Where Does Growth Come From? | Clayton Christensen | Talks at Google

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One of my favorite talks at google. Definitely worth the watch if you haven't seen it.

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cheers. Never seen this. His book, innovators dilemma is a must read. I think its the only thing Steve Jobs recommended reading. along with doing drugs when you are young.

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RIP - one of the greatest

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The title made me think of this Where do Profits Come From by Nathan Tankus who has "blown up" as they say since getting mention in Bloomberg

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Disheartening to see his conditions worsening his speech gradually, yet he was still out there sharing his experience and knowledge. One of the my few fav people to listen to for sure.

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RIP

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MATT: Professor Christensen is one of the most thoughtful and interesting and engaged people that I've had a chance to work with in my time at Google. And I'm really, really excited to allow all of us to share a little bit of that today. So without further ado, Professor Clayton Christensen. [APPLAUSE] CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: You're very kind, Matt. And I'm just delighted that you guys would be it worth your while to come here and talk about some of the things that I want to propose. There are three main objectives in my talk. The first one is, my gosh, Google is in a wonderful spot. And almost never in the history of mankind has anybody seen to be so successful in much that you're trying to do. And the reason why I worry about that is that success is very hard to sustain. And if you look across the sweep of business history, almost every company which at one point were widely regarded as unassailably successful, 10 or 20 years later, you find them in the middle of the pack or the bottom of the heap. And I'll get into a little bit about that later. But the scary thing about this is that it's actually good management that causes successful companies to stumble. And so, the solutions that you might think about are not solutions at all. So anyway, that's one reason why I came is to just share the despair that comes with success. [LAUGHTER] And then, the second one is that growth is actually a huge issue everywhere. Not just American companies, but Japanese and European companies are even more desperate for growth. In China, which has been on a roll for over the last 10 years, find themselves not able to grow there. And politicians are worried that we can't grow. And they have no idea where growth comes from at the level of national economies. And if our nations are not prosperous, then companies find it hard to be prosperous. So that's what I want to talk about if that's all right. And what I'd like to offer to you, which is my third objective today, is that I want to talk to you about theories about management. And the word "theories" gets a bum wrap with managers, because the word "theory" is associated with the word "theoretical," which connotes impractical. But a theory is a statement of causality. It's a statement of what causes what and why. And when you think about it in those terms, you as technologists or managers are voracious consumers of theory. Because every time you take an action, it's predicated upon a belief that, if you do this, you'll get the result that you want. And every time you put a plan into place, it's predicated upon a set of theories, which tells you, if you do these things, you'll be successful. But most of the people aren't even aware of the theories that they use. And many times, the theories that you use are destructive rather than productive. So this is why I have spent much of my academic life trying to understand theories about management. So there's not one grand theory of management that solves all problems of managers. But there really are theories about different dimensions of a manager's job, which are quite helpful. And you'll see some of those, as I'll present them today. And it is as if, if you came to my office, there would be a shelf there. And on the shelf will be a set of theories about management. And some of them have emerged from my own research. And next to them are theories about management that other members of our faculty have offered. And there are a few slots on the shelf that aren't filled, because there are really important theories about management for which nobody has provided a theory yet. So for example, metrics and how you measure things is a huge deal. And yet, there isn't a theory about metrics. But with these as a set of building blocks, if somebody can then come to us with a problem, rather than giving them my opinion about how to solve the problem, instead what we're able to do is say, well if that's the problem, you know, then we have a theory on the shelf called the theory of disruption. And I bet you that if we put that theory on like a set of lenses and examine this problem, we might be able to understand what's going on. And so that's what I want to do is explain to you a set of problems for which good theories might help you. And I picked these ones because I think you probably are facing similar problems. So if you think about our economy much, you'd realize that occasionally we have a recession. And when our economy goes into recession, we'll hit bottom at some point. And then, it takes some time before companies have to start hiring people again. Because the people who are on board can satisfy the demand of getting more orders for a while. And we have had nine recessions since World War II. And in the first six of those nine recessions, on average, it took our economy six months from the point when they hit bottom to get to the point where they needed to hire more workers. But we had a recession in 1991, '92, where it took our economy 15 months to get to the point where they needed to hire people again. Then, we had a recession in 2001, '02. So it took us 15 months in that recession to get to the point where they had to hire people. Then, we had a recession in '01, '02 where it took our economy 39 months, in aggregate, to get to the point where they're hiring more people. Then the most recent recession it took us our economy nearly six years to get to the point where we needed to hire more people. And what seems to be happening increasingly is these rebounds appear to be financial, not real in character. So the people who have money get a lot of money a lot faster. But the rest of us, there are not jobs into which we can be slotted in anymore. And something fundamentally has gone wrong with our economy. And what we see in the economy is a summary of what's going on in most companies as well. So I want to propose that there are four different types of innovations. And the reason why I'd like to focus on innovation is because, whenever a company makes an investment, they invest in an innovation of one sort or another. And so, what I want to do is describe these four types of innovations and then teach a little bit more about whether and why and where they will create growth. There are potential products, meaning nobody's figured out what these are yet. Then the second one are sustaining innovations that make those products better. The third are disruptive products that grow markets. And then, the fourth are efficiency innovations in which they sell them off in order to get their money back. So let me start with potential innovations. Almost any study about innovation will say that, of all of the products whose product development are initiated in a company, only about 15% to 25% of them will become financially successful. And it's broadly viewed that innovation is a crapshoot. The more projects you launch, the more success you'll be. But in its end, it's a crapshoot. And what we've concluded is that it's not true. The reason why it appears that we can't predict in advance whether a customer will buy the products that we're developing is that people at business schools like Harvard teach marketing in a perverse way. And in particular, we've decided that understanding the customer is the wrong unit of analysis. So to illustrate that, just look at me for a second if you wouldn't mind. My name is Clayton Christensen. I am 64-years old unfortunately. I used to be 6 feet 8 inches, unfortunately. And I now am 6 feet 6 inches, unfortunately. And I married a wonderful wife, fortunately. We have five kids. The third of them, Michael, unfortunately came here to Stanford. [LAUGHTER] And I have all kinds of other characteristics and attributes, as you can see. But none of my characteristics or attributes have not yet caused me to buy the "New York Times" today. There might be a correlation between the propensity that I will buy the "New York Times." But my characteristics don't cause me to buy it. Nor do our characteristics and attributes cause us to buy any product or service. And yet, almost all of the work that we do in assessing market potential, we look at the characteristics or attributes of the potential customers. And a better way to think of it, we decided, is that, darn it, every day stuff happens to us. Jobs arise in our life. And when we these jobs arise, we need to find some way to get the jobs done. And some of the jobs are simple incremental things that happen regularly. Others are dramatic and important breakthrough problems. But whenever we have a job to do, we have to find something and pull it into our lives in order to get the job done. And what we decided is understanding the job is the critical key to develop products that we can predictably make and find the customers to buy. So to illustrate this point, a number of years ago, as this idea of the job to be done was emerging from our research, McDonald's was trying to decide how they could improve the sales of their milkshakes. And as some of you might know, McDonald's is a very sophisticated marketing company. And they have data out the gazoo about every dimension of what they're doing. And so, when you go in, on the menu, behind that there is a profile of the demographic profile of the quintessential customer that likes to buy that product when they come. And so, what they've done is they have these cohorts of people who are the quintessential milkshake customers, for example. And it turns out that I fit that profile perfectly. So they would take people like me into conference rooms and ask, can you just help us how we could improve the milkshake so you'd buy more of them? The customers would provide very clear guidance about how to improve it. They would then improve the product on those dimensions. And it had no impact or sales whatsoever on the product. So what we decided is that that's not the right way to frame it. But rather, there's got to be a job out there somewhere that people find themselves needing to get done for which they go to McDonald's to hire a milkshake. And we need to understand what the job is. So one of our colleagues stood in a restaurant one day for 18 hours and just took very careful notes on, what time did they buy these milkshakes? What was he wearing? Was he alone or with other people? Did he buy anything else or just the milkshake? Did they eat it in the restaurant or get in the car and go off with it? And it turned out that about 50% of the customers bought the milkshake before 8:30 in the morning. It was the only thing they bought. They were always alone. And they always got in the car and drove off with it. So we decided we need to understand, what was this job? So we came back the next day and we positioned ourselves outside the restaurant so that we could confront these people as they were emerging with their milkshake. [LAUGHTER] And in language that they could understand, we asked them, I got a problem with your behavior here. What job were you trying to do that caused you to come here to hire this milkshake? And as they would struggle to answer, we'd try to help them by asking, well, look, think about the last time you were in the same situation, needing to get the same job done, but you didn't come here to hire a milkshake. What did you hire to do the job? And it turned out that they all had the same job to do. And that is they had a long and boring drive to work. And gosh, one hand had to be on the wheel. But somebody gave me another hand. And there isn't anything in it to drive with. And I just need to do something while I'm driving. And I'm not hungry yet, but I know that I'll be hungry by 10 o'clock. So I also need something that will just go thunk, and stay there till 10 o'clock. So when I have this problem to do, what else do I hire? And one guy said, I never thought of it in these terms. But last Friday, I hired a banana to do the job. Take my word for it. Never hire bananas. They're gone in less than a minute. I'm hungry by 7:30. Another guy said, you promise not to tell my wife please. But I hire donuts a lot to get this job done. But they actually don't do the job well. I promised my wife that I'm going to lose money. But I add it. And they crumble all over my clothes. And my fingers get gooey. And I put that on the wheel. And another guy said, yeah, I do bagels sometimes. But geez, the bagels are so dry and tasteless. I have to steer the car with my knees while I put the cream cheese on. And then, if the phone rings, I got three problems and two hands. And one guy said, I hired a Snickers bar to do the job. But I felt so guilty I've never heard Snickers again. But let me tell you, whenever I have this job and I come here to hire McDonald's milkshakes, it is so viscous, it takes me 23 minutes to suck it up that thin little straw. Who knows what the ingredients are. I don't care. All I know is it's in my stomach all morning. And it fits right in my cup holder. And it turns out the milkshake does the job better than any of the competitors. And the competitors are not Burger King milkshakes. But it's bananas and donuts and bagels and Snickers bars and coffee and a few other things. And then, it turned out that in the afternoon, it was hired for a very different job. And that is somebody is a parent, just needs to have a sweet uncluttered time to talk about whatever's on the mind of their child. And they hire the milkshakes to do this job. And it does that job very well. But it's a very different job than what the