When Negotiations Go Wrong: The ISIS Hostages | ENDEVR Documentary

lay down [Applause] there is an airplane when we went into aleppo at the beginning of november it was means mustafa the fixture and jim and john we were really looking at how the front lines looked um in the city it become a very entrenched war in which a sort of stalemate on many fronts [Music] and then i started having issues with my camera and had to return to istanbul so jim and john wanted to continue on to idlib where they also wanted to look at you know the front lines the fighting and also john had to finish his story on his first kidnapping [Music] so i decided to go back to istanbul for that week and they were in idlib [Music] we've taken all the back roads the driver here has been absolutely brilliant um phoning ahead to see at their checkpoints um going really slowly around ben's in the road to see if there was anything unexpected there past one old army a syrian army checkpoint at that point i think a lot of journalists just shrugged their shoulders in terms of well we weren't really afraid of the bombs and the bullets but we started to get worried about the kidnappings because of how many foreign fighters were there [Music] because there hadn't been very many kidnappings at that time there was this false sense of security and just this idea that you know we could still freely travel inside but i think when we started seeing more foreign fighters there and people being threatened and some people being kidnapped but for a few days at a time that's when the i guess fear started to creep in about about abductions [Music] nicole was waiting for us to cross to turkey to speak with james and james told her we are going we are coming now to cross the cross the border then she called me she asked me what's happened mustafa where are you i'm waiting for her for you i told her they took james and john and we don't know where they are right now and we are looking for them there were there were no demands there had been no ransom calls at least when someone calls for ransom you know what they want and you know that there may be a way of solving this but when people are just disappearing for months and months and months with no news it's very scary the whole situation kind of fell on me it felt that there was this huge responsibility for jim and john's lives and their lives were in my hands because if i'd gotten a call from the captors i wondered what what would i do you know what would i do because of the nature of how they were abducted and mustafa not being sure of who exactly the people were some of them were disguised the four gunmen um it just seemed like where do we start from you really start from a blank slate it could have been that they were taken by a group that was just interested in selling them for money or by a criminal gang that was going to pass them on to another group we thought that maybe islamist groups were responsible for either monetary reasons or political agenda or it could have been that they were taken by shiite groups that were interested in selling them to the government that would have imprisoned them the fog of war is happening there you know like misinformation all everywhere you know i mean like i mean i kind of stopped trying to put the jigs all together you know because syria is such a patchwork of interest groups the first you know 12 to 24 hours is really crucial and so i think i jumped into this very systematic practical mode you know i created spider charts and other journalists were helping me fill in certain gaps and there were so many possibilities of who was responsible so many people they told me yes we can help you and we can bring bring them and we following them to you know until the end and no one no one helped just the money some people they told me how many how much you can pay for them if uh to bring them they need the money and you know they are live maybe they had been taken by the government or was it criminals was it ismus was it rebel brigades with an agenda that they would only come out with later you know so it was just really looking into a black hole and not knowing who was valid or not [Music] the government didn't really get involved until about two weeks after their kidnapping and even then it wasn't really like they were gonna take over it was just trying to gather information from from me and my sources but the problem was that the people they sent to me seemed like junior officers and didn't seem particularly gung-ho about getting him home on the 22nd of november they awoke at around 9 a.m they went to the storm internet cafe where james foley skyped nicole tong they stayed about 25 minutes then left the cafe in a taxi mustafa did not notice anybody following them as they started to turn left onto the unpaved road a silver hyundai van drove up alongside them and then pulled in front of them as the van was driving up mustafa heard john say oh [ __ ] don't stop the men approached the taxi shouting in arabic they were pointing their weapons and shouting get down get out they held a kalashnikov to mustafa's head he was made to tie john's hands john said to mustafa please help not again john's country's story is very unique country was kidnapped before that as well by this group which was not part of the islamic state yet it was a jihadist group so country was freed and then when he came back to the united kingdom he was instrumental in a trial against one of the members of this group which was a doctor who had gone from britain to syria in order to join this organization were you a part of any of the groups that were operating in that area at the time i was not attached to any group i was a doctor who was given protection by everyone and for five days i treated him for his injuries now the reasons for his injuries and what happened with him had nothing to do with me the only part i had the only role i had with john kentny and general mullermans in 2012 was as a doctor attending to my patients well you know what became obvious was that people in syria and also in the