Why is Kodak Black in Maximum Security Prison? (Full Interview with His Lawyer) | 76 |

hi ladies and gentlemen I'm here today great show we got we're gonna be talking about Kodak black and listen to me all you guys know he's a rapper you know about me with prison reform before I get started make sure you check out YouTube membership program and patreon membership programs they're going great and check out all our merch in the links below make sure you do that now we're getting right into this interview here I got Brad Cohen who's the lawyer for Kodak black the kodak black incident now how i got involved and through prison reform and that's what i do on our channel here is he's being he's a young young man he's been a rapper did he mess up we're gonna talk about that but that's not even the case the case is what's going on with him i mentioned it a couple of other short clips and other videos about what's going on and how i know what he says is true because I went through it whether it's diesel therapy whether they keep losing his paperwork or not giving him medical care I know all about that because I went through it but I'm gonna bring on right now Brad Cohen who's Kodak's lawyer welcome to the show Brad thanks Larry give us a little bit of rundown of yourself how you got involved in the case and what's just a little bit about Kodak black from my audience who don't know kodak black shirt so my name is Bradford Cohen I am codecs lawyer I've been his lawyer for about three three and a half years I started off on his first case where he had a violation of probation he had a couple lawyers before me that actually tried that violation of probation and lost he was looking at about eight eight and some change on that eight years maybe eight point three years on that where he could have gotten sentenced I was brought on simply for the sentencing on that case and for the mitigation on that case I presented the mitigation to the judge and some case law and the judge agreed that he was going to sentence him below those eight years and he ended up giving him about I think about two hundred eighty days and he already had about two hundred fifty days in so he essentially got credit for time served and that's how my relationship with Kodak started obviously everybody knows who Kodak black is he is well they don't the world that some people don't okay I'll take that but he's a pretty well-known rap artist he has been called you know a genius of his age in terms of that he writes his own music he sets his own beats he does a lot of things himself and he also has a certain style that a lot of rap rappers trying to emulate on their records as well so that's how I started become friends with with Kodak and then I followed him through you know his whole career and in other cases that he got involved in and then there was the second case that came about we're gonna get into a second here right so now that's how you got to meet and get to know kodak black and obviously as a lawyer you kind of into you know intertwine a lot you get you only hear the bad parts of people but you probably interviewed them enough to know there is a good part of them and I think that's what a lot of people are looking for when we talk Prison Reform even on this channel or any other channels Prison Reform has a lot to do with the system itself and we're gonna go into that but when we catch a young man who here is just a celebrity and he's still getting abused as I used to tell people I don't care who you are I was in prison with Godfather's I was in mob bosses and I was with professional athletes and they're all treated like garbage but some of them find their groove obviously Kodak blacks a young man he's like what how old is he 22 he's 22 years old but what's happening to him is what we're gonna get into today just give the audience a little bit of this case what why is he in prison okay so on this particular case he's in prison because there's a law in Florida in regards to owning a firearm if you're under 24 if you have a prior juvenile record that's kind of the start of it right so he actually and the government never disclosed this it was something that we found out we know how they are about that so we found this out through investigators but he was actually given advice by an ex miami-dade police uh I wouldn't say an officer but it was a employee of the the miami-dade Police Department and was given the advice that he was okay to go in and purchase a firearm not just that he was okay to go into person firearm but also that he could actually apply for his carry permit and that's federal correct correct that's the federal part of it so Kodak having that information went over to a gun store filled out the application one of the questions on the application is are you under indictment or do you have a pending charge that would affect interstate commerce he checked off no because most people don't even know what is not fake converses right or what charge would affect interstate commerce so the definition of that question is kind of vague he checked off no he was sold firearms and he the allegations are that he possessed those firearms when he left the store and the federal case is simply that he checked that wrong box off that he didn't say no that he said no instead of saying yes to that he was under indictment and he was under indictment in South Carolina on a case that's about three or four years old so let me just stop you on that point right there most people who it almost sounds like a mistake listen I understand the Lord did the law for ten years myself and I am was convicted of racketeering under interstate commerce act obvious the Hobbs Act and on Kodak's case you can probably argue one ignorance I know ignorance is no defense of the law we all know that but in this case it seems almost harmless give the gun back you made the mistake maybe a fine or something of that nature do you think they went after this young man because of his past who he is maybe them not like you know you know the rather in the kind of stuff he is there's no doubt in my mind so I did a breakdown while I was handling the case of how many cases they actually follow up on that have errors on paperwork so the majority of these cases