When Cops Serve INSTANT KARMA to Karens..

[Music] I found four cases highlighting extreme Karen Behavior featuring four individuals who later faced the consequences starting with notorious poolside Karen and then she started try colonist Mexican Tracks please make them leave yes they don't belong this is Blair featherman a 49-year-old woman who on July 2nd 2023 was recorded assaulting and hurling racist remarks at a Spanish family at her neighborhood pool in Lakewood Colorado she stated among other things that the family don't belong here we'll let you decide whether she means the alag Green Mountain Apartments or the country as a whole after this footage of Mrs featherman was recorded she still decided it was a good idea to call the police six officers responded to the scene and were greeted by a trove of people all willing to stand up for the victims so both my boys run an apartment here they Reserve they reserve the clubhouse to have a family barbecue and uh family gathering few friends when I arrived with food the blonde girl gave me crap about she came up to the gate and she said do you have a fob I said no but my boys live here she said well I work at the front desk which he doesn't then as more of our family started Gathering she was getting more pissed and more pissed she started uh Ming off to my granddaughter saying what where's Lexi what did she tell Lexi you don't live here what are you doing here you don't live here uh just getting very very nasty my son who lives here tried to go over and you know like calm the situation like Hey we're having a family Barbecue we live here we've got a fob and her brother went down on him attacked him he fell on the Rock I'm sorry can the family then shows the officers this footage whilst they were the first to see it this embarrassing clip would soon end up gracing the eyes of millions yeah it's true you have a thought two people you have a Mexican party in the pool trash oh yeah you want you can't do that you can't just record me I live here I live here nowhere where you ever came from you low CL F oh my God it's so dumb and you're wearing it out the pool you idiot yeah you don't even know what made this I have her s on oh yeah and these hold on wait this is good and these like most Karens Blair attempted to make herself seem more important than Alexis Alba shaming for wearing the designer brand Hermes almost as if she believes people who don't look like her don't belong in such expensive clothes the family then continued providing their accounts to the officers blond girl blonde girl that lady no over there there do you see her with the with the her with her thong on okay that's her and then she started try calling us Mexican tracks just total being extremely derogatory okay so what do you want the police to do here we don't want you guys do anything they call you want to press charges or anything I have a suspicion that there was probably some cat fighting and there was alcohol going on Mutual blah blah blah BL exactly they're the ones called the peace okay we're try to going we just got upset we thought they racial profiling she said pissed us off you not Mex SP four separate ways there is no and it pisses me off because we're Brown and attractive people you know there's was a little bit of jealousy going for if we didn't already so if we could just like we just wanted to diffuse it they we just wanted to while the family of victims are completely calm cordial and polite with the police the same can't be said for Mrs featherman who's about to show these officers just how entitled she really is what's going on well um so basically this pool lately has had a lot of pool hpps okay okay so and I like to enjoy my pool I have two girls that even come to the pool anymore because of all the pool hob okay they don't even enjoy it because we know who is here and who's not so apparently I think they had a birthday party or something but I asked so here's all I did here's all I did I was right here um and see the Louis Vuitton guy he's the one who started it off that [ __ ] I said to him I said I said um do you have a f cuz that's what everyone's saying it's not just me other people are living there asking you is she with a big group over there right but I said you're only allowed to have two people meanwhile the whole pool is filled with a [ __ ] party these people don't they don't have a fob you're only allowed to have two guests not 20 so we're over here mind you this whole crew over here comes over bomb rushes me I had two girls [ __ ] trying to kill me so I tried to defend myself but my phone is gone and I recorded everything and they probably have my phone who has your phone we don't know someone took my phone cuz I recorded the whole thing what kind of phone was it uh it was a iPhone the smaller one not the big one seven or um 10 shoot I don't know I don't even know I don't know but I'm just saying I put it on record and I was recording the whole thing and they took my phone featherman paints herself as the victim of an assault by two women as well as the theft of her cell phone however as more and more office respond to the scene and begin interviewing more witnesses a very different story to her own keeps being corroborated over and over I think it started I hate to say this I think she's racist she saying I don't belong here I don't live here but I just want to let it be known like I want to press because she did put her hands on and she just keeps going on saying that we're dirty Mexicans that we don't belong here we need to go back to where we came from We're trash she started all of that and so she started making racist remarks to this