border areas of turkey felt that these two guys had been arrested because of what john cantley told the police which may be untrue but that was the perception i was quite surprised how how it could be that i save two guys in a war zone give them medical treatment and then they get me arrested but it turns out that these two witnesses never never did give any evidence against me nor did they even request for me to be arrested where john and james targeted because of the story i don't think they were targeted because of the story but the fact that john by that time was a more or less well-known journalist basically the risk for them was slightly higher than for for just another journey i think assad's forces are currently in idlib which is only five kilometers to our west we've been trying to get into idlib for a few days now but apparently the roads are just just there's no way it's not secure but we'll keep trying i had a theory that maybe the people who were involved with john's first kidnapping and who remained in syria not the ones who went back to the uk were responsible and and because they were quite visible as foreign journalists um spending their time in the idlib region same region where john had previously been kidnapped and then being in in a public internet cafe uh for three hours filing you know anybody could have done a search about his case and seen his photo come up on google which made them targets immediately [Applause] we've pushed in with the kativa with several categories there's probably about uh 40 guys here or so which wasn't ideal um we've now got a motorway directly off our left which you can't cross because it's a motorway there's a footbridge but they've got two t-72s right there next to the footbridge so we've basically walked into um a bad area um so it's time for tea and lots of discussion and where is nato and we've only got kalashnikov but uh um certainly so far with uh this group just this is going nowhere it's 9 30 so the best thing to do is get out of here as safely as we can [Applause] there are a couple of stories of of them being recognized in aleppo already you know like because well in the uk john was all of the news when we when we came back so that's there was a lot of footage about him and it was it could be recognized and i think there were a lot of a lot of jihadi uh rebels uh from the uk in syria as well that they were in touch with their uh with news from the uk and it might well have been that i actually recognized him at the beginning of november john jim and i and mustafa took a trip into aleppo together we did go to a front line in one of the neighborhoods that the rebels were holding at that time in 2012 we knew that there were foreign jihadis coming into syria and we'd gotten out so many times that we thought we were going to get out again and one of the red flags is just staying in one place too long these very little calculations can make a huge difference when our kidnap ended um there was basically the fsa free syrian army was was instrumental in in in getting us out and that resulted in a in in in clashes between fsa and and and jihadi groups as well among among them the jihadi group that captured us and that resulted in in some casual casualties on their parts as well so there were there were people out for revenge i think do you think that the the men that that stopped you do you think that they knew who john and james was i think yes i see i think yes because they took my id and they they let me know they let me go they said okay leave now and we will take this these guys there's people who say like why did you have to go back to the same place that we were capturing i mean and with hindsight i don't understand that either [Music] i went to the same spot but the thing was it was such an unremarkable stretch of road where they were kidnapped i was able to find the approximate location where they were taken because mustafa our fixer was able to describe pretty clearly where it had happened we did a slow drive through the area for about five or six minutes and the whole time i just kept thinking how bizarre it was and how unremarkable that area was and what it must have felt like for both jim and john at the time i didn't know if there were witnesses and i wondered if there was anybody who was standing by watching what was happening at the time yeah i just kept thinking how weird it was but i think when i saw the place i just had this sense that maybe i wouldn't see them again after that all the leaves died away really i mean like there was no more information nothing coming from syria anymore and it just disappeared and taken off the earth basically jim worked for us as a journalist and we were looking hard i mean we had investigators you know on the uh syria uh turkey border for months asking everybody they could find going into syria talking to people there and all we got was denials and there were explicit denials from jihadist groups they weren't identified as islamic state isis they must have been lying as it appears in retrospect [Music] hello just i want to know that uh how do you know james uh and how you met him are you a journalist i am not journalist i work many journalists with whom you wear in the jail like james foley and whom my friend please and please okay yes you want to come you're welcome okay yeah of course i give you a very good story don't worry are they isis themselves who kidnapped you with the you wear with gems or please i don't want to be complete no but i didn't understand why it's dangerous to talk in the phone when you come you understand me okay okay okay okay yeah yeah thank you so much no he's lying i think so when baghdadi announced the formation of isis in syria in april 2013 amar elabsi became the wally of aleppo which meant he oversaw all islamic state activities within the province that was the province where most journalists were going in that was the prominent province in which most journalists and aid workers were ultimately kidnapped there was an unbelievable spike in abductions from the moment absolutely