Why Is Karl Marx So Popular In Universities?

i never thought that i would be talking about why they shouldn't support communism i thought we would have learned that lesson over 30 years ago how would you define socialism common ownership of the means of production so historically socialism that's what it is ussr union of soviet socialist republics it's the final transitionary step to communism do you think america is eventually going to get to point of losing citizens possibly i mean ronald reagan said if we lose freedom here there's no place to escape to this is the last stand on earth well it's true if we lose freedom here where else are we going to go to in fact ronald reagan came from an era where people could disagree but you get this kind of mob media platform this culture of intimidation of cancel and it starts going after people and i find that one of the more disturbing things about america today and also two people just aren't well read they're not taking the time to research things but this is the kind of culture that we're in 30 plus years after the collapse of communism we should not be having the debate as to whether or not communism is bad and the fact that we are shows we're really in trouble as a country [Music] we have a special guest with us here today he is paul kanger who is the best-selling author professor historian and commentator and we're going to focus on two topics today one topic is going to be karl marx which he wrote a book that just came out i think august of 2020 a few months ago thousand plus reviews on amazon it's been a big hit it's called the devil in karl marx communism's long march of death deception and infiltration and we're going to focus on a second individual in today's interview and that is reagan ronald reagan which he paul wrote a book called the crusader ronald reagan in the fall of communism in 20 2006 which is turning into a movie starring dennis quit it's going to have jon voight and a lot of other folks in a great lineup of uh but it's based on the book that my guest today wrote with that being said paul thank you so much for being a guest on by team well thank you patrick i'm very impressed with you your background and it's um it's it's a joy to be with you thanks thank you you know i've watched your videos and the way you explain things i i told you this off uh you know before the interview getting started i said you're extremely necessary today and i hope the audience gets a lot out of our interviews so you know paul if we can start what makes somebody like you want to a historian can study a lot of different things it can be war some are world war one some two some it's a different war some it's military some it's history having to do with different characters but why the focus on karl marx and ronald reagan well that's a good question patrick so i it goes it goes back to i'd say my kind of formative years in college i was in college in the late 1980s i went to the university of pittsburgh where i where i was pre-med and i i worked for the organ transplant team at the university of pittsburgh so i know you probably didn't expect me to say this right this to be part of my answer but but i was i the doctor thomas starzel was the organ transplantation pioneer they did 80 to 90 of the world's organ transplants at the university of pittsburgh in the 1980s so so i was there right so this is this is my life this is my career this is where i'm going i'm going to go to medical school i i i worked 30 hours a week while i was in college for three years and then when i graduated i worked full time did research on immunology anti-rejection drugs but it was 1988 1989 and it was the collapse of communism the end of the cold war the end of the reagan presidency mikhail gorbachev margaret thatcher pope john paul ii lek valessa in poland vaclav havel and czechoslovakia the solidarity movement the iran contras the mujahideen in afghanistan all this stuff right so i was really intrigued by it and well i could say a lot i don't want to go off on too much of a tangent but i i'll tell you i was non-political i was non-ideological and i knew all these great debates were going on around me i started following them i started paying attention i wrote a letter to the editor to the student newspaper which was called the pit news which was a daily newspaper published four days a week monday through thursday the editor said hey i i really like this i'm gonna i'm gonna run this as an article if you don't mind and he ran it as an article it was called by the way it was about the homeless and as a as a science major a non-political person non-ideological person i heard these people on campus who i was told were were liberals right and they were blaming the homeless problem on ronald reagan and i thought how is this year was this what year was this when you wrote this just would have been 1988 1989 got it so the liberals are blaming ronald reagan homeless continue i'm sorry right right so so i did a little research on it like a science major would do right so i tried to find out i read some different publications i talked to some homeless people i called the local homeless shelter and i asked the lady at the local homeless shelter i said hey um so i'm doing some research on this as a student i asked her a bunch of questions and then at the end of this patrick at the end at the end of the interview i said okay so why is this ronald reagan's fault and she said young man ronald reagan's fault these people are mentally ill i don't know what they're teaching you at that university right well i know they're not all mentally ill but this was her response right and and and so i wrote this up in the student newspaper for the students they published it as a column and i got called a racist probably for the first time in my life right i got called a fascist my so the next article that i wrote by the way this is symptomatic of i think me and you both right when they attacked me i didn't crawl under a rock i said i said damn it that's not right right um i'm gonna respond to this so i wrote another article on on arming the contras in nicaragua which i thought seemed like a common sense thing to do i don't know why people on campus were protesting this why wouldn't you oppose communism i wrote that piece and i got called a nazi of all things a nazi right a fascist i remember my father picking me up from from class on a friday afternoon give me a ride home he said hey how's that newspaper column thing going that you're doing i said oh pretty pretty good dad i said you know this is amazing i got called a nazi for the last column i wrote he said a what i said a nazi a nazi i still remember him looking at me in the car a nazi yeah i said yeah yeah he said what are you writing about hitler i said no i'm not writing about hitler dad i said there's these people on campus they're called liberals and when you disagree with them they savage you they call you the worst names in the book they're calling me all these different names and he said well you know hang in there i said oh i'm going to hang in there so i continued to write and then pretty soon i ended up becoming the campus conservative the editorial page editor they call me all these different names and here's the big picture to kind of long answer to your question it was the end of the cold war it was the collapse of communism it was 1989 so this is what i wrote about and i became really really intrigued with the end of the cold war communism all these different ideologies and long process i'll sum this up in 30 seconds this was long and agonizing but i decided not to go to medical school to instead go to graduate school i went to american university in washington the school of international service and took up studying international affairs the soviet union eastern europe the middle east i teach middle east politics to this day at grove city college in grove city pennsylvania and and i that became sort of my calling i guess that's what i started writing books on and i started writing books specifically in the collapse of communism the reagan presidency end of the cold war and patrick i thought i'd be writing from communism from a historical perspective right this is bad this is evil here's how many people this ideology killed so forth i never thought that in the year 2021 i would be talking about i'm trying to teach people why this is bad why they shouldn't support communism i thought we would have learned that lesson over 30 years ago let me let me ask you this by the way uh powerful right there on your testimony how you came about what a timing 8889 reagan communism clashed and it makes sense to why wanting to study those two figures but question for you 88.89 versus today 88.89 we didn't see what happened on campus there was no videos that somebody was protesting against you we didn't see any of that that was taking place around the country we didn't see that hardcore liberal the media would have to go there to record it versus