entire group what we hear I'm not even a part of them like she started making racist remarks so one of two of them went over there and they're like like what's the deal she swung on the girl who had like the pink bikini over there she swung on her so then she started fighting her wanted to of yes but in the entire time I was even telling her like I'm like here something with my kids I was like hey can you guys just chill out she's like great [ __ ] parenting take your kids out the pool I'm like well maybe you guys should stop fighting like they say every story has two sides but it seems more like this one has a dozen sides saying the same thing and and one lying but in any investigation someone has to take down everyone's account here one very patient officer has been doing just that with Blair and her friends I've got a female with pretty good injuries that is blaming you as well it's it's kind of this thing well maybe she attacked me and I defend myself did I'm going to tell you right now so R from an area come to the other area that's an aggressive act is it not I mean depending on the circum but more than one person absolutely when you're dealing with one person and eight people come over that's an aggressive act can I can I explain one thing so and again I don't know the whole story about what you guys were talking about my partner over here I was conversing with some of the folks over there and then this is what they told me and to correct me if any of this is accurate or wrong okay so while Blair and her friends continue rattling off lies about who attacked who which again have already been disproven by video evidence an officer whose totally done entertaining their entitlement returns to give them a reality check okay so here's the bottom line I'm going to speak now and we you guys can follow up with me tomorrow after I review the camera I have an independent witness that is one-on-one basis with the district manager here and said you were saying racist stuff instigating everything blowing it up and then when they confronted you you couldn't handle it we're going to review the cameras tomorrow when they come in I'm going to talk to Wyatt okay and I and I'll see what happen okay we've got them identified I will I will look at the cameras if if it's one side or the other we'll handle it appropriately that's all okay it's not personal we just can't verify anything today and and this guy who called the district manager we can't make him leave today that's where we're at not willing to tolerate any more interruptions the brief shift into a tougher one from this officer gives a much needed wakeup call to Blair and her male cronies sadly it doesn't work as they all keep trying to play victim while at a dozen unrelated people all cooporate her culpability maybe they'll finally take accountability when shown some irrefutable proof he he lives here he had the guy's number on the Fly and he was an independent witness okay so part of who you know who I talked to no you don't know who it's none of them it's an independent person that was sitting by them themselves that said you were saying horrible racist things and they got upset about well but but this this guy's not affiliate with them that's why I'm like okay is he's telling me the truth since he's not you or them oh so when I get ambushed by all them coming over here that's what we're going to review the camera for it like four times it's two discriminating things I get it and that's why I want the camera before we do it before we make any action okay they don't Bel they do if they reserve the clubhouse which is what they did unless unless so let me tell you something according to the the guy who was on the phone with that I believe to be the manager if they pay the $200 to rent that out they've got the clubhouse for that day not the pool yeah the pool no but they usually why don't you argue with their civil agreements cuz you've been calling me all kinds of horrible things I these [ __ ] cops I'm listening to you okay I didn't say these [ __ ] cops yeah you did to your buddy on the phone it's on my budy you have your own Securities I can't deal with that okay so here's what we're going to do we're going to review the footage tomorrow and it's like I'm in trouble because I paid you're not in trouble do you see me riding you a ticket we put usually they will tell us well they didn't I'm sorry I don't know what to do about that okay if that's their policy if that's their it seems Blair's entitlement knows no bounds even after learning that the family they accused of not living there had the building manager on speed dial called him and confirmed they had paid to book the pool she refuses to take any accountability somehow doubling down on her delusions I want you to this that's my hair they pull out other than the fact down there all of them okay she's upset what we're trying to say at this point we're going to review camera footage and follow up Billy management and then we're going to go from there and if this guy needs a fat find because he lied about Renning the place out or X Y and Z or if someone assaulted her we'll deal with that and I'm going to tell you if they did rent it out and it's legit then they're legit but it's still you have an assault you have an assault going on right in America I believe you can say whatever you want to a point so there is to a point there is a we have a charge in here disorderly conduct it's saying things that are likely to inside violence in Colorado disorderly conduct can range from class one to three misdemeanors the officer is referring to a class one offense involving public disturbances or