are convicted felons that lie on an application that they're not a convicted felon what's interesting is during this case a case came out from the Supreme Court that said you know if there is an error on one of these forms a felon in possession of a firearm that they have to prove this is not just a general intent crime it's a specific intent crime which means they have to prove that he had knowledge that he was quote-unquote a convicted felon now I'm not talking about Kodak because he's not a convicted my question here today you know the audience is gonna ask is this guy ever been in prison has he ever been in prison he's never been in prison he was the longest sentence that he ever received I think was about 280 days and I think it was on that last case but he's only done jail sentences never been in prison ever been into Upstate disease never know and also obviously at the law you could elaborate a little bit mens rea after having ten correct right you have to have intent us specifically on this crime it used to be general intent meaning if it's it's a lie in by case right so if you if you lied on the form they they use that as okay that's evidence that you know you had some intent when that new case came out that Davis case came out saying you need to have specific intent you have to know that you were convicted felon or you have to know that your honor under indictment and that that indictment would effect quote-unquote interstate commerce in my eyes it changed the dynamics of the case in the AUSA XY's obviously it did not change the dynamics of the case did Kodak go to trial no so Kodak did not go to trial he didn't want to go to trial okay mommy did he feel let's get it to the field in a chase for a little bit did he feel like he'd be treated unfairly so without know how they pressure people cause we all know that yeah without disclosing or any client privilege obviously he felt that they were out to get him I don't have a doubt that and like I said before when I did a study on how many of these cases actually get filed most of these cases get filed on convicted felons I didn't find one case I didn't find one case where they actually filed on someone that said I'm not under indictment in another jurisdiction it's just it's just ridiculous so like out of like 12,000 cases that get referred by the ATF to the to the US Attorneys offices I think they actually only file on like such a my new show of cases like 30 to 40 cases it's that small of an amount that they actually file on and there's actually a study done in a breakdown how many of these cases file on so do I think that they had an in-form yes I think that they from day one they had it informed and what did he do did he take a took a plea completely for how long so he took a plea and what's interesting about the plea is and as you know Larry in federal court it's a score sheet right it goes by like what I like to call a battleship grid right so if anyone ever played you sank my battleship we're gonna show that right here guys check it out and it goes by at numbers on the on the left side and then a level on the top of the grid and the higher the level on the top of the grid means more of history criminal history that you have and they also throw ups I or incorrect what you could call them PSRs be a size they have different name which means a pre-sentence report pre-sentence investigation right so what happens is you have a base level and that base level can be affected by different points and that that pushes you further down the graph and then if you have a lot of priors or you have more than three priors it pushes you to the right of the graph so where you don't want to be is the very far corner of the graph exactly right corner so those those are life sentences so where Kodak was scoring he was they they gave him a level three in criminal history and they were a lot of times they over exaggerate those points so if you have a misdemeanor marijuana case you get two points for that which pushes you to another level we used to win cases and in a system by going back into the state cases and taking them off right then you break down the point we wish to win a lot of 2255 the correct so we tried not to turn you're a hundred percent correct so we tried to figure out if we could go back and get some of those please take him back most of them were juvenile please so they were too old the misdemeanor plea and his judges don't tell you if you do something this can affect you in a later date there's not a lot of word and to beyond with you and and I hope that your your listening audience also understands as watching to watching SEO grad watching it was thing you know most people don't know the the law in Florida is if you're a even if you're not convicted as a juvenile you can't possess a gun until you're over 24 and that's nothing they tell you I didn't know that either believe it or not and I did the Lord I live in Florida everything most don't so like it's kind of a setup you know if you're a juvenile and you you've had a grand theft case as a 13 year old technically you're not allowed to have a gun to you everybody thinks it's sealed I mean it's done when you're 18 is what most people think and what's funny is and it's not so funny is that the federal government isn't connected to the state system in that way where if you apply for a gun federally and you fill out all the paperwork correctly you say that you're not under indictment you fill it out all right you're not a convicted felon they will give you a firearm and then they don't realize that they're actually aiding and abetting you in possessing a firearm if you're under 24 so it's kind of a really crazy situation you would also think bread that they would it wouldn't be intent again there's that mens rea if I didn't know it how could I intend to do a crime or a violation of that very petty when I found the crime I of course I looked a little bit up about cone a quacking minor kid to me it's kids stuff but then when you told me the case would it's finally enough the paperwork it blew me away and I got more into it so here's another thing now we're gonna get into why he went to prison what he got and he ended up getting how many months we go to eight months 46 46 