was in charge of aleppo well the kidnapping on locals became rampant right from the beginning of the civil war everybody was kidnapping rich syrians in order to fund their own fights they started kidnapping foreigners when of course all the wealthy syrians had moved out so at that point the foreigners became a very good way to fund various organizations who would kidnap john cantley or james foley and sell it to another organization for maybe ten thousand dollars maximum same amount of small money but of course different kind of people it appears that at some point in time the islamic state decided that they wanted to aggregate as many of these western hostages as they could maybe they thought they would be valuable in the manner that they did become valuable maybe they thought they would be a bargaining chip in some other way it's been suggested that it was a matter of prestige you know the group that had the most western hostages was the most successful most powerful and the fact that they made no effort to communicate for an entire year you know is surprising [Applause] uh young recruits from belgium uh yuyun bontink who i wrote about for the new yorker magazine got cold feet on arrival he ended up being a hostage of the group he had tried to join and eventually he long after isis formed he ended up in the same prison cell in aleppo as james foley and john kentley and a german hostage named tony newkirk john and james told yoon that they'd been kidnapped initially by javato nusra and then they were traded among four or five locations before ending up in the hospital in aleppo which was under isis control presumably on every move they were blindfolded and all the rest so we don't really know who who was in charge of each move but at a certain point they were isis hostages that was november of 2013 hard on that we got the first email from the kidnappers that was a a watershed moment for us that we knew that it was jim that he was alive and that we were dealing with the people who had him uh but we knew little about them and uh and then they went silent within a relatively short period of time after that [Music] time is a is a tool that uh is malleable you can use it for as long as you want you can call somebody or reach out to somebody and then wait two months before you do it again or you can wait three months before you ever reach out to them and then an intense negotiation goes on where it's almost daily contact or a sporadic or intermittent contact and all these things are tools that the kidnappers use and the more experience to the kidnapping group the better they are at using any combination of these tools to pressure to get the result that they're looking for the united states government will not make concessions such as paying ransom to terrorist groups holding american hostages and i know this can be a subject of significant public debate it's a difficult and emotional issue especially for the families with the european hostages in almost every case or in every case their governments were directly involved in negotiations may or may not have paid all or some of the ransom and in every case the islamic state released the hostage killing a french hostage was not going to achieve what they wanted to achieve as you know killing an american australia and because the u.s and the uk ever had also this attitude towards hostages we do not negotiate um the simple fact that some ostriches were released and others were not also exposed to the world the double standards those who are in the hostage-taking business because it is a business decide they're going to go after the french and the italians and the spanish or others because they know they can get money for them if a government says we will negotiate for the release of our people then any terror group not only in the middle east but anywhere in the world understands that if you kidnap an american the government will negotiate with you which then opens the open season on diplomats on international business people and everything so the government must say no we will not negotiate american government they are not care about the journalists who are kidnapped and no let the armor happen like they are making excuse that they are they don't want to support their tourists the us position now is we'd prefer to do this militarily you know blackhawk helicopters joint special operations command units going in and trying to do rescue operations but the track record there is not very good i don't even know where they were being held when their final holding place like well at least the exact location so well special forces didn't know that either [Applause] my underlying objective was to do everything we could as the president has said to rescue these hostages the enemy always has a say it's expensive it's dangerous and it didn't succeed the special operations soldiers that do go into certain areas do engage and the captive or captives aren't there was it worth it in the end what are we really accomplishing how timely is that intelligence is this new news is this old news what are the chances they've been moved since you last got intelligence what are the risks to u.s personnel going in to try to effectuate a rescue what are the risks to other civilians who may be in the vicinity you don't want to send in a lot of special forces that risk getting them killed um particularly if your information may be stale and the the hostage may not even be there they pretty much knew that they weren't there but they sent in a team of seals or whoever to what rescue them no i don't think so they sent them in there to get their cell phones to get their laptops to get the files to get everything that was there that they could use and that's what that mission was about if it took place i mean we were moved every two weeks to a month and this mission took place months and months and months after you know the french or the spanish whoever it was that brought the information back that they were there fell into their hands certainly a rescue mission is high risk not just for