offensive utterances however charges here seem unlikely this officer is just showing an impeccable example of trying to deescalate a situation Blair iner group eventually leave the pool believing they're right but they'd soon be in for a major reality check and I'm here tomorrow and I think they I think they show my flip too probably have never had nice flip of course Once video of Blair was posted on social media she went viral being called the poolside Karen despite the fact that no charges were filed the public backlash was in enough for Blair to think it was a good idea to go on a media tour in a paper thin attempt at making herself look like the victim swarmed over like a swarm of bees it was very fast I was literally curled up in the ball just like this trying to do as much as I could to get them from getting in close to me cuz I had four women on top of me thankfully most people can see right through her act now while Blair feather's only real punishment was being branded as a Karen for the rest of her life some Karens entitled knows no bounds like this mind-blowing case of a woman who put throwing a temper tantrum above the safety of her newborn baby in February 2023 officers responded to a 911 call that was too outrageous for anyone to believe going to school all these pedestrians out here she's calling ass around here all actually ask her not supposed to ride ride I do it all the time start taking a picture when she grab a hand and pull a toward her and start fighting grab him by her wrist and start fighting to get fall off she ever throw any punches or anything one but landed right here on hit her on officer Gabriel fiser responded to the scene at the grand central bus station in St Petersburg Florida it turned out that as unbelievable as it sounded the 911 call had been correct as Witnesses cooperated to officer fiser a woman with an infant strapped to her chest had been rapidly riding a scooter and assaulted an elderly female security guard hey man what's going on nothing I missed my bus okay so why are we out here why because I missed my bus why am I what kind of qu you tell me you're approaching me sir okay well here's the long and short of it okay lose the attitude with me I didn't cause any problem under arrest what at first looks like an unassuming young mother in child is in fact the suspect Destiny fro just as the witnesses described her infant child is in fact strapped to her chest how someone could ever do What She's accused of with their child in such a vulnerable position is Unthinkable but it's about to become extremely clear that fro is quite capable of that and much worse no I'm asking am I under arrest I can make that decision right now do you want to go to jail am I currently under arrest you're being trespassed at the very least okay for what she wants you off the property you better lose the attitude what is with you I will leave I will leave give me your information real quick no thank you give me your information real quick sir ma'am listen sir we are not playing this game not playing this G we not playing this game give me your information right now because you're being detained on on of assault you on battery you you you put your hands on the security are you serious give me your name and information right now if you want it you can get it from the no I'm not getting it from anybody else you give me your information right now please excuse do not do this please excuse me you have a child on your chest exactly look how close you are do not cause issues while you have a child what is WR yes it's on perfect thank you give me your information right now no thank you I am leaving I am leaving am I under arrest you're being detained no detained for what I told you already for battery in the State of Florida battery is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year sentence or a $11,000 fine however as the victim is a licensed security guard the charge would actually be a felony with much harsher sentencing guidelines Destiny is showing a clear misunderstanding of the term detained here while she isn't yet under arrest as the officers are investigating a crime she is not free to go and must follow their lawful order to identify herself I'll call my attorney on that one too you can't excuse you maam give me your ID right now I'm not playing this game with you then give me something with your name on it and give me your information my arm stop trying to pull away from me stop trying to pull away from me stop it what is your deal just give me your information you're going you're going to go to jail [ __ ] away you're going to go to jail and your child St you're being put your hand down don't raise your hand at me ma'am no listen you're going to go to protect you're going to do to deal and your child's going to don't say that child you need to listen guys you guys back the [ __ ] up no we don't all her manic screaming flailing and attempts to pull away from the officers could also land her a resisting arrest with violence charge at best or a battery on an officer charge at worst punishable by up to 5 years in prison on top of all this she's putting herself at risk of losing custody of her child and showing herself as an unfit mother but despite all the trouble she's just brewed up for herself she somehow thinks it's a good idea to act like this child don't say that my child you need to listen you guys back the [ __ ] up no we don't Ma I need my back you have anything what do you have I already asked you for your life very very disrespectfully thank you just reach over and grab do you live here in St Peter no I do I live at the Alpha House of the Alpha House