a little under four years a little under four years the average for this type of crime is about 18 months the reason why he scored so high and is because of his priors so he was a level three so if he was a level one at the same kind of distance he probably would have been in the 30s but the average is about 18 months the judge actually gave us a slight downward variance on this case because he was scoring 58 or 62 and the judge gave him a couple levels off to get him to the 46 months the government actually wanted to give him eight or nine years on this crime and and they said quote unquote we want to give him some tough love and and they wonder why communities of color and even commit regular communities people let's just say not affluence are really pissed off at the whole system because it's you know and why I fight for criminal justice is not only the disparaging we're gonna get into now what's going on in prison give me a quick rundown I know I followed this case a little bit through my Instagram what my son everybody knows who runs that he said pops you gotta check out this guy this Kodak like what's going on so I did look at some stuff and when I heard when he was down in Miami over in 70s I was down there I was in that building the Federal Detention Center is in downtown Miami and there's a big building right down there and I used to look down at the arena he actually had in my window - when I say window the windows of that big long it yeah so when when he was telling me about not getting medical care and how this system works it totally rang true that's why again I started look into this case bread and now when you told me one this young man was transferred and you know how they do that they take you on Conair they put your they pick you up at about 11:00 12:00 at night one at night they're pretty much hijacked you were kidnapped you actually complained to my attorney that I was kidnapped and they take you they process you they do the holding then they said you'd Oklahoma or wherever they gonna send you around the country for the transport and then they lose your legal work we call it diesel therapy and all of a sudden all your paperwork or your possessions everything is gone because you can't travel with anything in on Conair and now go into that what has been going on with him and where did he end up so he ended up in a Big Sandy Kentucky wait wait that's a penitentiary yes I was in a penitentiary correct this kid does not point as a penitentiary in any way shape or form right so I've got me a little confused too elaborate flasher so normally when you're charged with a white-collar crime when that this would be considered that because it's a it's a paperwork crime it's not it's not something of violence you usually get a medium or a low depending on your priors because Miami and we'll get into this afterwards but because Miami waited until he pled out his federal case to essentially charge him with the same kind of charge State case usually they don't do that because they do not obviously that's a point of order they really after this correct and and they usually don't do that they did that in this case he put a detainer on them though that detainer is like another small points for a points and that's how they determine whether or not you're a threat not a threat they look at your past criminal history and then listen to those you said he went to a penitentiary yes Big Sandy I know it I know it's a penitentiary I actually know people in that penitentiary I've been in Penitentiary's my life and here's the thing they probably not putting them on the yard are they so right now he's been he's been actually this is what's interesting he's been in secure housing since the inside my audience know we call and on this show we call it the hole but it's also called the shoe special housing unit we used to call it the Box the hole whatever go ahead so he's been in there since an incident in Miami and that incident was it does follow you let you know the system if you have a fight at this facility and you get a were a shot they call them or a incident report that shot let's just say the dho it's a disciplinary hearing officer gives you 60 days in the hole when you get transferred if you didn't pull your 60 days you will go to the hole or the shoe in that next prison happened to me a lot and all of a sudden you have to finish your whole time but go ahead so when when he was in Miami he had an incident where even the FBI who was at his sentencing hearing that the AUSA decided to put the FBI agent on to testify in assisting him to try and get these nine years that he wanted which I think was a huge tactical error I'm not an ad that just shows the come on we're not talking about murdering somebody getting knifing somebody we're talking about a guy filling out paperwork wrong yeah so he had here this FBI agent testify about an incident that happened at the miami-dade Correctional Institute where she even testified that all the witnesses have said that Kodak appeared he was under the influence they don't know how he got under the I know how you know in it and codex is that you know to his credit you know codex never really had a problem with with drugs it was always he's not shy around drinks and you know and that was part of his sentencing as well as whether or not he can get into what's known as the our debt program yeah oh yeah very well I helped a lot of guys maneuvered into that now I heard it's expanded used to be twelve months I did here it's longer now yeah so that's the good news and I think once he gets these these detainers off of me he's gonna qualify for this our debt program the problem is getting these these detainers off him because miami won't agree to a bond and that's a whole night let me back up here just one second more and in this interview is good because he hasn't a tape detainer for the same case so are they gonna try to get him after the case usually they handle these case in my case I was indicted in four different states and then federally obviously through the Hobbs Act into racketeering at the RICO Act and then the state's step aside and they give the cases to the Fed is the state not stepping aside correct actually it was just the opposite so this