today how big of a difference is it between 88 89 versus 2020 2021 well i started seeing a lot of this stuff back then and that was when the very first article by dinesh d'souza on the cover of atlantic monthly right which is the atlantic magazine and that was his book ill liberal education that was sort of the start of the political correctness movement and it's funny that we're having this conversation i i'm a senior editor for the american spectator i'm writing the history of the american spectator which i read in the late 1980s and i was going back through that period 89 90 and i and and and i went back and grabbed from an old box in my basement the articles that i wrote for my student newspaper and the last one that i wrote was titled something like um favorite columnist which is like a sarcastic thing right says goodbye to some unthoughtful words not with some unthoughtful words to some unthoughtful words and i went through words like fascists nazi racist homophobe hater you could get called all these words even if you weren't these things right just for simply opposing liberals and leftists on on this stuff so this sort of demonization of opponents that was already going on i i think the difference now what's so dangerous and sad about the current period is because of social media and media platforms today you can really get a quite literal right twitter mob against somebody yep and you know people can come after you and mass by the thousands and millions and there just wasn't that sort of you know alacrity speed of protest of organizing that that you that you see today but um but that but that stuff was out there back then and i remember too one more june 1989 um two things in june 1989. the um the people of poland held free and fair elections all right which had been promised at yalta in 1945 44 years later all right that same week everybody forgets was this was the same week tiananmen square happened in china and i remember the chinese students on my campus university of pittsburgh who came up to me as the conservative that they knew of on the student newspaper and they said we're looking to demonstrate we're looking to hold a protest we want some people to march with us how do we find the protesters and i kind of laugh patrick cause i thought you know these guys aren't going to protest this right i mean they're protesting arming the contras you know they're protesting apartheid in south africa right but they're not on the streets protesting what's going on in tiananmen square and these poor kids they protested they marched alone and they marched alone on pit campus they had paper bags over their heads to conceal their identities they wore bandanas over their mouth so so the regime back home wouldn't know who they were but that was one of those lessons too that the american left man on a dime they would protest what was happening in chile under pinochet right years earlier under cuba under batista in the 50s right what was going on in south africa but you get you know a communist crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in beijing you know if you pressed them and said this is bad right they might say yeah it's bad but they weren't they weren't marching in the streets over it you know so so a lot of that stuff that we're seeing today was around it's been around for years let me let me ask you so i got three questions for you so let me write down the third one so i can kind of uh uh uh get to it here okay so number one question is the following when i was in the army they told me when you go in as much as i used to curse a lot because i you know pre-25 i cursed i was a cursing machine so when you go in the army you know how they say they curse like you know you curse like a sailor or you know all that stuff everybody dropped the f-bomb and when i tell you f-bomb it was like every other award like adjective adverb noun it doesn't matter what it was right i grew up with guys like that yeah okay so i was one of those guys yeah yeah i gotta tell you paul after about a couple weeks i never heard the f word anymore like i couldn't even hear it so i get out of the army i'm working at valley total fitness and chatsworth my friend at the time fernando says pat do you know how foul of a language you gotta say what do you mean he says every other word out of your mouth is and you're talking to customers like this like let me see what i can often get you and i know hey what's up mother so go on you just did it again i'm like oh she says you may want to kind of if you want to kind of become a manager here one day you got to clean up your language so you know what i wasn't aware of it so i kind of worked on it here's my point do you think the weight behind the word nazi racist bigot has lost its weight because everybody's thrown around nowadays where it no longer has the weight at once hand or do you think it still carries weight yeah it it it should it should carry far less weight and and i i mean especially today where you know you can get called that for anything for any reason and this is something that i i've tried to tell liberal friends of mine for years right you call somebody a fascist right well watch out because when the real mccoy comes along someday no one's going to believe you when you call out somebody who's really a fascist you call everyone a racist no one's going to believe you when someone comes along who's genuinely a racist and by the way i say this to conservative friends a lot just because someone's a liberal you disagree with them don't call him akami right you know you know communism is a very unique specific thing you know you might call him a radical lefty right call him a lefty crazy call him a loony left something like that but but you know don't fling that kind of language around both sides need to be more careful and thoughtful about their rhetoric and their names but the left in particular i mean you know i've had people people say to me i've heard this i've heard this more in the past six months or so especially after the trump administration right um that people just simply no longer take that charge of racist seriously because the left has absolutely so abused it and annihilated it that it doesn't carry the weight that that uh that it should yeah it's funny you say that i had uh david horowitz on you know david horowitz yeah he was a pretty well known grove city college yeah a couple years ago amazing yep yeah i had him on and he kept saying everybody the democrats are coming as i said you can't say that he says i'm telling you they're coming out i don't believe every one of them is because we're losing them he says everybody keeps saying so anyways we had a nice interesting conversation together on because i agree with you on the fact that we're also labeling everybody not everybody's in the same box second question for you on this side here so for me as a person that's a business owner i'm an entrepreneur i have to always get to the bottom of the issue because you can fix issues on the surface it keeps reappearing but you got to get to the bottom of the route to figure out exactly why this issue keeps surfacing so you said this has been going on for a while okay so i'm 42 okay i came to the states november 20 28 1990 which means i don't know pre november 29 matter of fact i didn't even follow politics for quite some time so go even past that right if this has been going on forever has this been going on forever as in since biblical times pre-biblical times meaning are we always going to go through this 20 years from now 40 years from now 80 years from now 300 years from now 800 years 1 000 years or not because it's a cyclical cycle of one person makes the money the other one says it's unfair he feels envious let's take the money and give it to everybody also it's a constant pendulum that will go through and it's never ending or is it any way different today than it was before 40 years from now 80 years from now 100 years from now 500 years from now 500 years ago well i i do think it's worse now than ever and it's getting worse but like for example yesterday in class i teach a course on marxism we were talking about the hollywood ten and every single member of the hollywood ten was was a was a member of communist party usa we had their five-digit communist party usa numbers in fact they were presented before the members of uh hollywood 10 when they were speaking to congress october and november 1947. house committee and un-american activities john howard lawson who was one of the worst of them when he was called in to testify after telling all of his liberal friends in hollywood humphrey bogart lauren bacall um you know danny kaye kelly some judy garland some of these wonderful actors and actresses who by the way were liberals right they were not communists right they were progressives but he was telling them i'm not a communist these right-wing fanatics in washington d i yeah i'm not that i'm not yeah i'm like you so he got up there and he testified