"Where Do We Stop?" Piers Morgan On Slavery Reparations And Apologising For History

well today is of course the 4th of July so David America celebrates because they booted we British out our monarchy out our Mad King George dropped the ball otherwise I would possibly be king peers right now of the United States of America so we don't obviously celebrate it with quite such enthusiasm over this side of the pond but amid the hot dogs and fireworks even this day of patriotic celebration and the states has become divisive as a growing trend for black Americans to celebrate Juneteenth as an alternative to July 4th veteran congresswoman Max Maxine Waters in 2021 claim a declaration of independence wasn't for equality and it was only for white men a comments were echoed by a fellow Democrat Corey Bush who said black people still aren't free so is there something in all this should these National institutions and occasions the opportunities for reflection and apology rather than celebration well joining me now is best selling all through the war on the western conservative coming to Douglas Murray a country music legend Lee Greenwood and my talk TV contributor Paula Ron Adrian I talked to be a presenter Richard ties all right well Estella panel uh Douglas let me start with you you read a great piece this week for the telegraph about this weird Trend I agree with you I think it's weird where we've been compelled to just apologize constantly for everything that happened in the past why are we doing this that's right it's a very strange Act of masochism really and an act of masochism carried out by people who don't seem to know anything I mean people talk about the British Monarchy having to apologize for slavery it was King George III who signed the anti-slave reaction to law in 1807 Prince Albert gave one of the most extraordinary anti-slavery addresses when the British was still policing the anti-slave trade on the high seas in 1840 to the anti-slavery league in London all of this was addressed 200 years ago and today unfortunately there's a kind of new type of malcontent and usually also a huckster to boot who just decides that the none of this happened usually it's because they don't know it happened and as a result they look at our history and everything in our country right up to just you know innocent pastimes like cricket and they decide to name everything as guilty and you know you could do this to every one and to everything but most civilizations and cultures don't behave like this because most of them aren't just masochistic and so self-hating all right Paula good evening your response to that I actually agree with uh Douglas about the fact that we don't know enough he's absolutely right we don't know enough and it's important that we do but part of the knowledge is also understanding the hurt and pain that were caused not just about the good things it's not just about the cherry picking and Wrongs are not about being masochistic saying sorry is not a bad thing saying sorry is actually a very empowering thing to do why does it matter that a bunch of Royals now get forced into issuing groveling apology who care how does it change anything it doesn't do anything in my estimation to impact on current slavery where it exists around the world it doesn't really make any difference to institutional racism as we've seen in in certain parts of society I don't know what difference it makes it might make people feel a bit better to see a royal groveling but so what see I I don't agree with you surprise surprise I do think it makes a difference I do think it makes a difference that people people in power are heard to acknowledge pain and hurt I do think it's important that people in power have taken the time whose pain and hurt are you talking about it's not it's not people living today these are going back hundreds of years in some cases these crimes of slavery and so on we all agree it was outrageous it's been debated you know really year after year after year we all know this I don't think that people have a lack of knowledge and I'm not quite sure where the apology tour ends what's the end game so the end game is about the ability to understand the true history not just the part of history that we have been taught and that is the difficulty so you're talking about who's the apology for well the apology is for me the apology is for those who have suffered the apology is for those who continue to struggle through colonialism and free slavery and I do think that it's important that royalty are coming forward and saying we apologize for the that's my question to you and you're not answering it if we all say if we all say sorry today it was terrible which we all know yeah can we then say right that's done we're going to look forwards we're going to be positive we're going to celebrate our achievements learn from our failures and we're done with apologizing and so how are we going to learn from our failures if we do not understand what we did wrong you learn from your failures because that's what we're doing at the moment the sort of report you had from man from your failures if you don't report you did wrong if you refuse to accept that you did because the the Cricket Board the ECB they've just produced a report they've reported some of it was good some of it you can criticize or question the point is we've learned from that we're moving on we're celebrating we're being positive otherwise I'll tell you what it does it depresses everybody it leads to it I agree with that I think what it does want to bring in Lee Greenman here who's a big