morning job is. And it turns out that this is not unusual that almost always, Peter Drucker said, the customer rarely buys what the company thinks it's selling them. And that's why I said at the beginning that understanding the job is what's critical in developing successful products. The customer is the wrong unit of analysis. Because the customer finds herself needing to have different jobs to be done over the course of a day or a week or a month. So there's a job out there somewhere near here that needs to get done. And people find themselves needing to get this job's job done in different frequencies. And that is, I need to get this from here to there as fast as possible with perfect certainty. How many of you have found that you needed to get this job done in the last year? Almost everybody. It turns out that Julius Caesar had this job to do. But when he had the job, he could hire a horseman and a chariot to get the job done. Queen Victoria had the very same job to do. But she could hire the telegraph and the railroad to get the job done. And Winston Churchill could hire a airplane to get it done. And now, our leaders can hire DHL. But the job itself has been fundamentally unchanged over these centuries. And that's a characteristic of most jobs that they are very stable over time. But the technology that we could hire to get the job done changes at a scaring rate in some times. And so, if we think of the business that we're in as, I'm in the business of DHL and I compete against FedEx, my life is very unpredictable. But if I think of the job to be done as the core business, then life is very stable. And it makes it a lot easier for us to predict what will be the next technology. Let me just describe-- I'm sorry. I need to tell you a couple things about myself. I'm stumbling around, because I've had a couple of rounds of chemotherapy for cancers that I've had. And one of the side effects is that I can't feel my feet. So when I'm looking at you, I don't know if my feet are over there or here. And then, I had a stroke. A clot came from somewhere and lodged itself right there in my brain. And it formulated the portion of my speech where we formulate. It killed the portion of my brain where you formulate speech. This happened about four years ago. And just like that, I lost my ability to speak. And I've been trying to learn how to speak again. And there's a program called Rosetta Stone for English. Turns out, it is very good. But you see in my language, sometimes, I'm struggling to come up with the word. And that's because I lost it. And I'm learning how to speak from the other side of my brain. And I noticed that I notice that I'm speaking to the floor a lot. And the reason why is, if I look at the floor, I can focus on what the next sentence has to be. And if I look at you, you distract me. So it's not that I have become shy all of a sudden. So I apologize for that. Anyway, there is an architecture to every job to be done. So the fundamental foundation is there is a job that I need to know, given the situation that I'm in. And that's an important reason why understanding the customer is the wrong unit of analysis. Because the situation that I'm in has a huge impact on the nature of the job. And every job has a functional and emotional and a social dimension to the job. And the mix of those three depends upon the application of the situation they're in. If we understand what the job is, then we can ask the next question. So what are the experiences in purchase and use that we need to provide in order to do the job perfectly? And if we understand what those experiences are, then we know what to integrate and how to integrate it so that we can provide the experiences needed to get the job done. And if we understand that, then it tells us what kind of brand we need to apply to that product. So that when they find themselves needing to get the job done, that brand pops into their head. So to summarize why it's important-- the reason why we need to understand the opportunity in terms of the job rather than the customer. We need to understand what the job the customer needs to do. We need to understand how customers will choose us. And we also need to then be able to say what we can do that other people can't, which is how we integrate. And finally, how will everyone know what product does the job best. There's a job that arises in people's lives that happened to our son Mike when he came out here to start at Stanford. And after a couple days out here, he called Christine and me back. And he said, Mom and Dad, I found our apartment. And I need to furnish my apartment tomorrow. And so there's a job that Mike needed to be done. That is, I need to furnish my apartment tomorrow. When you find that you have that job to be done, is there a brand that pops into your mind that says, this is what I can do to get this job done perfectly? AUDIENCE: Ikea. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Ikea. How many of you said the word Ikea in your mind when I told you what the job was? Look around. Isn't that interesting? And that's what we mean by a purpose brand. We need to organize our product around a job that does it so perfectly that anybody around the world who find themselves needing to get that job done, they think of Ikea. And Ikea has no competitors. There are other retailers that sell furniture. But there is nobody in the world that is organized around that job to be done. As a result, they are wildly profitable. And you think about this for a minute. Their owner is the third richest guy in the world. The quality of the furniture that they buy is marginal. And they sell it to the low end of humanity, college graduates. [LAUGHTER] And clearly, they are able to get a premium. Their customers are delighted to pay a premium price for their products. And the reason why that is is that, if you hire a product to get the job done and it doesn't do the job well, then you have to take it back or throw it away or give it or repair it and go out and find something that will do the job done well. And if that doesn't do well, then you have to test it and talk to your friends. And when you find yourselves buying a product and you find that it doesn't do the job well, it is very costly to find something that does it well. And that's the reason why it can be so profitable if you organize around a job to be done. Because the customers will be delighted to pay a premium price for your product, because the alternative of something that doesn't do the job well is very costly. So that's the first type of innovation. And we call them potential products, because we don't know their potential unless we understand the job to be done. The second type of innovation we call sustaining products that make good products better. And so, the day after we launch into a new product where you figured out there's a job to be done-- we have a product to do the job well-- immediately, we start improving those products. And we call those products sustaining innovations. And they're important. When we look around the world as we walk around, almost all of the innovations that we see are sustaining products. They help companies keep their margins healthy. They are the mechanism for gaining market share. And those of you who are