before congress and they said mr lawson here on this billboard here on this um poster board here's your communist party usa number here's all the checks you wrote out to communist party usa here's your dues here's your application and and john howard lawson patrick anyway did he kind of start in his seat and he yelled nazis right this is like this is like the reichstag fire in berlin he just started calling him names right he just started calling and these guys all that they had done was exposed him as being a communist so what did he do he called him all these names probably called him a homophobe if that name had existed back then right so so you see this among the the kind of extreme left for quite some time i'll go back a little further karl marx um i spent a lot of time on this in in the devil and karl marx marx and these marxists like to say that business people are are capitalists who are obsessed with money right um no guys like marx and marxists and communists they're the ones who are obsessed with money that's all that these guys think about you you read some of marx's anti-semitic statements they are chilling right it says things like what is the worldly god of the jew money what does the jew worship haggling and i read that and i think to myself no carl you're the one that worships money right you're the one that's obsessed with money you're so obsessed with money that you can't even think enough about your own money you think about everybody else's money right you you want you want a central government to come in and forcibly take it and redistribute it so it's funny oftentimes when they're yelling at you haters screaming at them and you're thinking i'm not hating at all i've got a smile on my face while you're talking to me they're projecting on to you what they're really feeling and they do that a lot with um with with money and attacking people with property and attacking capitalists a lot of this is a sort of self-projection it's almost psychological by some of these individuals paul what was communism called pre-communism that's a good question and the i had a i had a professor in graduate school who used to like to say that the jacobins were the first communists right and so the jacobins of course were there in revolutionary france beheaded 40 000 people by guillotine in one year between 1793 and 1794 and and of all things today in the american left one of the more popular avant-garde ideological magazines is called the jacobin and they have a little meme with with uh with a guillotine it's nothing to laugh about right nothing to laugh about but marx and engels in 1848 published the communist manifesto and that the communist manifesto was the official programmatic statement or manifesto of the communist league in that day which is made up of about 48 people all germans all men with the exception of marx's wife i think she was the only woman in the group so at that point in time and people tried to pin down when who first used the word communism the great richard pipes the the harvard historian said that he believed it was coined in paris in the 1840s i don't know exactly for sure but marx and ingles met in paris in the 1840s and uh and they published the communist manifesto in 1848. got it so so now before we talk about carl before we talk about reagan let's focus on carl here so who was carl growing up family parents upbringing you know school how was he in school what stories do we need to know about him on that influenced him to become who he ended up becoming with writing the book with english communist manifesto yeah he was he was born in germany may 5th 1818. so trier is spelled like trier t-r-i-e-r and it was it was one of the most religious cities in all of germany um very heavily roman catholic in fact the ancient cathedral in trailer was built in the 320s the 320s not the 1320s the 320s around the year 330 and it was built financed by helena saint helena the mother of constantine of all things who made a pilgrimage to the holy land and came back with all sorts of artifacts she believes that she found the actual cross that christ was crucified on the actual crown of thorns which to this day allegedly exi allegedly is the cross of thorns that's in notre dame in paris and she even believes that she found the holy robe which was the the robe that christ wore on the way to the crucifixion that the roman soldiers cast lots for at the at the at the feet at the feet of christ of the crucifix that holy robe is in the cathedral and trier so marx grows up in a very very religious city his father the family was jewish many rabbis in the family background pretty faithful family father converted to lutheranism probably at least in part under the social pressures of the day but the father always believed in god patrick and he even said he would tell carl he'd say you know believing in god is a good thing for a young man carl right it gives you some accountability something beyond yourself a sense of ethics right kind of a sense of absolute something that you could follow carl was baptized around the age of five 1823 1824 became a fairly passionate christian through his teen years and then fled the faith in college where probably the biggest influence in college was a very anti-semitic theology professor that he had named bruno bauer who was such a bad theology professor that that the other the other faculty members ran him out of the college he was he was teaching heresy and so so bruno bauer and his favorite student karl marx together in 1841 started what they called an archives of atheism a a journal of atheism which quickly folded because they couldn't get any support for it but at that point he was um he pretty much put religion behind him in the 1840s and became a pretty uh militant aggressive atheist after that was there a follow-up between him and his dad and his parents or no oh yeah what was the following what happened i i quote a chilling letter in in the devil and karl marx i think it was march 2nd 1837 march 1837 and it's a letter between marx and his father and uh the father is very harsh toward him in that letter and i i really think it's excessively harsh but but the marx loved his father admired his father and after that the father died not long after that and marx from there on looked to his parents while his mom primarily for money marx was horrible about making money an absolute deadbeat dad who would not provide for his wife would not provide for his children both his mother and his wife expressed the wish that carl would start earning some capital instead of just writing about capital he sent his wife out begging for money to his wife's in-laws uh carl went to his own in-laws the the only way that that marx was able to do what he did was was because of friedrich ingalls because engels inherited a pile of money from his capitalist wealthy industrialist father and and ingalls became marx's sugar daddy his subsidizer and frankly ingles was pretty sick of it too the way that carl all the time was was pumping them for money constantly mark marx refused to earn or earn a living the the family his wife jenny jenny's family was so upset at carl's refusal to make any money that the family lent their nursemaid a girl named helene demuth who had grown up with jenny the family loaned her out to carl and jenny and they called they called her lynchin carl refused to pay her a penny and and in fact carl got her pregnant behind jenny's back and then lynchin helene had a baby carl refused to admit that the child was his and of course refused to pay the child a penny a penny of child support so you know the time the type of world that marx was looking to create would have been a world where where the government took care of somebody like carl well he sat around on his butt with carbuncles and boils and refusing to bathe and never earned a dollar i mean that's the type of world that that he was looking to create for himself what was his logic like what was his motive and logic behind that way of thinking in his own personal life yes and the way he was like i'm not i'm brief he's going to help out my wife you know anybody what was his logic to say i'm not moving people need to take care of me not me taking care of them was it because he felt he was above people or because he felt people owed him something because of being mistreated of what what was it i don't think it was the latter he did feel that people owed him something he was he was very bitter and he was very angry and and superior to others oh yeah i mean marx was it was hard for marx ever to keep a friend he eventually ran afoul of everybody um i quote some of the vitriol between him and mikhail bakunin who wrote god on god the state in revolution no i'm messing that up but but who was a another militant atheist and said oh here's carl flinging his bile at me now like he does at everybody and ingalls was one of the only people who hung with him and in fact when when engel's mistress died ingalls ingalls did not