state originally and this is this is what's so so interesting this state and the feds got their indictments on this basically the same time even though the crime that they're alleging took place about five months before the indictments they waited five months to actually get the indictment and the feds did it because they wanted to arrest him at rolling loud it's pretty known that that's why they wanted to do it they wanted to make a splash it's a see me now moment in fact we filed a formal complaint against the miami-dade police officer who took a picture of him while he was in handcuffs at the police department they just responded to us that he took that picture in response to a request from the federal authorities who then took that picture and leaked it to the press so just yeah it wasn't hosted yes of course it was leaked to the press because if this doesn't sound at least on the face of it and obviously I'd love to interview the feds on this but they won't they won't doing it do you know and no one wants to look like a whiner or that you do not believe me when you told me a kid they want nine years for this this is like already you got me and some people are and I've had pushback from people that are like hey you know you know Kodak really should learn his lesson or you know the problem is is that it's not that Kodak should learn his lesson he understands that you know they're out to get him and that he has to even he has to walk a straighter line than you would if you were just an average individual that's the difference so if you get out of line one little bit it would be a lot different for Joe Bob to get in trouble than for Kodak to get in trouble but that being said so the state didn't said it didn't do anything but just wait for the federal case to be over well how did I know that they had a and what I call a hidden file so miami-dade filed a warrant for his arrest with the clerk of courts but if you looked up Kodak's name under the under the computer for the clerk of court it wouldn't come up the only way we found it was just by happenstance it was in a report that miami-dade had a warrant and it had a number there I found the number you really are feeling that you're feeding I won't take conspiracy there you're feeding which is okay listen this show you you're here how I do interviews or how I do reviews of shows is I let it all out I let my viewers decide what they believe or not and obviously as a man who understands the law and understands the system and how I was screwed in the system I see it and I and I wasn't celebrity at the time yeah at that point I was just a regular mobster and now at this point I look at how they can come after you and get you and now let's go cuz now he's in jail sure of course people and I think I'm gonna get his feedback as well why didn't he go to trial he's a celebrity he's got money he's got this sure but what people don't know is they don't even mobsters and stuff we didn't know stash our money we didn't do a lot of things and I'm sure you know that had a part to do it it might have cost them so much money to fight a case like this there's wait a minute I could do a few years you know it's not a big deal but not understanding what's going on now correct so now he's in Big Sandy yeah is he on the yard yeah you know no I'm still in secure housing and he's been in since September of 2019 so we're going on September October November December January February March April I was in a whole lot three years 11 straight months was my my longest stretch but I was in the hole for three years bread so I do understand that and here's this problem and I'll tell it right now I don't know if that warden is gonna let this young man on that yard for secure reasons obviously this kid does not point out he is a celebrity if he doesn't pay he doesn't do a lot of things I've seen what happens in those joints especially Penitentiary's we're not talking about even a medium and they get rough but you're talking about a penitentiary it's a whole different animal I was in Atlanta I was in USP Atlanta when we had 880 lifers and you know 2,000 inmates so check that out you know you hear in trouble this is gonna there's a lot of life is a big sandy can be a rough joint I know about it and are you pushing for him to let's before I even jump to that how is he being treated in the hole in the box yes shoe so up until about so I saw him when he first got to Big Sandy Kentucky everybody was very nice to me they we met him it was it was fine obviously was in his orange jumpsuit he's in his orange jumpsuit I haven't had a lot of contact with my ex-wife knows about those things you know I haven't had a lot of contact with him after that first meeting at Big Sandy because then he was like I said in secure housing you don't get phone privilege or video pretty once a month if they give it you and I'll go into that and I'm right and then he got transferred to New York to handle the New York case which is a whole nother thing because that is a way to MDC in New York it well estate case in all or sake you know Buffalo okay and he was charged and that's a hilarious case too because essentially he was starched with the same gun that he purchased in Florida he was charged in Buffalo the judge in Buffalo was like hey why don't we just dismiss the case of course the state attorneys are all state case would wreck the other scary soda cans no other why do you like the feds don't ruled okay no so the Buffalo State attorney who by the way was is running for judge oh right did not want to dismiss the case obviously didn't want that press that codec got a case dismissed and it really was a total [ __ ] case it is what it is but he resolved that for essentially time served he's gonna get it running concurrent I think he got 12 months to run concurrent with what he currently has so he resolved that case then he was transferred back to the big kentuc Big Sandy in Kentucky when he got back to Big Sandy I immediately started writing my emails again to the warden I wasn't hearing back until I started posting stuff on on Instagram his fans started writing things of that nature I got a call yesterday that uh two days ago that I could speak to him on the phone because we have pending