the special ops guys but also for the hostages why they waited until july to do it i think there's a lot of questions that i have about this why would that be classified as a successful mission yeah well i guess it depends on how broadly you define successful it wasn't successful in the sense of being able to rescue the hostage it was successful in the sense people got in and they got out and no one got captured or killed so what what's your name jim john jim and john jean jim all righty john cantley and james foley were kidnapped in 2012. and until 2014 there were no use at all then all of a sudden they became a propaganda tool for the islamic state but also an instrument of foreign policy they said they would execute jim in retaliation for the u.s bombing which had begun a relatively short time before they demanded 100 million dollars for james foley was the publicity that they won by killing him which polls after the fact showed that this event was the single most well-known event among americans across the board since 9 11. was that publicity worth more to them than 100 million dollars i think whether or not they predicted the reaction would be quite so strong from that point forward i imagine they had very little interest in uh in ransoming anyone whatever they would say negotiating with islamic state was unique was and never happened before was extremely difficult because it was a new territory i mean never before had a dead hostage being worth more than an alive hostage they made a deliberate decision to go there the two of them you know i mean james knew the area really well and he knew that john did as well and i mean that i i think they saw the advantage of going there the two of them you know they thought that would be even stronger team together you know you can't blame john farfarm for james's death i think isis has released a video which is believed to show the execution of american freelance journalist james foley the video also shows another freelance journalist identified as steven sotloff and islamic state members seen in the video said that sotloff will be next [Music] uh stephen store contacted me to do some work inside syria about civilian situation in the morning i go to pick up him from the border to inside to inside aleppo it was some people three cars with us on the road and they left the cars and they close the street and they kidnap us once you're on the syrian side and you get into a car and start driving you're on a single road for about a 30-minute window during which there is no path but the one you're on and everyone knows and if someone calls ahead and says okay look there's a timeline of like okay he's going to be at this checkpoint in this many minutes it's going to be at that one in that many minutes he's going to get in to a van with a fixer everyone knows like here are the six or seven fixers that often take journalists from this checkpoint um so you know spying on the fixers is probably a more efficient way than spying on the journalists from the beginning when i was in the inside the car i talking to them who is you what you want but they hit us they hit me in in the gun and they say to me shut up don't talk also i make that inside the prison but they say to me shut up don't talk on top of it all we were trying to figure out what was going on by contacting lots of people but also trying to keep a lid on it because the family wanted a media blackout while we try to negotiate whatever it is that isis wants or at that point whoever took him once but we all knew it was isis i mean yeah so that was that was really tough in the latter half of 2014 absi was in charge of isis's media wing and that's when they started releasing all the beheading videos so he had um and the state department has said that absi was in charge of kidnappings for the islamic state so um it's unclear surely there were other people involved but he seems to have been in a leadership position at every step from abduction to um moving hostages from the prison in aleppo to raqqa to later the media wing which was releasing the beheading videos i think the islamic state is has taken you know their brutality to whole new levels that has never been seen before on this planet at least in the modern the modern age so the the remnants of the ancient regime or what i like to call the ghosts of saddam are in effect running the show this is why isis is sophisticated at the level of guerrilla warfare why it is sophisticated at the level of conventional warfare but most especially why its propaganda is profoundly clever and wicked you know the information warfare that isis brings to bear is one of their greatest assets in this campaign and if you want to really go back far think of it this way the guys who trained up the saddamas were who the soviets the kgb so they know how to do this stuff [Music] there was never really any willingness to exchange the us and the uk osages as there was no willingness to exchange the japanese ostriches the demands for the japanese osages were far too high which is about 200 million dollars to be delivered in 72 hours that's impossible they knew that this was impossible but the propaganda campaign was fantastic i mean the islamic state got inside japan a condition a decision in japan related to the changing of article 9 of the constitution which is the article that prohibits japan from intervening military unless it's under attack now that was the key issue of the debate this was something that uh prime minister abe had been trying to push for several months so the islamic state knew that the islamic state thought wow this is fantastic we can use it for our propaganda we can influence japan we can scare the world and then during this period the jordanian pilot was also captured over there toby over here right here all right you jerk your coffee enjoy i've been taking my jacket off so it started with me seeing the beheading of the american journalist after i saw that beheading i was just like wow like this is shocking stuff and so i went on twitter and i wanted to see what's being