What Happens When We Die?

yeah so tonight i want to talk about or try and talk about um what happens when we die um it's quite perfectly straightforward but yeah so i'll talk about that so i thought i'd start again with a little story from my own experience um which illustrates i think something that first of all i really want to keep on sort of coming back to um so i thought i'd start with talking about my father's death my dad father died about 26 years ago now um and as so often happens when you practice buddhism when you get involved in the dharma life as it's called um one of the first things that a lot of people experience is you get closer to your parents you feel closer to your parents i used to have quite a distant relationship with my father when i was younger and coming along here i was i was 25 when i first started coming along here almost from day one i started to sort of actually try and be in better connection with my father um stop trying to make him the father i wanted or thought i wanted and actually start to relate to him uh so by the time he died i felt very um close to him and very actually very i feel more and more like my father in many ways and i was on a weekend retreat i was uh co-leading a weekend retreat and um in our old retreat center in suffolk before we've got the the new one is that um uh i'm the only is going to be leading the retreat out we used to have a retreat center just down the road and uh i got a phone call halfway through there's just this weekend retreat saying look you better come back straight away and trying to get back to this small town of helena where i came from from uh suffolk proved to be enormously complicated and i remember ringing my brother who was at home and one of my brothers um from some far-flung places i try to get back from peterborough i think some of that and uh you know with the the grimness of peterborough station that in october or whatever and um my brother said he's just died i remember my in bursting into tears which is very very unusual for my brother um he said justice minute died and then i was standing on this station um it's very very particular feeling of whether you've ever had that experience but you feel like something massive happening to you but you don't know what it is i'm afraid my response was to buy a pack of cigarettes which is weird because i don't smoke but it certainly makes you a bit crazy um and uh yeah i went back got finally got the train finally got picked up by one of my brothers and taken back to um my you know to where my father was my father was dead in his bed in the lounge and uh well the experience i want to sort of focus on was you know with my my found the whole i got a very large family there my whole family was around um it was very sweet because my little one of my little nephews tom was only five something and um you know he was he didn't really realize that my father was dead and you know at one point the undertakers came to take his body away and you know we sort of ushered him out once that happened and he came back in and said where's granddad coming he's like that's weird he was here again um that's all which it set my mother off or something um anyway i had a period of time where i um just sat with my father um you know after he was dead and um looking back on it from this distance that period of time was like a blessed time yeah um and it was blessed because um it was a really strong experience of a direct experience so i didn't know what happened yeah um we often say well nobody knows what happens when you die and that's true nobody does no i don't know and you don't know and scientists don't know and biologists don't know and um buddhists don't know and um christians don't know you name it nobody knows again but usually underneath the idea that you don't know basically you think you do um which is that you die um which the you know consciousness is obliterated on the brick wall of death and you die and there's nothing after death yeah um that is a view it's a belief it's a belief that is disguised as a fact we're so used to that belief that we think it's true ineluctably true in the same way as victorian christians thought that god was ineluctably true um 200 years ago if you said you didn't believe in god people think you're actually mad but it was just so so evidently true that not believing him um you know seemed a kind of madness um and there's something can happen similarly today if you start to question our basic assumption about death which is basically based on a lack of evidence um or a selective reading of evidence um people start thinking well you're just a bit woo-woo and you know people can get more than a bit woo-woo and sometimes even buddhists are rather prone to that um but in that experience i had this very strong sense of of really not knowing what happened all i definitely knew is i wouldn't be able to talk to her anymore um i wouldn't be able to you know go back to my family how to say hi dad how you doing you know um go to his shed i mean for ages it just felt like he was spending longer than usual in the shed it took me a while to realize that he wasn't coming out of it um but yes it was like a very pure experience of just being with my father is it weird you can't even describe it kind of you can't say just being with you know people even struggle about what they say about somebody after they're dead do they say the body or his body my father or his for you know you can't quite decide what to decide where to place the body you can't we don't know quite even how to address it i always think of anyway my father sitting there all i really knew for certain is i couldn't talk to him again um but i didn't know anything else including i didn't know whether he had died in the usual way i assumed it and it wasn't because of what didn't seem particularly because of my buddhist practice i hope it was um but it wasn't a theory i had i didn't bring to bear on that experience um [Music] it was just a direct experience that i actually didn't know what happened and the experience of that experience was one of great purity um i didn't sort of know anything for a while and it when you touch that even the hem of that and i'm sure i could have gone much deeper it feels a kind of blessed state it feels a kind of holy state even um not in the usual sense of the word but in the sense that it's like illumined but you don't know what by you know there was nothing i could say about it um i think in and from a buddhist point of view you to use to sort of then put a buddhist lens over that is that would be i think that's the nearest experience i've ever got to know of you and the and and that comes from a buddhist teaching that you've got what he what the buddha called wrong view um the word is usually andrishti which means literally sight or view you know you can see things wrongly you can see things rightly and you can have no view yeah you can there's an other way above and beyond even a right view well which is no view yeah and the buddha was said to have no view yeah about anything about you about the world in in and what that seems to mean is he didn't have any pre-cooked theory or um a pattern to bring to things he just brought he just brought his whole experience to experience without having any pre-conscious assumptions about you about himself about the world he was just completely open to what there was with no view um so yes buddhism teaches what's called wrong view right view and no view which is striking because it most religious teachings say here's the right view they don't have a no view but buddhism is very clear it has a path from wrong view to right view to no view yeah so a buddhist wrong view would be that when you die that's at the end the buddha was very clear that that's a wrong view by wrong view he means view view is a bit confusing in a way because it sounds like a wrong opinion or a wrong idea or a wrong theory it's more like your pre-conscious assumption is wrong and that pre-conscious assumption to use that language like ornate language is shaping your experience if you think that when you die that's at the end and there's nothing and there's no way of communicating with the dead and the dead or you know the but the dead body is just like i don't know broken clock that you can just throw away if you think like that yes that is how the world will appear to you your views your views edit your experience it's not that you've got experience with views in them you've got views with experience in them yeah so if you think that life is bounded by death and a death you're obliterated and there's nothing of you that continues any shape or form what that does is it presents the world to you in that way and it will it'll create behavior that suits that way of thinking you know um it literally edits your experience it gives you your experience um for instance for so for some people it gives a sort of weird smug uh belief that we know better than people who previous times you know we've kind of got it sorted people in the old days people thought you could talk to the dead they thought you could pray to god they thought we're like much more sust um that's that's a smug modern view um which is actually a result of a wrong view yeah and wrong so what wrong views aren't just to do with wrong thinking they create a kind of distorted behavior yeah that actually closes life down to you rather than opens it up yeah so the buddha was really clear that when you die the idea that that is the end that nothing continues um is wrong yeah and wrong means unhelpful uh inaccurate not truly a picture of reality but also it unhelpful to the whole of your life's flourishing your life will be diminished by that view will be restricted by that view yeah um remember he's still got this idea that you can then have a right view which i'll come to and then you can have a no view which is beyond anything we can probably imagine but so it's really important to remember that you know that first of all we we don't know what happens when we die but we think we do and we take our common sense idea that the brain creates consciousness so when the brain dies you die we think that is just true if we were to really excavate our view probably that is what we think especially when it comes to when it comes to the crunch like when you start to i don't know if you if you start to get ill or something you're suddenly very very frightened of that terrible dissolution you you effectively think it's true even if you don't know that you think it's true because you can have opinions on one level which are quite different from your actual view yeah um so if so the buddha says that the belief that your body you die and at the end that's the at the end is a wrong view and helpful will limit your life um is inaccurate he also said that the idea that you go on forever in some way you have an immortal soul that goes to heaven which is what i was brought up on or you are reborn literally as the same you know you yourself are reincarnated again and again and again um that there's a part of you now that essentially you that you know isn't dave or julia or margaery but it's somehow essentially you and will carry on and become essentially a you next life he would say that's not true as well he said that there was a another truth and hopefully i'll try and get to her other truths by the end of this little presentation but there's another way of seeing that beyond that binary i particularly talked about this last week of um no continuum nothing continues and you continues there's something beyond that that binary that we we get stuck in and one of the ways into that is to explore near-death experiences which are becoming more common because more and more because of medical advances people are more and more people coming back from what would have been a death um uh just next month actually jan of archer for nature of mind is going to be uh interviewing uh even alexander who has had the most the most profound near-death experience i've ever heard of in fact there's somebody who's done a long study in america of near-death experiences and he said it's the most profound near-death experience he's ever heard of interestingly uh evening alexander is a neuroscientist who had this most incredible near-death experience coming out of a coma that he was in for seven seven days they you know when he first got into the coma they said he had a 10 percent chance of recovery as the days went on it went down to a 2 chance of recovery with the assumption he'd never be able to walk or talk or feed himself over again uh he's now killing rejecting around the world giving talks about his experience of a near-death experience he shouldn't really be alive it's it's medically not possible for him to be alive or at least not alive in the way he's um anyway so one of the things we've been doing in this um uh nature of mind project and do you know do join that project because you can then watch all these other previous films that we've done we've done a whole series of conversations with people about the nature of mind and we're going to be culminating this series of conversations with a retreat at the end of august uh called buddhism in the big questions where we're going to be exploring these big questions more like i'm just in the interim between last week's talk from this week's talk i've been talking to young archer he's a wiser man than me and has just come back from a two and a half months retreat we were talking about rebirth just yesterday and uh things that i i said i just still can't get my head around it he was saying well i think it's quite straightforward and we have this fantastic talk and i'll try and replicate some of it now but he's going to talk more about that on the retreat um anyway i um i went off to interview penny satori um penny's story is the first person in the uk to do a long study i think she did a five-year study of of people who have near-death experiences um quite a remarkable story because she did it she did she wasn't funded to do it she she's she's a nurse in itu um she had these these experiences of people uh she started to have the child talk about this experience she had and that made her want to study people in near-death experiences and she did this five-year study it was very striking nick and i nick and i were working on the nature of mind we drove off from adishthana the retreat center that we're going to be having this retreat um drove off into cardiff where she lives to interview her it's very i don't know so for me this has become emblematic of this whole exploration of the nature of mind you know there we were with our our camera kit and our you know microphones and everything and arrived at this very very ordinary house in um in cardiff uh to talk to penny satori who's you know a a working class welsh woman um very ordinary woman i don't mean that in a pejorative sense i mean in the sense that she didn't seem tall fantastical or flaky or woo-woo or anything uh she's just a everyday woman who was struck by something in fact when we went in she was playing with her seven-year-old son and we had to sort of demolish their lounge and pull the cameras up and i said to her son should we interview you um he didn't seem massively keen um but yeah it was a very interesting i mean do look at the comments we do watch the conversation but um there i was in this very ordinary house in cardiff with this very ordinary woman i mean and i'm a very ordinary man talking about effectively what happens when you die or at least people who have as get as close to death as you can possibly get and come back you know people you know even alexander is pretty near brain dead when he in in his coma um she did this five year study and one of the first things that struck me about it is that um we we we had come in something in common so i used to be a nurse many many years ago and she was a nurse and she had this experience she said it all started for her where she was a trainee nurse she went she she did the reporting in when you've had a night shift they they were reporting into the day shift i remember it very well you know the night shift say what happened to the night and then the day shift so what do we need to pick up on and then you go into the day yeah and i remember that scenario very well sitting in having that hand over from the night shift and the one of the nurses said um oh this guy he's gonna he'll be dead today because he spent all night talking to his dead mother he keeps on talking to her so he'll be dead by lunchtime i thought and um she was really struck by it and thought is she kidding or something um because and everyone was just like oh yeah yeah yeah like it was completely straightforward and it really run up i remember i can't actually remember instances but i remember that sort of thing happening where a nurse would say oh yes um they'll be they'll be dead they'll probably die by lunchtime you know they've been talking to their relative or um all sorts of things there's actually quite a lot of evidence for all sorts of things that happen running up to death including seeing people um including uh changes of temperature it's not uncommon for watches to stop at the moment of death all sorts of things you know and i remember as a nurse all of that was very well known you know it was that there's a kind of law amongst nurses you just sort of know that you know there's a particular atmosphere for instance around death very often you often know when someone's going to die um and yeah she was really struck by that and i told her a story that and she because she's got this story where one thing again so it's that experience then she had this other experience of nursing somebody in icu and they they were trying to keep this guy alive and suddenly this man opened his eyes and looked at her and she said it was like he was saying leave me alone leave me alone i want to die let me go leave me know and stop it you know but really desperately please leave me alone you know don't do anything else i won't die you know i want to go and i was struck by that because i had an experience when i was a young trainee nurse um i um i was very um uh a bit not english i was very um yeah i wanted the best to be i i i went over the words um you know i really wanted to do my best as a nurse i remember a patient coming in who was dying and they said look he'll he'll be dead soon um and i said i want to go can i go and sit with him and i remember the nurse saying look we just haven't got enough staff to do that you can't do that but yeah with a trainee i think no that's one they do that's what you're supposed to do that's why we studied at our nursing