legal issues and there's no way for me to contact him that I am legal right you know that denying counsels the Constitution right and then finally they contacted me and said that I could speak to him by phone they were very nice about it that's only said well let's jump back when did he get the brick sandy uh he got back to Big Sandy about three weeks ago what it's the beginning of April okay April and as taping of this show is April 22nd 21st 22nd right and you have spoken on once correct for and does he have other legal pending matter yes he's got many legal pending man obviously what where did a stand so the one in Miami we're preparing a motion to dismiss on for various reasons that's what I was kind of I was kind of alluding to in that they didn't cert they arrested him but they quote-unquote didn't serve him the warrant so they're arguing that speedy trial is not running while he while his federal case was kinda disagree with that yeah so do i and you knowing speedy trial I won a case on that yes so I I think that they was in the in the miami-dade Police Department custody for purposes of issuing the warrant they chose not to give him the warrant on purpose because they wanted to wait until that federal case this sound like a case of just let's screw this kid as much as we can yeah it really does and okay let's get back to his safety sure his issues at Big Sandy are you as his lawyer and his family and whoever pushing for him one to get transferred back you know the Bo P also has a clause is supposed to keep you within 500 miles right all of your residents obviously I don't think big Sandy's 500 miles I think about 100 yeah because I was transferred my Florida addresses Fort Lauderdale and I was transferred to Forrest City Arkansas Yazoo Mississippi right obviously they wanted to just keep screwing me but the same things happening here what are they saying about that they say insecure currently they send you the same I mean whenever you contact Bo P they send you the same essential email that says like we have internal policies we make decisions based on those internal policies we figure out where it's best to put an individual because of location or because of this now Big Sandy is not just 1,100 miles away because if it was 1,100 miles away and you're talking about being in the middle of Chicago I get out of plane I go to Chicago I can go see them Big Sandy is not 1,100 miles as the crow flies what it is is you have to fly into like Louisville then you rent the car from Louisville that sleep over there or Lexington and then drive two and a half hours Big Sandy when I tell you it's in the middle of nowhere I'm giving it credit there I know where it is here's the thing and you know this they sometimes first of all they don't care about you me anybody they're the government and we know that and you're in the big boys as I tell people in in my shows everything you could compare state and federal I'd love to be in a fence that's so not true feds are way worse because they don't care who you are how much money you have they don't care I was in both understand it in the states you kind of you're in your own state so you might know people there it's a little bit closer everything happens no matter what the feds when you get to the maximum-security prisons where he is that yeah it's a bad place because there's a lot a lot of violence a lot of death a lot of stuff what I've seen in I was in a lot of penitentiary from Lewisburg to Atlanta age field so here's another thing question so you're trying to get them out obviously you have who's applied for Altru have you gone one of course the prison then you go to the region and then you go to Washington correct yeah you file BP eight nine maybe tens be correct right out so right now we've gone to we've put in an email and a request at Big Sandy then we went to Prairie Texas which is the next level and next and they played every day out if they got 30 days answer correct you're gonna get it 29 days correct and then we get in just a reply that says hey we make the decision based on what we make the decision on and then that's all things ever change no so shame it's a shame it's a shame because I think that for the crime that he's charged with you know there's if Bo P follows Bo P rules and they're saying there are absolutely zero discretion that needs to be changed because if someone's charged with a very non violent crime and they have juvenile priors from when they're 12 and 13 years old and they have the detainers that we're trying to resolve but it's very difficult to resolve these detainers because one the Miami detainer hasn't even been served on them the warrant hasn't even been served if the warrant was at least served we could argue for some sort of bond so that the detainer wouldn't be on him is that big sandy but even though we don't get out like they'll let the viewers know they don't get out no warrant gets I mean the detainer gets lift and the seven points gets taken off and then he'd be lowered down to a medium I'm he should be there now obviously yeah it doesn't point out even with detainers I don't think I points out I don't think he does either I've asked them many times that file FOIA requests the FOIA requests are kind of you know it's one of those things that if you don't stay on top of a 4-year request they don't ignore it and ignore a follower they can't for here's another thing you know to give you a little option here I studied and I became an expert at the CFR which is codified your regulation what they have to do to a person when they're in the Shu now they've came down with law that they do have to file obviously to see if RS Code of Federal Regulations is set by what laws are passed by Congress then they set CFR and then they get the prison policies from the CFR they have to take Kodak black out of that hole every 30 days he has to be mentally evaluated and determined that he's not losing his cookie so to speak and here's why they do that and here's what they don't do they go around in a hole in the shoe and they'll come by your cell and say how you doing I used to say get the [ __ ] out of here what do you mean how am i doing I'm in the hole for nothing you put me here off what I was fighting I fought