♪ >> THERE ARE TWO REPORTS TODAY SUGGESTING THAT THE CHINESE HAVE A NEW AGREEMENT WITH CUBA TO SET UP A LISTENING POSTS IN CUBA. ARE THOSE REPORTS ACCURATE? >> I'VE SEEN THAT REPORTING. I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. >> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT ACCURATE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING IN THIS? >> I'M SAYING WE'VE SEEN THE REPORT. IT'S NOT ACCURATE. >> I THINK YOU'VE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES SAY THIS AND I'LL SEE IS IT AGAIN HERE, WE'VE SEEN THE REPORTS, THEY'RE INACCURATE. WILL: AFTER MANY IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CALL REPORTS OF A CHINA SPY BASE THIS CUBA, QUOTE, INACCURATE, AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TO TO FOX NEWS YESTERDAY THAT CHINA IS LIKELY SPYING ON US FROM CUBA SAYING, QUOTE, THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA CONDUCTED AN UPGRADE OF ITS INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION FACILITIES IN CUBA IN 2019. THIS IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE INTELLIGENCE RECORD. HERE TO REACT IS FORMER CHINA STRATEGIST AND CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF THE, RETIRED BRIGADIER GENERAL ROBERT SPAULDING. GENERAL, GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM THIS MORNING. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS POTENTIAL LISTENING POST OR HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN SPYING ON US FROM CUBA. IT WOULD BE MY IMPRESSION THAT CHINA -- I WOULD BE UNSURPRISED. I WOULD BE NOT SHOCKED TO FIND OUT CHINA'S SPYING ON US FROM ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE, GENERAL. I ASSUME THEIR CYBER, BASICALLY ARE, IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR SOCIETY AND IN EVERY ONE OF OUR INSTITUTIONS AT THIS POINT. HOW SIGNIFICANT OR SHOCKED SHOULD WE BE TO UNDERSTAND THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING A LISTENING POST THIS CUBA? -- IN CUBA? >> WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR SOCIETY, IN CUBA THEY'D BE LOOKING AT AND LISTENING TO WHAT OUR MILITARY AIRCRAFT, SHIPS ARE DOING IN THE AREA OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. SO IT IS SIGNIFICANT. IT'S A CONCERN PRIMARILY BECAUSE, I BELIEVE, THAT IF THEY ARE TO INVADE TAIWAN, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TRY TO CREATE SOME KIND OF DISTRACTION. AND A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE A DISTRACTION IS CUBA. WILL WILL THAT MAKES SENSE. AND, BY THE WAY, AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I FELT LIKE OR FEEL LIKE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT IS SHARED SO READILY ON RHINE THAT MOST SPYING -- ONLINE THAT MOST SPYING NOW IS DONE THROUGH CYBER HACKING OR CYBER SURVEILLANCE. I WONDER WHAT YOU CAN LEARN FROM A PHYSICAL, FOR EXAMPLE, SPY BALLOON OR LISTENING POST SOMEWHERE ON THE EAST COAST OF AMERICA. BUT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS STILL POTENTIAL EARS AND EYES ON MILITARY MOVEMENTS IS VALUABLE TO CHINA. >> CERTAINLY. THEY WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, OPERATE WHEN WE'RE OUT AT SEA. AND SO THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT. WILL: OKAY. THAT LEADS US TO THIS, I WANT TO SHARE A HEADLINE FROM POLITICO, THE PENTAGON IS FREAKING OUT ABOUT A POTENTIAL WAR WITH CHINA, PARENTHESES, BECAUSE AMERICA MIGHT LOSE. THIS THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO ONE OF THE MANY WAR GAMES THAT TAKE PLACE. NOT ALL OF THEM RESULTS IN AN AMERICAN LOSS TO CHINA, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN COLLECT -- COLLECTIVELY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH VALUE WE SHOULD PUT THIS COLLECTIVELY, EACH ONE OF THESE WAR GAMES HAS THEIR OWN VALUE OR LACK OF VALUE, BUT IT'S NOT A ROSE I CITY PICTURE IN TOTALITY OF A POTENTIAL WAR BETWEEN US AND CHINA. IS THAT ACCURATE? THE YOU WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD ACTUALLY, I THINK, HAVE SOME DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THESE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES. IS THAT ACCURATE? WE SHOULDN'T BE TOO OPTIMISTIC ABOUT A WAR WITH CHINA? >> WELL, NOT ONLY IS IT ACCURATE, IT'S BEEN ACCURATE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WE'VE BEEN LOSING WAR GRAHAMS -- GAMES AGAINST THE CHINESE FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS, AND I THINK IT'S A SINGULAR LACK OF FOCUS IN D.C., IT'S A LACK OF ORGANIZATION AND FOCUS ON CHINA AS THE CHIEF THREAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ORGANIZED FOR A POST-COLD WAR WORLD, AND WE'RE IN A COLD WAR, AND THAT REQUIRES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZE THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AWAY FROM THESE IDEAS OF REGIONAL COMMANDS AND FOCUS LIKE WE WITH DID DURING THE FIRST COLD WAR ON CHINA AS A SINGULAR THREAT. IT REQUIRES A FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT THAT WE BUY, THE WEAPONS SYSTEMS. IT REQUIRES A FOCUS BY THE WHITE HOUSE ON CHINA AS THE ENEMY AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE CHINA INTO A FRIEND. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND ASK WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WILL: REAL QUICK, GENERAL, SO WHEN YOU SAY WE'VE BEEN LOSING WAR GAMES FOR THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE WITH CHINA, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WAR OVER TAIWAN? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A WAR IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WAR ON THE CHINESE MAINLAND, THE AMERICAN MAINLAND? WHAT TYPE OF WAR ARE WE LOSING CONSISTENTLY FOR A DECADE? >> TYPICALLY WHEN WE WAR GAME, IT IS TAIWAN. THERE ARE SOME, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WAR GAME ON THE SOUTH CHINA SEA, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY TAIWAN. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CHINESE HAVE BUILT UP A HUGE WAR CHEST ON THEIR SIDE OF THE TAIWAN STRAIT, AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN LAX ARE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISTRACTED BY RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA AND IRAN, AND WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON CHINA AS A SINGULAR THREAT. WILL: ALL RIGHT. FASCINATING. ON THIS CONVER