working on AdWords and other of your products are engaged in sustaining innovations. They're critical. But because they replace older products with new ones, they don't create growth. So imagine that I'm working for Toyota. And I convince you to buy the Prius, the hybrid car. Then, you won't be buying a Camry. If I sell you this year's best product, you won't buy last year's best product. And so, by their very nature, sustaining innovations, although they are important, are replicative in character. And most of what we think about as innovation are of this sort. So that's the second type of innovations. The third type of innovation we call disruption. And they create growth. So let me describe-- this is going to be a complicated slide before we're done. So I apologize in advance. But you'll see these three concentric circles. And what they're made to represent is that, actually, you can describe the history of any company in terms of these three circles. The innermost circle represents the customers who have the most money and the best access to a product or service. And then, as you go to the larger circles, they represent larger populations of people who have progressively less money. Almost always, industries begin in the center, because the first products and services are so costly and complicated that only people who have a lot of that are able to buy it and use it. So given that, I want to then describe what disruption is and why it creates growth. So I'll put on the vertical axis the performance of product or services over time. In every market there are two trajectories. The first one is, in every market there is a trajectory of improvement that customers are able to utilize in their lives. And we don't think about this very much, but our lives don't change a lot. And that's why this is so flat. Then, in every market, there's a different trajectory of improvement that innovating companies provide as they keep introducing better and better products. And the most important finding about this is this trajectory of technological progress almost always outstrips the ability of customers to use the product. And what it means is that a technology, at the beginning that isn't very good actually is prone to overshoot what those same customers are able to utilize at a later point in time. And there's not much gray hair in the room. But if you talk to somebody who was in their teens or 20s in the 1980s, we were, at that time, trying to figure out how to use, learning how to type on those early personal computers. About every 30 seconds, you had to stop and let the Intel 286 chip catch up to you. Because the world's fastest microprocessor could not even keep pace with our fingers on the left-hand side. But if you take your computer apart now and just look at the microprocessor there, we utilize only about 15% of the capability of that processor. Intel has just way overshot what most customers in mainstream applications are able to use. Now, some of the innovations that help good products better are incremental innovations. Others are dramatic breakthrough innovations. But we use a word for them that we call sustaining innovations, which was on the last slide, because they're really important. Almost always, incumbent companies who are the leaders on the left-hand side of the diagram find themselves still on top of the industry when these battles of sustaining innovation are over. And if you want to start a new business and you want it to be successful and you think you can beat the incumbents by making better products that you could sell for better profits to the customers best competitors, they will kill you. And the evidence is really very strong. It doesn't matter how big or powerful you are. If you think that you can beat the incumbents in their market, they will kill you. And we could spend a lot of time on that. But there's another type of innovation that we call disruptive innovations. And disruptive innovations transform products which, in the middle, were too complicated and expensive. Now, disruption makes it so much more affordable and accessible that many more people are able to use those products or services. And almost always, entering companies typically win at disruption. And that's exactly what Google did, right? Because advertisement and finding customers and making things known-- you had to have a lot of money to play in that game. And then, your technologies and services made it so that anybody could find what they needed, whether you're a buyer or a seller. And you changed the world by making it affordable and accessible. And none of the incumbents who you guys beat are around today, because entrants typically win. And let me describe why. So living in Boston as we have for the last three decades, there was, in the 1970s and '80s a company there called Digital Equipment Corporation. And at that time, Digital was widely viewed as Google is now. It was the most widely admired company in all the world. And when you read explanations about why they were so successful, always success was attributed to the brilliance of their management team. Then, about 1988, Digital Equipment just fell off the cliff and began to unravel very quickly. When you then read explanations about why they had stumbled so badly, always it was attributed to the ineptitude of the management team. And the very same people were running the company. And for a while, I framed the problem as, gosh, I wonder how smart people could get so stupid so fast? And that's really the explanation that most people churn up when a company stumbles. That somehow, a company that the management team that had its act together at one point were out of their league at another time. But the real reason why the stupid manager hypothesis just didn't feel right is that every company that made the same class of computers-- we called them mini-computers. They were about the size of this pulpit. Every company that made that were killed in unison. It wasn't just Digital Equipment. But it was Data General, Prime, Wang, Nixdorf, Hewlett Packard, Honeywell. And you'd expect these people to collude on pricing occasionally. But to collude to collapse was a stretch. [LAUGHTER] And trying to understand why they'd do that was the puzzle that we had. So as we understood it a little bit better, we realized that this minicomputer was quite a complicated product that had to be sold direct to the customer. And the selling process involved a lot of training and support and service and software. And you had to have a cost like that in the business to play in the game. And that meant that Digital Equipment had to generate gross margins of 45% on computers that sold for $250,000. And that's how they made their money. Now, in their company, as in every company, there were people coming in through the 1980s all the time with ideas for new products that they could develop. Some of these entailed making better products than they had ever made before. In fact, these mini-computers would be so good that they could reach up into the tiers of the market where people historically had to buy mainframe computers. You looked at those business models. They could generate gross margins of 60%. And you could sell the products for twice as much money. So while the