the prisoner forth the prison abuses of people dying so they didn't like that and they kept throwing me in the hole and trying to shut me up kind of what made me think about the codex case now when you're in the hole they have of course they're supposed to take you out by the law take you out and evaluate you they never do it there and that alone will constitute a lawsuit cruel and unusual punishment there are a couple of things do you have anything in the pike to go the next steps legally to get either him out of the Shu either or obviously on transferred and treated treated you mainly you know let's face it guys everybody out there what I talked prison abuses what I talk about they don't either follow their own policies they don't treat people like human beings and how do they go home at nights ain't nowhere a good guy you might not like the guy you might not like who he is you might not like obviously you know with his music and where he is let's face facts I don't think he's gonna be like because of who he is he's a black rapper and let's be honest about that so what's the next step legally so we have a couple things in the pipe like I don't want to disclose everything doesn't obviously I'm sure there's some people who are watching this and they're not Kodak fans but we have a couple things that we're working on civil and criminal in terms of motions that we're filing in the next couple weeks we will start you know getting those out and I think that they'll have an effect we've been a lot of people reached out to us a lot of well-known individuals reached out to us to see if they could help us at least move him closer to Florida so his family can see him and also not to mention so the the whole thing with the secure housing that I think is interesting is he did get a shot for that fight that he got in Miami obviously they also want to try and charge them with that crime I'm sure Wow been shaky there unless there's a weapon involved and even with a weapon right I have not seen unless someone's actually killed or listen I've done so many things in Yemen that it's very hard for me to believe for any kind of fight with nobody dying or nobody really seriously getting hurt then they get out they call an outside charge yeah my feeling is is that gonna they're gonna try to I haven't confirmed has he been to the D H oh no not yet hasn't even been to the DA Cho on that case whoa first the shot you mean yeah yes yeah yeah and though he got he got the shot and appeal it he has an appeal that yet he's going to last time you know it's a time thing correct was he got six months in secure housing the issue is is that he's been in secure housing since September they're not giving him credit from the time that he's been in secure housing from September they're giving him a fresh six months so the time he was in from September to now which is eight months he's not getting credit out of shame they're really screwing this kid yeah they're doing everything they can to make it very difficult I don't think they're gonna let him on a yard for in his were they and did their wording is gonna be for the safe and orderly running of the institution they don't even have to feed you three times a day legally they can feed you twice you know I love the line oh they're supposed to get wrecked you know every day we give an hour wrecked out in the yard for an hour and first we go into a dog cage that's ten by 20 and that's supposedly it is sometimes out in fresh air even if it's a screen over it but here's the case they oftentimes suspend that for the safe and orderly running of the institution and I guarantee because of the coronavirus they're totally understaffed and everything else and they're not gonna do that degage is not gonna give them their rec they're gonna obviously not give him their razors and everything they need to do legally to make you a human being and psychology wise they he is actually a great candidate bred for being released because of the Kona virus nonviolent paperwork offense and stuff of that nature is that been it is that been approached yeah we've approached that as well we're looking at not that I could see it's not nothing we've looked into it as well and the thing is is that I and I and you speak about that it's kind of interesting because I just did another four-year request to find out how many people were released from this New York Jail where Michael Cohen was released because I'm trying to figure I mean I have other clients codex out my only clue obviously and I try to help everybody you know I have a client that I was that at ten years ago well obviously looking you up bread you're a top-notch attorney in all Florida which look and I looked up you're obviously want to do an interview like this I look who they are look up the law look friends that I know the law your you're one of the best attorneys in all Florida's or anybody's out there you need attorney I'm sure you're in probably on a bar another state yeah yeah sure New York wash New York wash they all but so obviously you're learning every day more and more sure how to handle these sources I gave you the suggestion of right and certain politicians and stuff and putting an investigation on to that prison right because that does help because they hate it they hate when you are because by law they have to do certain things with Congress many Congress letters and political figures and stuff even you legal work when you send legal work you know they have to get it to them that's the sign for it in certain things so I'm hoping your inundating him with legal order because you have to not against the prison no because you legally have to cuz you have a client to represent correct and at this point how do I tell my my audience or where help we follow this case more well I always give updates on my Instagram I try to let everybody know because your instagrams below you and put that there and I try to let everybody know what's going on on the case not just his case but other cases is a cop bread if you want his contact information or is Twitter or anything just is in the links below everybody and and you know I I know he's a lot of fans and he wants and people want to know what's going on with him so I was a fan g-iii I