believe in marriage so he refused to marry any of the women that he lived with but he loved this woman and carl wrote him a note where i mean even the mark's biographers the hagiographers the people who like mark say oh this was really offensive this was a low blow by marx mark's in the first one or two three lines acknowledges the death of ingles um girlfriend and then gets on to the next 20 30 lines with a more important question of asking ingles for more money and engels was so offended by this he wrote back this diatribe letter even my capitalist friends show more sympathy than you and and he almost cut marks off permanently at that point but he came to realize that marx was this is how marx was right what was thought about himself what was engel's reasoning for wanting to financially support marx what was what's in it for him yeah the cause the cause of communism and when ingalls first met marx he he referred to him in a poem as the monster of ten thousand devils the monster of ten thousand devils and he talks about this poem this black man from trier right he's using black here in the in the sense of darkened right like like darkened figure this foreboding presence we had the strange allure too and engel's faith story is much more complicated he had grown up a christian never really wanted to leave the faith and always had this kind of so he felt carl like pulling him over to the dark side almost but they formed this partnership the communist manifesto i quote in the book mark's um ingalls writing to marx carl give a little more thought to the communist confession of faith i think we should drop the catechetical form and just call it the manifesto so they even talked about this document that they were writing in religious like language so this became something deeper for them this was their calling right this this was their vocation this was this was like almost a religious enterprise to them and they hung in there and became lifetime partners and wrote pretty much um everything together uh what the good stuff that's written about marx who wrote it and what good things did they say about marx well all the recent marx biographers over the past 20 years are all pretty much hagiographers right they just they idolize the guy these are like biographies for saints they they and and you really got to go through and kind of pull out the stuff from all of these to put together the puzzle it's so it's amazing at the stuff that they ignore they ignore all of all of marx's poetry about the devil which is what i focus on quite a bit but earlier marxist biographers and historians talked about it including um robert gee why can't i think of his name that's terrible but his biography of marx 1968 he published robert payne um simon and schuster new york university press nyu press but but but the marxist biographers today they tend to go very easy on them because they like marx marx is their guy and they're writing kind of uh how do they paint them what picture are they painting with them like even let's say they're trying to write sell them as a this figure who wanted to take care of the little guy how did they sell him like what stories do they have to say that one time he saw a bird and it was on the ground hurt and he picked them up and brought him home and fed him for three months and built the ring and he winged and he flew off like is there and what stories are they telling about him yeah that's a good question i i mean the these are in many way love letters in fact one of the mark's biographers recent ones her name is mary gabriel and she wrote i think it's called love and capital which is a biography of karl marx and his wife and and i got that and i thought how can this be a valentine right i mean how in any way it'd be fair to gabriel she does talk about some of the sordid stuff the bad stuff the cheating um you know mark's not fulfilling his role as a husband letting down jenny but at the same time you know she really drills down and accentuates and focuses on the nicer things about them so she doesn't ignore everything some other marx biographers though they're they're pretty bad i'll give you an example i don't want to call this guy out by name but but i focus on a moment between marx and a guy named carl heinzen who was a fellow socialist and and mark's like corners heinzen in his apartment and hindson said he was staring at me with the eyes of a wet goblin right he almost described in certain demonic terms we had just drank a couple bottles of wine marx wouldn't let me out of the apartment and and marx is like taunting me and and this guy heinz and finally said if you don't get out of my way i'm going to throw you down and he had to slam marks down and you know break out of the apartment got outside went down the steps got outside and marx is like yelling at him from the apartment window this biographer who tells this story his first name is francis he tells it he thinks it's charming he thinks the story is charming and i read that and i thought what the what the hell how can i how could anybody you know i'm literally thinking hell i mean the guy's describing marx in like demonic terms eyes like men marks like men or no was he attracted to men i don't i have never seen that okay i'm curious i know i don't i don't know but how anybody how two people this is how two people could look at something and one could say oh man this is chilling this is all the other guys like oh how charming but i i i think it's the other guy's fault i know i'm biased too but i look at that and i don't think this isn't charming this isn't funny yeah so let me let me let me go a little bit deeper in this so now if you can just give us an idea about what was the basic fundamental foundation of marxism or communism well marx and ingles said the entire communist theory or program may be summed up in a single sentence abolition of private property so there you go i mean that's so if you had marx and ingles in the room and said hey um in one sentence describe communism they say well that's easy we did in the communist manifesto right the entire communist theory may be summed up in the single sentence abolition of private property um beyond that they had other basic little definitions mark said communism begins where atheism begins and here if i may read just a couple of bullet points this is marx and the manifesto marx and ingles and the manifesto communism represents the most radical rupture in traditional relations by the way which it sure does they acknowledge that communism quote seeks to abolish the present state of things right seeks to abolish the present state of things of all things right i mean this is key because we're going from abolition of private property to abolishing the present state of things so people who think and and young people say this in surveys well communism is a pretty good idea i mean they talk about love and sharing and sharing the wealth no read the book they talk about abolishing the present state of things these guys aren't tinkerers they're not talking about like increasing tax rates right they're not talking about adding a couple programs to the to the welfare state abolish the present state of things what does that mean to you what does that mean to you well it in in the in the case of when you read the the totality of what they're writing it's it is truly a totalitarian philosophy and totalitarian in the strictest sense of the word a fundamental transformation of human nature i mean they are really looking to to redefine human nature the final paragraph of the communist manifesto everybody remembers workers of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your chains they write this in the final paragraph the communists openly declare that their ends can be attained only by now listen to this only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions okay our ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions i mean you and i right we we we know this is as scholars and intellectuals you never say all about anything right you might say um communists call for for the forcible overthrow of those things in society which are unjust right they want the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions and it marks um here's one more phrase in the manifesto close of the manifesto last page of the manifesto communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things now you hear that and you think to yourself this explains a lot right you might be watching a particular rally on tv a riot or whatever anything why is that guy there with a hammer and sickle what does that have to do with communism wait they're protesting the unjust death of george floyd what's the communists doing there what does that have to do with communism well if whatever is going on right is some sort of movement against the existing social and political order of things these guys will be there right i mean they'll team up if if it's redefining marriage or gender or whatever else something