said and who was saying it and and how they were justifying it i started to draw attention to myself unknowingly i had no idea who omar al-shashani was it could have been anybody i had no idea he was the military commander of isis and you know everything that went with him i had no idea and i drew his attention i put up a quote basically it says you shouldn't hold women and children hostage for what their fathers their sons their husbands do does it's not justified in the quran but yet they were doing it i was basically going after him on that point not him specifically just in general and i drew his attention and basically in a nutshell he said well what are you going to do about it and i said what do you want me to do better hey buddy what's that man i got you over today huh yeah selling cars you know but when you are coming to visit us what you gonna tell your uh boss oh i have i i have three weeks vacation time all right but listen we have another plan for you okay you know we have many many fighters who come and join us yes and then go back to their countries like from europe and stuff our own people here who are watching us because this is a nasty game you know no no but it's other countries also but you never know i got you understand as you said this is the beginning of something it is i am i feeling we are building a bridge oh mark ask your question yes what's the end game for you i always kind of look into the future and just see like where i see myself in five to ten years you know where do you see yourself in fighting i don't know now i mean you've kind of changed that for me a little bit i i mean i i never thought i would be where did you see it before i saw maybe uh running my own dealership yes but until you can do this oh yeah i know but i it's you know and that's true i can't um why not no no there's no reason why i am very good at what i do okay my friend our uh tomorrow i go to the sharehouse and yeah give me a comment how it goes yeah of course i i call you maybe this time or maybe a little bit earlier but okay then i contact you if you don't speak we can talk i can call you back later we can speak okay sounds good you there hello hello hello hello homer hello can you hear me omar [ __ ] who were you talking to what did they represent these people here are you talking about people the guys the bad the bad guys oh the bad guys the leadership within isis okay um obviously isis is a hot that sure it is all right so hence my involvement with uh kayla mueller okay i didn't this wasn't some fly by night thing i just dreamt up and said oh i'm gonna wake up one day and be a hostage negotiator try to save kayla mueller's life so far from the truth it's not even funny i was involved with the fbi involved the entire time they knew exactly who i was they knew exactly what i was doing and they knew exactly who i was doing it with so do you know why the fbi was involved omar al-shashani was number two on the fbi's most wanted international terrorists you know that's somebody they wanted um so yeah i mean it was in their interest to get as much information as they could you know but i was tweeting with ali zaki about kayla mueller that's a name that's a twitter name that all i know was he was very familiar with who i was based on based on the al-shashani this information that i provided to al-shashani he was aware of so you believe in your mind that you are in contact with the right people that have american hostages and that you having gone through this very still i don't understand it okay but you explained it well of going through the proper channels and paying due respect that um you've now been deemed credible yes to the point that people can um people would deal with you yes okay absolutely okay at the moment they said they were gonna give me proof of life in 48 hours okay that's the moment i was told to stand down in your mind on my behind with this yeah is screwing things up yeah interfere with your plan yeah but you're pissed aren't you that jttf is telling you stand down your plan b while you and they're not telling you what plan a is but that ultimately you believe whoever is playing a is going to certainly the system is [ __ ] up it's not agreed okay but i also agree and being pissed off at them it also allows me to put them in a bad paint that i can paint them in a bad light and still get myself closer to where i need to get yeah you follow me because your ultimate goal is to get closer and to save more people and potentially if she's she's dead yeah to get austin tice out okay and then the other american hostages that you have because it's not it's not over one it's not over by by a long shot it's not in there i was warned by the people that are holding her do not no fbi funny business none they wanted the deal with me that was it that's why i had such intense emails with jeff rising this was sent february 8th 207 pm all due respect jeff stop being [ __ ] hard-headed i have myself aligned inside this terrorist group and i'm pulling the strings on top of these guys like a bunch of little [ __ ] now tell the [ __ ] cia to call me because they will never have the opportunity again to insert a brilliant mind like myself inside this group stop acting like i am not loyal to my country and stop being [ __ ] stupid here are the new ideas for isis leadership but notice how it coincides with my messages earlier what's the day today um they took an email out of context and put the meaning behind it that they wanted to fit so that they could get me off the street so they could obtain an arrest warrant from a judge and then after it was almost like they've done it before the reading of those emails are which you would characterize as i put it to you are taken grossly out of context grossly if i was to say jeff isaac was intimidated was threatened mm-hmm uh fellaini would not be a good work i didn't never threaten him i just said i hope he gets with what he's got coming to me and i meant that in a way that when i when stuff comes out on twitter if you're going to look back dude you're going to