school um i remember sitting with this guy i didn't know him i never met him before he he was unconscious when he was admitted and um i was just sitting with him for a while and suddenly he opened his eyes and looked at me and i had this experience of him opening eyes and suddenly realizing i'm about to die suddenly realizing i'm about to die and then he seemed to in that same moment realize that you hadn't lived yeah and then he burst into tears and i was like there it burst into tears and then died um and when i've tried to tell that story before people have said oh that's your judgment of it and i've not been able to get it communicated that it wasn't that i was that's not what i thought about it i seem to know that and she and penny had had this similar experience with this person who said leave me alone she said it was like they swapped places it was like suddenly she was in his mind and knew what he was thinking it's quite particular and in this example it was how i've never had quite an experience like that it was like i was inside his mind seeing his mind realizing i'm about to die because i haven't lived the absolute tragedy of that that it's now too late and now and then he died and it after all these times the only person i've been able to talk to about that because people tend to think that you're putting yourself on the experience and of course you can do that but i knew at the time and i still know that i wasn't doing that um interestingly my own teacher uh bounty saying gradually he thinks that communication has much more of an element of telepathy in it than we realize he thinks that communication often tips into that without you realizing it um he thinks that's pretty straightforward you know um so then we got talking about her study of people who had near-death experiences another thing i really like about penny is that she won't be sure she said when i went to the study i wanted to i wanted answers you know i went to this five-year study she funded it herself she was work as a nurse she's a young mother you know i wanted answers she said i actually came out at the end with more questions um i i i admire that i'd like she said that we need to ask better questions we need to look at the evidence better we need to study things more rather than here's what happens when she definitely wasn't saying here's what happens when you die um personally i find any kind of claim of certainty that that's like a foul you know um that means you're not in the conversation anymore because you just can't get certainty it's not possible especially in in matters like this but almost in every matter you can't possibly get certainty so the drive to certainty is a kind of madness um it should be sort of just rolled out of court immediately um unfortunately because we're human beings are so insecure you have a great need for certainty which is why religious extremism and political extremism are so popular because it gives you it makes you feel sort of safe in that certainty but there's no such thing as certainty um you can't find it it doesn't exist in this world and buddhism doesn't offer you certainty um but so i really like the fact that she wouldn't be certain she wouldn't know she just wanted to keep answering questions asking questions but when you study near-death experiences and since her people have done much larger especially in the u.s done much larger studies into near-death experiences and they often follow a common shape um there's nearly always a life review you either your life flashes before you or you go you you meet a person who shows you the book of your life there's very that's a very very common experience very very commonly you can see what's happening to you from above um that happens again and again so for instance one of the people that penny studied um said oh yeah i could see everything was happening i could see you were all in a panic it's interesting when i did this conversation i had an email from a friend of mine who just had a heart attack he said the same exactly the same happened to me he said i was in the ambulance suddenly i was above the ambulance looking down on my body in the ambulance and i could see that they were worrying and i felt great compassion for them i could see that the medics were suddenly panicking and trying to get me around and i just felt really compassionate to them and that's just a friend of mine who i know very well and he wouldn't make that up um anyway this this it's very common to have experiences where you see your body from up from above um and of course they then tried to do things like port things above where above and then ask somebody else they come back if they saw them and said well i wasn't particularly looking for some of the little yellow dots anyway you know i was kind of more experienced interested in the fact that i was dead slightly more compelling um but one patient said oh yes i i saw because because when when i was dead somebody opened the curtain this this person they said and they they were and they described them described a nurse that wasn't on duty when the patient was when this patient was conscious they'd never seen this patient before but described and said oh yes they came didn't they open the curtains and they said something and all that was just true um very difficult to explain that um so they often have experiences of seeing the body from above uh they often for instance know that they're dead then very very often they have very commonly across cultures cultures slightly different it seems to be that you experience things through the lens of your culture so for instance there's a there's some stories uh where uh in in japan or in china where people have experiences that exactly follow buddhist models um where you meet abu dhabi for instance the buddha of the west which is of this figure um but you you often then have there's often this sense of moving towards a light up some sort of tunnel is pretty common interestingly in the west that seems to be easy seems to be floating in the east it seems to be more arduous generally nobody quite knows why but pretty common thing very often when you're there you meet people usually relatives there's even been there was one study which somebody met