country star in America and he wrote God Bless the USA one of the great anthems celebrating the United States it's July 4th obviously as I said at the start here Lee we don't celebrate it with quite such enthusiasm this side of the pond we sort of take a view that Mad King George dropped the ball a bit but I'm happy for my American friends that you have this day to celebrate you wrote this great uh Anthem really for your country can we be proud of our country anymore or is this kind of this desire to feel this terrible regret about everything an apology for everything does that Ma The Pride how do you feel well I'm going to go out in a limb here and just say the people that I run with and talk to and I believe me I tour Across America all the time we do 140 50 days a year every dog house outhouse and roundhouse and I talked to the American public they listen to what I say listen to what I sang I happen to be a country music performer but I was born in California spent 20 years in Nevada I live in the south now and I wrote this song because it was for Unity it's a unity and for military sacrifice and yeah America started as an interesting Expedition and then an experiment and we fought it out we fought each other in the Civil War and said okay we're gonna bury the hatchet here the trouble is as we move forward a lot of people try to change history I'm okay with history I'm okay with apologizing for what happened back then but I agree with you that was back then let's move forward let's move on past that and let's not change history and try to change what happened yeah I completely agree um Douglas the problem is we've forgotten how to be genuinely proud of our great countries both our America and United Kingdom two of the greatest countries in the world it's almost like every day now somebody somewhere normally on the left the woke left is queuing up to find a reason to hate the countries and their histories well it's it's a kind of grievance competition your guest earlier just tried to engage in it I don't know what hurts she believes she's had from slavery all of this was addressed two centuries ago everything has consequences all history has consequences and ramifications but you know if we were to play this fairly we would at least look at all of the countries around the world that engaged in the slave trade who are simply not interested in any form of reparations that the the Ottoman Empire all the Arab countries who not just traded far more slaves and across the Atlantic but castrated all the men so that there wouldn't be any more African slaves in after them they worked with the bone I see no interest across Africa in paying reparations for selling their brother and sister Africans into slavery or for working them to the Bone to the present day there is slavery across Africa today in fact there are more slaves in the world today than there were at the height of the transatlantic slave trade so some of us are simply a bit bored of hearing people ripping at closed wounds and then crying lying about their hurt or their presumed hurt because everybody could do this a million Europeans were stolen by North Africans over the course of Decades of the North African Barbary pirate slave trade where would you end if you did that the answer is you couldn't end because nobody is alive who has actually suffered the hurt and nobody is alive who did the wrong and I'd make one other point if I may it's always the countries that people want to come to who are put through this struggle session Britain like America and France are among are the most desired destinations for migrants worldwide and have been for centuries why is that it's not because we're racist it's because we're better it's because we're good it's because when we see racism we actually call it out and recognize it as a sin try finding that across Africa try finding that across the middle east or in China nobody would hear so what we have is a situation where the more virtuous countries are presented as the worst countries it's sick and most of us are tired of it thank you Douglas I am so sorry that Douglas is bored by the pain that has come that's not what he said through slavery he didn't say he didn't say it but what you're doing there but hang on Paulie you're being very disingenuous that's not what he's saying the viewers aren't stupid they know they know exactly what he said he's not saying he's bored by the pain he's saying and I think it's a perfectly valid point the pain that people who are alive today are claiming they're suffering so what happened two or 300 years is not a real pain they're not the ones who suffered what was going on 200 years ago so in terms of justice for all I mean I think we'd all agree that well I'm not suffering for when the Norman's invaded this country I'm not suffering from what my ancestors went through I noticed I've not been allowed to respond all from the Romans in other words where do you take this I mean should I now be feeling okay what the Romans did to this in terms of slavery I can take it to 2015 when the slave owners were common stated by the government so I can take it to that what is your personal thing and I can say to you and I can say to you that I don't think that apologizing is a bad thing I think that apologizing for a wrong is a good thing I think that the um Dutch royal family have done a fantastic thing in acknowledging I think all right what has gone I honestly think it'll make no difference at all

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Length: 11min 8sec (668 seconds)

Published: Sun Aug 06 2023