that might you might think doesn't have anything to do with capitalism or anything that these guys could have thought of in the 1840s if it's about redefining and annihilating the existing and social political order of things they'll be there paul do you think he wrote this book with angles for them to experience the power themselves or was it because i read somewhere where when this book was taken by you know lennon stalin all those guys it was almost like they wanted to take ownership for what this could happen but carl couldn't fulfill his own prophecy what was his long-term aspiration of writing this book so the book came out in 1848 so he had been 30 years old he died in 1883. ingalls died a little bit after that so you know he lives for 35 years after the publication of the book and he talks in some of his glowing moments about how communism will allow for him to fish in the morning farm in the afternoon raise cattle in the evening criticize after dinner right he talks about in this very utopian language as to whether he would have lived to see it if he believed he lived to see it i don't know but but you know he talked about communism as this dialectical march of history this inevitable march this is part of the point of communism this is inevitable they believe this is the inevitable logic in march of history in fact ingalls called it they called it scientific socialism and and engels said in his eulogy for marx at marx's funeral he said this is the darwin of the social sciences he has done for the social sciences what darwin did for evolutionary biology this is a natural evolution of history so history would have would evolve from feudalism slavery from feudalism and slavery to capitalism to socialism to communism right so socialism would be the final transitionary step to communism lenin and the bolsheviks they get into power lenin at one point in january 1917 was depressed he said i don't think i'll live to see the revolution in my lifetime and then america declared war world war one woodrow wilson april 2nd got a war declaration in congress april 6 1917 the czar abdicated and the germans put lenin on a box car and let him pass through dropped him in the middle of saint peter's square and by october of 1917 the bolsheviks had their revolution so um and marx and lenin and stalin and these guys they believed lenin wrote a number of important articles and statements on this they believed that the revolution needed a vanguard a regime a cadre a group of individuals a kind of an anointed group to raise the consciousness of the masses and the workers right you couldn't just wait for this to transcend for this to evolve no we got to abolish this now we got to abolish that now we got to get to work we got to take power got it so if you if you're looking at it right now and you were to say the following countries are full on communism what would you say is full-on communism based on their definitions castro's cuba the the castro brothers right raul now fidel died a couple years ago the kim's north korea those are really textbook cases of totalitarian communism and you know and you get this all the time somebody watching this will probably complain a marxist out there they say this all the time patrick oh well that's not really communism right that's an aberration of communism right yeah marx and engels would have never supported the gulags well you go go to marks and engel's ten point what they call for the forcible overthrow of all existing conditions forcible overthrow go through their ten point plan they say right there at the ten point plan of course in the beginning this cannot be affected except by means of despotic inroads i mean they realize any any you're a business person any um business person non-business person anybody should realize that if you make a call for the abolition of private property you're going to have to use guns and gulags i mean people aren't going to roll over for that and right then and there you had you ought to say to yourself if if this is an ideology that's going to require locking people up and killing them and putting them on trains and hurting them off to concentration camps maybe we shouldn't go there maybe this is a bad idea right uh but but that's uh this is an ideology that necessitates prison camps i think it's unavoidable so when you hear chinese communistic party what what's communistic about china yeah that's a great question and modern china is such a weird case right so you have you have a country that from 1949 to 76 under mao and the cultural revolution the great leap forward that was full-blown maoism communism as mao saw it right the signification of marxism as he saw it and then deng xiaoping came in in 1978-79 created what he called socialism with chinese characteristics where they reversed the collectivization they started doing mass privatizations they started freeing up the economy and basically they did what was no longer economically communism so you have the weird situation in china to this day where you have a country that's politically communist a one-party communist state but not economically communist so yeah what does that mean one political party communist government is communism what does it mean government is communism well and this is where this is where the soviet union was right and and the big thing that mikhail gorbachev did in 1990 they abolished article 10 or is it article 6 of the soviet constitution which had a communist party monopoly on political power and you know every every communist state ever you can only have one political party by the way and you can't have free elections because people won't vote for communists right when i mentioned the the the elections in poland in june 1989 earlier patrick they put 100 seats up for contested elections communists lost 100 out of 100 okay they didn't win a single seat right that's why castro's cuba won't hold elections this is why they don't hold elections because people will vote communists out people in the western like communism is a pretty good idea they don't live under it right then why don't the people ever vote for why don't the leaders allow them people to vote for it so in china you have a single party communist party controlled state that doesn't allow political parties the leader of the party is the chairman the president whatever becomes the leader of the country and they're smart enough to realize that if they want an economy that works you can't do true economic communism you gotta allow enough free market reforms that you won't go broke and starve to death so it's weird what they're doing with communism in china it's a very different thing it's and it's totally unlike north korea or cuba the way i see it is chinese communistic party let's just say the government is communism is no freedom of speech you can't have an opinion you better do as they say and everything else you can make money yeah but the moment jack ma you think you're bigger than us and you give a speech on october 24th of last year calling out the regulators and the government employees let me tell you here's your 2.8 billion dollar fine we have new regulation about monopoly and we are shutting you down and you're not going public and ant group's going to be overhaul and all this other stuff because you crossed the line you started thinking you're bigger than china and you're not so zip it don't say single ward against us or else okay fair enough so now who would you say today in america if you were to say the most influential person in america that follows and would like to aspire one day for america to be what karl marx talks about in his book communism communist manifesto who would aspire to see america become that if you were to say big name not small name big names well that's a good question i mean for that sort of hardcore you'd have to go to like communist party usa website is cpusa.org you'd have to go to like the trotskyist socialist workers party um the the editors at the people's world which is peoplesworld.org that's the successor to the daily worker there's a guy named bob avakian who runs the revolutionary communist party revcom they're known as babavakian is armenian yeah i that's a good question it probably is armenian yeah a v a k i a n um if you look it up bob ovakian they call them chairman bob and he's got at his website his website revcom revolutionary communist party usa is all about him so do you see it yeah yeah that's it he is armenian by the way he's an american armenian american lawyer civil rights activist and later judge on alameda county uh california superior court interesting yeah so he he's he's a leader and he is when you saw last summer or last year patrick that um communist party endorses joe biden for president i remember i saw i got that email immediately because of who i am right in my email box and i thought wow that's weird communist party usa i know that they're for biden and for the democrat every four years but they you don't usually endorse them