks that you'll really like it

Channel: John Coogan

Views: 287,204

Keywords: tesla, redwood materials, jb straubel, battery recycling, elon musk, electric car, electric vehicle

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Length: 19min 41sec (1181 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 06 2021

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Not sure why this is on Nikola site, but it is interesting. With the push for electric vehicles landfills will be better off if batteries can be reused/recycled.

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