their relatives in this other world often like a heaven kind of world and um there was a uncle there that the person met in that experience and had died whilst they were in a coma so they didn't know they were dead before they were before they met them very often they those people then said it's not it's not time there seems to always be this place where if you go any further you won't be able to go back there seems to be this um place where you can't go back um anymore one patient that penny talked about is um a person who had the same experience saw themselves above went up this tunnel towards the light the light is very bright but doesn't hurt your eyes you're sort of drawn up to it you've met these relatives and one of them was her mother saying what are you doing here you're not supposed to be here get back down there you know it's actually crossed with them saying you must go back and look after your children you can't be up here one of the most startling ones which again she was saying look there's just not enough study into this was uh one in which um a man and his wife and his wife was dying and their daughter they were holding the woman's hands uh her husband and her daughter i think that's right and um all of them well the the daughter and the the um the husband suddenly experienced themselves as going up a tunnel with their wife uh with with his wife getting to this place with all these people and her carrying on and them coming back and they had exact the daughter and the and the husband when they talked about this experience had exactly the same experience interestingly the sun was there as well was not touching the body and didn't have the experience um and again penny's just saying i don't know what to make of this but you can't explain it away yeah you can't explain it away gosh look at the time anyway um so i don't know what to make of this it's i'll be very interested to hear what even alexander has to say because you know he's a he was a neuroscientist who's had as i said the most profound near death experience i've ever heard of and and pretty much ever been written about uh which is pretty miraculous um but it can't be explained away because he's alive for one thing and he really shouldn't be um there's no reason to be um but i asked her at the end of this conversation so what you know what do you think you know we don't know i don't know you don't know and for me that's essential that space of not knowing um you know what do you think and she was saying i think the most likely explanation is that consciousness proceeds for you know the consciousness precedes form that consciousness precedes matter which is weirdly exactly what what isn't saying that the buddhism puts it mind precedes world and it's a very famous kind of buddhist tag the mind precedes world the consciousness precedes form yeah or she said that it feels to her that consciousness is a is present and the brains are like um a limiter valve which again is interestingly what even alexander then later said that he thought that the brain was like limiter valve that permits or not more or less consciousness and she was thinking perhaps at death is sort of that valve relaxes a lot uh and more consciousness comes in uh we were also talking to bernardo castro but he was using the example of lsd don't try this at home but um allison closes down your mind it doesn't open it up and but you have more consciousness from that yeah um and so it's a similar you know like people's experiences that their their their mind is actually closed and they're almost dead but actually their experience is they have more consciousness not less so when you start to loosen up this idea that consciousness is created by the brain which is our common sense idea and there are all sorts of problems in that and how hopefully talk about that more next week one of the problems that ian the gilchrist talks about which we also interviewed and on this retreat that albion and and yarn over will be on we'll be showing two new films within mcgilker suite he's a psychiatrist and neuroscientist and um actually we're literally don uh i i think one of the most important thinkers at the moment we'll be showing two new interviews with him that i did in january um but he he you know that he's saying that to to if you think that consciousness was created by matter you're basically saying that consciousness is a miracle because how can something utterly unlike matter be created by matter he was saying that it must be somehow his explanation would be that there is something in consciousness with matter which is conscious or light consciousness which can give rise to consciousness otherwise he was saying it's a bit like rhubarb giving rise to algebra how could something completely unlike rhubarb algebra come out of rhubarb you know how is that going to happen there must be something in matter which can give rise to consciousness so penny was saying i think that consciousness is here all the time and that brains kind of protect us from it that we couldn't live with too much of it and though some people at the moments of death that protection as it were or that limitation is opened um and that you experience consciousness in its fullest sense or a much fuller sense so i want to just finish with this large thought if i can i don't know what to make of these stories it's only fairly recent that i've explored near-death experiences and i don't want to be certain about them there could be other explanations uh bernardo castro for instance he thinks that it could be actually to do with the moment where consciousness tips turn back on again you can't because it's a timeless experience you can't necessarily tell so that's one of his questions about it i i don't know you can't know um but i always want to come back to what what what could be the case i think i think this idea that brain creates consciousness is very very problematic and actually more and more modern thinkers are are saying it's extremely problematic it creates the hard problem of how does something utterly unlike matter arise from matter ian mcgilru says you only you've only ever known matter through consciousness that you've never known anything called matter is a construct you've only