management was trying to decide if that's what they should do, there were other people coming in saying, ladies and gentlemen, you don't get it. Just look out the window. Everybody is buying personal computers, which was the case in the 1970s and '80s. But when management would look out, in fact, they could see that everybody was making personal computers. But there were a couple of other things that bothered them a lot. The first one-- do you remember how crummy those early personal computers were? Apple sold the Apple II as a toy to children. Not a single one of Digital's customers could even use a personal computer for the first 10 years that they were in the management. And then, they got no signal from their customers that the personal computer mattered. Because in fact, it didn't to them. And then, when you looked at the business details, it looked a lot worse. Because these small computers only generated gross margins of 40%. And they were headed to 20% quickly. And you could only earn those paltry percentages on computers that sold for $2,000 bucks. And so, the question that the management had to address was, gosh, guys, let's sit down here. I wonder if we should make better products that we could sell for better profits to our best customers? Alternatively, maybe we should make worse products that none of our customers would buy that would ruin our margins. What should we do? [LAUGHTER] And it is a very, very hard problem. And we call it the innovator's dilemma. Because doing the right thing is the wrong thing. And doing the wrong thing is the right thing. Can you think about where else you've seen this happen? Where somebody comes in with a simple product going after customers who historically couldn't have access to it and then it just grew up and killed the leaders? AUDIENCE: Blackberry. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: BlackBerry. Yeah, they just knocked off sitting down with a laptop. And then, Apple disrupted BlackBerry. And now, Samsung and Huawei are in the process of disrupting Apple. It's a good one. Where else have you seen it? AUDIENCE: Disc drives. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Disc drives. The big ones disrupted by the little ones. And then, the flash disrupted disc drives. And almost all of them are out of business now. That's a good example. You guys look like you make a lot of money. [LAUGHTER] And I saw Lexus outside left and right in the parking lot. But that's not how Toyota entered America, with Lexuses. Toyota came in with a rusty little sub-compact in the 1960s called the Corona. And it was so much more affordable and accessible that the rebar of humanity, people we call college students, could own a car. And so, they came out here by making it affordable. And in the backplane, General Motors and Ford were making big cars for big people. And people would see Toyota coming in. And Toyota went from a Corona to a Tercel, Corolla, Camry, Avalon, 4-Runner, Sequoia, and then the Lexus. And as Toyota were coming up there going after new customers, they'd say, we ought to go get those buggers. And so, they'd design a Pinto or a Chevette and try to sell subcompacts into the marketplace. But then, their finance people would look at the money that they could make in subcompacts with the profitability that they could making bigger SUVs and bigger pickup trucks to even bigger people. It absolutely made no sense to defend the low end of the business, when they had the opportunity to make good products better. Who's killing Toyota? They don't feel like they're getting killed, incidentally. AUDIENCE: It's probably [INAUDIBLE]. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah, the Koreans are just killing them at the low end. And Toyota is doing the right thing. Because why would they ever try to defend the low end of their business when they have the privilege of competing against Mercedes at the high end? And then, the Chinese manufacturers are coming next. And we seriously don't need to worry about them. [LAUGHTER] And one of the reasons why this is so hard is that what is coming out in this dimension, in the third dimension, is that it competes against non-consumption. Because the products are so costly and expensive that behind them there are no customers. They are potential customers, but if you make it affordable and accessible. And so, looking at their world, it looks as if they're doing just fine. And it's why, almost always, you have to have a new company with new people who are looking in the other direction. Because you're competing against non-consumption by making it affordable and accessible. And that's why growth comes in this dimension. And almost always we find-- AUDIENCE: Huh. So I guess, do you have examples of companies that have successfully taken advantage of this notion of disruption where they themselves [INAUDIBLE], within their own company, that disruption to take place? CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah, it's a great question. It turns out that there really are a few who have done that, where they were the leaders and, then, they became the leader in the new wave without getting killed in the old one. But only a few. And in every case, they succeeded by setting up a completely independent business unit and gave it able to create a different profit formula and develop different processes. So as a good example, IBM just dominated the mainframe business. But there were eight companies that made mainframe computers. The other seven all got killed when the mini-computer came in underneath. But IBM succeeded by setting up-- they made their mainframes in Poughkeepsie, New York. And they made their mini-computers in Rochester, Minnesota. And there were nine companies that made mini-computers. Only one of them, IBM, succeeded. And they did it by setting up a different business unit in Florida and made them figure out how to make products at 25% gross margins, instead of 40% or 60%. Hewlett-Packard did it once when the laser printer got disrupted by inkjet printer. And they set up the ink jet separately in Vancouver and had their own sales force. And they did very well. But both of those companies are in deep trouble now. Because they haven't continued to follow that of launching disruptive innovations and keeping it separate. So we've had three types of innovations, potential innovations, which we understand by understanding the job to be done; sustaining innovations make good products better; efficiency innovations helps us to do more with less. The role that they have in growth is that they keep us competitive, but they reduce jobs. But they do create free cash flow. And so Wal-Mart is an efficiency innovation. The Toyota production system is an efficiency innovation. And again, they're important. Because if we're not getting more efficient, otherwise we'd get killed sooner rather than later. So this is a view of where growth comes from. So the first step is we've got to understand the job and develop a product that does the job well. And essentially, what that does is it puts us in the center of the market. And then, disruptive innovations make products better and accessible. So they create growth. Sustaining innovations make good products better. And efficiency innovations allow us