HE WAS THE CASE HANDLER WHEN PRESIDENT REAGAN WAS SHOT IN 1981. RETIRED SECRET SERVICE AGENT JEFF JAMES, HE JOINS US NOW. JEFF, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. REALLY GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT. I MEAN, WAS STANDARD PROTOCOL MISSED HERE? WAS IT FOLLOWED HEAR? WHAT WAS YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THE SORT OF BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER? >> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE COMMENTARY REGARDING THE SNIPER TEAMS IS I THINK IT'S AN EASIER TASK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE THAT WE'RE ALL SEEING THAT JUST ENCOMPASSES THAT SMALL PART OF THE FAIR GROUNDS. THE SECRET SERVICE SNIPER TEAMS TRAIN OUT TO 1,000 YARDS. THAT'S THE TARGETS THEY LOOK FOR. SO I THINK IF YOU WOULD EXPAND THAT PICTURE OUT TO COVER 1,000-YARD PIE AND THEN REALIZE THAT ONE SNIPER TEAM HAS 180 DEGREES OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT PIE, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE TARGETS THAT THEY'RE EYEING THAN JUST THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THAT SHORT DISTANCE. THERE'S TREE LINE. THERE'S ELEVATED NATURAL FEATURES. THERE'S HOMES. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT A LOT MORE THAN JUST THOSE BUILDINGS SITTING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM AROUND AGAIN IT'S NOT JUST NEAR, IT'S FAR AWAY ALSO SO THAT IS A TOUGH MISSION. >> SO I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR, JEFF. I APPRECIATE THAT BIT OF CONTEXT. IF WE ZOOM THAT A PICTURE OUT MAYBE THERE IS MANY MORE POTENTIAL ROOF TOP ENVIRONMENTS THAT THEY'RE MONITORING AS WELL. THAT BEING SAID, STILL, DOES IT NOT SURPRISE YOU THAT IS CERTAINLY THE MOST -- THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY ROOF TOP TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LOCATION. DOES IT NOT SURPRISE YOU THAT SOMEONE WAS ALLOWED ON THAT ROOF TOP DURING HIS RALLY? >> IT DOES. BUT I ALSO -- THE OTHER THING I DON'T KNOW IS WHERE THE SECURE PERIMETER ENDED. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE OUTDOOR EVENTS -- THE REASONS THE CANDIDATES LOVE THE OUTDOOR EVENTS, IF THERE WERE IN PITTSBURGH THEY CAN GET 18,000 PEOPLE. THESE OUTDOOR EVENTS, THEY CAN GET 30,000 PEOPLE. THERE'S SO MANY MORE FACES. BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY THERE'S A STOPPING POINT AND WHEN YOU GET BEYOND THAT, IT'S TOUGH TO SECURE THIS UNENDING AMOUNT OF LAND REGARDSLESS OF HOW BIG THE OUTDOOR EVENT IS. I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE AS TIME GOES WHERE THE SECURE PERIMETER ENDED. I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS OUTSIDE OF IT. AND MAYBE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN ASSETS USED LIKE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, ALL YOU DO IS WORRY ABOUT THIS AND LET US KNOW -- DON'T LET ANYBODY UP THERE AND LET US KNOW IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK SHOULDN'T BE THERE. >> GIVEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING, THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATE MAYBE IN THE WORLD TO HAVE AN ASSASSINATION ATHE TEMPT TRIED ON HIM AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE IMAGES AND THE NUMBER OF SECRET SERVICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU COULD GATHER, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH AGENTS ON THE SCENE FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS SUCH A HIGH VALUE TARGET AS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP? >> WELL, IT'S FUNNY, THROUGHOUT MY I CAREER, I NEVER THOUGHT WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND ANY ATTENDEE. YOU ALWAYS WANT MORE MAN YOU POWER. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REACTION AND, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PERSON WHO WORKED IN THE OUTER PERIMETER, THE MIDDLE PERIMETER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REACTION RIGHT AROUND HIM, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME IN AND ENVELOPED HIM AND CREATED THAT WALL OF BODY ARMOR AND FLESH AROUND HIM AND THEN EVEN MORE WHEN HE GOT DOWN THE STAIRS AND THEY WERE PUSHING HIM TOWARD THE TRUCK, I THINK THAT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE OF MANPOWER. THE ONE CRITICISM -- >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THEM SURROUNDING HIM AND THE AMOUNT OF FLESH, HIS HEAD WAS VISIBLE AND HE WAS ABLE TO FIST PUMP WHICH THE CROWD LOVED BUT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER SHOOTER SOMEWHERE, THAT LOOKED LIKE A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. I'VE ALWAYS SEEN -- MAYBE I'M JUST WATCHING MOVIES. I REMEMBER THE RONALD REAGAN CASE WHERE IT WAS LIKE FULL COVERAGE. >> WHISKED OFF. >> WHISKED OFF. YOU NEVER SAW HIM. SO HOW STANDARD WAS WHAT WE SAW THERE? >> THAT'S THE ONE THING I'VE SAID THROUGHOUT THIS, SINCE IT OCCURRED. THE ONE THING I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY IS ONCE THEY GET TO HIM, THEY SHOULD HAVE GRABBED HIM AND GONE, LOOK, HE WANTS TO WAIT FOR HIS SHOES, THAT'S GREAT. BUT NO, WE'RE GOING. SO IF I HAD ONE CRITICISM, THAT WOULD BE IT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN HIM OFF THE STAGE AND INTO ARMORED VEHICLES MORE QUICKLY. ONCE YOU GET IN THE ARMORED VEHICLES AND YOU'RE LOCKED DOWN YOU'RE PRETTY SAFE AND YOU CAN GET MOVING AT A PRETTY HIGH RATE OF SPEED, QUICKLY IF YOU HAD TO. THAT IS THE ONE CHRIS CIVIL I HAD. >> IF YOU'RE TRAINING THIS, HOW QUICK SHOULD IT HAPPEN? THIS TOOK OVER A MINUTE. WHAT'S THE STANDARD? SHOULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN 20 SECONDS? SHOULD SH HAVE BEEN MOVING THE MINUTE THEY YOU TOUCHED HIM. >> IF IT'S ME, ONCE I REALIZE HE CAN GET TO HIS FEET, THE FEET ARE MOVING. IT WOULD BE HARD TO PUT A STOPWATCH ON IT BUT IF IT'S ME, YEAH, WE'RE GETTING TO OUR FEET AND WE'RE GOING. WE KNOW WHERE THE CARS ARE, THEY'RE CLOSE BY. LET'S GO. >> I WANT TO STICK WITH THAT TWO MINUTES FOR A MOMENT OR WHAT HAPPENED ON THE STAGE. IF THAT IS YOUR ONE CONCERN IF YOU REMOVED THE MATERIAL, YOU SAID THAT TOOK TOO LONG, IN YOUR ESTIMATION, WHAT WENT WRONG? AS RACHEL SAID WE ALL SEE THIS MOMENT, IT'S ICONIC OF PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYING WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. RAISING HAD HIS FIST TO THE CROWD. WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS A COMMANDING PRESENCE. HE'S GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF MANY SITUATIONS BUT YOU HAVE TO WONDER IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE, WHERE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF HIS LIFE SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMANDING THE SITUATION? WHY DID IT GO IN A WAY THAT RIGHT NOW YOUR GUT INSTINCT IS, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE GONE IN THIS MOMENT? >> WELL PROBABLY SIMPLY IS BECAUSE THAT MOMENT OF CONFUSION AND THINGS AREN'T CLEAR -- FROM WHAT I HEARD, AND I CAN'T CONFIRM THIS, BY THAT POINT THEY HAD ALREADY HEARD A COMMUNICATION SAYING THE SHOOTER'S DOWN. >> YES. >> BUT RACHEL MENTIONED RECALL YESTERDAY, WHAT IF THAT WAS JUST A DISTRACTION AND THE REAL ATTACK WAS COMING AND THERE'S FOUR MORE GUYS WITH GUNS. >> EXACTLY. >> SO YEAH, AGAIN, JUST COMES BACK VERY SIMPLY TO ME, WE'RE MOVING AND YOU DON'T -- SIR, YOU DON'T GET A SAY. WE'LL GET YOUR SHOES LATER. WE'RE GOING. >> YEAH. HOW WILL THIS CHANGE SECURITY GOING FORWARD? I MEAN, THE RNC STARTS TOMORROW, HUGE GATHERING OF PEOPLE. DOES THIS -- WOULD THIS CHANGE PROTOCOL, IN YOUR MIND? >> WELL, THE RNC PLANS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR THAT, THEY STARTED WORKING ON THAT, SECRET SERVICE STARTED WORKING ON THAT OVER A CAREER AGO. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH LOCKED DOWN. ALL THE BARRIERS ARE ALREADY UP. WHEN THEY SAY THE OUTER PERIMETER, HERE'S HOW BIG IT IS. WHEN THEY SAY AN OUTER PERIMETER, THEY'RE TALKING SIX OR SEVEN BLOCKS AWAY. THERE MAY BE CHANGES MADE IN THE OUTER PERIMETER TO MAYBE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS MORE BARRIERS SO CARS CAN'T -- UNWANTED CARS COULDN'T ACCESS BUT YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WALKING ALONG BESIDE THE BUILDING, RIGHT BESIDE THE BUILDING WITH A HANDGUN OR ESPECIALLY A RIFLE. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW SECURE IT IS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH IS GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE THERE BECAUSE IT IS -- THE PERIMETER FOR THAT IS JUST TREMENDOUS. >> JEFF JAMES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR
