Which PC handheld is the 𝙁𝘼𝙎𝙏𝙀𝙎𝙏? [Steam Deck, ASUS ROG Ally, Lenovo Legion Go...]

[Music] I've been kind of fascinated by input lag because that could really make or break a game input lag or input latency or input delay is the time between a button being pressed and a thing happening on screen this metric is usually referred to in milliseconds you'd think that a faster input means better gaming and sometimes it does these days we don't really notice input lag because it's so low but it's never zero with modern displays it's actually way higher than it once was with CRT displays those are almost instantaneous this uh this right here is not a CRT so in order for a retro game to feel its best we want that input latency to be as low as possible but really this applies to any type of game I decided I wanted to start doing these tests on all my PC handheld reviews going forward there needs to be some sort of differenti factor between these PC handouts because they're all kind of the same but really I just wanted to try out this cool new thing that I got this here is the OS LTT or the open source latency testing tool it's by a YouTuber named Tech Team GB this device is still very much in beta this is really meant for PC monitors and you think what's going on here would translate well with PC handhelds but it really doesn't translate that well because well we want to do is record the time it takes for a controller input to hit the built-in monitor this unit focuses on mouse and keyboard clicks also every PC handheld has a touchscreen and these little screws on the back like to trigger that touchcreen so I put little Furniture pads on them this isn't really ideal because it lets the light spill into the light sensor but I think it's it'll be fine so we're going to be doing three different tests on every device that we have one of them is going to be a monitor latency test using this OS LTT what it does is it flashes a white screen a 100 times and gives us a readout of the results the second test will be the controller's latency we're going to be using a free program called xinput test which has you spin the left thumb stick around as it records 1,000 inputs and how long those inputs take to be received this also gives you a millisecond readout so this will be used to determine the input latency of the controllers built into these handhelds the Third test will be the least accurate this camera right here that I usually use to film everything is capable of 120 frames per second recording at full 4K so I'm going to boot up Celeste on each device and record myself pressing the jump button 10 times I'm only going to do this 10 times because I have to then manually sit there and count each frame and then do math to calculate what that frame difference means in milliseconds I actually ended up doing this around like 20 times each because I knew not every button press would be easily Rec recognizable as a button press sometimes my finger would obscure the button I had to kind of look for the shadow around the button to see when it looked depressed at the end of all of this I'll have a spreadsheet of all the devices that I tested and the results if you really can't help yourself and want to be spoiled you can just click the link in the description and look at the spreadsheet yourself and see how everything did but if you do that then you'll miss some interesting anecdotes about all the different devices that I tested and the testing process and you're going to miss me saying ass at least once but we have to be very clear about something here metrics aren't everything for example a fan can sound louder than another fan even if it doesn't have a higher decibel reading it could just be more annoying you know what I mean the MSI claw benchmarks better than every other device here but it's significantly Sher people went a little nutty about the steam deck matte screen and how it's technically bad for an LED screen I think that the matte screen looks really nice but people over on the OLED subreddit all like show me a metric that tells me that the OLED screen is better with the mat on it it it that's one of those things that just it just looks nice I'm sorry that your dark points aren't as dark as you'd like them to be it just looks and feels nice I don't know how to quantify that a device can have all of the specs in the world and still be a sh device and for those reasons this channel will still mainly focus on on how a device feels what's its real world use how well does it achieve its intended purpose and it's for those reasons why I think that the PlayStation portal is ass see there you go there's your there's your ass I would highly recommend other channels like the fox or Gamers Nexus if you want more deep dives into benchmarking and numbers and stuff like that I'm only doing this today because I think it's fun and interesting and I want to do it but before I do it you're going to have to watch me make a cup of coffee this video is sponsored by trade oh I didn't see you there today we're doing a a 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preferences to hundreds of different coffee flavor profiles their technology pairs you with the best coffees using Art and Science marrying industry expertise and machine learning click the link below to enjoy 30% off of your first month of coffee delivered right to your door and there you go oh this not ice okay I'll just have it then I'm allergic to nuts we're going to be using this gigabyte aorus BMF 15 laptop as a baseline I made a video on this laptop I think exactly a year ago I'm going to be using an Xbox Elite controller plugged in through USB I would imagine controllers in all these handhelds would act similarly to an Xbox controller Xbox controllers actually have really low polling rates this this is different than input leg but it does contribute to input latency polling rate is the frequency at which the controller and the device you're using talk to each other so a lot of devices can have polling rates upwards of 1,000 htz an Xbox controller has a pulling rate of 125 htz for some reason that's pretty low I'm only including this for the sake of consistency but I hope that all of these other devices per perform better than this because those have controllers built onto their boards you know should work better all of the monitor testing is being done without power being plugged in except for the Baseline laptop because I forgot to unplug it but I'm doing it that way because most of these devices only have one USBC port and if a device has two USBC