to make more with less. And that's a manager's view of where growth comes from. Now, why are we not able to keep the growth? And I put the problem at the feet of finance people who are taught finance at places like Harvard. So there are two elements that are quite important. One is a doctrine that they teach in finance that we call abundance and scarcity. Now, what that means is, if I've taken a order from you, in order to deliver what I tell you I will offer, I have to array the inputs required. And some of the inputs will be costly and scarce, like platinum. And you've got to be really careful about how you use platinum. And others are abundant and cheap, like sand. And I can waste sand. So we have to take care of what's costly. And we can waste what's abundant. And you'll see in finance, historically, we needed to carefully husband the use of capital, because capital was costly and scarce. But now it's abundant and cheap. And the world has really changed on us. The second element that finance brought to us is they decided that we should measure our success using ratios rather than whole numbers. Now, when I studied finance in the 1970s, we were taught finance by whole numbers, like millions of dollars or tons of cash. But starting in the mid 1980s, shortly after, Dan [? Dricklan ?] developed the spreadsheet, the analysts who grabbed a hold of the spreadsheet started to be bothered that, as analysts, they wanted to be able to compare Cisco with Sun Microsystems. And they're different companies. And so, if I compare them with whole numbers, I couldn't make much sense. But what they realized is if they measured success by ratios, then you could compare two companies that are not comparable. So if they want to compare you with Microsoft in whole numbers, it makes no sense. But in fractions, then it commoditizes everything around the denominator. So fractions-- I got back to my fifth grade math. A ratio is a fraction. It has the numerator and a denominator. And so, if I want to grow, there are metrics that we used. And one is return on net assets or RONA. And another one is internal rate of return, IRR. And these are fractions. So if I'm the manager and I want to get RONA up, sure, I could be more profitable by being more innovative and put the profit on the numerator of the ratio. But holy cow, if that's hard, the denominator is assets. And I just have to outsource everything to get assets off of the denominator. But either way, improving the numerator or decreasing the denominator, RONA goes up. And it turns out that it is easier to outsource than it is to make more profit. And so, in the pursuit of RONA, we just outsource more and more and more. And then, internal rate of return is a ratio. The numerator is profit. The denominator is, how quickly do I get my money out after I put my money in? And either way, the internal rate of return improves by doing the numerator or the denominator. And because profit is harder to achieve than to only invest in things that pay off in the short-term, more and more companies are investing only in short-term payoff projects, because that's the way they get IRR up. And so, what's happening to us as a nation-- and I think you guys temporarily are doing a good job-- is we're losing our growth because of what finance taught us to do. So just imagine that I'm making a really good job at efficiency innovations. And that creates free cash flow. And we have so much cash that we have to ask analysts to tell us where we should put our money. So the analysts will look at that disruptive history. And they say, we ought to use our money to create disruptive companies. But the problem is, if we invest in disruptive companies, they pay off in five to 10 years. And so internal rate of return will tank. And if we start to create disruptive companies, we'll have to put assets back onto their balance sheet. On the other hand, if we use our money to do another round of efficiency innovations, they pay off in six months to three years. There is no risk. The market is there. It creates free cash flow. So if you wouldn't mind just this once, what I'd like to do is use our money to do another round of efficiency innovations. And I do that. And the problem is, we have more free cash flow. And we've got to figure out, what do we do with all of this stuff? So can we look at the analyst, say, just take another deeper look at disruptive innovations. And so, he does. And he said, the problems are just the same. If we invest to create disruptive products, they pay off in five to 10 years and IRRs are going to go down. And RONA goes down, because it needs assets. So if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to just use our money just one more time to do another round of efficiency innovations. And the problem is, it creates more capital. What are we going to do with all this capital? My gosh! And so, I just do it again and again and again. And that's what's happened in our economies in Japan and Europe and, increasingly, in North America. Because we have chosen to measure success with these ratios, our analysts grab that free cash flow and use it to create more free cash flow. And if you want to know what's going to happen to America, just look at Japan. Because in the '60s, '70s, and most of the '80s, Japan's economy was growing at unprecedented rates. And the reason why they were growing was because they had companies in that economy that kept investing in disruptive innovations. So Toyota made cars affordable for mankind. Honda made motorcycles affordable for mankind. Sony made a 10-transistor pocket radio that allowed teenagers to listen to rock-and-roll. And the reason why you guys have printers in your offices and your homes is that Canon disrupted Xerox. But because they made things affordable and accessible, billions of people around the world were able to own and use things that historically had been beyond their reach. And that forced these companies to make more products. And that meant that they had to hire more people to make them and distribute them and sell them and service them. And for 30 years, they had no economic recessions. They had no unemployment, because they were going after people who were competing against non-consumption. And in the late 1980s, the analysts in Japan started to measure their success as gross margins and net present values and internal rates of return. And since 1990, in Japan, they have not yet generated a single new disruptive innovation. And their economy just went "ppt." It's been flat-lined for 25 years. And they have capital everywhere. And the cost of capital is nearly $0. And yet, they can't grow, because of the metrics that they have chosen. And that's what I worry a lot for the United States. Increasingly, the financial analysts are causing us to use our capital to create capital. And the cost of capital is nearly $0. And yet, most companies aren't organized to invest to grow. And you guys are doing a good job temporarily. [LAUGHTER] Anyway, those are just a few of the thoughts that we have about where growth comes from and how to deal with it. AUDIENCE: So for a company like Google, what metrics would you suggest to break out of this vicious cycle? CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Well, there is