because that hurts the the endorsement hurts so i clicked that it wasn't communist party usa it was it was chairman bob it was bob ovakian he's the one that endorsed biden for that is he is he a guy that debates and gets on different platforms and interviews or no i don't think he does much from what i can tell he's mostly solo and and posts for a while he was in exile and possibly in paris and i have often wondered if it was a self-imposed exile well we'll definitely reach out to them because we've had slavo and jiji khan and we've had uh professor richard wolfon and a few other guys on so i'm always curious to know to speak to them so okay so i think is it fair to say that the kind the topic of communism is not creating a lot of momentum in u.s at all it's not like it's gonna one day be a threat to u.s again like it was back in the days under reagan well here's the threat and here i think is the longer answer to your question the people today who are sympathetic to communism are calling themselves democratic socialists and and so if there's a kind of leader for that today first of all there's bernie sanders okay and bernie sanders was a formal presidential elector to the socialist workers party in 1980 and 1984. so 1980 when most normal americans are deciding whether to vote between carter or reagan right bernie sanders was supporting the trotskyist socialist workers party we've never found proof that bernie was an actual member of the socialist workers party but you look in his background he's long been a supporter of it and probably knew better than to actually formally join it daniel greenfield of frontpagemagazine.com david horowitz's freedom center ron radosh look up their writings on bernie's time in a stalinist kibbutz in israel in the early 1960s so bernie was way to the far left bernie was never a democrat until 2016 when he sought the democratic party's nomination he was an independent james carville right said bernie's not a democrat why is he running as a democrat he's not even a dem he's not he's not a democrat but he came in second for the democratic party presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020. bernie's a lifetime socialist but one more thing the trotskyist socialist workers party they published the publication the militant and the militant you can look up online lee harvey oswald the assassin of jfk holding the rifle in one hand that he shot jfk with and a copy of the militant newspaper in the other hand that's been around for a long time the other leaders of the sort of modern socialism the democratic socialism as they call it it's the democratic socialists of america that's the group that's it patrick that is it communist party usa says that they've had a membership surge where they're now at about 5 000 members all right that sucks right the democratic socialists of america are are in a true membership surge and are now up to about 90 000 altogether and their poster girl is alexandria ocasio-cortez and the other one in fact if they have poster girls it's the squad um ilhan omar who i think is the most radical member of the house and the third one is rasheeda toleb who who said of donald trump we need to impeach the mother you know blank and the fourth one is eliana presley although i don't think presley is um is an actual democratic socialist but she's part of the squad so that's really that's where the momentum is today so if you if you look up democratic socialists online look up look up democratic socialists of america um annual convention communist international and they're they're singing the the international at the start of their at the start of their convention and calling each other comrades right so they uh they'll they'll say oh we're not communist we're not even socialists we're democratic socialists but but when you hear the rhetoric and see what they say and you see what they read like richard pipes said you know there's no meaningful distinction between socialism and communism um oftentimes there's indeed not so if we look at communism and they define angles and uh and uh marx say the abolition of uh uh abolition of property right and then you have the at the end of the book forcible overthrows of all existing social condition okay right it's fine so we have those two definitions then what how would you define socialism and uh lenin wrote in the state and revolution which is this kind of opus and he wrote that in 1917 couldn't finish writing it because because the revolution overtook them but he wrote in there he said as mark said in in in communism socialism is just the final transitionary step before communism so you know the it it's one phase that leads to a higher phase marian smith who was the executive director of victims of communist memorial foundation says well uh just as religious believers christians and jews aspire to heaven the socialist aspires to communism right communism is the sort of new jerusalem you know that's that's the that's the utopia that's that's the heaven on earth so in true marxist leninist theory socialism is the final transitionary step to communism now that said you'll run into all sorts of socialists today who say well but that's not the kind of socialist that i am right i don't support communism i wouldn't go that far i support single-payer health care i support maybe government taking over the energy sector i support this and well all right fine but if you type in a google or merriam-webster socialism what will pop up is socialism common ownership of the means of production so you know historically socialism that's what it is ussr union of soviet socialist republics it's the final transitionary step to communism it makes you it makes you wonder so so i'm a math guy i'm a numbers guy because it makes sense to me and it's absolute right so if i look at communism communism if i go on one side 100 to me is communism okay so is there a way to come up with a number that tells us where socialism is when it comes down to taxes has that study been done because arthur laffer said yes around 33 and a half 34 and a half percent and you know you've seen a lot of different studies but is there a way to quantify what socialism is since we know how to quantify communism that's a great question i love that and in my comparative politics course at grove city college every fall we use the heritage foundation's index of economic freedom they rank countries from number one to about number 170 most economically free to least economically free and the top two have been hong kong and singapore pretty much ever since they started doing this study in the 1990s and then you have new zealand maybe ireland maybe the uk maybe the united states we're around the top ten and then china i think is usually around like 100 120. um spain italy france you know who knows 30s 70s they're all over the place but at the very end the very end is always north korea and cuba cuba yeah so in a way i that that guide i find very very useful as as kind of a ranking system and a country there that would be around 150 venezuela's down to the bottom now too zimbabwe is down at the bottom so i'd say when you're in that range of like the bottom 10 percent bottom 20 150 to 170 you're kind of in you know collectivism socialism communism you know that you're you're in that territory got it but there's never been a number that they've put to it meaning give tax if you pay more than 60 taxes it's socialism if you're paying more than 30 taxes at socialism what that that's what i'm looking for yeah that's a good question yeah and to do it through tax rates to truly have abolition of private property by the way the top three in marx and engel's ten point plan abolition of property and land graduated or progressive income tax oh and my favorite abolition of all right of inheritance all right so abolition of all right of inheritance would technically mean right for you and i who are practical guys are trying to figure out what these guys are saying that would have to be like 100 inheritance tax right death tax so if you have a 100 tax on inheritance is the only way you're going to abolish all right of inheritance that would be communism um i know if you have a 50 tax rate on inheritance i'd like to call that socialist i think it's pretty damned outrageous 70 percent would be outraged tax rates in the united states we introduced the federal income tax in 1913 permanent federal income tax it was a few percentage points by 1921 under woodrow wilson it was 73 fdr took it up to 94 on income over 100 000 and fdr if you read bert folsom's book fdr goes to war fdr in the 1940s wanted a 99.5 tax rate on incomes over 100 000 now i would call that pretty close to communism he might not be quoting marks when he's doing it but i'd have to say that that would be pretty close a 99.5 tax rate on income over a hundred thousand dollars that's like almost complete confiscation and redistribution of wealth at that point but to pick a hard number marx and engels never gave one and