did read jay-z's involved that read some other prefect there's some big people that have conned did me that have asked if they can help and like we're just trying to organize it so that it comes out the best way possible and and by the way and like when we discuss this originally when you said like hey a lot of people just know what they read about Kodak they don't know Kodak as well as I know Kodak and I can tell you like you know what you read about someone what is on paper and this goes for any defendant the defendants are not what's on the paper like everybody's a person you know and when you start talking to these people when you start finding out what makes them tick like it's amazing and he does things anonymously like he's donated masks anonymously he's done all these things and honestly that he doesn't even want me to say where when how he pays for funerals he pays for a police officer funerals he donates to fallen officer funds all these I'm so glad you got that out and the thing is and he doesn't ever want to take credit for that stuff the only time he ever it ever comes out in the press is either I force him to say hey listen like you've got to at least tell people the good that you're doing because they're only getting one side absolutely of who you are as I tell people thread you know every person in prison as a mother or father or sister brother or they are a father to somebody so they have a daughter or a son as somebody either it's a human being right did people make mistakes or people perfect we all know they're not I obviously made my mistakes I talk about it all the time on this channel and everybody who writes me and emails me has a story like that and to see somebody getting this kind of treatment is really so on American and as I say all the time on this channel this prison system in this criminal justice we need it so bad because you're seeing no matter how much money you have no matter how much celebrity you might have you can run into the wrong people and boy they're gonna ruin your life and if it was not for attorneys like Brad and people like myself who are trying to fight for those things it doesn't get out there and they keep putting their foot on your neck as we used to call it and we used to fight from inside but we had such a small voice but with guys like Brad and attorneys like that and Glen rod or men and guys like I know those are the people that are gonna fight for us and do the right thing by people so brave in closing what do you want to say just that you know in in this case in Kodak's case I really feel that you know everyone deserves a fair shake everyone deserves to be treated fairly and it's not that you know someone whines about someone someone complains about it it's just it's system overall we're not just looking at Kodak's case in a in an enclosed box its how everyone should be treated everybody should be treated with the level of respect they should be offered sentences that are reasonable for the crimes they they commit and that's and that's all it really should be should be done on these cases you know the federal system works in a way that it works and sometimes it's not the most perfect system in the world I'll be first to stand up and say it's not the most perfect system in the world but there's discretion that's built in that is that can be used likely where's Washington right and I want a case when I was in there no so you know sentencing guidelines are not mandatory in those cases absolutely so you know we all know that there's discretion that that's involved and and it's not just discretion on the judges part it's also discretion on a US Attorney's part on the AUSA part like those are the people who are all to in my mind are the ones who have untethered power right now well they just need to take a look at a case they need to take a look at the case and really weigh out what it is take a look at the person see the person in the whole picture don't just don't just rubber-stamp it and say hey he scores 48 months I'm gonna give him 25% off and that's what I'm gonna do and blah blah blah don't have any set things like that actually take well you know there's an old saying and I used to bait this I have a lot of judge friends now and we'll golf and we'll do things and I always tell them listen the problem with the prosecutors a SI or a state or whatever it's not about winning loser for them it shouldn't be but a lot of them it is right it should be about getting a fair sentence and protecting society when he listen I'm the first to say I deserve to be in prison I went to prison for a long time I was a wild guy but you know people change so and then when you look at this young man at 22 years old you're putting such a hardship on his life I want him to make it out of there and I want him to come come out of it better he went in and this is not how you do it no no that no that's not how you do it and I do want to tell you you know and his judge in this case judge Moreno was it was actually he went out of his way I think to be to be as fair as he could given the circumstances that no one he knows I think you know I think that that's our why I said a lot of times I don't blame the judges no I'm in Florida juries I blame the prosecutors who I think especially federal yeah that have untethered power I mean and and and discretion to do whatever they want whether it's wiretaps and this and we all know about what's going on about that and around the world so I want to make sure our audience knows all about Kodak black Brad thank you so much Larry I want to thank you man for coming here and talking about this case in such a positive way and showing that people do change and let's hope he does change his life and let's get him out of life keep fighting from bread I want to thank you very much for doing this ladies and gentlemen man just check it out you can go to Brad's Instagram follow the case there it's in the links below make sure you check out our membership programs keep keep up the emails keep up all the communications with everybody a lot of respect for everybody out there this is what we're here for when we hit that million mark we're gonna really do something big i ladies and gentleman followed a case larry out [Music]