look bad yes okay but i think there was a because i didn't read it it was a dot dot dot afterwards you're reading the dot dot [Music] are left open to interpretation i guess i just don't i don't yeah i guess that's you gotta look at how i write look the way it comes off it's like this dude in camden wyoming delaware is telling the head of the joint terrorism task force and the fbi how to handle a hostage negotiation yeah yeah but it wasn't because of something that i concocted or made up it was from dealing with this [ __ ] and i felt like i had a hell of a lot better insight than they did as to what was gonna happen to her and ultimately i was right she died two days after i said she was gonna die first they said she was killed by jordanian warplane in a building that she was being kept but now there was some indication they're saying actually you know what uh this american girl converted to islam and we we buried her with you know she married an islamic fighter and we buried her with sort of the you know the muslim veil and all these what are they saying they're saying uh this woman who came over saw the true ways of isis so the true path of islam converted became one of us rejected you in your depraved western society and then you killed her anyway so her blood is on your hands also very powerful not everyone has to believe it enough people have to believe it jihadis believe it they watch these videos and they're intoxicated they're enthralled by it the united states has billions of dollars for the cia and the fbi and the jttf and nsa here's a little toby lopez from camden wyoming delaware has an opportunity to get this girl out so what happened i don't know i got put in jail now i know what you're thinking you're thinking he's only doing this because he's a prisoner he's got a gun at his head and he's being forced to do this right well it's true i am a prisoner that i cannot deny but seeing as i've been abandoned by my government and my fate now lies in the hands of the islamic state i have nothing to lose i first saw john appear on the video that was also the first sound of life that i saw of him so it was a relief and terrifying experience at the same time at least he was alive but but i mean what he was saying wasn't wasn't well too helpful in november 2012 i came to syria where i was subsequently captured by the islamic state now nearly two years later many things have changed including the expansion of the islamic state to include large areas of eastern syria and western iraq john kently appeared in a number of isis videos effectively serving as a narrator or almost appearing as a correspondent under duress join me for the next few programs and i think you may be surprised at what you learn personally i think they made jon the spokesperson for these propaganda videos partly to make a mockery of him i don't know it's very hard to say the psychology behind all of this there are people that are accusing john of joining isis i just want to say to them that she realized that there's always a lot of gun pointed at him even if you can't see it you know but i mean as soon as he loses his use for them i mean as soon as there's no purpose for him being alive i mean he's finished so the only thing he can do is just hang on for for a live sake and then do the best that he can to to please them try to bring their message across i mean it's not his message and in order for him to make it out of life he has to bring that message as best as he can look at the care and the quality that goes into these videos way better than al qaeda way better than zarkawi could do in 2005 and six so you know i mean it's just part of the the apparatus cantley actually said in in one of his videos is that you know i know that because my passport is a uk passport um i will not be released my government has abandoned me so you know this is in terms of propaganda very very powerful very very effective which also means that they know exactly what's happened here they know what we think because of course you know there are lots of people they were born and brought up in our countries that we're gonna fight with them you now have 72 hours to pressure your government in making a wise decision by paying the 200 million to save the lives of your citizens otherwise this knife will become your nightmare what we're seeing emerge now a jihadist civil war a jihadist competition for one-upmanship and thunderstealing that is being played out in the streets of europe and the propaganda is feeding that as well it ends with him interviewing a french jihadi who has joined isis who speaks in fluent french and he says basically if you can't come here if you can't make the hijra to join the islamic state stay where you are in the west and do jihad there i mean what more can be said you know this is not this is an international campaign this is not confined just to the levant and mesopotamia watching the videos and and knowing john it's it's very bizarre to kind of connect the person who i know and also the person who's now on you know the youtube video i don't think anybody is doing anything to get him out because if you do not have the possibility to negotiate and there is no negotiation at the moment how can you get him [Applause] gotta rescue out again do something [Applause] useless absolutely useless if they think that keeping him alive to make tapes that bring more recruits um is actually bringing in more recruits then they'll keep him alive and the moment that they decide that he's useless they're going to kill him so yeah i i hope he it comes back one day you know i see the chances of that actually happening and i think they're quite slim and then i think he has written that as well you know like i probably won't make it out of life and it probably has come to terms with that already i was hopeful everybody come out because i was thinking myself i was in dream dream i'm didn't tell this country will be like this so do so you

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Length: 58min 9sec (3489 seconds)

Published: Sun Aug 07 2022