this is infuriating for practical minded business people they also they would say well you know at this point you've left capitalism and then socialism and then capital i want to know at which point in the process we're there right i want to know who's the vanguard who's the group of leaders that say oh okay all right okay we are now comrades from point b to point c right i can now say that we've officially entered communist society none of this is ever clear and it has to be decided by dictators that's what it comes down to very interesting by the way on the 99.5 i mean i would i would love to know what's the right book to read where it's going to be unbiased and it's going to tell me what was his motive and taking it to 99.5 like what is it it's bert folsom uh fdr goes to war he wrote it with his wife anita he's a hillsdale professor retired hillsdale what's the book about um it's called fdr goes to war i got it so it's about the 1940s and um yeah 99.5 right by the way people thinking well he must have just wanted it for wartime no no no no no fdr fdr was jacked the rate up to 91 the reason ronald reagan left the democratic party was um over fdr's tax rates and that's that's what drove him out of the democratic party that probably more than anything else that's right because in hollywood they were getting crushed with the taxes but it was at the top so it's okay so now let's talk about let's talk about reagan um who was reagan and how did reagan come to his political conclusions of eventually obviously becoming the president of the united states well so he was he had been um raised an fdr democrat he called himself a hemophiliac liberal a bleeding heart liberal he was a new dealer from the midwest and i mean that's my family too my family's from western pennsylvania coal mines steel mills pittsburgh and you know in those days they it was kind of the party of god guns and labor in those days right um it's interesting that's what donald trump really tapped into here in western pennsylvania fracking industry west virginia coal mining but so ronald reagan came out of that group his mother was very religious very very religious and when reagan went out to hollywood in the 1930s started making movies a lot of movies 1930s and 1940s among other things he became weary of of kind of this hyper new deal collectivism redistributionism high tax rate tax rates were reagan called creeping socialism where you started this new program that new program this new program pretty soon how do we pay for all of this well how do you pay for it well you increase taxes right on who on the rich all right well how do you get any higher than 91 percent well we go to 94 right how about 99.5 right yeah margaret thatcher said the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money at some point so that got to reagan and what really got to reagan was he saw the communist infiltration of hollywood reagan saw that with the screen actors guild he was president of the screen actors guild and he also saw reagan became a popular after dinner speaker in hollywood in the 1940s where he would go around giving the speech exoriating nazism fascism and one day after he gave this speech to men's group at his church the pastor of the reverend cleveland kleihauer came up to reagan and said hey ron that's a great speech you know nazism fascism evil evil evil evil evil you know hitler's dead there's no movement in the united states at all for nazism you know the war was over three years ago you know ron out there right now there's another threat out there it's called communism and it's it's pretty brutal too and i think your speech would be a lot more powerful if maybe you just added in a little criticism about communism and reagan patrick said well that's a pretty good idea i think i'll start doing that so reagan gives his typical stump speech and he's giving it to one of these progressive groups in washington right and sitting there you know the john howard lawson dalton trombo hollywood ten types way to go ron way to go you know get those nazis get those fascists and then reagan gets the end of the speech he writes about this in his memoirs and he said at the end of the speech he said he said you know there's another ism out there and it's called communism another totalitarianism and i'll tell you if that ever becomes a threat to the united states like nazism was i will condemn that just as harshly and patrick reagan said you could hear a pin drop a pin drop right and and he said he got called names um witch hunter red baiter fascist scum all of a sudden he's like persona non god he's like what am i doing and he realized reagan said the reds weren't under the bed you know they were they were in the bed and a lot of these progressive groups that he thought were good-hearted liberals like him were actually pro-communists so if this awakened reagan to the communist threat in hollywood and the united states and all of that that fdr everything else began pushing him out of the democratic party and toward eventually the republican party in conservatism um he i'm currently finishing up jim baker's book uh i don't know if you've read it or not the story the man who ran washington i don't know if you've been i haven't read it i should yeah he's he's got a he gives a different angle on reagan and uh also i'm not sure if you've read killing reagan i'm sure you read killing reagan by bill o'reilly oh yeah you know he kind of takes it he pissed off george will and george will was one of the guys that inspired me uh march of 2009 when i heard him speak at miramar hotel when i was invited to an event by larry greenfield from the claremont institute with larry arn and i heard him speak and uh uh pat boone was and all these other guys but uh today where we are today you're a historian you've read a lot obviously you're biased on one side strong conservative you even said it yourself earlier we said listen even me as a person who's biased when you look at the part saying where he is not letting his friend go down i mean that's just that what do you mean romantic or what do you mean by you know the words that the guy used i even i'm biased that doesn't sound romantic to me uh i don't know if that's the word used you may use a different word but you know i i get what you were saying what is your biggest concern today we're in america today you know we just got done with a fourth term you know four years of donald trump which you know if you're watching cnn msnbc he's the worst president of all time if you're watching fox he's the goat if you're reading wall street journal he's great for the economy but he's rattling too many cages you know if you depending on what you read you have a different interpretation of who donald trump is and we go through chronovirus momentum creates voting changes the way we're going to vote biden wins we wait six weeks to find out georgia wins both seats and then biden inauguration trump doesn't show up first time ever and now we have america today what is your biggest concern of where we are today well i'd say indeed this riot is in support for socialism people's lack of understanding of it um and i and two the entire canceled culture and just how nasty and vicious people are to one another in fact ronald reagan came from an era where where people could disagree and and and you know the people in the 1980s on the left side who disagree with ronald reagan at least they liked him as a person they didn't feel that that you that you had to ruin someone's life this idea today i mean somebody will watch this today and not like what i say and and want to write a letter to the president of my college demanding i'd be fired you know it's it people so personalize everything uh there's a real lack of charity of kindness of decency of people really getting along like ladies and gentlemen and having you know genuine disagreement and also two people just aren't thoughtful they're not well read they're not taking the time to research things i had a group of faculty at a college where i was supposed to supposed to speak in california last semester um asked that the invitation to be to me be withdrawn and further evidence against what i had done they they quoted some obscure online publication i hadn't even heard of and from which they took like a two-line summary of a book that i wrote and it was all that they had patrick and i thought these are fellow academics i mean read the book i i i mean how lazy is that i i mean about not just nasty but lazy but this is the kind of culture that that we're in and it makes me not very optimistic i mean is the reaganos story and reagan talked about the shining city on a hill i mean i i feel that we're not that shining city anymore and it's going to be to turn this around i don't i don't know what it's going to take but 30 years 30 plus years after the collapse of communism we should not be having the debate as to whether or not communism was bad and the fact that we are shows that we're really in