house of pelis you know the address there what's little one's name it does matter today it does it does it does ma'am listen ma'am listen there's alligation put your hands on so because the child's present when that happened I need the little one's information fed up with her attitude and appalled by her total disrespect for her own child officer fiser walks away to speak with the actual victim where's that guy said he saw every there huh that guy that that saw where'd he go he already leave s all right where did she hit you all over she hit you in the face both hands yeah the baby the baby yeah she she did for herself she put that baby home while the footage is obscured the victim here points out her head and upper body as the place's Destiny hitter her name is Aisha Latifa Abdullah a 66-year-old grandmother working as a security guard meanwhile the other officer is still exercising a massive amount of patience in dealing with Miz fro so what's going on again there was allegations that you put your hands on someone so in the State of Florida any unwant touching that's considered battery okay if someone touched you first and then you touch them then like that that's possible Right but any unwanted touching that's battery so this officer has to conduct his investigation so I don't I don't know which I I I'm here right I you saw when I got here I came right to you so I don't know what the other side is saying but he has to conduct his investigation an allegation of a crime has occurred so if he asks for your ID he refus to give it to him that in itself is a crown okay okay so look I don't know what route he's going here what he intends to do but I mean let's just take deep breaths and figure all this out all right and like I again I I don't know how far he's going and what's being you know completely alleged all I know is someone called and they said that you put your hand on something okay that's crime the reason why I ask for his name is when a crime's involved in front of a minor I have to report it to GCI I have to well then I need to call the house that I'm staying at cuz it's a DCF middleman right there okay but again I mean listen I I don't know what the other side is alleging right now other than you you put your hands on okay I didn't put my hands on her until she swung back at me cuz I went to snatch the phone out of her hand Destiny doesn't realize it but even after being told the definitions of every crime she's being investigated for she just admitted to committing battery by stating she was the first person to unlawfully touch the other as well as admitting that at any point she did begin hitting Aisha Abdullah but just watch how embarrassing her attempt to wise up and follow the kind of bad legal advice you'd find on Facebook is when officer fiser returns Rose yeah all right M Rose do you want to answer any questions and talk to me about what happened today or no I mean am I being placed under arrest I'm going to read you your rights before I talk to you do you want to talk to me or am I going to waste my time read your rights hey I'm being placed under arrest I said you're going to read your rights am I being placed under arrest do you want to talk me or not I'm asking a question so I can make arrangement am I being placed under arrest more than likely you're going to J me you want to talk or no you want to answer any questions about what happened um or talk tell your side the story like what do you want to yes or no it's a simple question ma'am he's asking you if you want to answer questions and I need to make sure my son does not go into any of y'all's hands ma'am let's worry about this side of it first and then obviously I'm not going to rip a child off of a mother out of a mom's arms that's not how this works Destiny continues ignoring the officer calling a family member to come pick up her child whose safety she's suddenly very concerned with now where was that concern when she was assaulting a grandmother is that a dad or a friend that's his aunt his aunt yeah [Music] okay so I guess I'm not going I'm missing my work moving too just listen in order for him to ask you specific questions about what happened today he would have to read you your rights okay part of reading you your rights if you don't want to answer questions then he's not going to read them so if you're willing to answer questions and and tell your side of the story he's going to read it to you and then ask questions but if you don't want to talk he's not going to take the time and read it to you that's what his question is no not talk it can only help you no all right while Destiny is undoubtedly a Karen and in the wrong here it's incredibly important to remember that police are allowed to lie to you in pursuit of a confession that's exactly what officer fiser did talking to the police can lead someone to confessing without even realizing it if a person believes they've done no wrong it's best to State you're involving your fifth amendment rights comply with lawful orders but remain completely silent until you have an attorney presid after a 30-minute wait the child's Aunt Leah arrives to pick him up we'll let him he'll he'll let him know all okay okay can I tell you something real quick I'm going to be easy handling you or nothing okay just relax though okay Destiny was charged with felony battery on a licensed security officer off at the time of this recording the case remains ongoing but considering her outright confession on camera it's safe to say she'll likely face conviction but Karens don't just disregard the safety of infants as contemptible as it sounds some Karens even despise dogs and disabled