no metric that any analyst has developed or is motivated to develop. So there are analysts, like Moody's and S&P-- any indicator that they have is very short-term. They have their metrics about this year and next year. But that's it. And we don't have a metric that will allow an analyst to say, for this company, 10 years from now, they are going to be in great shape. Because these are the products that they have in the pipeline. And so, you guys have to develop your own. It turns out that God didn't tell us to use those metrics. Somebody decided to use those metrics. But it wasn't God who told us. And so, we ought to then say to those-- whoever it was that told us the metrics-- screw you guys. Here's the metric by which we want to be analyzed. It's a great question. Yes? AUDIENCE: So you opened talking about how the labor force takes a long time to come back and it's because people are investing in the things that give you more capital efficiencies. And one of the ones that I think is the bigger investment that you see here at Google is artificial intelligence. So if you look at humanity as a job to be done, before the Industrial Revolution you had to get things built or made. And human muscles were a good way to do that. And this decade, we're looking at, the job to be done is people need to think about things and solve problems. And human brains are pretty good at that. But now, AI is coming. It's cheaper. It's more scalable. What are going to be the jobs that humans can do after this AI revolution. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah, that's a great question. So these are just a couple of things that I worry about in that initiative. So we might think, by analogy, a driverless car as a technology is a complicated problem. If we are targeting the California freeway as the application for a driverless car, that is a very complicated application. And there are all kinds of legal issues that are just-- and the technology needs to be pretty sophisticated. And maybe that'll happen. Maybe it won't. But we don't think about, if we change this, what are all of the other things that need to change in order to enable this technology to develop? And so, our theory says that where you ought to look is on a farm. And John Deere has wireless tractors going up and down. And the application is very simple. And almost always, when you try to make it affordable and accessible, you start with very simple applications and then, little by little, do that on. But competing with non-consumption is really critical. And so, AI-- what I worry about is, although we think that it will make us be able to be better thinkers at lower cost, I worry that the applications of these are actually quite complicated. And that we don't think about, what are all of the other things that have to occur in order to for our piece to make it? And so, it could be a big thing. But I'd bet that, in the process, we'll realize that we should go after simple applications. And that typically forces us to hire more people. But it's a good one. Because whether you call it an efficiency innovation or a disruptive innovation makes a big differences as to the outcome. Thanks. AUDIENCE: I just want to say, thanks for coming. Reading your book was actually one of the reasons I did my MBA and ended up here. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Oh geez. AUDIENCE: So you had a pretty tangible effect on my life. But-- CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Oh, you're kind. AUDIENCE: So I want to see if you could help clarify the way that we talk about disruption in regard to the technology itself. And we have a couple of technologies at Google that could be considered-- that are often called disruptive technologies, artificial intelligence, machine learning, which is very much being built internally to the organization. It's helping improve what we do as a company and could be seen as a sustaining innovation. And then, we have autonomous cars, which are being treated-- built at X, external-- much more in line with the disruptive model. So is it the technology that's a disruption? Or is it the application of the technology? Is it the market effect that makes it disruptive? What is it disruptive to? CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah, that's a great question. It's actually really important for you to say what you just said. Because in many ways, I made a mistake calling the phenomena disruptive disruptive. Because there are so many connotations of the word disruptive in the English language. And so, there are a lot of people who call anything that is a dramatic improvement or a breakthrough-- we call it disruptive. And that's not true. So almost always, disruption is built within the business model of the enterprise, not by developing the best technology. Because typically, you can take a technology and deploy it onto the California freeway or on a corn field in Iowa. And how you deploy it determines it's disruptiveness. And that's really an important one to do. And people say that I'm a Jewish mother of business in that I'm always worried about everything. But I worry about you guys. Because I think that you are very good at developing potentially disruptive innovations. But I don't think you worry nearly enough about the business models that you have to build that would then take your technology into an application that competes against non-consumption. And I think that's a very important concept. And I don't think I'm totally wrong about that. AUDIENCE: So I also want to start by praising your book. I think it's the best book I've ever read. And it's hard to think of something else that has impacted how I think as much. But-- CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: You're kind. You have low standards, but-- [LAUGHTER] AUDIENCE: You think so? Well, here comes the but. So I've been wondering this for a little while. But how do you explain certain products that have transformed industries and up-ended incumbents but don't fit into the framework of low-end disruption? So off the top of my head, Uber, iPhone, Tesla, all started from the very, very highest end of the market and trickle downwards from there. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah. Well, let's take them one at a time, because those are all really good examples. So the theory would say that Tesla is a sustaining innovation, right? So they come in at the high end of the market. And they're deploying it in a very demanding application, which is the California freeway. And what the theory says is that they might be able to develop the product that is the best in the world. But if they go after the best customers of the leaders up there, these guys are going to harness whatever they can. And they will do their best to knock them out. Or they will acquire them. So in a lot of ways, you could think of disruption as a theory of competitive response. If I do this, what will the competitors do? And when Toyota came in with the simple product, the theory predicts that Detroit will just ignore them. And so, what's happened is, yes, Tesla is the best with the best product. But Porsche has spent $1 billion dollars. And they have a completely electric car now. And you can just smell BMW all around them. And so, the theory might be wrong. But the theory would say that these other guys are either going to kill Tesla or acquire them. And that's what it would be. But just like a $100,000 Porsche has not transformed the world, a electric car at that price point actually won't. And that's what the theory says. And Christine and I were in Beijing four weeks ago, walking down the road. And here is this electric car that was as wide as me. And if I had a passenger I had to fold her up and put it in the boot. And it cost $2,500. And that's where I think the transforming technology will come from. Apple-- there are a couple of answers to that. But what allowed them to survive when they came in at the high end of the wireless phone market, is they came in to disrupt the laptop. And they have disrupted the laptop. And that's why they have succeeded. If they had stayed and simply tried to compete against BlackBerry-- they had the benefit for a while of-- the BlackBerry had an architecture that was excruciatingly interdependent. And so, you couldn't develop apps for it. And then, Apple came up with-- internally, it's interdependent. But there was a standard port, so apps could be developed. And that blew BlackBerry out of the water. But then, the Android operating system and Huawei and Samsung are just killing Apple. Because they're being disruptive in the conventional way. So on average, I think we can understand why it's happening. But sometimes, it takes a few years rather than a few months. AUDIENCE: So what about Uber? CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Yeah. AUDIENCE: The incumbent's not going to acquire Uber. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: That's right. And it taught me a lot about the theory with Uber. So it is true. Well, first, they came up and they disrupted the black sedans. And that's unambiguous. But then, they came down and they're making a better product than the taxis at roughly the same price. And they've blown them out of the water. They didn't come in at the bottom. And what we realized is that there is a correlation between their coming at the bottom of the market and being successful as disruptors. But the reason why that's correlative not causal is, you look at the business model of Uber, and the taxi is very asset intensive. They own the car and the medallion. And their costs are fixed cost intensive. And they just had to have these taxis on the road 24/7 in order to make money. And the Uber business model is they have no assets. And their costs are all variable, not fixed. And the taxis actually just can't get there from here. And so, in our thinking, we've decided that we don't want to say they always start at the low end. But they have to develop a business model where the incumbents just can't get there from here. And that's what makes it disruptive. So I learned a lot from that. AUDIENCE: Thank you. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: You're welcome. Thank you. MATT: All right, I'm going to read one from the Dory. What did you notice in your own life or the world around you that inspired you to write "How will you Measure your Life?" And how can companies and institutions help their employees approach measuring their lives in a better way? CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: Wow. Thank you for your question. We're hitting at 3 o'clock. So can I answer this one? And for you guys, can we just talk afterwards. I'm sorry to do that to you. AUDIENCE: Yeah, sounds good. CLAYTON CHRISTENSEN: So why we wrote this book about how you measure your life is just I described here how the metrics that they were using caused them to spend their time and energy in developing-- they did not intend to do what they actually did. And what I realized is why they so invested in things that cause them to fail wasn't that they were stupid. But the resource allocation process-- the metrics caused them to put their money in a direction that they did not intend to pursue. So anyway, where I worked at the Harvard Business School, the core competence of the Harvard Business School is we are really good at soaking our alumni for donations. [LAUGHTER] And so, every five years, we invite all of our alumni to come back. And we remember them to please bring their wallets. And we're really good at this. So because Christine and I have lived in Boston ever since I graduated, we've gone to all of these 5, 10, 15-year reunions. And I remember when we came back for our fifth reunion. Oh my gosh! Most of my friends had married people who were much better looking than my friends were. They had kids that were well-behaved. And their jobs were going well. And just everything that we imagined would be true was unfolding as we thought. But then, I noticed for the 10th reunion, gosh, a lot of people who I was looking forward to seeing didn't show up. And when I asked common friends, where is so-and-so? More often than I ever imagined the answer was that he's in the middle of an awful divorce and he just doesn't want to talk about it. And for the 15th reunion, there were even fewer people. And when I'd ask about them, more often it was not, it's he's in an awful divorce or their spouse remarried and now they're raising their children on the other side of the country. And they just don't want to talk to anybody about what life had turned out the wrong way. And then, by the 20th and the 25th reunions, it was really scary. And it was the same problem. I can tell you with perfect certainty that not a single one of my classmates when we graduated from Harvard planned to go out and raise children who hate their guts and get divorced one or two or three times. Our intention was to create homes where there was happiness there. And it was a source of happiness for the rest of our lives. But that was what we intend to do. And how we spent our time and energy was just the opposite of that. And the reason why is the very same thing. It's the metrics. So those of us who are driven to achievement-- that includes at least 100% of us-- when we have that need for achievement, then, when we have an extra 30 minutes of time or an ounce of energy, we instinctively spend our time and energy on whatever activities will give us the most immediate and tangible evidence of achievement. And our careers provide that. So every day at work, I ship a product, I finish a project, I get promoted, I get paid, we close another deal. And every day, I get immediate and tangible evidence of achievement at work. And then, when I walk into the front door, there's not a lot of evidence of achievement when you look at your kids. On a day-to-day basis, they misbehave every day. The place gets cluttered every day. And it really is not until 20 years down the road when you're able to look at your kids and put your hands on your hips and say, my gosh, we created a wonderful young man or woman. But on the day-to-day basis, there's no evidence of that. And as a result of that, we invest our time and energy in our careers and under-invest in our children and our spouses, even though we plan to have that be the source of energy. And so, that's why I decided I would write that book, "How Will You Measure Your Life?" Anyway-- [APPLAUSE]
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