trouble as a country you think you get to a point where people are going to leave america and go to different places to live just like everybody else came from other countries to want to live in america you think america is eventually going to get to a point of losing citizens possibly i mean ronald reagan said if we lose freedom here there's no place to escape to this is the last stand on earth and he was talking at that point about talking to a cuban refugee that was reagan's 1964 time for choosing speech so i still wonder well it's true if we lose freedom here where else are we going to go to but i could see some people especially professional people feeling so harassed by the woke mobs and everybody else in america where they say you know i've had enough of this i'll go live in europe or something but in a way you can't escape social media right you can't escape the the power of the internet and twitter and everything else so it takes a special kind of person i think in toughness to withstand this ignore it and simply say maybe like what reagan said right well there they go again right and just and kind of shrug it off and say well this is what they do this is how they attack and they're calling me a racist now well they've done it to everybody they did it to reagan by the way they're really doing that to reagan now right uh so it's just it's kind of what they do they're vicious about it and um i guess all we can do maybe try to teach people to be more respectful of one another but good luck how do you deal with that with teaching the youth i mean you're seeing what's going on with uh china giving 400 billion dollars to iran 25-year contract okay that they're going to get oil in return but at the same time influence and education influence and infrastructure influence and you know etc etc and then you're hearing about new york giving 15 600 to undocumented immigrants who lost their work during the pandemic and you know they're going to spend the state budget of 2.1 billion dollars to helping out and they're raising taxes well for the top line revenue uh officially new york becomes the most expensive state to live in it's no longer california california becomes a second wars used to be the worst on taxes how are some of these people making these kinds of policies and making progress on them and people are buying into them and the job creators are sitting on the sidelines saying well you know what i'm going to take it a little bit more are you sensing the exit is actually taking place from some states and some of these states are really going to pay a big price just like maybe they did in 1970 when half of the fortune 500 companies out of new york left and completely left to a different state do you see some states getting crushed yeah i do and this is a whole other fiscal conversation about the bankrupting of america i mean there's only so much longer that this kind of spending and this kind of debt can go on we've been saying that for a long time but it's got to reach a tipping point at some point but but but also though too to have those people then leave new york and california and go to states like texas and colorado and georgia and then they come down and they bring their their crazy voting preferences with them uh and then and then turn you know southern states and republican states into into northeastern states uh and and in a place like like georgia where corporations like coca-cola and even major league baseball an organization like that starts politicizing everything i mean they have no idea if the laws in georgia are more restrictive than my home state of pennsylvania they're probably not right coke doesn't know that major league baseball doesn't know that but you get again this kind of mob media platform media mentality this culture of intimidation of cancel and it starts going after people and people get scared and they buckle and and i find that to go back to what i said i find that one of the more disturbing things about america today in the 21st century i mean we're at the last part of the interview paul i'm going to give you names it's called speedrun tell me one word that comes to mind okay aoc democratic socialist i use two words okay sanders socialist pelosi oh boy that's not easy i'm trying not to be insulting i was gonna pick a word that's insulting there um i i yeah yeah i better i shouldn't say what i just talked about charity right what what what i would say would not be um positive about her in in my view mental acuity on on on certain policy issues how about biden i think it's a trojan horse kamala yeah president harris obama obama uh increasingly difficult to pin down i'm starting to wonder patrick if if if obama almost like a bill maher type is kind of moving a little bit more to the center as he gets disgusted watching the cancel culture and some of this other stuff go around him but that's not a one-word answer is it yeah yeah but but it's very interesting you're saying that because you wrote about his mentor yeah frank marshall davis yeah so it's it's interesting so and his presidency i think was a really bad turning point that that i i i could show you by data that when they ask they ask young americans every year do you support socialism or capitalism all right it finally flipped to socialism in 2010 right a lot of this cultural revolutionary stuff happened under obama uh obama was really a br the obama presidency was a breakthrough period for the left that i don't think we'll will ever turn back from even if obama has some regrets if he ever does about some of what happened got it so ted right ted cruz great yeah i think he's terrific he's one of my favorite senators my favorite senators are ted cruz marco rubio rand paul jfk uh anti-communist democrat partners his party is no longer with us i agree bill maher i i i appreciate his independence i can't watch his show because of the vulgarity and the other stuff but i appreciate somebody who's honest and and is willing to he's like piers morgan right willing to say what what um willing to go against the politically correct on his side anderson cooper i actually think he's pretty fair i i um yeah yeah tucker brilliant and and needs to continue to be courageous be not afraid jon stewart uh yeah he's a little bit like a bill maher and john stewart i like he's a nice guy he doesn't have a mean edge to him trump that would take another entire show [Laughter] to adequately assess him but turn policy wise turned out to be a much more conservative president and and many of the policies that i thought he would never embrace in 2016 he did by 2020. pence um really nice guy i don't think he'll ever be president though desantis um i think he could be president and he's a really good governor well i got to tell you i've really enjoyed this thank you so much for being a guest on valuetainment and we're going to put the links to two of your books which we talked about today the devil and karl marx we're going to put the link below as well as the crusader ronald reagan and the fall of communism and uh we'll put the links for folks to be able to find you as well whether it's your website or your social media platform final thoughts here before we wrap up is there any last words you got for the audience well i don't use social media my twitter account i've never actually touched so i gotta warn you on that but yeah my final uh my final advice would be educate educate educate you might have to self-educate yourself and all this stuff especially if you go to our lousy universities and have courage have charity be not afraid and try to be a cheerful warrior in this culture that needs uh cheerful warriors ronald reagan was a fearful warrior i like that cheerful who are you patrick i appreciate that thank you so much thank you for your time thank you for being a guest on valuetainment thank you very much god bless take care bless you as well you have no idea how much i enjoy watching interviews or doing interviews on topics of economy like it's so fascinating to me and some of you either love this stuff or some of you didn't even make it all the way to the end but if you did i want to know what you took away from today's interview and if you enjoyed today's interview there's two other interviews i want to recommend watch either one of them that you want to watch one of them was with ray dalio at the time when i interviewed him i think he was worth 18 billion and we had a very very deep conversation about economy methods of thinking china was a big part of it you may enjoy this one and if you've not watched my sit down with larry arn larry arn has a lot of similar philosophies to my guest today paul i think you would really enjoy the conversation with larry yarn as well having said that click on each either one of them that you want to watch and aside from that have a wonderful day take care everybody bye [Music]

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Length: 78min 30sec (4710 seconds)

Published: Wed May 05 2021