people on February 16th 2023 an officer from the Indian River County Sheriff's Department in Fort Pierce Florida responded to a call at a local public supermarket claiming that someone had assaulted a disabled man with a service dog service dog another customer it's not a service dog so she kicked him in the ass she she kick the service dog or the the the gentleman yeah that's what he said I don't know oh you didn't see it how you doing babysitter babysit it's uh gentlem right there with you got to run quick well I don't think she's going to out run me that's for sure that's where she at that lady over there I got you she's trying to move quickly she knows she the victim's name is Martin dreck a disabled 71-year-old man he e l directs the officer to the woman who he claims assaulted him hoping she wouldn't have time to flee now no matter what you imagine this assaulter might look like I guarantee you'd never expect what the officer encountered next oh here he is hi hello how you doing so the [ __ ] really did call you huh yes good what's going on last [ __ ] dog jump up afterwards I kicked them in the ass you K okay you K so what uh what would you like to discuss what's the story what's the story I asked the man why I had the dog in here it's a service dog where's this jacket where's this proof I don't have to show you but La says I don't have to I said well we'll go up to the D I don't have to show them either I said cuz he's not a [ __ ] service dog and then the dog jumped on me so I turned around and I kicked him in the ass the assaulter shown to be 80-year-old retiree Virginia Wargo pittner While most people are reluctant to admit their crimes to the police before the officer could even get a word in Virginia already confessed to assaulting Martin the manner in which she describes the event shows a level of entitlement you'd think nobody could maintain after 80 years on Earth it's clear that this car and has never experienced consequences before but that egocentric worldview of hers is about to be brought tumbling down you have your ID on you he then presented this thing I don't do this I don't s this to people but here's his thing I said shove it up your ass okay well he doesn't have to number one you don't work here uh it's not your right to be asking around uh it's not my right no it's not oh well here need I don't need your debit card I need your ID why not you're going to give me a ticket as a matter of fact you are going to jail oh that's even better yep so turn around put your hands behind your back give me a [ __ ] breath turn around put your hands behind your back I wait can I put my wallet away turn around put your hands behind your [Music] back guys have nothing better to do [Music] unbelievable yeah you how old are you I'm 80 you're 80 acting like a 14-year-old well any weapons on you yeah my mouth I can see you you're just leaving that in the middle of the street this is the biggest joke I've ever seen for one what you want me to put this in your car what do you want me to do with this if I tell you you'll give me another tiet no I want to take it with me why would I not want my license my credit cards and all my money put back in my w pocketbook and take it with me okay B I got to search it before I take it okay I'll go right ahead my pen I do something for you watch out yeah walk over to my car no it's not your car it's my car I pay taxes I pay taxes as well probably pay more taxes than you I doubt it the officer deserves to be commended for how well he's handling the situation this 80-year-old wasn't kidding when she said the only weapon on her is her mouth as she's taken every opportunity to be as rude as possible to this officer it really seems like she's delusional and doesn't understand the severity of her situation but it'll quickly become clear why do I not have a right to question the person when the law says you can't have animals in supermarkets and stores tell me service animals are subs and you're not allowed I asked him if it was you're not allow why cuz you're not allowed to it's protected people with disabilities you didn't know that in in his head that's where his disability is he still doesn't have the right to make your kick someone didn't have the right to jump on me did he service animals don't jump on you instigated the whole thing don't jump on me before I can come in according to Florida statute 413.20 or any person who interferes with a disabled person with a service animals admittance or enjoyment of public places is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by 30 hours of community service with an organization that helps disabled people Virginia's incessant public Outburst would likely constitute a violation of this law where your adult I expected you to show up with the adult but I'm disappointed you know this hurts it's not supposed to be comfortable well it's not supposed to hurt either that I got marks Virginia's mouth ended up only being a weapon used against herself in the end Virginia and Wargo pittner was arrested for the first time at 80 years old charged with felony battery on a person over 65 as well as misdemeanor disorderly conduct she was released on a $33,000 bail shortly after arriving at the Indian River County Jail with the case still pending at the time of this recording but Virginia's legendary sass seems laughable in the face of one of the most vitriolic disrespectful Karens I've ever encountered on the 1st of July 2022 at the JetBlue terminal in Fort Lauderdale International Airport a worker reported a relatively regular occurrence to an on-site police officer someone had left their luggage unattended but nobody