ports I just left it unplugged for the sake of consistency again these tests are also being done at Max TDP so the devices that we're testing here are the Asus RG Ally the Lenovo Legion go the MSI claw the iono flip DS and the steam deck OLED Edition I'll walk you through some of the complications that I had running these tests for example the steam deck is Linux so the monitor test using the OSL just didn't work I tried what I could I was able to run the OS LT software on the steam deck using proton but it wouldn't recognize the device which which runs on Arduino maybe maybe that's something that could be fixed in the future but I have to leave the monitor test out for the steam deck for now we also couldn't test the display on the MSI claw because that runs on Intel Arc and Intel Arc has issues with direct X which is what the OSL uses to flash the white screen it it got all weird it it wouldn't flash right I tried a couple different things but I couldn't get that to work but we were able to do the Celeste test on both of these devices and we were also able to get the X input control latency test done on these I was able to get that running on the steam deck which is Linux using proton and that worked just fine I was able to run it in Steam OS mode too I guess we could show that first in terms of just straight controller input latency the Lenovo Legion go kind of crushed it the steam deck beat it in terms of average control latency but only slightly the steam deck had an average of 2.09 milliseconds whereas the Lenovo Legion go had an average of 2.13 so they're very close but if we look at the graph you can see that the Lenovo is more consistent the steam deck is kind of all over the place these are both still extremely low though so good for them I suspect that the steam deck achieved this through some sort of Linux Tom Foolery I don't know how the hell Lenovo achieved this the MSI claw and the Asus R Ally are both remark close and remarkably consistent this is admirable in its own right still pretty decent the iono flip DS is pretty bad it has worse input latency than even our Baseline with a USB Xbox controller I think we can expect some pretty bad results from a Neo here but don't go out and buy a console just based off of its controller input latency cuz that means nothing if the monitor also has some pretty terrible input latency and as you can imagine the io flip has pretty terrible input latency on the monitor too these are the results using the OSL device the io didn't record the entire test for some reason but also while I was running the test the display would flash for way longer than it did on other devices so I'm not sure how accurate this is for the io flip DS however the Lenovo Legion Go performed a little better but not by much and I think the reason that they both performed pretty similarly on this test is because the Lenovo Legion go and the iono flip DS are both native portrait displays that means that they draw their image from top to bottom and not left to right like most displays do these displays I think are meant for like large tablets and not gaming handhelds so these two performed worse than even our Baseline laptop which has a pretty decent display in it the RG Ally performed great and I would suspect the steam deck would probably do pretty good in this test too if we could have tested it but that's why we did the slowmo test too so this is me playing a game on each device and Counting the frames this is the least accurate test because one frame equals around 8.33 MCS so that's a pretty wide margin to account for this is really just to support our other findings and to fill in some blanks like for example if we can't do the monitor test on that device we can use this test to compensate shockingly the MSI claw kind of crushed it here it makes me really want to try that monitor test on it hopefully I can get that sorted out eventually everything else kind of performed similarly with the I Neo flip and the Lenovo Legion go sitting towards the slow end the gigabyte laptop also didn't do too hot which goes to show you how important controller latency is I'm also a little disappointed in the steam deck here but with data this close together I would only really be concerned if there were major swings so the real takeaways here on this particular test is that the MSI Claw is kind of nutty in some weird ways and Native portrait displays are still s there you go there's your second one third one overall ion Neo can hold a massive L here I can't help but think that their input latency issues can be attributed to their constant release cycle that leaves them no time to polish their products before shipping them Lenovo needs to share their secret sauce why is their controller latency so great and the rest just kind of supports what we already know the RG Ally is great the MSI Claw is very similar to The Ally but has some wacky quirks and the steam deck is also great I just wish that I could use the OSL on it keep in mind the steam deck is the cheapest device on this list and from what I could test it performed pretty close to those other expensive ones so what do you guys think about all these input latency tests here's another little fun little anecdote I almost couldn't do the X input test on the MSI claw because uh my brother will was using it and for whatever reason the left stick just stopped working on them and that's I need that for that test we fixed it you can watch The Wolf Den podcast over on that YouTube channel for for more MSI claw Tom Foolery let me know what your experience has been with any of these different handhelds and if it reflects what we saw in this testing if you'd like to see anything different in the future maybe I can make this easier on myself somehow leave in the comments below at me on Twitter any and all this other social media garbage thank you trade for giving me coffee and helping sponsor this video don't forget to check them out at the link in the description we're over on twitch.tv / wolf all of the time this weekend I will be messing around with the Miu the new one a30 and the amberik 28xx because I'm getting those and I'm making a video on that so go to Twitch for that most important thing that you can do though help support this channel subscribe right here I would like you to know when every single one of these videos goes live thank you very much and share this video with a friend a friend who maybe has one of these and would 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Length: 15min 2sec (902 seconds)

Published: Sun May 05 2024