ever known it through consciousness um we talk about matter as if we know it exists out there without a consciousness but we've only ever known matter through consciousness um buddhism as i said says that mind precedes world and it's got this teaching of rebirth and i want to try and finish with that which is and then we'll do another little message and go a bit over time but go a little meditation just to bring us back um i think um but yes i was saying yesterday that the the buddhism not yesterday last week the buddhist you can catch up on it on youtube but the buddhist picture of it is that you've one life is like a fire made out of all these logs and then just before it goes out um a spark jumps from that fire into another set of logs lights another fire yeah so you see buddhism says there is continuance but no thing continues that's a that's a sort of philosophic point of view there is continuance but no thing continues yeah so different firewood different fire but something can something that's problematic already to say something but there is continuance you could do it's going to be quite strict there's continuance but no thing continues um so that's it's not reincarnation which is saying that there's a thing now uh maitreya bandhu or a j or whoever um there's a thing now in ariane and that's going to be reborn as somebody else so that buddhism doesn't believe that sometimes people think it does but it doesn't um but there's continuance and no thing continues so talking to you on advantage about it perhaps it's like this perhaps who knows i don't know um that what i am what you are what we mean by mind is really a whole a whole um patterning of um forces drives instincts intuitions wills um much of it lying deep below consciousness um that's why this language of consciousness is problematic as well that we're a kind of um yeah we're we're a manifestation um we're a particular kind of creature in the world and that something of that goes continues and that you that jumped i haven't got time i'm not trying to go into this enough dude because there's much more to it than this but perhaps that basically what you're doing what you're what you're deeply doing are you for instance trying to be more aware and awake and alive and compassionate and loving and courageous and honest or are you really deeply or without even perhaps even knowing it trying to just get your way trying to manipulate things trying to have what you want and don't want what you have want that whatever you're really doing that kind of impetus that is that spark jumps across into a new set of conditions which is a new body in a new environment here and of course that new set of conditions and new environment conditions that spark and that cut but that spark also conditions that new environment for instance it might might underline mind how to explain why siblings could be so different um that there might there might be something that we don't know in that structure that we don't know about that perhaps from a previous life but what i wanted to end with is is this is this ancient tibetan idea which i've always rather dismissed frankly which is that you that you choose your parents yeah um that's for tradition uh ancient buddhist tibetan buddhist idea that you choose your parents uh that in fact um you sort of see them having sex and you jump between them weirdly it's all a bit freudian but you somehow what would freud make about um that you'd somehow choose your parents i've always thought it's not like the side of that but what that might be a metaphor for saying is that you are driven to continue in the way you've been continuing so if you've led a life which is very brutal and harsh you'll tend to con you'll be attracted to that world yeah just as we are now attracted to a world that suits us in a certain sort of way uh you'll be attracted to that world um and that perhaps and the buddhist tradition would say if you practice and if you develop your mind you're not so driven in that way you don't have to and if you're not so driven in that way in your life now and in your future lives to use that language in my own experience as i've grown to the degree i have grown it feels like there's more at play i do still very strongly feel my old habits and tendencies and patterns and some of them are very very deep indeed you know that experience where you feel like here i am again you know how come i've chosen this other girl or this other career and ended up exactly the same place where i got with the last girl the last girl and the last girl and the last career in the last group how come i keep doing that this you know that experience where you you feel like here i am again so i definitely experience that in myself i keep coming up to patternings which golly at the age of 61 you think i would have got further away from but also i experienced my life as having more at play that actually i'm not just governed by that anymore and in a in traditional buddhist thought that means that that can keep on developing until the point you can choose your rebirth you can actually jump into the best set of conditions for your rebirth i think that language of choice is a bit dubious but i think what it's getting at is that in life as in death there's been more at play there'll be more potentials you won't have to be just driven to repeat yourself like you are in this life and that perhaps lives are like a repetitive cycle for many of us where we won't learn our lessons but the idea of this tibetan idea is also about the life you've got is exactly the life you need to learn that what you're here for is to learn they did a study on people with near-death experiences and what did they learn from them and they said they learned two things that the meaning of life was to love other people and the meaning of life was to learn and a lot of people have had those experiences said that the whole point of being here is that your life is exactly suited to what you need to learn so let's just close our eyes for a moment and finish in that space rather than spinach too speculatively because woodland is not very keen on speculation because that can get you into all sorts of problems you

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