had any idea just how far out of hand this seemingly simple situation would end up start maybe like 10 minutes and then that's when she called okay 10 minutes ago and then no one's no one so it might have been there for a longer yeah we all know how extremely tight airport security can be with constant announcements reminding travelers to never leave luggage on a attended as recently as March 2023 this very airport had to be evacuated when an unattended suitcase was found thankfully after having a bomb sniffing dog check this bag out the officer found it' be safe to search in hopes of finding information on its owner there's this looks like uh documents yeah like Fu education oh yeah that's that's part of what's causing the uh a little [Music] bit Lisa Michelle Landy after searching its contents the officer discovered that the bag belonged to a woman named Lisa Michelle Landy with that name JetBlue employees were able to find her information in the system and discover she was traveling but it quickly came to light that her abandoning of her bag wasn't accidental but rather extremely devious may I uh take a picture and put this on it as well and it to the gate agent it's broken so let me show you the weight wow 8 something 83 she's just leaving all her stuff I guess it's like cargo she didn't want to pay the $150 plus the bag fee so she said I'll leave it there and they they'll have to send it to me did the um what time the flight leave uh they supposed to be boarding it's it is delayed so he's going to pull her from us and the deputy over there also looking for her this is goodz people try to get over it's ridiculous so you you'd have to send it to them if we locate the name and everything so they that's how they kind of jump over the 150 yep terrible Lisa had left her 83 lb bag to avoid paying a $150 fee which is the $150 the employee and officer keep referring to by leaving it unattended in the airport a passenger can avoid the fee while the airline is forced to send it to the passenger address at the airline's expense thankfully the officer eventually receives an update that'll completely ruin this Karen's master plan oh jeez and now you know you got to be even more concerned with you're driving because you don't know the person that's on the road oh yeah [ __ ] [ __ ] yo lady we don't speak that here what are you saying are you [ __ ] kidding me in the airport in public you said the N word are you serious uhuh you're yelling that [ __ ] here uhuh no go no you're yeah you're going to go no you're going to take your big ass [ __ ] get that [ __ ] 83 lb suitcase excuse you that's your [ __ ] but in that last moment when Lisa shoved the officer she went from free to go to committing battery on an officer in 0 seconds flat as we learned earlier from Destiny fro that's a felony carrying up to a 5-year sentence and from here things only get worse go get it get downstairs lady get downstairs can't carry it no get your [ __ ] go downstairs F let's go excuse me what are you going to do what are you going to do your you're going to get arrested that's what excuse you st I want to see my mother no you're arrested now it's told no I'm not no no no no no no you're foot get no put your hands behind your back put your hands behind your back put your hands behind your back not up to me you're the uhuh excuse you uhuh put your hands behind your back stop uh-uh please stop I need to my mother you're too young so you don't understand you're acting like a freaking lunatic L 80 is dying of cancer nobody cares right now because you're acting like a lunatic at an airport you're you're I didn't do anything you're shouting racist rogatory terms in the middle of an airport anything wrong you done my mom is dying of cancer No 3 Alpha 32 have a another un over here I need uh I'm going to need transport for 105 Lisa can add resisting arrest with violence to the offense she's committed during her completely unnecessary tantrum another felony that can carry up to a 5-year sentence but as soon as she's subdued she switches from vicious and violent to trying to play the sympathy card in a weak attempt to escape consequences all I want to do is be my mother uh-uh you're not you're not you're not when you're blasted drunk lady but this officer told me that tomorrow I can well well not before you start you're the you know what you just said you're Fu you're a [ __ ] spit get your oh I'm a SPI oh I'm a SPI okay my I'm a [ __ ] you got the wrong culture lady remember when I said hate crimes would come back well Lisa just narrowly avoided committing one through her own stupidity and ignorance had the officer actually been Hispanic she would have racked up another charge I'm a [ __ ] SP okay get my hands out of here and hate D I can't even put her in my car because guess what you have a Canon you have a yeah there's such a thing as gun in South what are you trying to [Music] say you have ID on you no well I'm going to find your tell them tell them we at door 3 2 just tell we're at door 23 this off all that over a $150 baggage fee in the end Lisa Michelle Landry got lucky the officers only charged her with one of the many felonies they could have assault on an officer Lisa was also charged with misdemeanor disorderly intoxication which is punishable by up to a year in jail with video evidence against her this Karen didn't stand a chance at trial instead striking a plea bargain that landed her on community service and probation also it should go without saying that she won herself a luxury 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Length: 41min 22sec (2482 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 27 2023