Channel: Larry Lawton

Views: 665,859

Rating: 4.9313436 out of 5

Keywords: rap, prison, kodak black, rappers, lawsuit, prison reform, lawton, slammer, brad cohen, prison sentence, kodak black prison, gangster redemption, kodak black sentencing, kodak black sentence, kodak black news, prison abuse, kodak black now, kodak black court, kodak black life, kodak black abuse, sentencing reform, kodak black arrest, kodak black lawyer, kodak black lawsuit, kodak black 4 point, kodak black penetentary, kodak black then, kodak black release, freekodak

Id: NFVW8efKrIA

Length: 42min 41sec (2561 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 28 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/PresidentJonStewart]

The guy doing the interview is Larry Lawton. He's a former jewel thief, who spent time in federal prison and is now advocating for prison reform as a result of the abuses he experienced/witnessed in federal prison. I'm just a fan of his channel. It's amazing how fucked up the prison systems are in the U.S.

[u/Kn0thingIsTerrible]

Why is Kodak Black in maximum security prison?

Well, first he was arrested for robbery. Then battery. Then kidnapping. Then drug dealing. Then possessing stolen weapons. Then fighting police officers. Then armed robbery. Then he violently raped and beat a woman. Then he beat his anger management coach. Then he live-streamed himself aiming yet another stolen gun at children while smoking a blunt while on house arrest. Then he tried to smuggle stolen guns into the United States from Canada. Then he assaulted a cop in prison.

He’s twenty-two years old and received almost no jail time for any of this. This is probably why he’s in maximum security prison.

[u/aRadioKid]

What do y’all expect. Mans has continually messed up time and time again. He basically asked for this

[u/Sickem_roy]

Walter